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== This is a mockup of a proposed idea ==

The Idea Lab proposal can be found [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Area_for_topic_banned_editors_to_talk_freely_about_their_ban,_e.g._to_ask_questions_of_experienced_wikipedians here].  One of many ways to bring it to fruition would be to make a noticeboard like this one.  Feel free to comment there and participate. [[User:Darkfrog24|Darkfrog24]] ([[User talk:Darkfrog24|talk]]) 02:47, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
:There is now a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Designated_space_for_editors_to_give_and_seek_advice_about_topic_bans_and_other_sanctions Request for Comment] under way concerning the creation of this page. [[User:Darkfrog24|Darkfrog24]] ([[User talk:Darkfrog24|talk]]) 01:10, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

== Sample question 1: Block party ==

I was sanctioned at AE and given an indefinite block, but it says at [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Discretionary_sanctions#Placing_sanctions_and_page_restrictions sanctions.user] that AE blocks can be only "up to one year in duration." Whaaaaaat?????? {{blue|BlockedFella}} (talk) 25:16, 31 February 2016 (UTC)
:While the official limit on AE blocks is one year, that just means that they automatically become normal indef. blocks after that.  That means that during the first twelve months you can be unblocked only 1) by the enforcing admin or 2) by an AE appeal or 3) by a successful ArbCom appeal.  Once it becomes a normal indef. block, you become eligible to try the regular unblock system (if not already unblocked by then). {{blue|AnswerChick}} 25:28, 31 February 2016 (UTC)
::It looks like you're really asking whether the blocking admin broke the rules or made a mistake.  Actually, the admins have been interpreting the length limit this way [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Discretionary_sanctions/Log/2007&oldid=643312570 for years].  No one made up a new rule just to mess with you. {{blue|InfoDude}} 25:31, 31 February 2016 (UTC)
:::Phew!  Now I don't have to annoy my enforcing admin by asking what he or she would surely see as a confrontational question, even though I don't mean it like that and really do need to know! {{blue|BlockedFella}} (talk) 25:58, 31 February 2016 (UTC)
::::And I don't have to ''be'' annoyed! ...I am so overworked... {{blue|TiredAdmin}} (talk) 25:59, 31 February 2016 (UTC)

== Sample question 2: GMgO or GMnO?==

User NoFrankenFood was topic-banned from GMOs last year, but he's been writing about the Seeds n' Stuff Inc. lawsuit the whole time!  Where's the best place to report NFF for violating this sanction?  {{blue|GroMO}} (talk) 24:16, 31 November 2016 (UTC)
:You're probably thinking of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement Arbitration Enforcement], but you should know that the standard-issue GMO topic ban did not cover the companies that make GMOs until this year.  The text "and the companies that produce [GMOs]" was only later added to the sanction [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Genetically_modified_organisms#Motion:_Genetically_modified_organisms_(Topic_Bans)].  NFF might not be violating the topic ban so long as the lawsuit isn't about GMOs. {{blue|InformaGal}} (talk) 24:75, 31 November 2016 (UTC)
::Hm.  No, it's not.  Well you saved me the trouble of filing a complaint that would have been thrown out with no action.{{blue|GroMO}} (talk) 25:16, 31 November 2016 (UTC)
:::And me the distraction and humiliation of an AE filing! {{blue|NoFrankenFood}} (talk) 27:02, 31 Janutember 2016 (UTC)
::::And me the effort of dealing with it! {{blue|TiredAdmin}} (talk) 00:92, 29 Febutober 2017 (UTC)

== Dummy section 4 ==

Testing.  02:47, 16 June 2016 (UTC)