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27 October 2021

  • curprev 00:5300:53, 27 October 2021Kuailong talk contribs 43,578 bytes −131 Created page with "这个问题也关系到基金会在俄文计划中的行动。过去一个月里,共有两次影响到俄文用户的行动,但我猜我们讨论的是最近的这一次,涉及到维基新闻。对此我需要更加谨慎,因为正如我在会议开始时所言,由于法律原因我们不讨论全域封禁。我能够出来讲更多有关中文维基的事情是因为它涉及到了很多人,所以我不必指控特定的个人做了特定的事情。我们..." undo

26 October 2021

  • curprev 17:0317:03, 26 October 2021Kuailong talk contribs 43,709 bytes −59 Created page with "针对保密协议方针的变动,是否有任何长期性的解决方案或提议以减轻安全威胁?" undo
  • curprev 16:1716:17, 26 October 2021Kuailong talk contribs 43,768 bytes −13 Created page with "但是,我认为有必要理解我们到底在讨论什么样的行动。我要说的是,基金会并无意把美国的法律价值观强加在维基媒体运动之上。我们作为一场运动,有些自己的一套价值观,它并不一定会和任何单一的司法管辖区的价值一致。在部分情形下,我们必须遵守美国法律,但在其他领域中,我认为我们的目标是达成使命和维基媒体运动的价值观,尽我们所能分..." undo
  • curprev 16:1016:10, 26 October 2021Kuailong talk contribs 43,781 bytes 0 No edit summary undo
  • curprev 16:0916:09, 26 October 2021Kuailong talk contribs 43,781 bytes −83 Created page with "基金会有义务遵守美国法律。所以某种程度上,在维基媒体运动中执行美国法律无可避免。无论我们在何处,我们都会让维基媒体运动遵守当地法律。" undo
  • curprev 16:0516:05, 26 October 2021Kuailong talk contribs 43,864 bytes −38 Created page with "在不知道我们讨论的具体是什么操作的情况下,我会尝试回答这个问题的核心,我理解的是:我们是否在维基媒体运动中执行美国法律?" undo
  • curprev 15:5915:59, 26 October 2021Kuailong talk contribs 43,902 bytes −207 Created page with "最近有一名记者问过我这个问题,在我们发现一些管理员的选举过程受到影响或者对他们使用权限工具的行为有疑问时,我们移除了他们的管理者权限,这种做法是否不民主。我想说的是,民主选举需要安全保障。人们投票之时不必担心会受到意见相左人士的报复。这一点上,维基运动这一整体都将艰难寻找开放透明之法——这是我们价值观的核心——同时..." undo
  • curprev 15:3615:36, 26 October 2021Kuailong talk contribs 44,109 bytes −120 Created page with "有些情形是社群成员可以解决的,有些情形则是在我们构建出一个更好、更安全的系统之后,希望社群成员可以解决的,但还有一些情形,无论以各种形式,交给社群成员解决都是不安全的。对于中文维基社群的问题,我们所见的证据表明,有些曾尝试通过社群解决此事的人面临报复,因为他们的介入而人身安全受到威胁,让人们不顾自我安危解决社群问题..." undo
  • curprev 15:0215:02, 26 October 2021Kuailong talk contribs 44,229 bytes 0 No edit summary undo
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  • curprev 14:4814:48, 26 October 2021Kuailong talk contribs 44,157 bytes +30 No edit summary undo
  • curprev 14:4214:42, 26 October 202131.22.108.229 talk 44,127 bytes +3 No edit summary undo
  • curprev 14:4114:41, 26 October 202131.22.108.229 talk 44,124 bytes −301 Created page with "关于为何是现在,而不是更早或更晚。有两个因素。第一,对这些担心的深入调查持续了一年。并且足够的证据已经收集完毕,团队可以提交给律师以查看何为正确的行动。收集材料、翻译,并确保我们最大程度理解它们,这个过程花费了可观的时间。当我们决定为了其他人的安全,行动必须发生时,我们必须执行。我认为,知晓有人处于危险中的我们每推..." undo
  • curprev 14:3914:39, 26 October 2021Kuailong talk contribs 44,425 bytes +75 No edit summary undo
  • curprev 14:3014:30, 26 October 202131.22.108.229 talk 44,350 bytes −184 Created page with "关于中文维基的事件,我们,还有社区中的一些成员毫无疑问听到对纷争的担心,好几年了。纷争在我们社区很正常,关于何为准确信息的争论更加艰难。人们互相发脾气并不罕见(有时人们以我不希望的方式讲话)。但是,当这些纷争跨越了威胁现实安全的线时,或者我们的社区准则被纷争淹没时,基金会就会认为有必要介入。" undo
  • curprev 14:2214:22, 26 October 202131.22.108.229 talk 44,534 bytes −3 No edit summary undo
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  • curprev 14:2014:20, 26 October 202131.22.108.229 talk 44,537 bytes −579 Replaced content with "带着对我们在此地的尊敬:" undo
  • curprev 14:1914:19, 26 October 202131.22.108.229 talk 45,116 bytes −331 Created page with "你们可能知道,信任和安全团队每天从全世界许多用户收到关于对其社区中纷争的担心。团队的行动是,当案件被报告时,如果其社区有完备的处理能力,将人们送回社区流程中。有时,案件会到达一个基金会认为有必要介入的高度,通常因为问题已经严重到违反使用条款,基金会需要行动。也可能因为让社区成员解决并不安全,或者因为情况复杂到社区没..." undo
  • curprev 14:1214:12, 26 October 202131.22.108.229 talk 45,447 bytes +516 Created page with "你们可能知道,信任和安全团队每天从全世界许多用户收到关于对其社区中纷争的担心。团队的行动是,当案件被报告时,如果其社区有完备的处理能力,将人们送回社区流程中。有时,案件会到达一个基金会认为有必要介入的高度,通常因为问题已经严重到违反使用条款,基金会需要行动。也可能因为让社区成员解决并不安全,或者因为情况复杂到社区没..." undo
  • curprev 14:0114:01, 26 October 202131.22.108.229 talk 44,931 bytes +3 No edit summary undo
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  • curprev 14:0014:00, 26 October 202131.22.108.229 talk 44,922 bytes −105 Created page with "我的理解是,信任和安全团队有在和中文维基社区直接交流。我不知道她们谈了多少,但是之前我听到的一个建议是用SecurePoll。" undo
  • curprev 13:5913:59, 26 October 202131.22.108.229 talk 45,027 bytes −65 Created page with "如果这份协定(和中国政府的)带有“附加条款”会如何?" undo
  • curprev 13:5513:55, 26 October 202131.22.108.229 talk 45,092 bytes −3 No edit summary undo
  • curprev 13:5513:55, 26 October 202131.22.108.229 talk 45,095 bytes −67 Created page with "您认为这些基金会行动对于其他社区是否会产生寒蝉效应,特别是本来就有内部纷争的?" undo
  • curprev 13:5513:55, 26 October 202131.22.108.229 talk 45,162 bytes −93 Created page with "您对改善中文维基百科上管理员和行政员投票有无建议?" undo
  • curprev 13:5313:53, 26 October 202131.22.108.229 talk 45,255 bytes −51 Created page with "这是不是在维基媒体运动中实施美国法律?比如一些人不能被赋权,因为维基媒体基金会受美国法律约束。" undo
  • curprev 13:5113:51, 26 October 202131.22.108.229 talk 45,306 bytes −78 Created page with "您认为IP遮蔽是否会有信任和安全影响?" undo
  • curprev 13:4913:49, 26 October 202131.22.108.229 talk 45,384 bytes −250 Created page with "您能否解释什么造成了此决定,包括导火索是什么,为什么是现在(不是更早或更晚),为什么社区不能自己处理?我们也想问问关于对俄语维基人的基金会行动的,同样的问题。" undo
  • curprev 13:4913:49, 26 October 2021FuzzyBot talk contribs 45,634 bytes +224 Updating to match new version of source page undo
  • curprev 13:4413:44, 26 October 202131.22.108.229 talk 45,410 bytes −60 Created page with "在用户页贴指向WMC的链接是否违反使用条款或其他规定?" undo
  • curprev 13:4213:42, 26 October 202131.22.108.229 talk 45,470 bytes −54 Created page with "[没有提问文字]" undo
  • curprev 13:4213:42, 26 October 202131.22.108.229 talk 45,524 bytes −72 Created page with "维基媒体基金会在一些人看来是一个实体,但对我不是。只因“身在此山中”。我的看法有所不同。" undo
  • curprev 13:4113:41, 26 October 2021FuzzyBot talk contribs 45,596 bytes +56 Updating to match new version of source page undo
  • curprev 13:4013:40, 26 October 202131.22.108.229 talk 45,540 bytes −54 Created page with "对于为什么社区不能自己解决这个问题:" undo
  • curprev 13:3813:38, 26 October 2021Minorax talk contribs 45,594 bytes −270 Created page with "我的答案可能与那些呼吁取得观察员身份的人士不同。维基媒体基金会的使命是支持社群打造线上资讯来源,将这些资讯分发给全世界。事先声明,(中国拒绝基金会加入世界知识产权组织)不是意外事故。我们来这,就是为了帮助大家。我认为跟世界知识产权组织观察员身份比起来,台湾维基媒体协会是更为优先的事务。" undo
  • curprev 13:3813:38, 26 October 2021Minorax talk contribs 45,864 bytes −1,584 No edit summary undo
  • curprev 13:3813:38, 26 October 2021Minorax talk contribs 47,448 bytes −194 Created page with "我同信任与安全团队沟通过此事,我的理解是,最近的方针变化之后,中文维基百科的用户查核员只要有资格签署保密协议便可以重新运作。这意味着我们必须有理由期望他们不会被轻易查出真身和被人利用。我没有从他那里了解到所有2018年被移除权限的查核员的信息,但我知道的一点是,三年已经过去,他们需要重新通过社群甄选流程,以确保社群仍对他..." undo
  • curprev 13:3813:38, 26 October 2021Minorax talk contribs 47,642 bytes −671 No edit summary undo
  • curprev 13:3713:37, 26 October 2021Minorax talk contribs 48,313 bytes −87 Created page with "不。这不是调查的重点。而且要这么做很难。重点是她们对维基媒体计划的其他用户的行为。" undo
  • curprev 13:3713:37, 26 October 2021Minorax talk contribs 48,400 bytes −169 No edit summary undo
  • curprev 13:3713:37, 26 October 2021Minorax talk contribs 48,569 bytes −285 Created page with "我们可以多团队协作。运动策略和治理团队有很强大的语言支持组。信任和安全团队也有相对足够强大的语言支持组。我们系统中有300多种语言,但远未到达所有语言。所以这看情况,取决于案件的复杂性。有时我们用专业翻译。有时我们找社群修复与持续发展团队之外的工作人员。我们有一份名单,列出了人们自愿使用哪种语言,有时我们可以从他们那里..." undo
  • curprev 13:3713:37, 26 October 2021Minorax talk contribs 48,854 bytes −655 No edit summary undo
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  • curprev 13:3413:34, 26 October 202131.22.108.229 talk 44,164 bytes −260 Created page with "这个问题我得看着律师声明回答。我的团队帮助探索变化后如何满足职能机关运作,但是并不指引政策执行。我的理解是,不断变化的法律法规和该信息被滥用后对用户的风险是两个要点。" undo
  • curprev 13:3413:34, 26 October 202131.22.108.229 talk 44,424 bytes −300 No edit summary undo
  • curprev 13:3413:34, 26 October 202131.22.108.229 talk 44,724 bytes −236 Created page with "我不清楚他们是否都被除权。我知道他们中的一部分被除权了,但是这个组织一度表明自己有数百名成员,我并没有去看成员名单。我可以说的是,基金会不反对任何用户,包括管理员,以他们认为有助益的方式组织起来,包括以通过WMC这样的实体。但我们不能接受不当行为,而对于那些被除权的管理员,有证据证明他们有系统性的不当行为。基金会当前没..." undo
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  • curprev 13:3313:33, 26 October 202131.22.108.229 talk 45,729 bytes −62 Created page with "我以我个人,以及一名基金会高层职员的身份发言,但是我无法代表整个基金会全体高层。除非当人们觉得自己自己竭尽所能做出贡献而选择离开,其他任何原因离开都是很糟糕的,这包括他们觉得受人排挤或他们觉得无法信任基金会。我真希望有更好的办法避免此类情况发生。" undo
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