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== CVNBOT1 for en.wikipedia ==
==Feedback==
Just a comment: there's no need to rename the #wikia-* channels since [[User:Angela|Angela]] is the contact for #wikia, not Essjay, and I am the contact for #wikia-antivandalism and #wikia-antivandalism-no. :)


Not sure the right forum for this, but I just noticed that CVNBOT1 on IRC [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=699060099&rcid=786916999 flagged an edit I made] as possible Copyvio? for placing a welcome template. Perhaps there is something that might need to be tweaked to avoid this. [[User:Tiggerjay|Tiggerjay]] ([[User talk:Tiggerjay|talk]]) 00:50, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
Otherwise, very good proposal, I agree with it for the most part. --[[User:Roosa|<b>Roosa</b>]] <sub>([[User talk:Roosa|<font color="hotpink">Talk</font>]]) </sub> 20:05, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
: There kinda is... All the CVN channels should be under the same name, that way we can file a GCF for all of them and get staff help like that. '''[[User:Cbrown1023|<span style="color:green">Cbrown1023</span>]]''' '''<small>[[User talk:Cbrown1023|<span style="color:#002bb8">talk</span>]]</small>''' 22:27, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


== Recommended tools for fighting vandalism ==
It's a nice proposal, small changes will obviously need to be made as time goes on. I think this sould be incorporated. <small> [[User:DTGardner|DTGardner]] 18:18, 3 September 2007 (UTC) </small>


Hi folks! I have a few questions. A few months ago, through a [https://techblog.wikimedia.org/2020/08/07/designing-technical-workshops-for-the-indic-community/ workshop series as part of the Small wiki toolkits initiative], we learned that one of the Indic community's challenges is a lack of knowledge of tools to fight vandalism on wikis. Indic community involves 25+ smaller language wikis. We are considering organizing a workshop in December for the community in which the focus would be on counter-vandalism tools and how to use them.
==Fa==
* As there are many ways to fight vandalism on wikis (tools, bots, extensions, etc.), could you share the recommended processes or tools that we should promote more?
I'd like to inform you about the exitance of a channel named #wikipedia-fa-rc, which is created to mimic the cvn channels of other wikis. It is not a very active channel, yet it is useful. Whether it should be considered in the cvn series os not is, perhaps, beyond my knowledge. Anyways, I'm the contact person of that channel and will be glad to help in any ways, if needed. [[User:Huji|Huji]] 19:03, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
* Would a member of this group be interested in running a hands-on workshop around this topic for contributors from the Indic community sometime in December? If not, who else would you recommend I should reach out to? I would much appreciate your thoughts! Thanks! [[User:SSethi (WMF)|SSethi (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SSethi (WMF)|talk]]) 04:36, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


::{{ping|SSethi (WMF)}} Well there are many ways to track and fight vandalism such as dedicated [[Countervandalism Network/Bots|IRC Channels]], Global Abuse Filters and toolforge based tools such as [[SWViewer]].
: Your channel is welcome into the network. If you don't mind, it will be renamed to [irc://freenode/cvn-wp-fa #cvn-wp-fa] to match our namespace. One benefit is that the network staff will standardize the technical settings, ensure that you always have an active bot, help maintain order, help with any problems or questions, et cetera. —<small>{[[Meta:Admins|admin]]} [[User talk:Pathoschild/s|Pathoschild]] 19:09:44, 03 September 2007 (UTC)</small>
::I have been patrolling small wikis using all of them for some time.
:: Thank you. Please let me know if there is something I should do. [[User:Huji|Huji]] 23:24, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
::On IRC one can join a dedicated channel such as {{IRC|cvn-sw}} for small wikis and bot will streamline the recent edits from small wikis with some indicators (mostly color changes) to differentiate between edits.
::Global abuse filters are tricky to understand but they help alot in tracking spambots with certain patterns.
::SWViewer is a Toolforge based tool which also streamline recent changes from small wikis, the difference is that unlike IRC one can revert, edit or tag the bad edit within the tool.
:: These methods are not that difficult to understand but if you need any help I am more than happy to do so. &#8208;&#8208;[[User:1997kB|1997kB]]&nbsp;([[User_talk:1997kB|talk]]) 04:06, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
::: {{ping|1997kB}} Thank you so much for sharing this advice! We were planning a workshop on this topic, so I asked this question here. I might follow up with you for further help on this topic when it comes up:) [[User:SSethi (WMF)|SSethi (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SSethi (WMF)|talk]]) 08:24, 16 December 2020 (UTC)


== User page links ==
== CVNBot added me to greylist ==


When I create [[wikt:vi:Template:No ping]], CVNBot flagged me as something and when i check my user profile: <code><nowiki>On greylist added by CVNBot (expiry): Create on [[wikt:vi:Template:No ping]] matched...</nowiki></code> something that i couldn't read. Please tell me reason. [[User:Vanhdeeptryy|<span style="color: #f211c5 ;font:18px Constantia;">''Vanh''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Vanhdeeptryy|contact me]] - [[:vi:Thảo luận Thành viên:Vanhdeeptryy|talk on viwiki]]</sup> 13:57, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
Someone ought to go through each of the user page links, and link them up to the relevant project - e.g. Wikia ops should link to their Wikia pages. Staff should link to Meta, or maybe the CVN wiki if that's more appropriate. If you can't work out who a certain user is, you could ask them, and if they don't even have an account on the wiki, you could wonder why they have ops in a channel for a wiki they don't even edit ;) '''[[User:Majorly|<span style="color:#002bb8">Majorly</span>]]''' (''[[User talk:Majorly|talk]]'') 20:31, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


== Can we have an AIV feed a bot posts on IRC? ==
== Moving #vandalism-fr-wp to #cvn-wp-fr ==


I used to have one but then the toolserver changed and somehow an account isn't easy to come by, now... ~[[User:Lofty abyss|<span style="color: #800080; font-family: courier new;">Lofty</span>]] [[User talk:Lofty abyss|<span style="color: #000000; font-family: courier new;">abyss</span>]] 07:20, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
Hello. The main countervandalism IRC channel for the French-language Wikipedia is located at irc://irc.freenode.net/vandalism-fr-wp. I'd suggest we move it to irc://irc.freenode.net/cvn-wp-fr to follow the CVN standardization. Nothing else would change. Thoughts? [[user:guillom|guillom]] 11:18, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
:As long as nothing else changes, no problem. However, #vandalism-fr-wp has its own set of (rather permissive) access rights, which may conflict with cvn policy. --[[User:Gribeco|Gribeco]] 13:59, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
::On a second thought, you're right. I am not confident at all with subjugating this channel to this group. [[user:guillom|guillom]] 14:22, 20 September 2008 (UTC)


Anyone...? ~[[User:Lofty abyss|<span style="color: #800080; font-family: courier new;">Lofty</span>]] [[User talk:Lofty abyss|<span style="color: #000000; font-family: courier new;">abyss</span>]] 13:33, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
== Can you add this word to the #cvn-wikia WikiaRC Autoflag Notice ==


== Informing this project about new wikis ==
I know it auto flags the regular version of the N-Word but it does not auto flag the 5 letter variant of the N-Word. So this needs to be fixed. I am displaying the notice at the wrong spot please help me or you guys can talk to the right people in getting this fixed. The WikiaRC bot will flag certain words as "Used Edit Summary:<flagged word here>".


Each time a Wikimedia wiki is created, the initial setup work on it is supposed to be finalized using a "post-creation work" task on the Phabricator. For example, here's the one for kcgwiki, which was created back in May of last year (the wiki, not the task): [[phab:T305281]]. There are several such tasks that have remained open for months after the corresponding wikis were created because the "Inform the CVN project for IRC monitoring" item in the checklist has not been marked as completed.
Here is a page replace notice I got from my feed on #wikifur-edits on Freenode:


So, what are y'all supposed to be getting "informed" about, exactly, and how? Is it sufficient to just post something here saying that a certain wiki has been created, or is there more to it? If it's the former (or even if not), then here's a list of the recently created wikis for which the "Inform CVN…" item has not been marked as completed in the corresponding Phabricator task (these are also listed at [[phab:T327996]]):
[15:17] <Saw5AV> IP [[User:86.165.196.121]] page replace [[Yiff]] with "NIGGA PLEASE" (-4560) Diff: [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Yiff&diff=224962&oldid=220097&rcid=234014 http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Yiff&diff=224962&oldid=220097&rcid=234014]
* kcgwiki ([[:kcg:|wiki]], [[phab:T305281|task]])
* blkwiki ([[:blk:|wiki]], [[phab:T310873|task]])
* bjnwiktionary ([[wikt:bjn:|wiki]], [[phab:T312215|task]])
* igwikiquote ([[q:ig:|wiki]], [[phab:T314640|task]])
* igwiktionary ([[wikt:ig:|wiki]], [[phab:T314646|task]])
* bclwikiquote ([[q:bcl:|wiki]], [[phab:T316457|task]])
* tlwikiquote ([[q:tl:|wiki]], [[phab:T317113|task]])
* bnwikiquote ([[q:bn:|wiki]], [[phab:T319191|task]])
* shnwikibooks ([[b:shn:|wiki]], [[phab:T321283|task]])
* guwwikiquote ([[q:guw:|wiki]], [[phab:T321289|task]])
* aswikiquote ([[q:as:|wiki]], [[phab:T321295|task]])
* gorwiktionary ([[wikt:gor:|wiki]], [[phab:T326139|task]])


How should this notification be handled in the future, so the post-creation work can be completed as quickly as possible?
I hope this gets fixed as its very like when they are using that word in the edit summary that its likely vandalism. [[User:Sawblade5|Sawblade5]] 21:43, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
- [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] ([[User talk:Dcljr|talk]]) 12:20, 29 January 2023 (UTC)


:Hello @[[User:dcljr|dcljr]]: I proposed to @[[User:Ladsgroup|Ladsgroup]] adding that checkbox on the post-creation tasks that his bot creates for the wiki-setup process. Adding the wiki to the CVN bots is not a blocker for the wiki creation, and posting a note here should be enough for the notification to be considered performed. I or any other user with access can later add those wikis to the bot config so they can be patrolled by the [[SWMT]]. I'll see if I can add those today. Best regards, &mdash;[[User:MarcoAurelio|MarcoAurelio]] ([[User talk:MarcoAurelio|talk]]) 14:16, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:Charitwo|Charitwo]] 22:09, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
::It has not delayed wiki creation, only the closure of the "post-creation work" tasks. Will you be closing those tasks? - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] ([[User talk:Dcljr|talk]]) 00:39, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Dcljr|Dcljr]]: I can do that. I couldn't add those wikis to the bots yesterday because of a permissions issue. I'll close the tasks as soon as I get them added. Thanks again. &mdash;[[User:MarcoAurelio|MarcoAurelio]] ([[User talk:MarcoAurelio|talk]]) 10:49, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
::::Wikis loaded to the CVNBots and tasks closed accordingly. &mdash;[[User:MarcoAurelio|MarcoAurelio]] ([[User talk:MarcoAurelio|talk]]) 00:23, 2 February 2023 (UTC)


== Requesting voice for cloak @wikimedia/Tulsi ==
:: Also please add "Nazi" as a possible flag. Edit Log:


Hello there, I made a request on February 15 at CVN channel requesting voice for #cvn-sw, #cvn-meta, #cvn-mediawiki, #cvn-commons & #cvn-simplewikis. Could someone from staff please process my request? See [[Special:Diff/24561014#Account confirmation|account confirmation]]. Many thanks, [[User:Tulsi|<span style="color:#000000; font-weight:bold;">Tulsi</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Tulsi|<span style="color:#FF0000; font-weight:bold;">24x7</span>]] 10:33, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
[21:02] <Saw5AV> IP [[User:24.255.152.14]] page replace [[Chakat]] with "If you re-edit this you are a nazi" (-3414) Diff: [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Chakat&diff=225020&oldid=225018&rcid=234073 http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Chakat&diff=225020&oldid=225018&rcid=234073]
:{{done}} Sorry for the delay <b>[[User:Operator873|<span style="color: blue">Operator873 </span>]]<sup>''[[:m:User:Operator873/Connect|<span style="color:#029b00">connect</span>]]''</sup></b> 03:34, 22 March 2023 (UTC)


== Introducing Edit Patrol: Assisting Rollbackers on the Wikipedia Android App ==
OK, [[User:Sawblade5|Sawblade5]] 06:38, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
:You should request voice so you can do this yourself. Alternatively, please ask someone who ''is'' voiced in IRC. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;<b style="color:#309;">[[User:Mike.lifeguard|Mike]].[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|lifeguard]]</b>&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[:b:en:User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">@en.wb</span>]]</sup> 18:23, 26 November 2008 (UTC)


The Mobile Apps team has recently released a new feature in the Android app to assist rollbackers in patrolling from their mobile device without leaving the Android app. Edit Patrol is a suggested edit that allows users with rollback rights to view the recent changes feed, with access to undo, rollback, thank, and post talk page messages.
== Status report ==


The feature is currently available on Indonesian, French, and Spanish Wikipedia. We hope to make it available to English Wikipedia rollbackers in the coming month.
Do we really need this section on changes which were made in 2007 and have long since been completed? &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;<b style="color:#309;">[[User:Mike.lifeguard|Mike]].[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|lifeguard]]</b>&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[:b:en:User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">@en.wb</span>]]</sup> 03:51, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

:Probably some of the info just under the Channel settings standardization section can be removed too. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;<b style="color:#309;">[[User:Mike.lifeguard|Mike]].[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|lifeguard]]</b>&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>[[:b:en:User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">@en.wb</span>]]</sup> 03:52, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
You can learn more about the feature and its development on our [[mw:Wikimedia_Apps/Team/Android/Anti_Vandalism|project page]]. Edit Patrol does not intend to replace existing patrolling tools, rather fill some gaps that have been highlighted in the mobile space. Prior to writing a single line of code, the team conducted interviews with patrollers and conducted a comparative review of existing patrolling tools. Throughout development, we have continued to incorporate feedback from members of the community. We prioritized collaboration with communities that have traditionally had difficulty utilizing existing tools, specifically folks using mobile devices.

After initial release, we heard requests to add access to user talk warning templates in the talk page message flow. Users are now able to search and use user talk warning templates as part of the tool. For languages that do not have user warning templates, the team reviewed messages across languages & created 10 example messages that will be preloaded into the app: you can learn more about those messages and leave feedback [[mw:Wikimedia_Apps/Team/Android/Anti_Vandalism/Saved_Messages|here]].

The feature currently allows users to view the feed of recent edits for only one language wiki at a time (the primary language set in their app), but we are interested to hear if there is a preference from multi-wiki rollbackers to have the ability of patrolling multiple languages in a single feed.

Please check out [[c:File:Edit_Patrol_Presentation_&_Demo.pdf|this presentation]] with more information, and a [[c:File:Edit_Patrol_V2_Demo.webm|demonstration]] of the feature to learn more. If you have any questions or feedback, we welcome it on the project’s [https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Wikimedia_Apps/Team/Android/Anti_Vandalism/Saved_Messages&action=edit&redlink=1 discussion page], or please attend our open '''demonstration hours for this feature on [https://meet.google.com/ctv-ifkc-btn?authuser=0 Google Meet] on the 26th of April 2024 at 18 UTC (You can determine the right time in your time zone [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1714154400 using a time zone converter tool]).'''

Looking forward to see you all.

--[[User:ARamadan-WMF|ARamadan-WMF]] ([[User talk:ARamadan-WMF|talk]]) 13:19, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

:Happening in 10 minutes, join us :)
:--[[User:ARamadan-WMF|ARamadan-WMF]] ([[User talk:ARamadan-WMF|talk]]) 17:53, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

== DroneBL ==

When trying to login to CVN I get this message, "You are banned from this server- Your host is listed on DroneBL" What can i do about this? [[User:CCWikiMan|CCWikiMan]] ([[User talk:CCWikiMan|talk]]) 14:46, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Revision as of 17:53, 26 April 2024

CVNBOT1 for en.wikipedia

Not sure the right forum for this, but I just noticed that CVNBOT1 on IRC flagged an edit I made as possible Copyvio? for placing a welcome template. Perhaps there is something that might need to be tweaked to avoid this. Tiggerjay (talk) 00:50, 10 January 2016 (UTC)Reply

Recommended tools for fighting vandalism

Hi folks! I have a few questions. A few months ago, through a workshop series as part of the Small wiki toolkits initiative, we learned that one of the Indic community's challenges is a lack of knowledge of tools to fight vandalism on wikis. Indic community involves 25+ smaller language wikis. We are considering organizing a workshop in December for the community in which the focus would be on counter-vandalism tools and how to use them.

  • As there are many ways to fight vandalism on wikis (tools, bots, extensions, etc.), could you share the recommended processes or tools that we should promote more?
  • Would a member of this group be interested in running a hands-on workshop around this topic for contributors from the Indic community sometime in December? If not, who else would you recommend I should reach out to? I would much appreciate your thoughts! Thanks! SSethi (WMF) (talk) 04:36, 6 October 2020 (UTC)Reply
@SSethi (WMF): Well there are many ways to track and fight vandalism such as dedicated IRC Channels, Global Abuse Filters and toolforge based tools such as SWViewer.
I have been patrolling small wikis using all of them for some time.
On IRC one can join a dedicated channel such as #cvn-swconnect for small wikis and bot will streamline the recent edits from small wikis with some indicators (mostly color changes) to differentiate between edits.
Global abuse filters are tricky to understand but they help alot in tracking spambots with certain patterns.
SWViewer is a Toolforge based tool which also streamline recent changes from small wikis, the difference is that unlike IRC one can revert, edit or tag the bad edit within the tool.
These methods are not that difficult to understand but if you need any help I am more than happy to do so. ‐‐1997kB (talk) 04:06, 13 December 2020 (UTC)Reply
@1997kB: Thank you so much for sharing this advice! We were planning a workshop on this topic, so I asked this question here. I might follow up with you for further help on this topic when it comes up:) SSethi (WMF) (talk) 08:24, 16 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

CVNBot added me to greylist

When I create wikt:vi:Template:No ping, CVNBot flagged me as something and when i check my user profile: On greylist added by CVNBot (expiry): Create on [[wikt:vi:Template:No ping]] matched... something that i couldn't read. Please tell me reason. Vanhcontact me - talk on viwiki 13:57, 12 November 2022 (UTC)Reply

Can we have an AIV feed a bot posts on IRC?

I used to have one but then the toolserver changed and somehow an account isn't easy to come by, now... ~Lofty abyss 07:20, 29 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

Anyone...? ~Lofty abyss 13:33, 30 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Informing this project about new wikis

Each time a Wikimedia wiki is created, the initial setup work on it is supposed to be finalized using a "post-creation work" task on the Phabricator. For example, here's the one for kcgwiki, which was created back in May of last year (the wiki, not the task): phab:T305281. There are several such tasks that have remained open for months after the corresponding wikis were created because the "Inform the CVN project for IRC monitoring" item in the checklist has not been marked as completed.

So, what are y'all supposed to be getting "informed" about, exactly, and how? Is it sufficient to just post something here saying that a certain wiki has been created, or is there more to it? If it's the former (or even if not), then here's a list of the recently created wikis for which the "Inform CVN…" item has not been marked as completed in the corresponding Phabricator task (these are also listed at phab:T327996):

How should this notification be handled in the future, so the post-creation work can be completed as quickly as possible? - dcljr (talk) 12:20, 29 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

Hello @dcljr: I proposed to @Ladsgroup adding that checkbox on the post-creation tasks that his bot creates for the wiki-setup process. Adding the wiki to the CVN bots is not a blocker for the wiki creation, and posting a note here should be enough for the notification to be considered performed. I or any other user with access can later add those wikis to the bot config so they can be patrolled by the SWMT. I'll see if I can add those today. Best regards, —MarcoAurelio (talk) 14:16, 29 January 2023 (UTC)Reply
It has not delayed wiki creation, only the closure of the "post-creation work" tasks. Will you be closing those tasks? - dcljr (talk) 00:39, 30 January 2023 (UTC)Reply
@Dcljr: I can do that. I couldn't add those wikis to the bots yesterday because of a permissions issue. I'll close the tasks as soon as I get them added. Thanks again. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 10:49, 30 January 2023 (UTC)Reply
Wikis loaded to the CVNBots and tasks closed accordingly. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 00:23, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

Requesting voice for cloak @wikimedia/Tulsi

Hello there, I made a request on February 15 at CVN channel requesting voice for #cvn-sw, #cvn-meta, #cvn-mediawiki, #cvn-commons & #cvn-simplewikis. Could someone from staff please process my request? See account confirmation. Many thanks, Tulsi 24x7 10:33, 7 March 2023 (UTC)Reply

Done Sorry for the delay Operator873 connect 03:34, 22 March 2023 (UTC)Reply

Introducing Edit Patrol: Assisting Rollbackers on the Wikipedia Android App

The Mobile Apps team has recently released a new feature in the Android app to assist rollbackers in patrolling from their mobile device without leaving the Android app. Edit Patrol is a suggested edit that allows users with rollback rights to view the recent changes feed, with access to undo, rollback, thank, and post talk page messages.

The feature is currently available on Indonesian, French, and Spanish Wikipedia. We hope to make it available to English Wikipedia rollbackers in the coming month.

You can learn more about the feature and its development on our project page. Edit Patrol does not intend to replace existing patrolling tools, rather fill some gaps that have been highlighted in the mobile space. Prior to writing a single line of code, the team conducted interviews with patrollers and conducted a comparative review of existing patrolling tools. Throughout development, we have continued to incorporate feedback from members of the community. We prioritized collaboration with communities that have traditionally had difficulty utilizing existing tools, specifically folks using mobile devices.

After initial release, we heard requests to add access to user talk warning templates in the talk page message flow. Users are now able to search and use user talk warning templates as part of the tool. For languages that do not have user warning templates, the team reviewed messages across languages & created 10 example messages that will be preloaded into the app: you can learn more about those messages and leave feedback here.

The feature currently allows users to view the feed of recent edits for only one language wiki at a time (the primary language set in their app), but we are interested to hear if there is a preference from multi-wiki rollbackers to have the ability of patrolling multiple languages in a single feed.

Please check out this presentation with more information, and a demonstration of the feature to learn more. If you have any questions or feedback, we welcome it on the project’s discussion page, or please attend our open demonstration hours for this feature on Google Meet on the 26th of April 2024 at 18 UTC (You can determine the right time in your time zone using a time zone converter tool).

Looking forward to see you all.

--ARamadan-WMF (talk) 13:19, 3 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Happening in 10 minutes, join us :)
--ARamadan-WMF (talk) 17:53, 26 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

DroneBL

When trying to login to CVN I get this message, "You are banned from this server- Your host is listed on DroneBL" What can i do about this? CCWikiMan (talk) 14:46, 22 April 2024 (UTC)Reply