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Hi, we did add a proposition for a new project. We would be glad to have your feedbacks. |
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== Strange Look since upgrade to Debian lenny == |
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Here it is : https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikiwebsites |
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It's about a "Library of free projects" (excluding software). Art, science, architecture, comics, movies, pictures,... which can be found under Creative commons licences, but also Open hardware, GFDL, public domain, Art Libre, FOIA… |
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Hi there, |
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[[User:Graineahumus|Graineahumus]] ([[User talk:Graineahumus|talk]]) |
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== Wikimedia role in protecting engagement of racism topics. == |
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i'm running a wiki for diving spots on http://wiki.seemannsreise.de/ , but since the upgrade to debian lenny the whole page is displayed in a very strange way. |
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I've tried to use a different mediawiki installation, but it seams to be an issue with the database. |
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Can you might give me a hint? <br> |
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Thanks a lot !! |
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Richard [[Special:Contributions/88.70.191.142|88.70.191.142]] 16:49, 29 March 2009 (UTC) |
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I am concerned that wikimedia does not so far protect marginalized voices from getting bans in the admin process. It would seem talking about racism is insulting to admins. This would cause a chilling effect on the topic itself. I am not sure how productive this is and Wikimedia has a role to play since most admins are entrenched and will protect each other from the topic if it focuses on discrimination in the admin processes. [[User:Deathmolor|Deathmolor]] ([[User talk:Deathmolor|talk]]) 15:33, 2 May 2024 (UTC) |
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== please help!!!!!!!!!! == |
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:Why ? —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 14:25, 8 May 2024 (UTC) |
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Hi! |
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when i go to a particular page for information i dont see an option to discuss or talk. moreover, i am a lot confused with a lot of information here and there. I was not able to reach Wikipedia Help..I had a query and did not find a place to write to you. I dont know if i am writing to you from the correct space. My topmost doubt is what are these "external links". How do they appear on the information's pages? for example..... if i browse info on paper, there are external links directing to private organisations. how do the external links happen to appear in that page of "paper"? I have a website that caters to industries and corporate organizations about information regarding manufacturers and suppliers of various products. external links such as TAPPI, internationalpaper.com & ecopaper.com are few of the links visible in the "external links" section under the article "paper". |
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== Banner policies and NPOV == |
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if i want to exhibit an external link of my website where people around can get more information related to the topic what I need to do? after lookin at the external links I am confused about the Wikipedia policies. Please take this matter into keen consideration and reply to "augustgrace" so that I can avoid breach of policies here unknowingly |
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Thak You, |
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Augustgrace. |
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Hi. I'm curious about whether Wikimedia projects are expected to follow NPOV with their banners and website activities. |
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== A Case Study - The meatpuppeting attack on LMO wikipedia - Origin (source) of the meatpuppets == |
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I visited Arabic WP (got tagged about an Arabic version of an article I wrote). The Arabic WP has [[:ar:ويكيبيديا:أوقفوا_الحرب_وانشروا_السلام|a banner that supports the Gaza/Hamas side]] of the current war with Israel. The Arabic WP also closed down for a day in opposition to the war. Did the Hebrew Wikipedia do something similar for the Israeli side? |
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About one year ago, in the days 2-4-5-6 december 2007, a lot of people accessed for the first time the LMO wiki, immediately or after few minutes voted 5 new administrators [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Aministraduur/Archivi_Candidaa] and then disappeared. What was the origin of the voters? |
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Was there discussion on Wikimedia about using Wikipedia to support a political side? What Wikimedia policies pertain to such banners or website activities? |
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It's about a couple of month that I'm analyzing that meatpuppeting attack case. I know that the word "meatpuppet" should be used with great care ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:MEAT#Meatpuppets]), so the word "meatpuppet" will be used according the main definition given in the page ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sockpuppet_(Internet)#Meatpuppet]): |
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Thanks in advance! [[User:ProfGray|ProfGray]] ([[User talk:ProfGray|talk]]) 13:54, 5 May 2024 (UTC) |
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: {{re|ProfGray}} Relevant discussion: [[Requests for comment/Community consensus for blackouts and other advocacy]] and [[Requests for comment/Violating the Neutral point of view in Arabic Wiki]]. [[User:SCP-2000|<span style="color: #383838;">'''SCP'''</span>]][[User talk:SCP-2000|<span style="color: #242424;">'''-20'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/SCP-2000|<span style="color: #080808;">'''00'''</span>]] 14:22, 5 May 2024 (UTC) |
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Editors of the online encyclopedia Wikipedia use "meat puppet" to deprecate contributions from a new community member if the new member was (allegedly) recruited by an existing member only to back up the recruiting member's position. |
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::Thanks for sharing those discussions. Leaving aside the 24 hour website closure, I'm still curious whether NPOV applies to Wikimedia project banners. Seems maybe not, though that strikes me as a problem for the look and feel of WP as a neutral source of knowledge. [[User:ProfGray|ProfGray]] ([[User talk:ProfGray|talk]]) 15:41, 5 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:::@[[User:ProfGray|ProfGray]] NPOV is a Wikipedia content policy, originating in the [[:en:Wikipedia:Five_pillars|5 pillars]]. Outside of content it doesn't have too much influence. Communities are allowed to have opinions, voice those opinions and, if the situation has direct impact on their work, or ability to work on the project, advocate for those opinions when their community so decides and within legal boundaries and the Terms of Service. At the same time, they are to weigh this against the point that Wikipedia is not to be used as a soapbox and attention beacon. —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 14:21, 8 May 2024 (UTC) |
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== Wikipedia Maps has no railroads == |
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I also know that personal attacks must be avoided ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_personal_attacks]). In this analysis there is some nickname, but only because those nicknames were involved in the meatpuppeting attack, as demonstrated by the logs. |
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i found no better place to address this: maps.wikipedia.org only shows a map with no meta page about it. The only link on it is to the terms of use which are on foundation and protected from comments from the lesser public 8but would not really be the right place for this anyway). So I do not find any explanation about the rationale and choices made in providing the maps service, and no discussion place for it. |
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=== Analysis of the Fabexplosive's election === |
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When encountering a Wikipedia Maps snippet on a Wikipedia page (example: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Untere%C3%9Ffeld ), and using the "fullscreen" switch to show the map in full, I notice that the map only shows streets and water but not railroads. I am convinced that streets and railroads are both equally important modes of transport and I am perturbed by the omission of one of them altogether. [[Special:Contributions/2A02:810D:243F:F32C:6DAA:F584:7F5A:8C3|2A02:810D:243F:F32C:6DAA:F584:7F5A:8C3]] 13:54, 12 May 2024 (UTC) |
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As an example, here will be analyzed the election of one of the five admins "elected" during the meatpuppeting attack. His name is Fabexplosive: he was not elected by the LMO community, but by meatpuppets (as definition) come from away. |
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:Unfortunately the maps service doesn't get a lot of support from WMF, so changes to it are pretty rare. Additionally, the maps support thousands of features and it cannot be a satisfactory map to all users at once, as people have different needs (Most people would not want to see all busstops and trash points, but some do). You can file a ticket in [[phab:]] for the feature request and I would encourage you to do so, but it is unlikely to be fixed in the short term. —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 09:32, 13 May 2024 (UTC) |
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The summary of the Fabexplosive's election to admin is as follow: |
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* he has been candidate to admin '''after only 3 edits''' [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciale:Contributi&dir=prev&target=Fabexplosive] ; |
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* on 2/4/5 dec 2007 the meatpuppets (as definition) voted him; |
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* on 9 dec 2007 he had the admin rights, after about only 20 edits. |
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== [[Brand]] == |
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But let we analyze the votes of 17 people on the total of 19 (89% of the votes): |
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Could someone administrator move the following pages to capitalize their title as the others pages of the series : |
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# Dracoroboter - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciale:Contributi&dir=prev&target=DracoRoboter] - his vote is his 15th edit; |
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* [[Brand/logo]] → [[Brand/Logo]] |
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# Xaura - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Xaura] - first edit on 20:01, 2 dec 2007, '''voted after 1 minute'''; |
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* [[Brand/colours]] → [[Brand/Colours]] |
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# Ilario - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Ilario] - first edit on 20:01, 2 dec 2007, '''voted after 1 minute''' and then disappeared; |
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Thank you ! [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 17:11, 14 May 2024 (UTC) |
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# Marcok - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Marcok] - first edit on 20:06, 2 dec 2007, '''voted after 4 minutes''' and then disappeared; |
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: This requires a sysadmin to do. You are welcome to [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/edit/form/115/ file a Phabricator task] requesting it be done. Personally, while my opinion carries no technical weight, I would talk to the Wikimedia Foundation brand team first before moving their cheese like this. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun</sub>]] 04:43, 1 June 2024 (UTC) |
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# Paginazero - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Paginazero] - his vote is his 4th edit and then disappeared |
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# Veneziano - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Veneziano] - first edit on 20:53, 2 dec 2007, '''voted after 23 minutes''' and then disappeared; |
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# Tanarus - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciale:Contributi&dir=prev&target=Tanarus] - his vote is his 3rd edit; |
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# Balabiot - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciale:Contributi&dir=prev&target=Balabiot] - first edit on 10:06, 4 dec 2007, '''voted after 5 minutes'''; |
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# bramfab(=Barbapedana) - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciale:Contributi&dir=prev&target=Barbapedana] - first edit on 08:48, 3 dec 2007, '''voted after 1 day and 8 edits'''; |
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# .snoopy. - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/.snoopy.] - his vote is his 5th edit; |
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# Nemo - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciale:Contributi&dir=prev&target=Nemo+bis] - first edit on 17:14, 4 dec 2007, '''voted after 38 minutes'''; |
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# Olando - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Olando] - first edit on 13:40, 5 dec 2007, '''voted immediately (WORLD RECORD)''' and then disappeared; |
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# Civvi - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Civvi] - first edit on 10:58, 5 dec 2007, '''voted after some our''' and then disappeared; |
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# Lusum - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Lusum] - first edit on 20:34, 5 dec 2007, '''voted after 1 minute''' and then disappeared; |
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# Ripe - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Ripe] - first edit on 20:31, 5 dec 2007, '''voted after 1 minute''' and then disappeared; |
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# Loroli - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Loroli] - first edit on 20:32, 6 dec 2007, '''voted after 2 minutes''' and then disappeared; |
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# giacumìn - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciale:Contributi&dir=prev&target=Giac83] - first edit on 15:25, 3 dec 2007, '''voted after 6 days and 19 edits'''. |
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== When will Termbase be revived? == |
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According to the cited definition, the voters of Fabexplosive (and of the other 4 admins) '''should be considered meatpuppets'''. |
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{{anchor|When will Termbase be revived}} |
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{{tracked|T366825}} |
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'''[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Strategy_and_Governance/Termbase/Table Termbase]''' used to be a great resource for anybody trying to bridge language gap on Metawiki. Why do we abondon such common tool? Are we sure we are equipped to share knowledge, if we imply a single word in different ideas? Have we not invented many jargons/Wikimedia specific terms which traps you to miscommunicate (?_?) -- [[User:Omotecho|Omotecho]] ([[User talk:Omotecho|talk]]) 13:46, 20 May 2024 (UTC) |
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: Termbase was not explicitly abandoned. The entire [[Movement Strategy and Governance]] page and all its subpages were marked as historical in one fell swoop. I think it would be reasonable to resurrect it and implement {{u|Xeno (WMF)}}'s original proposal from [[phab:T314007]] to move it out of limbo. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun</sub>]] 17:48, 20 May 2024 (UTC) |
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::Personally speaking as a member of the former MSG team, I would not object to moving Termbase out of MSG's page setup to somewhere where it could be more beneficial for Meta translators. [[User:RamzyM (WMF)|RamzyM (WMF)]] ([[User talk:RamzyM (WMF)|talk]]) 02:58, 27 May 2024 (UTC) |
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== Feedback invited on Procedure for Sibling Project Lifecycle == |
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=== Origin (source) of the meatpuppets === |
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The 5 admins "elected" in that way were: Fabexplosive, Snowdog, [[:it:Utente:Barbapedana|Barbapedana]], DracoRoboter and Remulazz: according to the cited definition, they '''should be considered (allegedly) recruiters''' (=meatpuppeters). The detailed analysis of the attack is above [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Forum#A_Case_Study_-_The_meatpuppeting_attack_on_the_LMO_wikipedia_-_Corrective_actions_requested]. But what was the origin of the meatpuppets (as definition) and of the meatpuppeters (as definition) ? |
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It's difficult to find were the meatpuppeting attack was organized, but perhaps the cultural environment origin (source) of the meatpuppeting attack can be found. Let we analyze the following evidences: |
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:''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee/Procedure for Sibling Project Lifecycle/Invitation for feedback (MM)|You can find this message translated into additional languages on Meta-wiki.]] [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=page-{{urlencode:Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee/Procedure for Sibling Project Lifecycle/Invitation for feedback (MM)}}&language=&action=page&filter= {{int:please-translate}}]'' |
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[[File:Sibling Project Lifecycle Conversation 3.png|150px|right|link=:m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee/Procedure for Sibling Project Lifecycle]] |
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# the meatpuppets (as definition) [[:it:Utente:DracoRoboter|DracoRoboter]] (as Draco), [[:it:Utente:Xaura|Xaura]], [[:it:Utente:Ilario|Ilario]], [[:it:Utente:Marcok|Marcok]], [[:it:Utente:Paginazero|Paginazero]], [[:it:Utente:Nemo_bis|Nemo]], [[:it:Utente:Fabexplosive|Fabexplosive]], [[:it:Utente:kiado|kiado]] and [[:it:Utente:M7|M7]] (as M/) took part to the organization of the 2008 Annual Meeting of the Italian Wikimedia Association (WMI), as we can see [http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Raduni/Caserta_2008_-_Assemblea_Wikimedia_Italia]. In the page there are also [[:it:Utente:Nick1915|Nick1915]], but see later; |
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# the meatpuppet (as definition) Nemo (first edit on LMO 17:14, 4 dic 2007, '''voted after 38 minutes''' for 3 admins [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciale:Contributi&dir=prev&target=Nemo+bis]) is one of the 5 people in the Board of the Italian Wikimedia Association, as we can see [http://www.wikimedia.it/index.php/Who_we_are]; |
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# a steward ([[:it:Utente:Paginazero|Paginazero]]) was heavly involved in the attack (maybe naivly): he voted for 3 admins ([http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Paginazero]: only 4 edits in total and then disappeared. Here we can see Paginazero receiving a premium for the Italian Wikimedia Association [http://www.wikimedia.it/index.php/Riconoscimenti]; |
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# another steward ([[:it:Utente:Nick1915|Nick1915]]) backed up metpuppets and meatpuppeters for a longtime, till in the RFC [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comments/The_meatpuppeting_attack_to_the_LMO_wikipedia_-_Corrective_actions_requested#Corrective_action_requested_.28proposed.29] was explicitly requested to stop to backup the attackers and to follow better the [[Steward_policies]], where it says ''"Stewards should always be neutral"''; |
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# the meatpuppet (as definition) [[:it:Utente:Remulazz|Remulazz]] is an active member of the Italian Wikimedia Association, as we can see [http://www.wikimedia.it/index.php/Diario_di_bordo]; |
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# the (allegedly) recruiter [[:it:Utente:Snowdog|Snowdog]] has been vice president of the Italian Wikimedia Association [http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Snowdog]. |
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Dear community members, |
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And so on ... but it could be enough for now. |
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The [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee|Community Affairs Committee]] (CAC) of the [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees|Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees]] invites you to give feedback on a '''[[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee/Procedure for Sibling Project Lifecycle|draft Procedure for Sibling Project Lifecycle]]'''. This draft Procedure outlines proposed steps and requirements for opening and closing Wikimedia Sibling Projects, and aims to ensure any newly approved projects are set up for success. This is separate from the procedures for opening or closing language versions of projects, which is handled by the [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Language committee|Language Committee]] or [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Closing_projects_policy|closing projects policy]]. |
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[[User:Yattagat|Yattagat]] 21:27, 9 December 2008 (UTC) |
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:All I know is that .snoopy is a well-standing admin here. I might return to comment more later. Fabexplosive himself is also a well-known global user. —<strong>[[user:Anonymous Dissident|<font face="Script MT Bold"><font color="#344D69">Anonymous Dissident</font></font>]]</strong>[[user talk:Anonymous Dissident|<sup><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:Gray">Talk</span></sup>]] 13:29, 20 December 2008 (UTC) |
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::Unfortunately the main definition of "meatpuppet" is clear: ''"Editors of the online encyclopedia Wikipedia use "meat puppet" to deprecate contributions from a new community member if the new member was (allegedly) recruited by an existing member only to back up the recruiting member's position"''. And, in the same way, the logs are clear. [[User:Yattagat|Yattagat]] 21:47, 22 December 2008 (UTC) |
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You can find the details on [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Talk:Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee/Procedure for Sibling Project Lifecycle#Review|this page]], as well as the ways to give your feedback from today until the end of the day on '''June 23, 2024''', anywhere on Earth. |
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:This seems to be a Wikimedia horror story.--[[User:Kozuch|Kozuch]] 20:07, 2 December 2008 (UTC) |
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::I don't see how. — <b style="color:#309;">[[User:Mike.lifeguard|Mike]].[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|lifeguard]]</b> | <sup>[[:b:en:User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">@en.wb</span>]]</sup> 21:06, 20 December 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Mike.lifeguard, erroneously you (on 20-dec, 21:07) destroyed the comment ''"A Case Study - The meatpuppeting attack on the LMO wikipedia - Corrective actions requested"'', writing ''"rm dupe section"''. Instead the informations and the analysis were not duplicated. May I restore the section? or almost the sections "Analisys of Dracoroboter's election" and "Analisys of Remulazz's election" ? Thank you, [[User:Yattagat|Yattagat]] 21:49, 22 December 2008 (UTC) |
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You can also share information about this with the interested project communities you work with or support, and you can also help us translate the procedure into more languages, so people can join the discussions in their own language. |
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Four day ago, I requested the permission to restore the informations and the analysis that Mike.lifeguard erroneously destroyed, writing: ''rm dupe section'', while the informations were not duplicated. Having received no answer, I suppose that NULLA OSTA to restore. So, the analysis of the election of DracoRoboter and Remulazz will be restored. [[User:Yattagat|Yattagat]] 14:07, 26 December 2008 (UTC) |
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[[m:User:RamzyM (WMF)|RamzyM (WMF)]] 02:24, 22 May 2024 (UTC) |
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===Analisys of Dracoroboter's election=== |
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DracoRoboter was not elected by te community, but by people that came from away. Let we analyze the election of DracoRoboter, as we can see here: [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Aministraduur/Archivi_Candidaa#DracoRoboter]. The votes of 18 people on the total of 20 (90% of the votes) were as follow: |
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# Fabexplosive - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciale:Contributi&dir=prev&target=Fabexplosive] - his vote is his 6th edit |
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# Xaura - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Xaura] - first edit on 20:01, 2 dic 2007, '''voted immediately, WORLD RECORD''' |
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# Ilario - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Ilario] - first edit on 20:01, 2 dic 2007, '''voted after 1 minutes''' and then disappeared |
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# Marcok - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Marcok] - first edit on 20:06, 2 dic 2007, '''voted after 4 minutes''' and then disappeared |
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# Paginazero - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Paginazero] - his vote is his 4th edit and then disappeared |
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# Veneziano - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Veneziano] - first edit on 20:53, 2 dic 2007, '''voted after 23 minutes''' and then disappeared |
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# Tanarus - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciale:Contributi&dir=prev&target=Tanarus] - his vote is his 3rd edit |
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# Balabiot - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciale:Contributi&dir=prev&target=Balabiot] - first edit on 10:06, 4 dic 2007, '''voted after 5 minutes''' |
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# bramfab(=Barbapedana) - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciale:Contributi&dir=prev&target=Barbapedana] - first edit on 08:48, 3 dic 2007, '''voted after 1 day, 7 hours and 52 minutes''' |
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# .snoopy. - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/.snoopy.] - his vote is his 5th edit and then disappeared |
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# Nemo - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciale:Contributi&dir=prev&target=Nemo+bis] - first edit on 17:14, 4 dic 2007, '''voted after 38 minutes''' |
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# Olando - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Olando] - first edit on 13:40, 5 dic 2007, '''voted immediately, WORLD RECORD''' and then disappeared |
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# giacumìn - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciale:Contributi&dir=prev&target=Giac83] - his vote is his 7th edit |
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# Civvi - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Civvi] - first edit on 10:58, 5 dic 2007, '''voted after 03:38''' and then disappeared |
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# Lusum - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Lusum] - first edit on 20:34, 5 dic 2007, '''voted after 1 minute''' and then disappeared |
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# Kiado - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciale:Contributi&dir=prev&target=Kiado] - first edit on 17:13, 5 dic 2007, '''voted after 04:03''' |
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# Ripe - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Ripe] - first edit on 20:31, 6 dic 2007, '''voted immediately''' and then disappeared |
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# Loroli - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Loroli] - first edit on 20:32, 6 dic 2007, '''voted after 1 minute''' and then disappeared |
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== Announcing the first Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee == |
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====Some other little news==== |
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Dracoroboter resigned and leaved the adminship in the wiki-IT yet [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Steward_requests/Permissions/2009-03#Dracoroboter.40itwiki]. The recruiter (= meatpuppeter) and recruited (= meatpuppet) Dracoroboter, is also an active member of italian Wikimedia Association [http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Raduni/Milano_2009_-_Assemblea_Wikimedia_Italia#Domenica_sera_per_cena]. -- [[User:Yattagat|Yattagat]] 22:06, 20 March 2009 (UTC) |
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===Analisys of Remulazz's election=== |
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:''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2024/Announcement – results|You can find this message translated into additional languages on Meta-wiki.]] [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=page-{{urlencode:Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2024/Announcement – results}}&language=&action=page&filter= {{int:please-translate}}]'' |
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Remulazz was not elected by te community, but by people that came from away. Let we analyze the election of Remulazz, as we can see here: [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Aministraduur/Archivi_Candidaa#Remulazz]. The votes of 16 people on the total of 17 (94% of the votes) were as follow: |
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# Dracoroboter - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciale:Contributi&dir=prev&target=DracoRoboter] - his vote for Snowdog were his 5th edit; after 2 day he voted for Remulazz |
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# Tanarus - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciale:Contributi&dir=prev&target=Tanarus] - his vote is his 13th edit |
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# Fabexplosive - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciale:Contributi&dir=prev&target=Fabexplosive] - his vote is his 12th edit |
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# bramfab(=Barbapedana) - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciale:Contributi&dir=prev&target=Barbapedana] - first edit on 08:48, 3 dic 2007, '''voted after 1 day, 7 hours and 52 minutes''' |
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# .snoopy. - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/.snoopy.] - his vote is his 7th edit and then disappeared |
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# Balabiot - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciale:Contributi&dir=prev&target=Balabiot] - first edit on 10:06, 4 dic 2007, '''voted after 5 minutes''' for Snowdog, voted after 7 hours for Remulazz |
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# Nemo - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciale:Contributi&dir=prev&target=Nemo+bis] - first edit on 17:14, 4 dic 2007, '''voted after 38 minutes''' |
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# Xaura - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Xaura] - first edit on 20:01, 2 dic 2007, '''voted immediately''' for Snowdog, voted after 2 days for Remulazz |
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# Olando - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Olando] - first edit on 13:40, 5 dic 2007, '''voted immediately, WORLD RECORD''' and then disappeared |
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# giacumìn - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciale:Contributi&dir=prev&target=Giac83] - his vote is his 9th edit |
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# Lusum - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Lusum] - first edit on 20:34, 5 dic 2007, '''voted after 2 minute''' and then disappeared |
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# Civvi - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Civvi] - first edit on 10:58, 5 dic 2007, '''voted after 1 day''' and then disappeared |
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# Kiado - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciale:Contributi&dir=prev&target=Kiado] - first edit on 17:13, 5 dic 2007, '''voted after 1 day''' |
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# Loroli - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Loroli] - first edit on 20:32, 6 dic 2007, '''voted after 6 minutes''' and then disapeared |
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# Ripe - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Ripe] - first edit on 20:31, 6 dic 2007, '''voted after 18 minutes''' and then disapeared |
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# Veneziano - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Veneziano] - first edit on 20:53, 2 dic 2007, '''voted after 23 minutes''' for Snowdog, voted 5 days after for Remulazz and then disappeared |
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Hello, |
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=== Corrective action required === |
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The admins of the LMO wikipedia, Fabexplosive, Snowdog and Barbapedana were elected (as detailed above) by users that suddenly accessed the LMO wikipedia, immediately or after few minutes voted and then disappeared. If the main definition of "meatpuppet" (''Editors of the online encyclopedia Wikipedia use "meat puppet" to deprecate contributions from a new community member if the new member was (allegedly) recruited by an existing member only to back up the recruiting member's position'') will not be changed, the recruited users should be considered meatpuppets and the recruiters should be considered meatpuppeters. |
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The scrutineers have finished reviewing the vote results. We are following up with the results of the first [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2024|Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) election]]. |
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The admins elected in the way detailed, don't have the trust of the LMO community, they only had the vote of the meatpuppets. As corrective action, the following are proposed: |
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# the admins Fabexplosive, Snowolf and Barbapedana should resign and leave the LMO adminship; |
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# all the votes of meatpuppets and meatpuppeters, involved in the meatpuppeting attack, should be discarded during the polls on the LMO wikipedia (until meatpuppets and meatpuppeters will demonstrate, with their contributions, to be good wikipedians). |
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[[User:Yattagat|Yattagat]] 14:10, 26 December 2008 (UTC) |
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We are pleased to announce the following individuals as regional members of the U4C, who will fulfill a two-year term: |
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==== Some little news ==== |
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On friday 16 jan 2009, the admin Fabexplosive resigned and leaved the adminship in the LMO wiki. |
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* North America (USA and Canada) |
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Users of the LMO wiki are waiting for the resignation of [[:it:Utente:Snowdog|Snowdog]] (an ex steward) and of Barbapedana (alias [[:it:Utente:Bramfab|Bramfab]]), the other two admins "elected" during the meatpuppeting attack of december 2007. |
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* Northern and Western Europe |
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** [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:Ghilt|Ghilt]] |
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* Latin America and Caribbean |
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* Central and East Europe (CEE) |
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* Sub-Saharan Africa |
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* Middle East and North Africa |
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** [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:Ibrahim.ID|Ibrahim.ID]] |
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* East, South East Asia and Pacific (ESEAP) |
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** [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:0xDeadbeef|0xDeadbeef]] |
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* South Asia |
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The following individuals are elected to be community-at-large members of the U4C, fulfilling a one-year term: |
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[[User:Yattagat|Yattagat]] 14:16, 24 January 2009 (UTC) |
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* [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:Barkeep49|Barkeep49]] |
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===Analisys of the Snowdog's election=== |
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* [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:Superpes15|Superpes15]] |
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The LMO users are asking the resignation of the admins "elected" during the meatppeting attack of december 2007 : ''"Ti chiedo di dire a tutti i tuoi soci di scegliere o di mettersi a contribuire e amministrare o di dimettersi. Grazie"'' [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Grott&diff=next&oldid=333788]. |
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* [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:Civvì|Civvì]] |
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* [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:Luke081515|Luke081515]] |
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Thank you again to everyone who participated in this process and much appreciation to the candidates for your leadership and dedication to the Wikimedia movement and community. |
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The admin Snowdog, as ex steward and ex vice President of the Italian Wikimedia Association, should be the first to resign. |
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Over the next few weeks, the U4C will begin meeting and planning the 2024-25 year in supporting the implementation and review of the UCoC and Enforcement Guidelines. Follow their work on [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee|Meta-wiki]]. |
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The admin Snowdog was not elected by te community, but by people that came from away. Let we analyze the election of Snowdog, as we can see there: [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Aministraduur/Archivi_Candidaa#Snowdog]. The votes of 20 people on the total of 23 (87% of the votes) were as follow: |
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On behalf of the UCoC project team,<section end="announcement-content" /> |
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# Dracoroboter - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciale:Contributi&dir=prev&target=DracoRoboter] - his vote is his 5th edit |
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# Fabexplosive - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciale:Contributi&dir=prev&target=Fabexplosive] - his vote is his 5th edit |
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# Xaura - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Xaura] - first edit on 20:01, 2 dic 2007, '''voted immediately, WORLD RECORD''' |
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# Ilario - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Ilario] - first edit on 20:01, 2 dic 2007, '''voted immediately''' and then disappeared |
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# Marcok - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Marcok] - first edit on 20:06, 2 dic 2007, '''voted after 4 minutes''' and then disappeared |
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# Paginazero - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Paginazero] - his vote is his 4th edit and then disappeared |
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# Veneziano - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Veneziano] - first edit on 20:53, 2 dic 2007, '''voted after 22 minutes after''' and then disappeared |
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# Tanarus - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciale:Contributi&dir=prev&target=Tanarus] - his vote is his 4th edit |
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# Balabiot - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciale:Contributi&dir=prev&target=Balabiot] - first edit on 10:06, 4 dic 2007, '''voted after 5 minutes''' |
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# bramfab(=Barbapedana) - [[http://lmo.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciale:Contributi&dir=prev&target=Barbapedana]] - first edit on 08:48, 3 dic 2007, '''voted after 1 day, 7 hours and 52 minutes''' |
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# .snoopy. - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/.snoopy.] - his vote is his 4th edit and then disappeared |
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# Nemo - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciale:Contributi&dir=prev&target=Nemo+bis] - first edit on 17:14, 4 dic 2007, '''voted after 38 minutes''' |
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# M7 - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/M7] - his vote is his 3rd edit and then disappeared |
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# Olando - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Olando] - first edit on 13:40, 5 dic 2007, '''voted immediately, WORLD RECORD''' and then disappeared |
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# giacumìn - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciale:Contributi&dir=prev&target=Giac83] - his vote is his 6th edit |
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# Civvi - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Civvi] - first edit on 10:58, 5 dic 2007, '''voted after 03:36''' |
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# Lusum - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Lusum] - first edit on 20:34, 5 dic 2007, '''voted immediately''' and then disappeared |
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# Kiado - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciale:Contributi&dir=prev&target=Kiado] - first edit on 17:13, 5 dic 2007, '''voted after 04:02''' |
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# Ripe - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Ripe] - first edit on 20:31, 6 dic 2007, '''voted immediately''' and then disappeared |
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# Loroli - [http://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Loroli] - first edit on 20:32, 6 dic 2007, '''voted immediately''' and then disappeared |
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== Copyright policy on Albanian Wikipedia == |
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What's the strategy for dealing with situations where one of the smaller projects does something blatantly against the rules in terms of copyright and image policy? This time it's the [[:sq:|Albanian Wikipedia.]] They have [[:sq:Stampa:Sqwikipedia|an image template]] saying that certain media are published only for use on their own Wikipedia and must not be copied elsewhere, not even other Wikimedia projects. The template was created by one of their administrators and is currently used on some two dozen images, some of them historical photographs, others graphics that would quite obviously be replaceable with fully free media. I can see no indication of anything like a non-free media rationale, a source declaration, or an explanation of the supposed copyright status, or what the special sq-wiki-only licensing is supposed to be based on. Copyright policy on other images appears to be rather sloppy too, to put it mildly. ([[:sq:Kategoria:Domain publike - Foto|these]] are all claimed to be public domain, and hardly any of them even has a source provided.) |
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I don't speak Albanian. I tried speaking to one of their admins who I know does speak English, but he rather rudely refused to talk to me in anything but Albanian [http://sq.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=P%C3%ABrdoruesi_diskutim%3ADan&diff=524891&oldid=524643]. It's a very small project and competent English speakers appear to be rare there. I've asked him to join us over here. What else can be done? [[User:Future Perfect at Sunrise|Fut.Perf.]] [[en:User talk:Future Perfect at Sunrise|☼]] 06:56, 10 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:It is GFDL violation. MUST be deleted unless it is used for fair use images.--[[User:Kwj2772|Kwj2772]] ([[User talk:Kwj2772|<span lang="ko-hani" xml:lang="ko-hani" class="description ko-hani">論</span>]]) 07:29, 10 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:cf. [[wikimedia:Licensing policy]].--[[User:Kwj2772|Kwj2772]] ([[User talk:Kwj2772|<span lang="ko-hani" xml:lang="ko-hani" class="description ko-hani">論</span>]]) 07:43, 10 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:I read your conversation at [[:sq:Përdoruesi diskutim:Puntori]]. English is not this person't first language so it's tough to tell for sure, but I think he is confusing "free" (it didn't cost me anything) with "free" (free content). That's hard enough to explain to someone when we both speak the same language. ;) --[[User:B|B]] 15:18, 10 February 2009 (UTC) |
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::You mean that "speech vs. beer" is not instantaneously intuitively intelligible across cultures? :) -- [[User:Avraham|Avi]] 15:40, 10 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Words fail me. [http://sq.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=P%C3%ABrdoruesi_diskutim%3APuntori&diff=525244&oldid=525241] --[[User:B|B]] 15:57, 10 February 2009 (UTC) |
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::::Well, if he wants it on his village pump rather than his user talk page, I'll gladly oblige. Let's have a [[:sq:Wikipedia:Kuvendi|''kuvenda'']]. [[User:Future Perfect at Sunrise|Fut.Perf.]] [[en:User talk:Future Perfect at Sunrise|☼]] 16:45, 10 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:How about not destroying the content of projects and instead 'helping' them? Instead of saying "your images are bad, solve the problem or the Foundation will delete them all!" you could rather tell them how to create a local fair use policy. Or try creating or finding free alternatives to the images. Or try helping them to find the sources of the images. |
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:There is not a single "obvious" or "dangerous" copyvio among the images, just some very old pics where the source is not known exactly. No reason to make this a big issue. --[[User:Slomox|::Slomox::]] [[User talk:Slomox|><]] 20:08, 10 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:: That's not quite true. While the old photographs are likely to be unproblematic, the maps (like [[:sq:Figura:P. Romake në Ballkan shk.V.PNG]]) are not; they are certainly more modern, and in the absence of source information must be presumed to be copyvios. Also, the particular images with this particular tag are only the tip of an iceberg, of a project crammed full of bad image uploads with all sorts of sloppy, missing or false copyright declarations. – As for helping, that presupposes that local editors are prepared to listen, to explain, and to do their homework. I can't help them create a fair use policy if they are not prepared to acknowledge that non-free content requires any consideration on their part at all. [[User:Future Perfect at Sunrise|Fut.Perf.]] [[en:User talk:Future Perfect at Sunrise|☼]] 21:10, 10 February 2009 (UTC) |
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::Slomox, I follow this discussion here and on the sq.wiki. My opinion is that the colleagues here do not want to critisize only but are helping a bit with advices etc. The fact is though, that a tag or template "this image can be published here only and do not copy or use it elsewhere" an absolute nonsence is. Everybody who see it once can use it and that is the point: there is a copyright violation. Fair use is a obscure happening on the enwiki because of the US laws, but I do not think that somebody can help the sq.wiki to create a sq.fair-use-policy. The images must be deleted, and as somebody says on the sq.wiki, after learing the point they can be renewed. [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 21:14, 10 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Every project can create an Exemption Doctrine Policy if local law allows rights similar to "fair use". Whether this is the case can only be said after reading the [http://www.wipo.int/clea/en/text_html.jsp?lang=EN&id=20 Albanian copyright law]. If you haven't read it, don't say, that they cannot create one. |
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:::This thread was about a specific template. 14 old images, 7 maps and one console screenshot. The maps and the screenshot can easily be recreated as free images. I cannot judge how prevalent problematic content is among the other uploads on sq. If it's a general problem, the original post shouldn't have asked about the specific template. |
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:::''The fact is though, that a tag or template "this image can be published here only and do not copy or use it elsewhere" an absolute nonsence is.'' It's not a license tag but a warning tag. --[[User:Slomox|::Slomox::]] [[User talk:Slomox|><]] 22:03, 10 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:::: It is evidently ''meant'' to be a licensing tag. There is nothing else at all on the image description pages. That's indicative of the overall level of copyright practice there. [[User:Future Perfect at Sunrise|Fut.Perf.]] [[en:User talk:Future Perfect at Sunrise|☼]] 22:09, 10 February 2009 (UTC) |
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::Slomox, I did not read the Albanian law and I will not as I do not speak the language. But I would be very surprised if there is the possibility for fair use (see also the appropriate pages in commons, there are such tags not mentioned). But this does not matter. Important: there are '''no warning tags''' in the wikipedia projects. There is only a notice on the bottom of every page saying "Content is available under GNU Free Documentation License". Therefore all texts and all images which do not fullfill GFDL cannot be published here. I know the discussions about this from many projects, sometimes I am sorry about it, but this is the fact. [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 22:29, 10 February 2009 (UTC) - - - P.S. Fair use according to the US law is sometning else and an exception of the en.wiki. [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 22:31, 10 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:FYI, [[:sq:User:Dan]] has [http://sq.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AKuvendi&diff=525482&oldid=525308 blanked] the discussion on their village pump. --[[User:B|B]] 02:25, 11 February 2009 (UTC) |
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::Not only blanked it, but also welcomed both you and me with nationalist insults ("barbarians" and others) [http://sq.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=P%C3%ABrdoruesi_diskutim:B&diff=prev&oldid=525536], [http://sq.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=P%C3%ABrdoruesi_diskutim:Dan&diff=prev&oldid=525492], [http://sq.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=P%C3%ABrdoruesi_diskutim:Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise&diff=prev&oldid=525489]. It is clear now that this project as a whole is not willing to comply either with standards of content nor with standards of behaviour. I'm hardly surprised. [[User:Future Perfect at Sunrise|Fut.Perf.]] [[en:User talk:Future Perfect at Sunrise|☼]] 06:35, 11 February 2009 (UTC) |
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::Finally I decided to lose time to write to you. It seems that you like a forum discussions. I wonder what are you doing here. Go and do forum talks. |
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::Anyways, just as I said in my talk page: "This template is permanent". Is that hard to be understood? Let it be like it is until the right answer is found. |
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::I told you that I can give license to the content (next 5 min). Then what? |
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::I understand English Language very well and I can understand what means free in this topic, BUT THIS TEMPLATE IS TEMPORARILY. |
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::So MR. '''B''' if I make the content FREE as you say than it means that that content is licensed which is not true, because the content is not licensed (it's not found the right license). |
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::In sq.wikipedia almost all active users understand and write good English, but they do not lose time talking not important things with "forumist". |
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::Some one have written that "he is not convinced" that we are "investigating" the the true license: Is that matter if you are or not convinced? Man, man, man. One time visit to sq.wikipedia and immediately want to be King. I told once if you do not understand the language and the situation in one wiki DO NOT BOTHER, go away. |
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::So, what you are talking about? I can't understand. [[User:Puntori|Puntori]] 13:54, 11 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Some people here are worst than me in understanding English. I said: "Those images are not licensed, and the template is temporary eadded". They say: The text in the template meant to be license text. This is not funny. I think that those users either want to bother us, or are playing stupid with the words I write.[[User:Puntori|Puntori]] 14:08, 11 February 2009 (UTC) |
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::::I think the expression of the template should be changed. "This file is only for sq.wikipedia.org" can cause misunderstanding like this case.--[[User:Kwj2772|Kwj2772]] ([[User talk:Kwj2772|<span lang="ko-hani" xml:lang="ko-hani" class="description ko-hani">論</span>]]) 14:13, 11 February 2009 (UTC) |
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::The text is :"Don't copy to other Wikimedia projects or in other web sites." [[User:Puntori|Puntori]] 15:26, 11 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Hi Puntori. I hope it is OK when I mention some ideas. The text on your template is not only a bit not common for the wikimedia projects. It is also quite irritating. Sure, you say the image should not be copied etc., but on the same page (see e.g. [[:w:sq:Figura:Asdreni.jpg]]) everybody can read on the bottom the sentence "Përmbajtja është në disponim nëpërmjet licencës GNU Free Documentation License". This is not compatible. Therefore, as some other colleagues suggested here already, it yould be better for all to delete the images as long as the licence and copyright are not clear. Later you can renew the images. I think this is the only and also the right way to avoid a copyright violation and to avoid a problems with the Wikimedia Foundation. Cheers and good luck, [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 15:46, 11 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Sorry to say, but it is hard to discuss with you. I say "let it be like it is until we clear this situation. You are dieing to delete this content. You can see in my delete log how many pictures I have deleted, and I do not like this kind of content. We are a few who actively work to protect sq.wikipedia and there are many who post stupidities and upload images by adding "fake" license. |
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:::So this situation with those pictures is clear, I mean, we know that those pictures are free to be used and we want to find the right license. At the other hand we do not have time do delete then turn back then delete then what whoever comes to sq.wiki ad judges things without knowing the situation. |
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:::I say: Give us a time. You say that you want to delete. So, delete, and I hope you'll be happy with that. [[User:Puntori|Puntori]] 16:00, 11 February 2009 (UTC) |
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::::Please understand that these comments and advices are intended to ''help'', and written with the best intentions. Apologies if this seem like interfering with an independent project, but the fact remains that there are certain rules that ''every'' wikimediaproject must follow. I understand that the template in question is meant to be only temporarily, used until the proper sources/licenses are found. The problem is that we (=wikimedia projects) should not nost&use files without sources/free licenses even temporarily. Files of unknown origin should be deleted, and only restored when/if the source is found, |
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::::Some projects (like en:wiki) host files that could not be used at other projects, and thus tag them "Do not move to Wikimedia Commons" or such. That is however files that fulfill a certain fair-use rationale as adapted by that particular project, not files where the source or copyrightstatus is unknown. Regards, [[User:Finnrind|Finn Rindahl]] 17:15, 11 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:::: There is a behaviour dimension to this too. This project has a hostile, nationalist "us-versus-them" mentality towards other language communities. A fellow wikipedian from a foreign-language project comes to your place, '''to help'''. He is met with a flow of crass nationalist insults, from a local admin. The new user removes the insults from his own user talk page. You, Puntori, instead of rebuking your abusive fellow admin, have a friendly chat with him and then go and '''reinstate''' the abuse [http://sq.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=P%C3%ABrdoruesi_diskutim:B&diff=525746&oldid=525692]. Is this how you usually deal with guests in your place? [[User:Future Perfect at Sunrise|Fut.Perf.]] [[en:User talk:Future Perfect at Sunrise|☼]] 17:34, 11 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Puntori, you can believe me, not only on sq.wiki there are trolls. I am editing since May 2004 and I have been admin om three projects. There are thousands of trolls everywhere uploading nonsence and false informations. C'est la vie, such is the life, such is wiki. But here we want to point out what is the right way to handle images. You upload images and then you try to find a licence for it. Normally the way is the other one: you must know the licence and you must be sure the licence is right, then - and not earlier - you can upload it on commons or other wikimedia projects. This is the point of this discussion. So, when there are people who are like to help you here, let them help you. Nobody here is like to delete the sq.wiki I hope. Cheers [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 18:11, 11 February 2009 (UTC) |
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::I will comment to all with this last text. |
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::I do my best in Albanian Language wikipedia (you can see my log aobut this). |
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::I make discussions to make dessidions (with users and admins in sq.wiki). Not all the time thinks are going good, so I look for the best solution even for temporary solution. |
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::We are just few editors and not 100 or 1000 so there will not be problem if I just stay deleting. |
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::We need a motivation there, so some times I decide to move arund regulation and mean time find the right solution. |
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::And for the wikipedian which discussion I recoverd I say: You do not have right to delete the discussion, no metter is that good or bad. |
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::This is my lest comment about this topic. If you whant you can delete the images. I will not, because I am searching information about the true license. |
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::Kind Regards, [[User:Puntori|Puntori]] 22:13, 11 February 2009 (UTC) |
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This is getting more and more bizarre. Now I'm getting blocking threats from the most abusive of the admins there [http://sq.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=P%C3%ABrdoruesi_diskutim:Dan&diff=prev&oldid=526413], [http://sq.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=P%C3%ABrdoruesi_diskutim:Puntori&diff=prev&oldid=526405]. This is the same guy who insists on calling non-Albanians "Barbarians" in every single posting of his, and who is actually edit-warring with his fellow admins to reinstate his insults against me [http://sq.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=P%C3%ABrdoruesi_diskutim:Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise&diff=prev&oldid=526392]. And this because I dared to document that this same guy is a serial copyright offender [http://sq.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=P%C3%ABrdoruesi_diskutim:Cradel&diff=prev&oldid=526036]. |
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So, what can be done? The state of affairs on that wiki is such that the cross-wiki community and the Foundation can't simply ignore it and let them be. From what I've seen, I'm very pessimistic about that wiki community finding the strength of cleaning itself from the abuse. It needs some pushing from outside. But I don't see how I can do much there, since I'm being threatened with blocks simply for the very act of posting there. The project is in effect using the language barrier to shut itself off from criticism and control. |
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Is there a way of starting a process here on meta to reach some binding, enforceable sanctions on such a wiki? I'm getting more and more convinced that at least one desysoping is absolutely necessary, and I don't see how that can be achieved through any process internal to the project. [[User:Future Perfect at Sunrise|Fut.Perf.]] [[en:User talk:Future Perfect at Sunrise|☼]] 22:12, 12 February 2009 (UTC) |
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::Please note that 'barbar' simply means 'foreigner'. [[User:Guido den Broeder|Guido den Broeder]] 23:57, 23 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:Hi Future and other ones. It really seems to be a problem or at least a lack of knowledge about copyright atd. there. But, after all, I have the feeling that we can cooperate with some users or admins from the sq.wiki, or at least to discuss with them, althoug some other ones are like to block etc. So, I would suggest, let us slow down and see if there is a possibility to gin somebody to mediate this problem. I just hope to solve a similar problem on the multisource. Let us slow down, the users on sq.wiki should recognize that we do not press them. [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 22:32, 12 February 2009 (UTC) |
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::Under the [http://www.wipo.int/clea/en/text_html.jsp?lang=EN&id=20] (8 and 11) [it is in english], the images such as [[w:sq:Figura:Asdreni.jpg]] are freely usable for educational purposes, even if they are copyrighted. |
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::It can also be a logo, a copyrighted software screenshot, a patent, or everything else that is IP, can be used for non-profit (direct or indirect) educational purposes. |
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::To remember it to you, this means it is GFDL compatible. It's like Creative Commons BY. --<small style="background:#000">''' [[User:Eagleal|<span style="color:#fff">eagle</span>]][[User talk:Eagleal|<span style="color:#fff;background:#f00">al</span>]] '''</small> 06:34, 14 February 2009 (UTC) |
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::: That's a misunderstanding, I'm afraid. Please read up on [[:foundation:Resolution:Licensing policy]] and its application on [[:en:WP:NFC]]. Copyrighted media are only "free" enough for Wikimedia projects if they are free even for commercial re-use. "Free for educational use" is not free enough for us. What you describe is what we treat as "fair use" media on en-wiki. Those are okay, but only under very narrow conditions. And, as I told Cradel, if you want to invoke such rules, you need to spell out the exact conditions under which you wish to do so, in what the Foundation calls an "exemption doctrine". [[User:Future Perfect at Sunrise|Fut.Perf.]] [[en:User talk:Future Perfect at Sunrise|☼]] 08:21, 14 February 2009 (UTC) |
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::::I understand you, but since the Albanian country IP laws, allow educational use, so it does transform in a sort of CC-BY-NC (not fair-use) worldwide. You can use, redistribute, make derivative works, but you can't use it commercially. |
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::::Wikimedia host the image on US, under a CC-NC-BY. As I knew, a creative commons license, is a free license. --<small style="background:#000">''' [[User:Eagleal|<span style="color:#fff">eagle</span>]][[User talk:Eagleal|<span style="color:#fff;background:#f00">al</span>]] '''</small> 14:53, 14 February 2009 (UTC) |
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::::: No, I'm afraid that's incorrect. CC-BY-NC or equivalents of that are not accepted as free licenses on Wikimedia projects. A noncommercial-only or educational-only restriction is not compatible with the definition of a [http://freedomdefined.org/Definition "free cultural work"] as refered to in the [[:foundation:Resolution:Licensing policy|Licensing policy]]. Also, I'm not at all sure whether you are interpreting the Albanian law correctly. I don't think the law is saying that you can take just any work produced in Albania and copy it on your website just because your website calls itself educational. Those articles 8 and 11, if they are meant to be in any way comparable to corresponding rules in other European copyright laws, describe something much more restrictive than that. Unfortunately, I can't say exactly what they are meant to say, because the English translation is unreadable. [[User:Future Perfect at Sunrise|Fut.Perf.]] [[en:User talk:Future Perfect at Sunrise|☼]] 21:47, 14 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:::I guess Fut.Perf. is right. Things like ''non commercial'', ''only education'' etc. are not free in the sence of the foundation (any restriction differing from gfdl is a restriction). Additionally, you must distinguish two things: the Albanian copyright law on the one side and the rules of the foundation on the other one. Secondly, as far as the very unsuficient summary of the Albanian Copyright law ([http://www.wipo.int/clea/en/text_html.jsp?lang=EN&id=20]) can be undestood, the rule is ''70 years after the death of the author'' (chapter IV § 19) which will concern the most images and texts. The other paragraphs like 8 and 11 (8 telling about teaching not educational purposes as a whole) or the paragraphs with 50 years after having been published etc. (phonograms, performances etc.) are exeptions not matching our problem in the most cases (and also not matching the arised problem on the oldwikisource). May be it would not be a bad idea if you start a workshop about licensing and copyright (with the support of some colleagues from meta, commons etc.??), might be as a starting project for the Albanian Wikiversity. [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 12:23, 15 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:::N.B.: The full English translation of the Albanian copyright law of 2005 can be found [http://portal.unesco.org/culture/admin/file_download.php/al_copyright_2005_en.pdf?URL_ID=30328&filename=11422460823al_copyright_2005_en.pdf&filetype=application%2Fpdf&filesize=240139&name=al_copyright_2005_en.pdf&location=user-S/ here], [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 09:27, 6 March 2009 (UTC) |
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===translation from al.source=== |
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Hello, and sorry I can not make a disscusion in english. I holpe thate somebody can understande this pise of text in albanian witch I'm writing dow here. |
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Nuk është problemi i figurave. Nuk është problemi i stampes. Është problemi i paraqitjes së administratorit të en.Wiki në një kohë të shkurtër pas paraqitjes së përdoruesit të mëparshëm në artikullin Kosova. Në fleten time të përdoruesit nuk ekziston asnjë shenjë ku shkruan se unë jamë njohës i ndonjë gjuhe tjetër. Është e vërtet që bisedat e lehta i kuptojë në disa gjuhë. Por kjo as se si nuk do të thotë se jamë në gjendje të diskutoj e aq më pakë për një temë që edhe për ne ka qenë e ''nxehtë''. Dhe po ta njihja unë gjuhen angleze në atë shkallë sa të diskutoja, nuk bënë që të harrohet që gjuhë e projektit në fjalë është gjuha shqipe dhe secili antarë i saj ka të drejtë të kuptojë se për çka po flitet. Së paku të përshëndetet dhe të informohet se për cilën gjuhë bëhet fjala. |
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Ky administrator i interesuar për mirëmbajtje në një projekt, komunitetin e të cilit nuk e njehë, gjuhen e projektit nuk e njehë, ky administratorë që nuk u mundua të paraqesë synimet e tija si wikipedianë, nuk mori pakë kohë që së paku të mësojë ''çelsin e mirësjelljes'' në atë projekt '''TUNG''', çelës i cili gjendet po thuaj se në çdo faqe diskutimi të përdoruesve. Ky administratorë që vije në projektin tonë, ashtu si të kishte zgjidhur gjitha problemet në projektin ku është zgjedhur administrator. |
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Zotëri, deri më tani, sq.Wikipedia nuk ka marr asnjë ankesë nga poseduesit e të drejtave të figurave. Vetëmbrojtja apo disa figura të licencuara gabimisht me pavetëdije nuk do të thotë tragjedi. |
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Ne jemi vullnetar. Vullnetar në përhapjen e njohurime ndër njerzimin. Poseduesëve të figurave mund të u garatojmë që brenda projektit tonë (sq) nuk do të ketë keqpërdorime. Por atyre nuk mund të ju garantojmë për keqpërdorime në projekte të fondacionint dhe jashë tij. Fondacioni ësht i madhë, ne jemi të vegjël. |
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Ky admiministrator nuk është për t'u admiruar por përkundrazi. --[[User:Hipi Zhdripi|Hipi Zhdripi]] 09:16, 14 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:Somebody else may be able to translate more, but from what I gather, Hipi Zhdripi is now arguing that because they are such a small project and because they don't get complaints from copyright holders, it doesn't really matter if they are a bit more careless about copyrights. Well, Hipi, that's not how it works. [[User:Future Perfect at Sunrise|Fut.Perf.]] [[en:User talk:Future Perfect at Sunrise|☼]] 10:34, 14 February 2009 (UTC) |
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::It's saying that he can't understand english well, only a few words of the language, and that in his user page also he doesn't say that speak any other language, except the Albanian. |
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::Also from the text: "it's only that he make an intervention directly after a discussion of the article about Kosova". |
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::The discussion than degraded and a user started insulting, and criticize the content of the article, even if he doesn't knew a word of Albanian. |
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::Then Hipi says that he toughts the intervention of english admin (Fut.Perf.) was to support the user in the discussion of the article about Kosovo. |
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::Fut.Perf he says came to sqwiki and didn't expose us his purposes, but instead he started pushing us. |
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::We can guarantee the IP holders for the usage of the media in our wiki, but none in the others. |
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::''Note that this is not a litterally traduction of the text above.'' --<small style="background:#000">''' [[User:Eagleal|<span style="color:#fff">eagle</span>]][[User talk:Eagleal|<span style="color:#fff;background:#f00">al</span>]] '''</small> 15:16, 14 February 2009 (UTC) |
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== Tidying developers' user rights == |
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I'm very glad to see that the developers now have their own global group; "[[Special:GlobalUsers/sysadmin|system administrators]]". It [[User:Cometstyles/Global group rights|seems]] that this group has been correctly set up to give the developers the ability to temporarily give themselves any permissions they require, but to be minimally-intrusive otherwise. In this context, it no longer makes sense for developers to also be members of the "steward" global group, into which they have been 'grandfathered' for many years. It is also no longer necessary for the developers to retain local groups that relate only to user rights; particularly 'bureaucrat'. Brion is a bureaucrat on [http://toolserver.org/~vvv/sulutil.php?user=Brion_VIBBER&rights=1 eight wikis]; still a member of the defunct local "developer" group on three, and an admin on a whopping thirty eight. Tim Starling [http://toolserver.org/~vvv/sulutil.php?user=Tim_Starling&rights=1 is] a 'crat on three wikis but, bizzarrely, not a local "developer" on any of them. |
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I'm not trying to make any suggestion to the effect that the devs should not be 'allowed' the ''technical permissions'' associated with these groups; indeed it would be the height of folly to suggest that of someone with root access to the servers <tt>:D</tt>. I'm concerned rather with the distinction between the technical access the groups give, and the expectations of the roles themselves. Just because Tim is a sysop on eight wikis, doesn't mean that he is 'qualified' to close XfDs or protect pages on those wikis. Brion having the 'crat flag in as many places doesn't mean it would be appropriate for him to close RfAs. Just because they have the steward flag, doesn't mean that they should be poked over trivial SUL renames. It is both 'tidier' from a technical perspective, and more transparent from a community perspective, for the developers to be "system administrators", rather than "stewards", "bureaucrats", or local "developers". I propose, therefore, that we politely ask the four developers (Brion, Tim, RobH and Kate) who have large numbers of user rights floating around, to spend a few minutes seeing which user rights they genuinely need, and which are just hangovers from situations that are no longer relevant; and ask the stewards to remove those rights that they do not have a use for. |
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Thoughts? <font color="forestgreen">[[User:Happy-melon|'''Happy''']]</font>‑<font color="darkorange">[[w:en:User talk:Happy-melon|'''melon''']]</font> 23:37, 22 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:Why discuss it here? Just go ahead and ask them. If they say no, we can talk about whether it is worth pressuring them to do it, but if they are happy to do so, there is no need for discussion. --[[User:Tango|Tango]] 12:38, 23 February 2009 (UTC) |
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::I have, in as much as I e-mailed Brion a couple of days ago, but have had no response. I suppose he's a busy guy... Perhaps someone should grab him on IRC? <font color="forestgreen">[[User:Happy-melon|'''Happy''']]</font>‑<font color="darkorange">[[w:en:User talk:Happy-melon|'''melon''']]</font> 16:15, 23 February 2009 (UTC) |
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As I recall, they've repeatedly said that they do not care if you remove their admin/crat/dev permissions. If they require them again for whatever purpose (as has indeed happened) they will simply grant it to themselves for tasks on an as-needed basis. Which is the whole point of having staff and sysadmin global groups. Just Do It. — <b style="color:#309;">[[User:Mike.lifeguard|Mike]].[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|lifeguard]]</b> | <sup>[[:b:en:User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">@en.wb</span>]]</sup> 20:35, 23 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:[[Stewards/elections_2009/statements/Mike.lifeguard#Yes|Go on then]] <tt>:D</tt>. As and when the board confirms your nomination, of course. Congrats, by the way! <font color="forestgreen">[[User:Happy-melon|'''Happy''']]</font>‑<font color="darkorange">[[w:en:User talk:Happy-melon|'''melon''']]</font> 00:08, 24 February 2009 (UTC) |
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::It is good custom for developers to remove their own group rights when they do not need them. [[User:Guido den Broeder|Guido den Broeder]] 00:21, 24 February 2009 (UTC) |
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::: Where do I file such a request? Brion has made 11 edits on Wikispecies and last edited in July 2006 but an admin & crat?! I think that qualifies for inactive user. [[User:OhanaUnited|<b><font color="#0000FF">OhanaUnited</font></b>]][[User talk:OhanaUnited|<b><font color="green"><sup>Talk page</sup></font></b>]] 05:42, 24 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:::: Each project wanting the inactive rights removed would want to develop its own discussion on the matter. When you come to a local consensus on the matter and can point at a policy page allowing for removal of inactive rights, point the stewards at both and they'll perform the removals. [[User:Kylu|Kylu]] 06:46, 24 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:::::So we need to develop seven hundred and fifty separate policies to govern the rights of four users? What ludicrous bureaucracy. As Mike notes, the devs have carte blanche to do whatever they think they need to on any wiki, regardless of local policy. And remember that we're not actually ''removing'' any permissions ''whatsoever''; being members of the global sysadmin group, any permission they need is just two clicks away. Easy come, easy go, even easier 'come again' if necessary. This is a ''totally'' different issue to removal of inactive rights in general. <font color="forestgreen">[[User:Happy-melon|'''Happy''']]</font>‑<font color="darkorange">[[w:en:User talk:Happy-melon|'''melon''']]</font> 09:34, 24 February 2009 (UTC) |
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::::::It is probably a good idea to create a central policy of some sort for this. I suppose if local projects want the rights removed, they can form consensus to. If they don't really care then there's not much point in it really. '''[[User:Majorly|<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#B05427">Majorly</span>]]''' <sup>''[[User talk:Majorly|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]''</sup> 13:06, 24 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:::::::No, if local projects "don't care", then they ''don't care''; ambivalence is not the same as support for the status quo. If anything, the fact that the xx.wiki community "doesn't care" if one of its bureaucrats is removed, is evidence ''in support'' of the assertion that these rights really are useless, both to the projects and to the developers who hold them. However, I certainly think that such local communities should be given the opportunity to comment here (as should the devs themselves). I'll draw up a list of which wikis are affected, and we can make an effort to contact them about this discussion. |
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:::::::I'm not sure we need anything as elaborate as a full formal policy; a few words added to [[System administrators]] would probably be sufficient - that page needs overhauling anyway to focus more on how the devs' interact with Wikimedia. <font color="forestgreen">[[User:Happy-melon|'''Happy''']]</font>‑<font color="darkorange">[[w:en:User talk:Happy-melon|'''melon''']]</font> 13:34, 24 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:::I'm fine with having this setup as it seems to actually make sense rather then any of the older approaches. Still retaining the ability to move into different groups when needed/appropriate seems to be all that we need. If it makes administration easier and more consistent then I'm for it. If it ends up getting in the way then we can revisit but for now it seems fine. --[[User:Tfinc|Tfinc]] 21:10, 25 February 2009 (UTC) |
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I'll just say this: my adminship on the English Wikipedia was granted by due process, long before I became a developer, due to my work on Wikipedia articles. I'm proud to have it, and hope to keep it as long as local policy will allow, whether or not I remain a developer. I'm not concerned about the rest, and don't wish to be involved in any discussions about those rights. -- [[User:Tim Starling|Tim Starling]] 02:57, 26 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:Thanks for commenting, Tim, and you raise a good point, which is that not ''all'' of these flags were set in the course of the devs' work, just most of them. Upon compiling the table of flags that may be affected (there are 88 of them in total amongst seven devs!) I've also come to note that rights on fishbowl wikis and at www.mediawiki.org should be excluded. Barring those, there are flags on 74 wikis that may be affected. <font color="forestgreen">[[User:Happy-melon|'''Happy''']]</font>‑<font color="darkorange">[[w:en:User talk:Happy-melon|'''melon''']]</font> 08:51, 26 February 2009 (UTC) |
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::Hi, Tim thanks for commenting. What would you say about your bureaucrat right on English Wikipedia? Do you still want/need it? '''[[User:Majorly|<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#B05427">Majorly</span>]]''' <sup>''[[User talk:Majorly|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]''</sup> 23:15, 28 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:::I believe Tim's enwiki crat right was granted in the ordinary course of business (as opposed to Brion's enwiki crat right), which would indicate to me that the general rules (crat for life) apply. '''[[User:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFFF00;background-color: #0000FF;'>MBisanz</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFA500;'>talk</span>]]</sup> 03:31, 1 March 2009 (UTC) |
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:Also, if someone could look into it, is enwiki [[en:user:Jasonr]] a developer? He was given adminship for technical purposes, I think relating to the April 5, 2003 server crash, but otherwise has made 4 edits ever. Admins no longer can test things (that is why we have testwiki), and if he is a dev, shouldn't his adminship be converted to some sort of SVN/testwiki access? '''[[User:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFFF00;background-color: #0000FF;'>MBisanz</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFA500;'>talk</span>]]</sup> 01:43, 5 March 2009 (UTC) |
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::He already has an SVN account under "jasonr", it's probably fine for his adminship to be removed on the English Wikipedia — he's not active anymore, so he probably won't miss it. '''[[User:Cbrown1023|<span style="color:green">Cbrown1023</span>]]''' '''<small>[[User talk:Cbrown1023|<span style="color:#002bb8">talk</span>]]</small>''' 01:51, 5 March 2009 (UTC) |
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OK, so I've had a [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mike.lifeguard&oldid=1415503#Tidying_developers.27_user_rights.2C_redux request] to finish this off. I think there's support to do this, so I'm looking for any further objections at this point. I'll be contacting the users shortly, in case they've got something to add. The list Happy-Melon has provided appears to be accurate. Access which should have been turned off and which is no longer required will be removed. Access which is still likely to be needed, or where the user in question was elected through the normal methods will of course be left in place. Thanks — <b style="color:#309;">[[User:Mike.lifeguard|Mike]].[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|lifeguard]]</b> | <sup>[[:b:en:User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">@en.wb</span>]]</sup> 18:10, 5 March 2009 (UTC) |
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:There seems to be no objection, other than making sure that users retain all the rights for which they were elected. Conspicuously missing from this discussion has been their steward rights. AFAIK, they should be removed (in fact, should have been removed at the time that staff and/or sysadmin status was granted - those global groups were explicitly intended to replace their steward bits). — <b style="color:#309;">[[User:Mike.lifeguard|Mike]].[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|lifeguard]]</b> | <sup>[[:b:en:User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">@en.wb</span>]]</sup> 18:46, 5 March 2009 (UTC) |
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::For clarity, I'm planning to only remove permissions which obviously were intended to be temporary and which are no longer needed. In particular, that means I am not going to remove meta or enwiki permissions unless the community asks for that to be done (or the user, I guess). — <b style="color:#309;">[[User:Mike.lifeguard|Mike]].[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|lifeguard]]</b> | <sup>[[:b:en:User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">@en.wb</span>]]</sup> 23:46, 5 March 2009 (UTC) |
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''(From [[User talk:Mike.lifeguard]])'' As best I can determine, the rights break down as follows: |
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{| class="wikitable collapsible collapsed" |
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| Tim Starling || aawiki || 8 || Bureaucrat; Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || afwiki || 47 || Sysop |
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| Kate || angwikisource || 1 || Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || betawikiversity || 0 || Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || bgwikiquote || 0 || Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || bgwikisource || 2 || Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || bgwiktionary || 0 || Sysop |
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| Kate || bowiktionary || 2 || Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || cawiki || 16 || Sysop |
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| Kate || chowiki || 2 || Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || chrwiki || 1 || Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || commonswiki || 158 || Sysop |
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| Tim Starling || commonswiki || 67 || Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || cywikisource || 2 || Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || dawiki || 85 || Developer; Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || dewiki || 302 || Bureaucrat; Editor; Reviewer; Sysop |
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| Tim Starling || dewiki || 37 || Editor; Oversight |
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| Brion VIBBER || dewikibooks || 2 || Sysop |
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| RobH || enwikibooks || 0 || Editor; Reviewer |
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| Brion VIBBER || enwikibooks || 43 || Editor; Reviewer |
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| Brion VIBBER || enwikinews || 32 || Editor; Reviewer; Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || enwikiquote || 26 || Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || enwikisource || 10 || Checkuser; Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || enwikiversity || 5 || Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || enwiktionary || 194 || Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || eowiki || 1314 || Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || eswiki || 42 || Bureaucrat; Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || eswikisource || 0 || Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || fiwiki || 8 || Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || frwiki || 296 || Checkuser; Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || frwikiquote || 5 || Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || fywiki || 5 || Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || gawiki || 2 || Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || hewiki || 17 || Developer; Sysop |
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| Kate || howiki || 3 || Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || huwiki || 5 || Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || iawiki || 2 || Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || itwikiversity || 0 || Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || itwiktionary || 1 || Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || jawiki || 52 || Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || jawikisource || 0 || Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || jvwiki || 0 || Sysop |
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| Kate || kjwiki || 1 || Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || kowiki || 12 || Developer; Sysop |
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| Kate || krwiki || 2 || Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || lawiki || 106 || Sysop |
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| Kate || metawiki || 593 || Steward; Sysop |
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| RobH || metawiki || 3 || Bureaucrat; Steward |
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| ArielGlenn || metawiki || 118 || Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || metawiki || 2509 || Checkuser; Steward; Sysop |
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| Tim Starling || metawiki || 1019 || Bureaucrat; Checkuser; Steward; Sysop |
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| Kate || muswiki || 1 || Sysop |
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| Kate || ndswikiquote || 1 || Sysop |
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| Tim Starling || nlwiki || 14 || Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || plwiki || 31 || Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || qualitywiki || 0 || Bureaucrat; Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || sewikimedia || 0 || Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || slwiki || 5 || Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || sourceswiki || 18 || Sysop |
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| Tim Starling || sourceswiki || 25 || Import |
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| Brion VIBBER || specieswiki || 13 || Bureaucrat; Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || sqwiktionary || 0 || Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || suwiki || 2 || Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || svwiktionary || 2 || Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || thwiki || 4 || Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || tlhwiktionary || 9 || Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || tlwiki || 2 || Sysop |
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| Kate || tokiponawikiquote || 2 || Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || yiwiktionary || 0 || Sysop |
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! colspan=4 | Rights that '''should not''' be removed |
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| Brion VIBBER || enwiki || 9463 || Bureaucrat; Checkuser; Sysop |
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| JeLuF || enwiki || 4477 || Sysop |
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| Tim Starling || enwiki || 9197 || Bureaucrat; Sysop; Checkuser; Oversight |
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|- |
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| Brion VIBBER || testwiki || 131 || Bureaucrat; Checkuser; Editor; Oversight; Reviewer; Steward; Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || de_labswikimedia || 2 || Bureaucrat; Sysop |
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| Tim Starling || foundationwiki || 36 || Sysop |
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| ArielGlenn || foundationwiki || 4 || Bureaucrat; Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || foundationwiki || 244 || Sysop |
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| RobH || foundationwiki || 64 || Bureaucrat; Sysop |
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| Tfinc || foundationwiki || 37 || Sysop |
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| Tfinc || metawiki || 3615 || Import; Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || mediawikiwiki || 885 || Checkuser; Coder; Steward; Sysop |
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| Kate || mediawikiwiki || 37 || Bureaucrat; Sysop |
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| Tim Starling || mediawikiwiki || 315 || Coder; Sysop |
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| JeLuF || nostalgiawiki || 10 || Sysop |
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| Tim Starling || testwiki || 154 || Boardvote; Checkuser; Editor; Povwatch; Reviewer; Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || wikimania2005wiki || 4 || Bureaucrat; Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || wikimania2006wiki || 35 || Sysop |
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| Brion VIBBER || wikimania2007wiki || 32 || Sysop |
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I'm not even sure if some of the fishbowl wikis at the bottom are ''accessible'' through the CentralAuth network, but they might as well be left anyway. <font color="forestgreen">[[User:Happy-melon|'''Happy''']]</font>‑<font color="darkorange">[[w:en:User talk:Happy-melon|'''melon''']]</font> 12:56, 5 March 2009 (UTC) |
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Looks to me like some of these need to be double-checked: |
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*All the enwiki ones |
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*All the meta ones |
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Which I'll do now... — <b style="color:#309;">[[User:Mike.lifeguard|Mike]].[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|lifeguard]]</b> | <sup>[[:b:en:User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">@en.wb</span>]]</sup> 18:18, 5 March 2009 (UTC) |
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:As well, some of these are old... All developer rights have already been removed. I imagine this is simply due to replag. — <b style="color:#309;">[[User:Mike.lifeguard|Mike]].[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|lifeguard]]</b> | <sup>[[:b:en:User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">@en.wb</span>]]</sup> 18:28, 5 March 2009 (UTC) |
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:Probably; the s3 cluster was only synced this morning, so many of these data will be from before 5 January when the s3 replication was halted. Shall I recheck the data? |
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:With regards the meta and enwiki rights: I believe the ''local'' "steward" group is deprecated even for stewards, although there seems to be some lack of clarity here: I note that your promotion has involved you being given both the global ''and'' local "steward" flags; I'm not sure what's going on there. Checking the relevant processes on en.wiki, Kate is the only other dev to have passed a 'normal' RfA ([[w:Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Kate]]); none of the devs have passed an RfB or AFAIK been confirmed as CU/OS by the en.wiki Arbitration Committee. On meta, Tim and Brion's flags have both been removed; see [[Meta:Administrators/confirm/Archives/2009-01]] and [[Meta:Administrators/confirm/bureaucrat chat/January 2009#Brion VIBBER]], leaving them only the local steward group. <font color="forestgreen">[[User:Happy-melon|'''Happy''']]</font>‑<font color="darkorange">[[w:en:User talk:Happy-melon|'''melon''']]</font> 22:53, 5 March 2009 (UTC) |
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::That's because they are inactive in terms of admin work on Meta-wiki. Tim and Brion gained sysop rights through other means prior to their involvement as developers. Their removal should only come about if enwiki creates a desysopping policy, and they fail to meet it. '''[[User:Majorly|<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#B05427">Majorly</span>]]''' <sup>''[[User talk:Majorly|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]''</sup> 22:45, 5 March 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Tim and Kate, yes, I can't find any evidence that Brion ever gained +sysop in the 'normal' way. <font color="forestgreen">[[User:Happy-melon|'''Happy''']]</font>‑<font color="darkorange">[[w:en:User talk:Happy-melon|'''melon''']]</font> 23:03, 5 March 2009 (UTC) |
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::::Where's your evidence against? '''[[User:Majorly|<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#B05427">Majorly</span>]]''' <sup>''[[User talk:Majorly|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]''</sup> 23:40, 5 March 2009 (UTC) |
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''(End from [[User talk:Mike.lifeguard]])'' |
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:::::There are no [[w:Special:Whatlinkshere/User:Brion VIBBER|signatures]] of his on any RfA page where he could conceivably have been elected; there is no [[w:Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Brion Vibber]]. There is no rights-log entry for him gaining adminship; so either it was directly hacked into the database tables or it was granted prior to the creation of bureaucrats in 2004. [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2002-September/005183.html This] post to wikipedia-l shows that Brion was given dev access from sometime before September 2002, and [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2002-April/001709.html this] puts a lower limit in April 2002. I have reviewed the entire archives of wikipedia-l around this period, and can find no discussion of Brion's +sysop. Either he got it when Jimbo [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2002-March/001690.html sysopped] a "bunch" of people on 26 March 2002, or it was added unilaterally at some point thereafter. Either way, there was no community discussion. <font color="forestgreen">[[User:Happy-melon|'''Happy''']]</font>‑<font color="darkorange">[[w:en:User talk:Happy-melon|'''melon''']]</font> 11:18, 6 March 2009 (UTC) |
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::::::He had no RFA, and was granted the rights very early on. The fact he had no discussion is totally irrelevant. ''Many'' admins had no/limited discussion for adminship, so why should Brion be exempt. What would be the point in removing him, considering he is active there? '''[[User:Majorly|<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#B05427">Majorly</span>]]''' <sup>''[[User talk:Majorly|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]''</sup> 18:08, 6 March 2009 (UTC) |
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:::::::The fact that him having the explicit sysop flat implies that he is 'only' an administrator, if anything. As noted above, it's not a question of "removing him"; that's not something we can even consider enforcing on our CTO. But it's not something I can bring myself to get particularly worked up about; it's not like this is some crusade against the devs. If anything, as I say, removing their 'normal' rights on local projects ''solidifies'' their position as having essentially carte blanche to do whatever is necessary to improve Wikimedia. <font color="forestgreen">[[User:Happy-melon|'''Happy''']]</font>‑<font color="darkorange">[[w:en:User talk:Happy-melon|'''melon''']]</font> 22:14, 6 March 2009 (UTC) |
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In my view, Brion's en.wiki and eo.wiki admin rights should ''not'' be removed. If nothing else, consider the [[w:User:Clifford Adams|Clifford Adams]] precedent — that is, a user being granted +sysop on the basis of contributions to the Project. Brion has worked tirelessly for the past eight years on MediaWiki and on en.wiki and eo.wiki. The other rights, especially on wikis where he has few edits, I doubt he cares about (and in fact he has said on a number of occasions that he does). --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] 22:52, 7 March 2009 (UTC) |
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:I wasn't aware that Brion was active on eo.wiki, but if it is as you say, then I certainly don't have a problem with him retaining it. Overall the principle should, IMO, be that dev rights should be removed unless the devs wish otherwise, ''for whatever reason''; be that because they still need them for their work, or because like Tim above they have a genuine attachment to them. In neither case should we be making any attempt to 'force' the issue; that really would be playing with fire <tt>:D</tt> <font color="forestgreen">[[User:Happy-melon|'''Happy''']]</font>‑<font color="darkorange">[[w:en:User talk:Happy-melon|'''melon''']]</font> 11:07, 8 March 2009 (UTC) |
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{{done}} — <b style="color:#309;">[[User:Mike.lifeguard|Mike]].[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|lifeguard]]</b> | <sup>[[:b:en:User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">@en.wb</span>]]</sup> 21:07, 19 March 2009 (UTC) |
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== CPU load at 100% while loading a page. normal? == |
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Hello |
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when i am loading a page on my owm mediawiki my cpu load is gonig up to 100% during the page is loading. |
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it is the same problem under windows and under linux suse. |
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on my live system this effects the other sites because apache is need als cpu for loading my mediawiki. |
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is this normal? i am the only one whith this problem? |
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:You'll want to contact [[mail:mediawiki-l|mediawiki-l]] or [[irc:mediawiki|#mediawiki]] or [[mw:Project:Support desk|Project:Support desk]]. — <b style="color:#309;">[[User:Mike.lifeguard|Mike]].[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|lifeguard]]</b> | <sup>[[:b:en:User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">@en.wb</span>]]</sup> 18:48, 5 March 2009 (UTC) |
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:: And no, you are not the only one with this problem... [[User:Sj|-- sj]] <small>| [[Meta:Babylon|''help translate'']] |</small>[[User Talk:Sj|<font color="#ff6996">+</font>]] 04:21, 6 March 2009 (UTC) |
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== Objectivity???? == |
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When I read an article like this: |
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http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=91114 |
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It convinces me that those who say that Wikepedia is also a biased source of information are exactly right. You may include me in the list of those who will no longer accept Wikipedia as being any more authoritative than the garbage of the New York Times. |
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Lifsabsurd |
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:Wikipedia is indeed not a reliable source. But WP itself acknowledges this. [[User:Guido den Broeder|Guido den Broeder]] 11:52, 11 March 2009 (UTC) |
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:Wow, you are convinced by an article that references itself several times as proof its correct. Here's [http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp a better article]. Noticed how it references other sources besides itself. --[[en:User:MarsRover|MarsRover]] 01:30, 12 March 2009 (UTC) |
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== Problem in printing the PDF created by the Wiki Creat Book feature == |
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Hi, I created a PDF file from 7 pages of Wiki. But while taking printouts it showed a problem. The spaces between words is showing as a box in the printouts. Please let me know if there is any solution for this. |
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== translation == |
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hi, I don't know if this is the right place, I made a translation of the main page into my native language (venetian - veneto). I put it here: [[Pazina prinzipal]]. Can someone please link this page from the english main page? thank yu very much bye bye |
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== Changing MediaWiki header and sidebar == |
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Hi all, I am working on a project and am using MediaWiki. |
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My website currently has a sidebar and header of itself, and I would like to replace the original WikiMedia sidebar and header with my own by using PHP include or something of the sort. |
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However, I cannot find the file to edit to replace the sidebar and header. I would like all my changes to be made on the MonoBook skin |
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Does anyone know in which directory the sidebar and header can be changed? |
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Thank you very much for your help! |
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:You can change [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] and relevant system messages. Good luck!--[[User:Kwj2772|Kwj2772]] ([[User talk:Kwj2772|<span lang="ko-hani" xml:lang="ko-hani" class="description ko-hani">論</span>]]) 14:08, 18 March 2009 (UTC) |
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:You should also be asking this on the [[mw:|site about MediaWiki]]. They'd be more helpful than us. '''[[User:Cbrown1023|<span style="color:green">Cbrown1023</span>]]''' '''<small>[[User talk:Cbrown1023|<span style="color:#002bb8">talk</span>]]</small>''' 20:45, 18 March 2009 (UTC) |
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== Using wiki methods outside wiki == |
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Hello everybody, |
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I try to create an external page (just a search field, like the wikipeda splash screen with the search field) |
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before the main page of wiki is entered and don't get it to work properly. |
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I want to use some skin methods (like text(), msg(), and other methods from the wiki library but I just got |
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half of them working. I am not shure if I instantiate them at the right time or if I miss something. |
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For example if i do |
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<code> |
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$skin = $wgUser->getSkin(); |
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$skin->tooltipAndAccesskey( 'search-go' ); // --- print the 'search' label for button |
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</code> |
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works all ok. |
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But a |
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<code> |
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$tpl = new UcbTemplate(); // --- init skin 'ucb' |
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$tpl->text('searchaction'); // --- empty string |
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</code> |
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returns nothing but an empty string. |
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My main problem is I am not sure if I initialized everything the right why. I just want |
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to have that splash screen dynamic and try to get all the strings from the wiki definitons |
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just to be dynamic, so the user is able to switch languages of the splash screen and I do |
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not have to define all these strings in that splash screen (to prevent double work). So |
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basically I try to find a way to use the skin methods (also the inherited ones like msg, |
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text, etc |
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So the initialization part of my splash screen is just the ones that is used in the |
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index php, calling |
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<code> |
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require_once( "$preIP/includes/WebStart.php" ); |
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require_once( "$preIP/includes/Wiki.php" ); |
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$mediaWiki = new MediaWiki(); |
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</code> |
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If I print out the $skin object to see what in there nothing is initialized, I see |
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not the skin name 'ucb' and all that. So I think my initialization process is wrong |
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or I am missing something. I also googled for an hour but nothing similar turns |
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out. And first of I thought building a seperated / additional start page for wiki would be |
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simple just putting out some strings (defined in wiki) and making that search box, maybe |
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to integrate and outout of the newest additions in wiki. This would be alo interesting |
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if there is a class or method where I could put out newest wiki additions. |
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Can anybody give me a start point where to look or how to initialze wiki or in |
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what order I have to do the initialization part to use wiki methods? I am new to wiki |
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and try to find out how it works but that can't be done in one day also my time is a little |
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limited at this time. |
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So any help or hints are greatly appreciated. Maybe there is somebody out there |
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that did the same thing and can drop me some science on that. |
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Thanks in advance for your help. |
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Andreas W Wylach |
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== WikiPorn.org did exist for a while twice as a succesful independent entity. == |
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This project has become a reality not once but twice as a separate independent entity from Wikimedia and in both cases it has been deleted by outside sources. As in outside of the creator of the domain who both times had paid in full for the domain and server only to be nullified by the PTB even when the servers in question host adult content. Go figure that one out... |
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Anyhow at this point in time no Wiki containing adult material or subjects of any kind worth a damn exist anymore. That is a given. Much to the delight of of probably many here Oh well... |
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== WikiAtlas == |
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Hi. I did mention it at the Meta Wiki before but any discussion seems to get overidden with other discussions underneath and in the end it ends up being only two or three people commenting on it! I think that a WikiAtlas sister project would be a great idea and whereas with WikiMapia it is just a map with names, our own Atlas project could have the articles on wikipedia wiki linked on the atlas or at least a summary comes up when you hover over a place name etc so we take the maps a step further by actually providing information about these places by linking to wikipedia. Like WikiMini Atlas but obviously more professional looking maps and details, showing highways, towns and villages, evne landmarks like notable govenrment buildings and churches, airports etc with labels like wikimapia when you zoom in on them. It would also fit in with standard encyclopedias which always have a proper atlas for reference usually in the center. I just thinking that the information provided on maps should be part of our overall project goal to provide knowledge and the goal which [[WikiMapia]] is trying to achieve, "with the aim of describing the whole world" is pretty much our own philosophy within reason. I think the wiki project is large enough in scope to make it successful eventually. I know a great deal of people look for maps on the web of places for a reference but where we could differ from google and wikimapia in this respect we would have info summarised about these places too rather than just location. If given time to develop it might even help generate more traffic towards the site and project in the long term if more and more people use it for a reference when looking for maps too. I would very much like to help make something happen in this area, could you mention it to anybody on the board or suggest how we might start a fuller discussion on it? Thanks. [[User:Dr. Blofeld| <span style="border:1px solid blue;padding:1px;"> <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">'''''Dr. Blofeld'''''</font>]]</span> <sup>[[User talk:Dr. Blofeld| <font size="-4"><font color="Black">White cat</font></font color> ]]</sup> 11:32, 18 March 2009 (UTC) |
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If you are genuinely interested could you please mention it or suggest a way we can work towards making it happen?[[User:Dr. Blofeld| <span style="border:1px solid blue;padding:1px;"> <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">'''''Dr. Blofeld'''''</font>]]</span> <sup>[[User talk:Dr. Blofeld| <font size="-4"><font color="Black">White cat</font></font color> ]]</sup> 15:32, 23 March 2009 (UTC) |
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:Well it sounds interesting, but I don't have a clue how to go about making it happen I'm afraid. '''[[User:Majorly|<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#B05427">Majorly</span>]]''' <sup>''[[User talk:Majorly|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]''</sup> 14:26, 28 March 2009 (UTC) |
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== https / ssl interface? == |
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Is there any possibility of giving Wikimedia sites support for the https protocol? My school uses a content filter, and it's very annoying when I receive false positives on Wikipedia articles that are clearly safe. Has anyone considered it? |
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:https://secure.wikimedia.org <font color="forestgreen">[[User:Happy-melon|'''Happy''']]</font>‑<font color="darkorange">[[w:en:User talk:Happy-melon|'''melon''']]</font> 21:44, 23 March 2009 (UTC) |
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::That's very useful! Thank you. [[Special:Contributions/64.119.43.50|64.119.43.50]] 18:36, 24 March 2009 (UTC) |
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== Notifications on current page == |
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I'm having trouble finding information on the implementation of the notification service that generates a orange-spanned message on my current page when a new message on my talk page is saved. Any pointers would be appreciated. |
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I'm actually thinking about this in relation to a possible utility to generate small message flags that would appear on main pages on the border of sections that have corresponding talk_page comments (configured by the commenter to match an anchor placed on the main page section.) ----[[User:FGrose|FGrose]] 04:25, 25 March 2009 (UTC) |
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:Try [[mw:|MediaWiki.org]]. '''[[User:Cbrown1023|<span style="color:green">Cbrown1023</span>]]''' '''<small>[[User talk:Cbrown1023|<span style="color:#002bb8">talk</span>]]</small>''' 21:00, 25 March 2009 (UTC) |
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== Simple wiki attribution of enwiki == |
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I was asked to try to spot copyvios on [[simple:]] where somoene copied and pasted from enwiki. The question I'm asking is what is the best method of attributing enwikipedia from simple when an article's text is taken. I'm told that Special:Import only works for articles with less then 500 revisions... so what would be the proper way for simple to attribute enwiki? Currently they are using edit summaries or the talk page to attribute the article to enwiki. This is dissimilar to what enwiki does with content taken from say [[w:Catholic Encyclopedia]] etc which is to put a template at the bottom of the article saying where they incorporated the text. |
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So the question is what is the proper way to attribute across wikis? I have a feeling this is something that has already been addressed somewhere but I'm not finding it. —— '''[[user:nixeagle|<font color="navy">nix</font>]][[User talk:Nixeagle|<font color="red">eagle]]'''</font> 23:02, 26 March 2009 (UTC) |
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:To be clear this question is only related to when someone copies and pastes an enwiki article into simple. How do they properly attribute the enwiki version. —— '''[[user:nixeagle|<font color="navy">nix</font>]][[User talk:Nixeagle|<font color="red">eagle]]'''</font> 23:04, 26 March 2009 (UTC) |
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::What I do to generally give attribution is that if I were to make an article from the English Wikipedia on the Simple English Wikipedia called Flame Nebula, I would put Start stub based on [[:en:Flame Nebula]] in the edit summary. That is how I generally attribute across wikis. Hope this helps :). Cheers, [[User:Razorflame|<b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b>]][[User talk:Razorflame|<b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b>]] 23:33, 26 March 2009 (UTC) |
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:::I don't see any difference between this and the usual (encouraged) translation work across projects. We usually give simple attributions in the page history; if we want to be strict, we would provide the list of the last 5 major authors (which is observed in [[ja:]], I think). Hypothetically, there may be copyright problems when the original article happened to be deleted. [[V:user:JWSchmidt]] has some thoughts on it in one of his wikiversity blogs. [[User:Hillgentleman|Hillgentleman]] 18:27, 27 March 2009 (UTC) |
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*Whenever I take anything from en.wiki to another wiki, I simply writen "taken from ''permlink''", pasting the permlink of the revision I harvested in the edit summary upon creation. That should allow easy backtracking for attribution. –<font face="Verdana">[[User:Xeno|<font color="black">'''xeno'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Xeno|<font color="black">talk</font>]])</font> 06:08, 5 April 2009 (UTC) |
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== Why is it on topics... == |
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;Why is it on topics where there is a potential for harm to the general public is there not a section that allows for common sense warning statements |
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I have noticed that there have been several topic pages that have had what seemed to be common sense warning statements posted that would have been good information for the general public to have in order to better protect themselves from potential harm either to themselves or those important to them. |
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Two examples are a common sense warning involving the potential dangers to a persons computer where P2P file sharing of any type is concerned on the "Lime Wire" page, and on an even more important level a common sense statement warning people to simply research deeper into the dangers involving the possible adverse health effects of the most common artificial sweeteners on multiple pages involving those products. |
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Both of these statements (which were removed in a very short time frame) were listed in the areas of the articles involving criticisms or known problems of these specific items. |
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It would almost seem that any article involving a potential hazard where a profit is being made by someone is being very tightly "policed" by those with a vested interest in keeping knowledge of the potential harm to the public under wraps. |
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I would hope that a project that puts itself out there as something intended to bring all possible knowledge into the public light for the betterment of the common man (as described by your founder in a TV spot on the "USA" Network) would zealously protect the right of the public to know all sides and would not allow information that could prevent harm to be suppressed. |
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If I may make a suggestion - simply put a link to a subpage or a discussion board where such public safety minded warnings/statements could be posted without the threat of being removed by someone with an agenda involving keeping information out of the public view (for example a chemical company not wanting the public to know where to look for data challenging it's own PR statements about a highly profitable product) - with a disclaimer that the statements posted are not a part of the official article but are posted responses to the article involved and that the person viewing the sub page/discussion board should use the information contained therein as a potential starting point for further research of their own. |
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As a matter of fact I challenge you to take this bold step in the spirit of what Wikipedia has claimed itself to be. |
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Thanks |
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== Opt-in global sysops == |
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Hello. Comments are welcome on the draft policy for [[Global sysops|opt-in global sysops]]. Please don't comment about implementation, which is entirely up to the local wikis who choose to enable them. Rather, is the policy wording adequate? Are there situations it doesn't cover, or sentences that are too vague? Do you have suggestions? |
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Global sysops will be live (only on wikis that decide to enable them) once the first wiki enables them. —<small>[[User talk:Pathoschild/s|Pathoschild]] 22:24:35, 27 March 2009 (UTC)</small> |
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== Large problems with vandalism patrolling at Dutch Wikipedia == |
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Hello, I (homewiki: nl.wikipedia.org) don't know where to post this, so I post it here: |
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Since a few days it is not possible to view more than 500 edits in the Special:Recentchanges page (for resource limits?). At the Dutch wikipedia (nl.wikipedia.org) we have a vandalism system with 'patrolled versions', and have a backlog with +/- 2,000 pages. Our vandalism patrollers are now not able to patroll the oldest vandalism, from 16 march (already a week more than normal!). |
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It is not possible to use any other tools, only the Special:Recentchanges page were used to do this work, and external tools (such as VPopSpeed) does also not work. If there isn't soon (about 2 weeks from now) a solution to this problem, some of the vandalism will stay at our wikipedia without revert, so this problem should be taken seriously. |
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I have heard some wiki's also doubt with this problem, but at our system of vandalism patrolling it is now impossible to do the patrolling work as normal, we just can't do the vandalism patrolling properly and when there isn't a sollution soon, it will get really, really problematic! - [[User:Lolsimon|Lolsimon]] 01:24, 29 March 2009 (UTC) |
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ps: Why isn't it possible to see the oldest edits on a way like ''Special:RecentChanges&days=30&hideminor=0&hidepatrolled=1&hideliu=1&hidebots=1&limit=5000&from=20090316153000'''&to=...'''''? Can't the setting be reverted until this is possible, that would solve our problem and finally the resource limits problem (I have also posted it at bugzilla now, probably that is the right place and this isnt) - [[User:Lolsimon|Lolsimon]] 01:31, 29 March 2009 (UTC) |
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:Yes, the request on bugzilla is the appropriate venue. There is nothing we can do for you, though I hope the technical team is able to find a solution to this issue ASAP. — <b style="color:#309;">[[User:Mike.lifeguard|Mike]].[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|lifeguard]]</b> | <sup>[[:b:en:User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">@en.wb</span>]]</sup> 01:59, 29 March 2009 (UTC) |
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== Global IP Block Exempt Group == |
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I was thinking about this, and lets say a steward globally hard blocks a range with [[Special:GlobalBlock]]. It's unusual of course, but if it does happen, we might have users who haven't done nothing being affected by the block and won't be able to edit any wiki except Meta. This will fix that problem. I propose that we add a global IP block Exemption group which has ipblock-exempt. People requesting it would have to meet two requirements, you are affected by a global hard block, and are trusted not to abuse the tools. What do you have to say about this? [[User:Techman224|<font color="339933">'''Techman224'''</font>]][[User talk:Techman224|<font color="3300ff">'''<sup>Talk</sup>'''</font>]] 18:50, 29 March 2009 (UTC) |
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:Bad idea, we implemented this at enwiki and have found it difficult to monitor that the right is being used properly. Also, I don't think some projects would like their hardblocks being overrode without contest, which is what the Whitelist part of GlobalBlock fixes, there would not be a way to do that with global IPBE except by violating the privacy policy and disclosing what IP range the person getting the right is on. '''[[User:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFFF00;background-color: #0000FF;'>MBisanz</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFA500;'>talk</span>]]</sup> 06:07, 30 March 2009 (UTC) |
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::There had been some discussion about this a while back. I think folks weren't interested because there's really no use for it. I don't see any pressing need, and it is quite difficult to ensure proper use, as MBisanz points out, even on one wiki. Cross-wiki would of course be an even bigger problem. I don't think we need the hassle. — <b style="color:#309;">[[User:Mike.lifeguard|Mike]].[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|lifeguard]]</b> | <sup>[[:b:en:User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">@en.wb</span>]]</sup> 06:10, 30 March 2009 (UTC) |
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== NYT suggestion == |
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After reading the [http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/weekinreview/29cohen.html NYT's] piece on WP, I had a thought about a partnership that might create some interesting results. The NYT's website has that Reference Search feature where you can click on a word and be shown a brief definition of it from Answers.com. It might be worth seeing if the NYTs would integrate WP into that search so that people clicking on '''Hillary Clinton''' would be taken to our [[w:Hillary Clinton|Hillary Clinton]] article or clicking '''Importance''' would go to our [[wikt:importance|importance]] piece. Thoughts? '''[[User:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFFF00;background-color: #0000FF;'>MBisanz</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFA500;'>talk</span>]]</sup> 06:02, 30 March 2009 (UTC) |
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== Something's wrong with Wikipedia == |
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I try editing the pages over there, but I can't. I get this message:<br/> |
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"This wiki has a problem. <br/> |
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Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties. |
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Try waiting a few minutes and reloading. |
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(Cannot contact the database server: Unknown error (10.0.0.235))". |
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Is anyone else experiencing that? --<font face="comic sans">[[User:Crackthewhip775|<span style="color:#C66">Wh</span><span style="color:#600">ip</span> <span style="color:#C33">it</span><span style="color:#900">!</span>]] [[User talk:Crackthewhip775|<sup>Now whip it good!</sup>]]</font> 23:32, 30 March 2009 (UTC) |
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:Yep. The devs are working on it. See http://techblog.wikimedia.org/2009/03/english-wikipedia-database-temporarily-down/ [[User:J.delanoy|<font color="green">J'''.'''delanoy</font>]][[User Talk:J.delanoy|<sup><font color="red">gabs</font></sup>]][[Special:Contributions/J.delanoy|<font color="blue"><sub>adds</sub></font>]] 23:34, 30 March 2009 (UTC) |
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::...and it's been resolved. — <b style="color:#309;">[[User:Mike.lifeguard|Mike]].[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|lifeguard]]</b> | <sup>[[:b:en:User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">@en.wb</span>]]</sup> 23:40, 30 March 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Thanks. --<font face="comic sans">[[User:Crackthewhip775|<span style="color:#C66">Wh</span><span style="color:#600">ip</span> <span style="color:#C33">it</span><span style="color:#900">!</span>]] [[User talk:Crackthewhip775|<sup>Now whip it good!</sup>]]</font> 23:44, 30 March 2009 (UTC) |
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== How can I provide a default content to a new page? == |
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Hello everybody. |
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I have the need to provide a default structure for ALL new pages that users create (better still would be to provide default content for all new pages in a specified namespace only). |
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Let's say I' d like to provide default sections like: |
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<pre>==Summary== |
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== Plot == |
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==Characters==</pre> |
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For my movie Wiki, so that all users will just have to fill in the blanks. |
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Is it possibile? |
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Thx |
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:[http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Creating_pages_with_preloaded_text Yes] [[User:Kropotkine 113|Kropotkine 113]] 11:59, 31 March 2009 (UTC) |
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*Simply put, you can use the <tt><nowiki><inputbox></inputbox</nowiki></tt>, setting the <tt>preload=the_template_page</tt>, e.g. |
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<inputbox> |
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type=create |
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preload=template:welcome |
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default=newpagename |
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</inputbox> |
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[[User:Hillgentleman|Hillgentleman]] 15:54, 31 March 2009 (UTC) |
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== How can I copy an infobox template properly? Is something missing or not updated? == |
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Hello! I have a problem in copying some kind of templates into Turkmen wikipedia. I usually copy any template with its transcluded templates and it works. Then I localize it. However when I copied an infobox template with its transcluded templates everything was OK, but it appears on the left side and with no border lines. I guess I missed something of which I have no idea at all. |
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Last time I copied infobox template:Infobox Monarch from English wiki to http://tk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_Monarch as it is. When I copied this template used in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osman_I to http://tk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osman_I with all the transcluded templates, everything was OK. But it just appeared at the left side of the page (and without a border line). (Would you please copy that ready infobox in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osman_I to http://tk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osman_I and see what happens) Something is wrong or missing about which I have no idea. May be You can help me or direct me to someone or somewhere to ask for help. It would be much appreciated. If you can help me I will localize it as soon as possible and many more other necessary templates. Kind regards--[[User:Hanberke|Hanberke]] 12:28, 1 April 2009 (UTC) |
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:I think you need to add some code to your [[tk:user:hanberke/monobook.css]] (if that is for yourself) or [[tk:mediawiki:common.css]] (if that is for everyone). [[User:Hillgentleman|Hillgentleman]] 18:02, 1 April 2009 (UTC) |
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: Thanks a lot but I didn't get your answer. Would you please explain it? what is '''some code'''?! --[[User:Hanberke|Hanberke]] 04:32, 2 April 2009 (UTC) |
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::I was referring to the section under <tt>/* Infobox template style */</tt>. But I don't see any problem with the infobox_monarch - it looks just like one on [[en:]] and it is sitting on the right hand side. [[User:Hillgentleman|Hillgentleman]] 11:20, 3 April 2009 (UTC) |
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== Global Abuse Filters == |
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Over the next few days, I hope to deploy global abuse filters, which I've developed. |
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As part of this, to make them actually useful, the abuse filter extension needs to be active (even if local filters are forbidden) on all of Wikimedia. This is a big and potentially sensitive move. What do we think of it? |
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For reference, here are the wikis currently with the Abuse Filter: |
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<source lang="php"> |
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'wmgUseAbuseFilter' => array( |
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'default' => false, // not ready yet |
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'testwiki' => true, // in test config -- brion 2009-01-26 |
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'mediawikiwiki' => true, // Expanding test, Andrew 2009-02-19 |
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'metawiki' => true, // Andrew 2009-02-24 -- No objections at http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meta:Babel&oldid=1402855#Abuse_Filter_testing |
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'dewiki' => true, // Andrew 2009-02-24 Requested by DaB, with custom settings. |
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'nowiki' => true, // Andrew 2009-02-25 Requested by Tubarao per consensus at http://no.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Tinget&oldid=5171547#AbuseFilter |
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'ruwiki' => true, // Andrew 2009-03-01 Bug 17729 |
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'enwikisource' => true, // Andrew 2009-03-06 Requested by jayvdb per consensus at http://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Scriptorium&oldid=1013862#AbuseFilter |
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'arwiki' => true, // Andrew 2009-03-11 Bug 17902 |
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'enwiki' => true, // brion 2009-03-18 disabled for perf problems, needs investigating |
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// Andrew 2009-03-18 Bug 15684 |
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'plwiki' => true, // Andrew 2009-03-24 bug 18073 |
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'commonswiki' => true, // Andrew 2009-03-24 bug 18094 |
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'svwiki' => true, // Andrew 2009-03-24 bug 18102 |
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'enwikiquote' => true, // Andrew 2009-03-29 http://en.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=Wikiquote:Village_pump&oldid=925413#AbuseFilter |
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'hewiki' => true, // Andrew 2009-04-01 bug 18300 |
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'tpiwiki' => true, // Andrew 2009-04-01 bug 18299 |
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), |
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</source> |
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Note that the vast majority of large wikis are there. [[User:Werdna|Werdna]] 13:53, 1 April 2009 (UTC) |
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*I guess, it's worth having a go at it - if Brion agrees. If it breaks something, switch it off and repair. ;) --[[User:Thogo|Thogo]] <small>([[User talk:Thogo|talk]])</small> 13:58, 1 April 2009 (UTC) |
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*{{support}} I think it would be Great if we could have it in all wikis.but who will have access to edit Global Abuse Filters, meta admins or stewards or ... ? --[[User:Mardetanha|<font face="Rage Italic" size="4" style="color:#000000;color:black"><i>Mardetanha</i></font>]] <sup><span style="font-family:Italic;color:black">[[user_talk:Mardetanha|talk]]</span></sup> 13:59, 1 April 2009 (UTC) |
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*:To be decided. I think stewards. Also note that any wiki which cares can opt out, but will have to deal with the extra vandalism. [[User:Werdna|Werdna]] 14:02, 1 April 2009 (UTC) |
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*{{support}} Should definitely be stewards only access in my opinion, Meta-admin is a local, not a global right. [[User:Finnrind|Finn Rindahl]] 14:15, 1 April 2009 (UTC) |
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*Given that the impetus for requesting global filters was to block spam, I'm not sure I see a huge issue with allowing Meta sysops access. That said, I'm [[bugzilla:4459#c12|not convinced]] this is ready to replace spam blacklist, I don't think we'll be using it for that. Until then, I'd support steward access only. — <b style="color:#309;">[[User:Mike.lifeguard|Mike]].[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|lifeguard]]</b> | <sup>[[:b:en:User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">@en.wb</span>]]</sup> 00:56, 2 April 2009 (UTC) |
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*Is it possible to opt-out of global filters? Some communities, e.g. enwiki, already have a very active abuse filter community and there would seem to be a lot of potential for accidental duplication of filters. Also, is a hit against a global filter logged locally or globally or both? [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] 01:09, 5 April 2009 (UTC) |
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** Local opt-out is possible, logging is both local and global. [[User:Werdna|Werdna]] 05:28, 5 April 2009 (UTC) |
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*What kind of filters could be global, really ? Vandalism filters would heavily depend on the language, and I assume running them simultaneously would have a non-negligible impact on performance. For spam filters, maybe. But it should definitely be stewards access only, and local projects should be allowed to opt out. <strong><span style="font-family:Monotype;">[[User:Cenarium|<font color="#000080">Cenarium</font>]][[User_talk:Cenarium|<font color="#000090"> (Talk)</font>]]</span></strong> 01:19, 5 April 2009 (UTC) |
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*:Global filters could be used against some cross-wiki vandals, but they could have unexpected effects on certain wikis. A feature to make global testing would be great. <strong><span style="font-family:Monotype;">[[User:Cenarium|<font color="#000080">Cenarium</font>]][[User_talk:Cenarium|<font color="#000090"> (Talk)</font>]]</span></strong> 02:39, 5 April 2009 (UTC) |
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*{{Oppose}}: Managing the load the abuse filter adds to each edits has been quite difficult. Adding global filters would suck up even more processing time on each edit, and many of these checks are totally irrelevant on the wikis they are being run on. Already I have had to disable many of enwikis filters to keep the server load manageable, and large edits from timing out. One low load filter is fine, but if you start adding 20 or 30 global filters, then you have a problem. In effect, this would reduce the number of local filters a wiki can have, with (mostly) irrelevant global filters. [[User:Prodego|<font color="darkgreen">''Prodego''</font>]] <sup>[[w:User talk:Prodego|<font color="darkgreen">talk</font>]]</sup> 03:59, 5 April 2009 (UTC) |
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** Local opt-out is possible. [[User:Werdna|Werdna]] 05:28, 5 April 2009 (UTC) |
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***Perhaps only projects without AbuseFilter enabled? Since abuse filter is somewhat opt in at the moment. [[User:Prodego|<font color="darkgreen">''Prodego''</font>]] <sup>[[w:User talk:Prodego|<font color="darkgreen">talk</font>]]</sup> 05:29, 5 April 2009 (UTC) |
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That performance problem is pretty much unique to English Wikipedia. [[User:Werdna|Werdna]] 05:37, 5 April 2009 (UTC) |
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*{{Support}} as long as local wikis can opt-out and its restricted to stewards only. –<font face="Verdana">[[User:Xeno|<font color="black">'''xeno'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Xeno|<font color="black">talk</font>]])</font> 06:03, 5 April 2009 (UTC) |
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== Wikimedia Quality == |
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I've made a proposal at [[Proposals for closing projects/Closure of Wikimedia Quality]] to close the Quality Wiki, comments are welcome. '''[[User:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFFF00;background-color: #0000FF;'>MBisanz</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFA500;'>talk</span>]]</sup> 04:19, 3 April 2009 (UTC) |
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== I do not see the Gujarati language listed on the metawiki == |
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Why is it that Gujarati Language is not listed in the selection box of languages? Besides, I have one question. I wrote contributed to the article Sardar Patel University on English Wiki. For that I also created the Infobox and uploaded the images to English Wikipedia. Now based on the same article, I am writing it in gu.wikipedia.org in Gujarati. Do I need to upload the images separately on gu.wikipedia.org? What is the way out if I am using the same images in English Wikipedia and Gujarati Wikipedia? |
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Thanks in advance for your help. |
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[[User:Dineshjk|<span style="font-family: Bradley Hand ITC; font-size: 14pt">'''Dr. Dinesh Karia'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Dineshjk|<span style="color:pink">(Talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Dineshjk|(contribs)]]</sup> 05:18, 3 April 2009 (UTC) |
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Wikiwebsites[edit]
Hi, we did add a proposition for a new project. We would be glad to have your feedbacks. Here it is : https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikiwebsites
It's about a "Library of free projects" (excluding software). Art, science, architecture, comics, movies, pictures,... which can be found under Creative commons licences, but also Open hardware, GFDL, public domain, Art Libre, FOIA… Graineahumus (talk)
Wikimedia role in protecting engagement of racism topics.[edit]
I am concerned that wikimedia does not so far protect marginalized voices from getting bans in the admin process. It would seem talking about racism is insulting to admins. This would cause a chilling effect on the topic itself. I am not sure how productive this is and Wikimedia has a role to play since most admins are entrenched and will protect each other from the topic if it focuses on discrimination in the admin processes. Deathmolor (talk) 15:33, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
- Why ? —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 14:25, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
Banner policies and NPOV[edit]
Hi. I'm curious about whether Wikimedia projects are expected to follow NPOV with their banners and website activities.
I visited Arabic WP (got tagged about an Arabic version of an article I wrote). The Arabic WP has a banner that supports the Gaza/Hamas side of the current war with Israel. The Arabic WP also closed down for a day in opposition to the war. Did the Hebrew Wikipedia do something similar for the Israeli side?
Was there discussion on Wikimedia about using Wikipedia to support a political side? What Wikimedia policies pertain to such banners or website activities?
Thanks in advance! ProfGray (talk) 13:54, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- @ProfGray: Relevant discussion: Requests for comment/Community consensus for blackouts and other advocacy and Requests for comment/Violating the Neutral point of view in Arabic Wiki. SCP-2000 14:22, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for sharing those discussions. Leaving aside the 24 hour website closure, I'm still curious whether NPOV applies to Wikimedia project banners. Seems maybe not, though that strikes me as a problem for the look and feel of WP as a neutral source of knowledge. ProfGray (talk) 15:41, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- @ProfGray NPOV is a Wikipedia content policy, originating in the 5 pillars. Outside of content it doesn't have too much influence. Communities are allowed to have opinions, voice those opinions and, if the situation has direct impact on their work, or ability to work on the project, advocate for those opinions when their community so decides and within legal boundaries and the Terms of Service. At the same time, they are to weigh this against the point that Wikipedia is not to be used as a soapbox and attention beacon. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 14:21, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for sharing those discussions. Leaving aside the 24 hour website closure, I'm still curious whether NPOV applies to Wikimedia project banners. Seems maybe not, though that strikes me as a problem for the look and feel of WP as a neutral source of knowledge. ProfGray (talk) 15:41, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia Maps has no railroads[edit]
i found no better place to address this: maps.wikipedia.org only shows a map with no meta page about it. The only link on it is to the terms of use which are on foundation and protected from comments from the lesser public 8but would not really be the right place for this anyway). So I do not find any explanation about the rationale and choices made in providing the maps service, and no discussion place for it. When encountering a Wikipedia Maps snippet on a Wikipedia page (example: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Untere%C3%9Ffeld ), and using the "fullscreen" switch to show the map in full, I notice that the map only shows streets and water but not railroads. I am convinced that streets and railroads are both equally important modes of transport and I am perturbed by the omission of one of them altogether. 2A02:810D:243F:F32C:6DAA:F584:7F5A:8C3 13:54, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Unfortunately the maps service doesn't get a lot of support from WMF, so changes to it are pretty rare. Additionally, the maps support thousands of features and it cannot be a satisfactory map to all users at once, as people have different needs (Most people would not want to see all busstops and trash points, but some do). You can file a ticket in phab: for the feature request and I would encourage you to do so, but it is unlikely to be fixed in the short term. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 09:32, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Could someone administrator move the following pages to capitalize their title as the others pages of the series :
Thank you ! Yug (talk) 17:11, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- This requires a sysadmin to do. You are welcome to file a Phabricator task requesting it be done. Personally, while my opinion carries no technical weight, I would talk to the Wikimedia Foundation brand team first before moving their cheese like this. * Pppery * it has begun 04:43, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
When will Termbase be revived?[edit]
Termbase used to be a great resource for anybody trying to bridge language gap on Metawiki. Why do we abondon such common tool? Are we sure we are equipped to share knowledge, if we imply a single word in different ideas? Have we not invented many jargons/Wikimedia specific terms which traps you to miscommunicate (?_?) -- Omotecho (talk) 13:46, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Termbase was not explicitly abandoned. The entire Movement Strategy and Governance page and all its subpages were marked as historical in one fell swoop. I think it would be reasonable to resurrect it and implement Xeno (WMF)'s original proposal from phab:T314007 to move it out of limbo. * Pppery * it has begun 17:48, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Personally speaking as a member of the former MSG team, I would not object to moving Termbase out of MSG's page setup to somewhere where it could be more beneficial for Meta translators. RamzyM (WMF) (talk) 02:58, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Feedback invited on Procedure for Sibling Project Lifecycle[edit]
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Dear community members,
The Community Affairs Committee (CAC) of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees invites you to give feedback on a draft Procedure for Sibling Project Lifecycle. This draft Procedure outlines proposed steps and requirements for opening and closing Wikimedia Sibling Projects, and aims to ensure any newly approved projects are set up for success. This is separate from the procedures for opening or closing language versions of projects, which is handled by the Language Committee or closing projects policy.
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Announcing the first Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee[edit]
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