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''There was I discussion on general aspects of what should be marked up in wikipedia (names, places, dates/times...). since [[Wikipedia DTD]] is about an XML representation of the current syntax I moved it to [[Talk:Simple ideology of Wikitax]]'' --[[User:Nichtich|Nichtich]] 01:36 Feb 7, 2003 (UTC) |
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''<nowiki><![CDATA[do [not] parse <this>]]></nowiki>'' |
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:I've never been quite clear on how CDATA sections work. If my data includes a raw "]]>", how do I encode it? --[[User:Brion VIBBER|Brion VIBBER]] 06:44 Jan 23, 2003 (UTC) |
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:*<nowiki><![CDATA[just]]></nowiki>''']]&gt;'''<nowiki><![CDATA[split]]></nowiki> |
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''<link system="wiki" href="image:Wiki.png"/>'' |
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Image links are functionally different from regular wiki links, as they embed images. It would be best to use a distinct tag. --[[User:Brion VIBBER|Brion VIBBER]] 07:03 Jan 23, 2003 (UTC) |
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:You're right. I suggest: |
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Link to the '''page''' of the image: |
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<tt><nowiki>[[:image:Wiki.png]] |
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<link system="wiki" href="image:Wiki.png"/></nowiki></tt> |
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Embed image/media/file/... |
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<tt><nowiki>[[image:Wiki.png]] <media href="image:Wiki.png"/></nowiki></tt> |
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I prefer <tt>media</tt> because we only embed media objects and |
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<tt>embed</tt> could mean something link "embed the content of another page". |
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See also discussion on special pages below. |
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''<nowiki><link system="wiki" href="Wikipedia FAQ"/></nowiki>'' |
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... |
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''<nowiki><url href="http://www.wikipedia.org"/></nowiki>'' |
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... |
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''<nowiki><mail to="webmaster@wikipedia.org"/></nowiki>'' |
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These seem overcomplicated. Wouldn't it be simpler (in an XML way) to use the same tag for all links, and just have a wiki-specific URI? eg: |
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*local wiki link: [[Main Page]] |
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**<link href="wiki:Main_Page">Main Page</link> |
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*interwiki link: [[MeatBall:CommunityExpectation]] |
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**<link href="wiki://MeatBall/CommunityExpectation">MeatBall:CommunityExpectation</link> |
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*interlanguage link: <nowiki>[[eo:DTD de Vikipedio]]</nowiki> |
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**<link href="wiki://EsperantoWikipedia/DTD_de_Vikipedio" rel="language" lang="eo" /> |
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*remote non-wiki link: [http://slashdot.org/ Slashdot] |
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**<nowiki><link href="http://slashdot.org/">Slashdot</link></nowiki> |
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*ISBN: ISBN 0-201-89683-4 |
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**<nowiki><link href="isbn:0201896834">ISBN 0-201-89683-4</link></nowiki> |
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Upon (possible) reconversion to wiki syntax, the parser could use the most efficient form of representation available in that particular wiki syntax for that type of link. |
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*No redundancy please |
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*An XML syntax should code information in tags and attributes. parsing strings is ugly and less efficient. |
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*The difference between interwiki links and local wiki links depends on the application. Try to edit <tt>test:baz</tt> since now it's a valid name but maybe there will be a "test"-wiki in the future. |
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*interlanguage links are a special topic. We could use a special tag: <pre><interlanguage href="eo:DTD_de_Vikipedio"/></pre> |
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*How about <tt>link system="url"</tt> for external links instead of <tt>url</tt> and <tt>email</tt>? |
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--[[User:Nichtich|Nichtich]] 22:34 Feb 2, 2003 (UTC) |
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It could be useful to code |
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<pre>User:Foo => <link system="wiki" space="user" href="Foo"/> |
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Talk:Bar => <link system="wiki" space="talk" href="Bar"/></pre> |
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and in other languages |
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<pre>Benutzer:Foo => <link system="wiki" space="user" href="Foo"/> |
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Diskussion:Bar => <link system="wiki" space="talk" href="Bar"/></pre> |
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But how to handle a page like: |
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<pre>Talk:User:Foo</pre> |
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Also possible (for instance in the german Wikipedia): |
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<pre>Diskussion:Talk:User:Foo</pre> |
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--[[User:Nichtich|Nichtich]] 21:59 Feb 2, 2003 (UTC) |
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===notes on paragraphs=== |
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Manual Paragraphs with the <tt>p</tt> tag are pretty ugly to handle. |
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Try: |
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<pre><p>Hi! This is a paragraph |
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with an empty line in it.</p></pre> |
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You get: |
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<pre><p>Hi! This is a paragraph |
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<p> |
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with an empty line in it.</p> |
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</pre> |
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but the valid syntax is |
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<pre><p>Hi! This is a paragraph</p> |
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<p>with an empty line in it.</p></pre> |
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Why can't we just remove all invalid HTML-Tags? :-( |
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IMHO the interlanguage-link would be better like |
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<pre><interlanguage lang="eo" href="DTD_de_Vikipedio"/></pre> |
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That way you give more information without the need of parsing |
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the content of href. [[User:Lothar Kimmeringer|Lothar Kimmeringer]] 02:37, 15 Sep 2003 (UTC) |
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How about a definition of the term DTD right up front as in this external link:<BR> |
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http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/Document+Type+Definition |
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== Need a rationale for creating a custom DTD == |
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Why would we create and support a fit-to-purpose DTD, when everything we use in MediaWiki is already available in [http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.2/ DocBook XML] or even [http://nwalsh.com/docbook/simple/ Simplified DocBook]? |
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There are many excellent tools for converting Docbook XML to various other document formats -- HTML, RTF, PostScript and PDF. It's a well-accepted standard for document markup, and it would thus be useful for readers and for downstream publishers. |
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Creating a custom DTD would mean that we'd have to create processors from scratch. If DocBook (or another existing XML document format) meets our needs, what's the point? --[[User:Evan|Evan]] 00:43, 16 Dec 2003 (UTC) |
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