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June 2

Institute for Legislative Analysis Deletion

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Good Evening, this is now the second time the Institute for Legislative Analysis page has been deleted. I am both requesting both its un-deletion and a review by admin into the past deletion actions on the basis of WP:COI. Upon the original flagging of the page for deletion (roughly two weeks ago) I made a long list of edits in an attempt to appease those seeking the deletion for WP:ORGCRITE. I added these additional four sources to meet WP:ORGCRITE: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/new-conservative-group-grades-lawmakers-limited-government-principles-see-where-yours-stands; https://www.gillettenewsrecord.com/news/wyoming/article_17db6053-4975-5b50-b1e0-3fe3ef4e4317.html; https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/2453025/nikki-haley-tops-limited-government-score-card/; https://marylandmatters.org/2023/06/14/political-notes-a-new-scorecard-gop-claims-vindication-in-poll-and-perezs-new-post/. Despite the additions and edits made, these individuals still sought to delete ILA alleging it is not a notable organization. To be clear, any objective and rational review of the ILA’s work and influence confirms it is a major player in conservative politics. ILA’s CEO was recently named one of the 500 most influential people in public policy due to ILA’s work - https://www.washingtonian.com/2024/05/02/washington-dcs-500-most-influential-people-of-2024/?__cf_chl_tk=6efEngfVVSbtKjs3ytmihacmdrBsnFaeLcmivLKBr_E-1717299913-0.0.1.1-9001. Plus, if that was all not enough, I learned a couple of days ago that the ILA is closely followed by Members of Congress. In fact, over two dozen U.S. Representatives posted about a recent ILA report in the last 48 hours alone. Upon reviewing a couple lawmaker posts, I learned that the ILA is actually an entity of the Conservative Partnership Institute – the most powerful MAGA org tied to President Trump and Mark Meadows. Therefore, I thought I could finally without a doubt put the entire debate to rest - there are countless articles that demonstrate the notability of CPI, including an extensive one from the New York Times. This solved every possible concern those seeking to delete ILA could have. I was in the process of adding additional documentation to the ILA page (such as financial disclosures on CPI and ILA with same address, members of Congress acknowledgement, etc.). However, before I could make the updates to the ILA page, it was deleted for yet the 2nd time. Since the ILA is one of the top players in conservative politics I could not understand why the page was coming under such attack for deletion. Therefore, I started looking at the profiles of those seeking its deletion. Interestingly, they appear to be philosophically progressive. While I am unsure if there is a political motivation behind their advocacy to delete the page, I think it is fair to say they probably do not have much understanding of conservative politics, especially compared to someone myself who closely follows conservative non-profits. But perhaps even more interesting, when doing additional research into ILA’s financials, I found out that the American Conservative Union has filed a lawsuit against the ILA claiming multiple counts of “unfair competition in the marketplace”. Apparently, both of the orgs produce scorecards. And it just so happens that these deletion flags came around the same time as the filing of the lawsuit. Thank you for your help in this matter and work to uphold the integrity of Wikipedia. Politicalorganizationjunkie (talk) 04:55, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

This isn't the forum for either one of your purposes. Undeletion is requested at this page, and requesting the review of an administrator action is done at WP:AARV. 331dot (talk) 06:37, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Actually, since Institute for Legislative Analysis was deleted after an AfD, the correct place to appeal the deletion is WP:DRV. Victor Schmidt (talk) 08:52, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Module for handling text contrast

Hi. I'm working on {{Nominee table}} and couldn't find a module that would handle color of text on different colored backgrounds. Is one avilable? Thanks. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 06:57, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Fixing mistakes and adding our contribution x

Hello! I represent the Canadian hip hop group Conspirituality from Vancouver B.C. We formed the Group in 2007 and are still active in 2024. In 2011 two academics took our name, wrote an academic journal called the Emergence of Conspirituality. In the journal we are cited as the inventors of the Word Conspirituality. We first used the word in 2003. And our Wikipedia page was taken over and rewritten with out mentioning us. In 2018 adding insult to injury a podcast also took our name, briefly citing us on their website home page as the creators of the word. No one has ever contacted us. I’m not looking to cause issues. I just wanted to contact you guys because I want to correct some things properly and be added to the wiki page. We deserve to be part of the conversation, we have more than enough evidence and receipts and there’s mistakes and lies on the page as we speak. I was hoping that someone who reads this might be able to help me with some advice and some guidance on how to do, everything properly Thank you Gemineye (Conspirituality) Therealconspirituality (talk) 11:02, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Added to Conspirituality#Characterization. Cabayi (talk) 11:44, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

The article wasn't taken over by the current content. The current content was first written in 2020. The article about your group was deleted in 2011 following a discussion, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Conspirituality. – robertsky (talk) 11:50, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for sharing that, I appreciate knowing that. We didn’t create the page and did not know at the time, that it was not made properly. This is the exact reason I wanted to contact someone on here, to find out the situation Does this mean 14 years later, we are not allowed to try again? We are cited in an academic journal of Contemporary religion as the creators of the word Conspirituality (certainly we should be at least mentioned now in the conversation for our contribution) ????? The page now states that the writers of the journal created the term ( Which is not true, we are mentioned in the first note of the journal, we have also been written about in two published books, we have an IMDb page, and movie credits for a documentary we are featured in. Thank you for taking the time to inform me, it is greatly appreciated 142.183.237.254 (talk) 12:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia doesn't really want you to write about yourself. If you are a notable group (see WP:N and/or WP:GNG) then someone will write an article about you. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:42, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

The best course of action would be to gather indepth coverage of your organization from reliable and independent sources, then post the request at appropriate section of Wikipedia:Requested articles. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 14:58, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Payment method

Need to update credit card 174.16.184.9 (talk) 14:30, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

No payment is required to access Wikipedia content. If you wish to donate please see Wikipedia:Contact us/Donors. You might also be interested in familiarizing yourself with Wikipedia finances. Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:50, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

See also donate:Cancel or change recurring giving. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:51, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Officeholder table misalignment

Could somebody please fix this table? The table formating isn't very intuitive IMHO.

List of chairmen of the Free German Youth

No.	Portrait	Name	Took office	Left office	Time in office	Party	Second Secretary
First Secretary of the Central Council of the Free German Youth Erster Sekretär des Zentralrates der Freien Deutschen Jugend
1		Honecker, ErichErich Honecker (1912–1994)	7 March 1946	27 May 1955 (reached age limit)	9 years, 81 days	SED	Edith Baumann (1946–1949) Gerhard Heidenreich (1949–1950) Helmut Hartwig (1950–1951) Werner Felfe (1954–1957)
2		Namokel, KarlKarl Namokel (1927–1988)	27 May 1955	15 May 1959 (not re-elected)	3 years, 353 days	SED	Werner Felfe (1954–1957)
3		Schumann, HorstHorst Schumann (1924–1993)	15 May 1959	13 May 1967 (reached age limit)	7 years, 363 days	SED	Günther Jahn (1966–1967)
4		Jahn, GüntherGünther Jahn (1930–2015)	13 May 1967	9 January 1974 (reached age limit)	6 years, 241 days	SED	Dieter Itzerott (1967–1971) Wolfgang Herger (1971–1976)
5		Krenz, EgonEgon Krenz (born 1937)	9 January 1974	1 December 1983 (retired)	9 years, 326 days	SED	Wolfgang Herger (1971–1976) Erich Postler (1976–1980) Eberhard Aurich (1980–1983)
6		Aurich, EberhardEberhard Aurich (born 1946)	1 December 1983	24 November 1989 (deposed)	5 years, 358 days	SED	Volker Voigt
7		Türkowsky, FrankFrank Türkowsky (born 1959)	24 November 1989	28 January 1990 (retired)	65 days	SED
8		Schröder, BirgitBirgit Schröder (born 1965)	28 January 1990	17 March 1991 (retired)	1 year, 48 days	PDS

Maxwhollymoralground (talk) 14:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

@Maxwhollymoralground: I have added | party_col = 1 above for the "Party" heading to only span one column. The default is 2 because such tables often have a colored cell there with a party color. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:35, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Thank you! Maxwhollymoralground (talk) 10:55, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

What looks like hostile editing

I have been recently working on an article about an ongoing climate protest in Berlin and an editor who I have difficulty with in the past just rolled back some recent edits and removed most of the images I had added. Their commit messages were not especially focused nor helpful. I know from past experience if I engage with said editor, I will get swamped with Wikipedia legalese. If I roll back the edits in good faith and with considered explanations, an edit war will doubtless arise.

I should add that my interactions with other editors are normally productive and respectful. But in this case though, if I do react, conflict seems inevitable and quite possibly even sought. The said, that user's talk page also seems to consist mostly of strife with other editors [when I last interacted]. And I have had experience there too, batting stuff out in user space, when that discussion should really occur on Wikipedia talk pages in a more open and collegial context.

What can be done? Are there forums for resolving disputes of this type? Do I have to endure some unpleasant editing interactions before I can make a case? Are there proactive solutions on offer? Can some someone senior oversee the content development and adjudicate on the edit history as needed?

Indeed, the editing style on display seems to be solely confined to roll‑back and argument. The actual substantive contributions and good‑faith edits seem negligible, based on my past experiences. Surely such patterns of editing are identifiable by simple metrics? Or is there nothing that can be done against what appears to be hostile editing. Please help – this is likely to be very unpleasant and demotivating going forward.

And I should add that one roll-back happened so fast that the editor concerned would not have had any opportunity to read the source material, let alone make a considered judgement about the suitability and accuracy of that contribution. TIA, RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 16:15, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

@RobbieIanMorrison You have taken the correct first step by raising the matter on the page at Talk:Starving for honesty climate hunger strike, Berlin, Germany, as per our usual process. The guidance the other editor is relying on seems to be WP:NOTGALLERY and that we require WP:INDEPENDENT sources. I'm sure that other interested parties will see this Help Desk thread and weigh in with comments on the Talk Page. The place to raise issues about another editor's behaviour is WP:ANI but I would advise against that at present. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:31, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull: Thanks. My preference is for dialog and due process and not escalation. And I understand that editing judgements can vary. But equally, the underpinning debate needs to be factual and reasoned. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 16:40, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

One other consideration is that several of the pictures you want to include are your own work, which some may consider to be a conflict of interest if you add too many. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:49, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull: All the images were from me. And I willing concede that other editors should be involved in their assessment and selection. But there are very few quality open licensed images to be had. So I would be very happy if other editors could review that selection in a considered manner. But any kind of good process was certainly not evident to date in my view. (Moreover I sometimes put my potential images on talk pages and let other editors decide entirely, but time rather precludes that process in this case.)

I also want to mention briefly that one important passage I added (important in my estimation because it involved the German federal economics minister visiting the protest camp and thus quite remarkable in the current political context) was up for approximately one minute before being rolled back. How can that class as responsible editing? How can anyone check and assess the source and/or understand the merits of that material and then type in a commit message within that timeframe? Exactly how?

I don't find the current circumstances very conducive. but I guess I will just have to persevere. Involvement from experienced and neutral editors would be great, because I don't wish to face this quite possibly deteriorating and time-consuming situation alone. Really. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 17:45, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull: Anyone: I would like a senior Wikipedia editor to restore the Berlin hunger strike article to its state prior with reference to the recent controversial edits. In particular, this contribution covering written content should be reverted: en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Starving_for_honesty_climate_hunger_strike%2C_Berlin%2C_Germany&diff=prev&oldid=1226915490

The related deletion commit message of "keeping it real. we are not the strike's website" is distinctly unhelpful and also pejorative in my view. Please read that earlier diff and its commit message to see what that content was and why it was added. And as discussed earlier and elsewhere, I believe this contribution to be important and relevant.

In addition, the full set of images should be restored so there can be a useful and sensible discussion on which photographs to retain and which not. And that will be a useful exercise which I particularly welcome.

I should add that I normally enjoy working on Wikipedia and value the input of other editors. But occasionally I encounter this style of what one might call "ill‑informed editing‑by‑deletion". And normally accompanied by several aspects: no attempt to rectify issues, no discussions on talk pages, high‑handed commit messages, and an avalanche of Wikipedia policy acronyms when challenged. And ofttimes, there are mistaken assessments regarding core facts and notability which are usually difficult to shift. In this case exactly, the resulting discussion on the talk page did not move beyond vague generalities and omitted issues.

Please, I am asking for help and interest. Editors acting in good faith should be respected and Wikipedia norms and practices followed. And, as I understand it (and although I am male), this form of broadly arbitrary editing‑by‑deletion is particularly difficult for woman editors.

Can we therefore roll back to the earlier positions and then discuss options and rectifications on the talk page? I much prefer modification, improvement, and ultimately deletion to be the starting points and not have to argue for restoration in the face of intransigence. Can we agree on that approach? Can someone make the requisite roll‑backs? Thank you in advance. (And yes I know the editor that I am in conflict with has administrator status.) RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 06:10, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Augment an article’s list of other languages’ analogues?

The “languages” drop-down that adorns our article on Gaussian elimination offers the corresponding article on the Wikipedia site of each of 49 other languages. These 49 other languages do not include French. How do I add an entry for French Wikipedia’s (Wikipédia’s) article to that list? PaulTanenbaum (talk) 18:37, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

The French article that you provided is already link to a former English Wikipedia article that is currently a redirect to Gaussian elimination. If you want to link the two articles, you'll have to go to the French article's Wikidata page (In this case, here), remove the frwiki entry, then add the French article to the "languages" sidebar of Gaussian elimination. Only do that if you are certain that Gaussian elimination and Gauss-Jordan elimination are the same thing. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 19:19, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Help with submitting new article for review

I created a draft new article. I hit publish but then I cannot submit it for review. It asks me to type the words in the field to check if I am a human. I have typed the words correctly several times but it time it does not recognize this. Then it says I have exceeded the number of attempts. Miamisunshine2024 (talk) 18:52, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

You're draft is already on the waitlist for review, maybe the system had an error and did not show you that you've successfully submitted. While you're at it, please remove the external links in the main body of the draft and put them in a separate "external links" section. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 19:02, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Don Vieira reads a lot like a CV rather than a biography, this would need to be fixed.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 19:15, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the quick feedback. Can you please offer some feedback on how to revise in the style of a biography and less like a CV? I studied several other wikipedia entries for people in similar fields and theirs reads in this way so I am not sure what the best approach is. Welcome your recommendations. Miamisunshine2024 (talk) 19:29, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

First thing to do, @Miamisunshine2024, is to remove all the external links from the body of the text. We don't allow links in the body. Check WP:EXTERNAL for guidance. Qcne (talk) 19:57, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

wrong word used in Farsi

Hi. I work with some Iranian students and the word for "Bronze" is incorrect. You have written the word for "rice" and not "boronzee"... 2607:FEA8:7DE:CB00:2D06:7FC8:4F09:D7AE (talk) 22:41, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Which article are you referring to? The English-language article on bronze says nothing about Farsi terms. If you are referring at an article on the Farsi-language Wikipedia, you (or one of your students) need to discuss it there, as this help desk covers the English-language Wikipedia only. AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:50, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Bronze has an interlanguage link to fa:برنز. According to Google Translate, برنز means bronze. But the poster gives no indication whether it involves any of those pages or that word. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:01, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Are images transfers to WikiData working?

I use Wiki Shoot Me to take photos for Wikipedia while I’m traveling. Typically you can identify articles that need photos by looking for yellow dots indicating Wikipedia articles and larger red circles near by indicating WikiData items without photos (as previously these seemed to sync). In two cases recently I noticed articles with CC-licensed images placed correctly in the lead and appropriately sized that did not have their photos synced with WikiData: National Hotel and Wet Mountain Valley. I know the page image is being picked up because they display correctly on Special:Nearby using their coordinates: National Hotel and Wet Mountain Valley. It looks like they’re just not making it to WikiData. - Scarpy (talk) 23:19, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

I reposted this to the Village Pump. - Scarpy (talk) 05:47, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

"Howard's End" by EM Foster

I want to read an article about "Howard's End" by EM Foster. How do go about finding it? 2600:1700:4A50:1F70:C46D:1984:838E:EB77 (talk) 23:59, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

You mean Howards End by E. M. Forster? It helps to start by spelling things right. --Orange Mike | Talk 00:08, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

There is a search box or a magnifying glass search icon at the top of all pages. There is a redirect from Howard's End to Howards End so it works fine to search for "Howard's End". PrimeHunter (talk) 00:43, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

June 3

Citing an article inside of a meeting report

Forgive me if this has already been asked, I looked but couldn't find anything. I want to cite a specific article (Acanthoma fissuratum of the outer auditory canal from a hearing aid, page 304) within this collection of abstracts. How should I go about this? If I just use a citation generator the title will be "Abstracts of papers presented at the 27th Annual Meeting of the American Society of Dermatopathology" which isn't very helpful. Should I just manually create the citation and use the page number, authors, and title from the specefic article? If so should I include the doi from the collection since that specefic article doesn't have its own doi. Any advice is appreciated, I just want to make sure I am properly citing this source. CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath (talk) 01:44, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

{{cite conference |title=Acanthoma fissuratum of the outer auditory canal from a hearing aid |book-title=Abstracts of papers presented at the 27th Annual Meeting of the American Society of Dermatopathology |doi=10.1111/j.1600-0560.1989.tb00057.x |page=304}}

"Acanthoma fissuratum of the outer auditory canal from a hearing aid". Abstracts of papers presented at the 27th Annual Meeting of the American Society of Dermatopathology. p. 304. doi:10.1111/j.1600-0560.1989.tb00057.x.

Include author(s) of the paper, editor(s) of the Abstracts, publisher and publisher location, date of publication (year), ISBN, and any other pertinent bibliographic details.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 02:26, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Redirect-categorization tool?

During this past month, I've begun to take notice of a new tag filter that detects old-school redirect pages consisting only of "#REDIRECT" and the linked [[page target]]; WP:Categorizing redirects now recommends adding an {{R from X}} tag to avoid the "Uncategorized redirect" message in summaries. Planning to take advantage of this new rule any moment from now; before then, can any editors/developers direct me towards a tool (à la WP:RATER for content assessment) that can help me on the way? --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 02:43, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Slgrandson, there are some suggestions at Wikipedia:WikiProject Redirect#Scripts, but I haven't tried them myself. TSventon (talk) 04:28, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Resolved

Ultimately, I voted for WP:Archer over Eejit43's redirect helper as it satisfied my desire to create tagged redirects (on the first save). Thanks for the tip! --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 20:45, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Unless I misunderstand what you are saying, mine allows that as well. You of course are welcome to use any script you wish to :) ~ Eejit43 (talk) 21:35, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Deletion Review Request

User indeffed as promo-only account

Description of the Deleted Content: The deleted content was an article titled "The Stealing of Emily - Closed Material Procedures Secret Courts" that I authored. It provided information about a book I wrote, including its title, genre, and a brief summary of its plot. Reasons for Reinstatement: I believe the deleted content should be reinstated for the following reasons: The article adhered to Wikipedia's content policies and guidelines, including those on notability and verifiability. The book "The Stealing of Emily - Closed Material Procedures Secret Courts" is a notable work in its genre, as evidenced by its positive reception and reviews on reputable platforms such as Goodreads. The deletion may have been based on a misunderstanding or misinterpretation of Wikipedia's guidelines. Supporting Evidence or References: The deleted content was sourced from Goodreads, a reputable platform for book reviews and information. [Link to Goodreads page: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/195237122-the-stealing-of-emily---closed-material-procedures-secret-courts] The book is also available on the author's official website, further confirming its availability and relevance. [Link to author's website: https://thestealingofemily.co.uk/bookshelf/] The book has an official Facebook page maintained by the author, which provides updates and information about the book. [Link to Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/TheStealingofEmily/] The book's ISBN information is available through the ISBN Agency, providing additional verification of its existence and publication details. [Link to ISBN Agency page: https://www.isbnagency.com/titles/9781513697574-the-stealing-of-emily--fate-of-children-through-our-court-system] Clarity and Conciseness: The original article provided a clear and concise overview of the book, including its title, author, genre, and plot summary. It adhered to Wikipedia's guidelines for article structure and content presentation. Respectful Tone: I respectfully request that the deleted content be reinstated in accordance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. I believe that restoring the article would contribute positively to the Wikipedia community by providing valuable information about a notable literary work. Thank you for considering my request. Sincerely, [Your Martinnewbold] Martinnewbold (talk) 06:05, 3 June 2024 (UTC) @Martinnewbold I have replied to your second question below, please don't make duplicate questions. Qcne (talk) 07:14, 3 June 2024 (UTC) Collapse a second copy of this same question, by this user indeffed as a promo-only account. Mathglot (talk) 17:36, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

How do I add sources please?

I do not know how to add sources. Whereabouts do I add these sources? Thank you. R.FrancesFyfe (talk) 06:15, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello R.FrancesFyfe, check out:

• Help:Referencing for beginners
• Wikipedia:Citing sources

Typically, sources are added as footnotes at the end of the material they cover, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 06:27, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

There's also a tutorial at WP:INTREFVE which you may find helpful. I find the Visual Editor easier than the Source Editor, as it looks like Microsoft Word so you should already be familiar with it @R.FrancesFyfe. Qcne (talk) 07:05, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Deletion Review Request

User indeffed as promo-only account

=== Description of the Deleted Content: === The deleted content was an article titled "The Stealing of Emily - Closed Material Procedures Secret Courts" that I authored. It provided information about a book I wrote, including its title, genre, and a brief summary of its plot. === Reasons for Reinstatement: === I believe the deleted content should be reinstated for the following reasons: The article adhered to Wikipedia's content policies and guidelines, including those on notability and verifiability. The book "The Stealing of Emily - Closed Material Procedures Secret Courts" is a notable work in its genre, as evidenced by its positive reception and reviews on reputable platforms such as Goodreads. The deletion may have been based on a misunderstanding or misinterpretation of Wikipedia's guidelines. === Supporting Evidence or References: === The deleted content was sourced from Goodreads, a reputable platform for book reviews and information. [Link to Goodreads page: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/195237122-the-stealing-of-emily---closed-material-procedures-secret-courts] The book is also available on the author's official website, further confirming its availability and relevance. [Link to author's website: https://thestealingofemily.co.uk/bookshelf/] The book has an official Facebook page maintained by the author, which provides updates and information about the book. [Link to Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/TheStealingofEmily/] The book's ISBN information is available through the ISBN Agency, providing additional verification of its existence and publication details. [Link to ISBN Agency page: https://www.isbnagency.com/titles/9781513697574-the-stealing-of-emily--fate-of-children-through-our-court-system] === Clarity and Conciseness: === The original article provided a clear and concise overview of the book, including its title, author, genre, and plot summary. It adhered to Wikipedia's guidelines for article structure and content presentation. === Respectful Tone: === I respectfully request that the deleted content be reinstated in accordance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. I believe that restoring the article would contribute positively to the Wikipedia community by providing valuable information about a notable literary work. Thank you for considering my request. Sincerely, [Your Martinnewbold] Martinnewbold (talk) 06:32, 3 June 2024 (UTC) Hi @Martinnewbold. The proper place to request undeletion is at WP:REFUND. However based on your supporting evidence there is no way your article is suitable for Wikipedia. Only books that meet our notability criteria for books merit a Wikipedia article. Your four sources (Goodreads, your website, Facebook ISBN) do not prove notability in the slightest. Wikipedia is not a repository of book information, but an encyclopaedia of notable topics. You also shouldn't be writing about a book you wrote in the first place! Please see conflict of interest. As such I would not waste more of your time on this. Also, please don't use ChatGPT to author requests like this, we want to hear from you, not a robot. Let me know if you have any questions. Qcne (talk) 07:02, 3 June 2024 (UTC) No further responses needed; this user indeffed as a promo-only account. Mathglot (talk) 17:30, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

National Tortellini Day

I would like to add, on the tortellini page, that the world celebrates National Tortellini Day every year on 13 February, but my work doesn't focus on adding sources and I don't want to make mistakes; the source is this (which I don't know if it's reliable): https://nationaltoday.com/national-tortellini-day/ (information present in the "Giornata Nazionale dei Tortellini" section of the it.wiki page, https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortellini). JacktheBrown (talk) 06:34, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

At the top of the nationaltoday page you linked, it says "Got an idea for a holiday? Send it to us". If anyone can submit a holiday, then that site is unlikely to be reliable. Information present on another Wikipedia is also not a reliable source. You will need to come up with reliable sources. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:56, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

@Shantavira: in what sense "Information present on another Wikipedia is also not a reliable source"? It.wiki isn't reliable? JacktheBrown (talk) 17:20, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

@JackkBrown No, it.wiki, like all wikipedias, is not a reliable source. See WP:CIRCULAR which says "Do not use articles from Wikipedia (whether English Wikipedia or Wikipedias in other languages) as sources, since Wikipedia is a user-generated source." CodeTalker (talk) 20:12, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

@Shantavira: this source is reliable? https://www.nationaldaycalendar.com/national-day/national-tortellini-day-february-13. JacktheBrown (talk) 17:35, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikis are not reliable sources for Wikipedia articles, since they are user-edited. It's the same reason we don't use blogs, Goodreads, or the IMDb for substantial content. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:25, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Again, the nationaldaycalendar is just another website, and it invites anyone to "Register A National Day". Shantavira|^{feed me} 19:39, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Multigenre glitch in comics - the return of.

7 years ago I noticed a glitch on Leviathan (2000 AD) in the multigenre section where the genres were always prefixed by a comma. Topic here - David Biddulph suggested that the first genre needed to be "first" not "y" and that fixed it - but none the wiser as to why 2000 AD (comics) didn't need the qualifier and was happy with a "y".

Now I've got the same thing on The 'Nam - but this is even weirder in that the existing revision has a "y" for the first genre, and the preceding comma, but if I change that to "first" then I still get the comma and also the first genre is bunched up without spaces to the second genre.

Should this be declared a bug in that the same criteria yields three different results:

1. 2000AD - fine with "y"
2. Leviathan - needs "first"
3. The 'Nam - doesn't work with either "first" or "y"

They all use the Infobox comic book title template, so surely behaviour should be the same? Chaheel Riens (talk) 08:00, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Additional - I've looked up Template:Infobox_comic_book_title#Genre_list, however all that does is state that "first" should be used - but in practice that's not the case as outlined above. Chaheel Riens (talk) 09:10, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Additional additional - if I mark "War" as first it fails. If I mark "historical" as first, then it displays as it should. Why is this? Chaheel Riens (talk) 09:14, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Looking at the source of Template:Comics infobox sec/genre, it looks to me as if it's all coded for individual cases rather than any sort of general logic, so I'm not surprised that there are some individual oddities. I suggest asking at the talk page for either that or the main template you're calling. ColinFine (talk) 11:05, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

@Chaheel Riens: Looking at the template code, all genres are listed in alphabetical order. first is not an option for which genre you want displayed first. It's a required value for the first alphabetical genre of those genres you want listed. That's why |War=first |Historical=y fails. You cannot display War before Historical. The template could have been coded to avoid the need for the caller to specify first but it would require significantly more code with our rather limited template language. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:58, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

2000 AD (comics) doesn't need first because one of the genres is Action Adventure and that's always first alphabetically so the template automatically treats it as first. If the template was modified to accept an earlier alphabetical genre then Action=first Adventure=first would be required when the earlier genre isn't used. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:19, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

The parameter is called Adventure but it displays as Action/adventure. According to the template, you cannot have adventure without action. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:24, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Aardvark fiction never really took off... Anyway, I have clarified the use of first in the documentation.[1] PrimeHunter (talk) 15:55, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Skyway group

(header added) Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:35, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

hi i have been with skyway group for 8years i am having problems with my account and my wife having same issue please can someone help us 92.27.141.89 (talk) 11:24, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

IP editor: This helpdesk is exclusively for assistance with using and editing Wikipedia. We cannot help with any other matter. There is an article SkyWay Group you may wish to read. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:35, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

updating article

hello, i am trying to update the article Vicky Theodoropoulou Greek Writer. don't know how to keep one of the two same profile pictures i have uploaded by mistake. also i don't know if i have the updated is correctly done. i would appreciate your help. thank you Theodoropoulou (talk) 18:26, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

For the record, i have tried, and failed, to find appropriate sourcing for this article and have now taken it to WP:AFD. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 20:23, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Cannot login

We have been trying to reach Wkipedia to help us login for months. We are a non profit and we do not know who was our admin for the site OpenTravel (talk) 19:22, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi @OpenTravel. Firstly, your username is in breach of our username policy as it seems to represent a company or organisation? Note also Wikipedia accounts can only be used by a single person, not shared.

That said, it is unclear what your question is. You are logged into Wikipedia right now. Are you talking about a different account? Could you provide the username if so? Please give more details. Qcne (talk) 19:25, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

@OpenTravel: Maybe you think OpenTravel Alliance was written by somebody from your organization and that's the account you are trying to get into. Don't, that's not how Wikipedia works. Articles don't have an "admin" and nobody owns an article. Accounts are for individuals, not organizations. The article page history [2] shows contributions from many users who may or may not be affiliated with you. The orignal creation was by User:B3zra1y but they have no more right to the article than anyone else. Most articles are written by volunteers who are not connected to the subject. If you are connected then see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:44, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

To add to what the others have said, I recommend reading the essay WP:BOSS, for more context. ColinFine (talk) 21:39, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

William James Neatby

I have a picture of William James Neatby and his first wife Emily taken on their wedding day. The picture you have was also taken on their wedding day and I shared it with Mr. B Strol (?) to be used on his web page. If you would like the wedding picture I will be happy to send it to you. I also have a picture of his second wife with their 2 children and William Douglas Neatby his son born to Emily.

Please advise

Ron Neatby Great grandson Of William James Neatby 2607:FEA8:2C5F:BA30:79AF:2B04:F5B9:45A5 (talk) 19:45, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

It's up to you if you want to share it or not, as photos (especially wedding photos) are not necessarily required for biographical articles. If you wish to share it, you can upload it with Wikipedia:File upload wizard. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 21:33, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

My edits on "Summit-Level Canal"

My reference did not make it into the just-published revision of "Summit-Level Canal". Do I assume that the Wiki editor of the edits will fix this? ~~~~

Stembrij (talk) 21:48, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Two references were both named ":0" so I changed one to be named ":1". Did this fix what you were asking about? RJFJR (talk) 22:38, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Handling mass unsourced edits

I have encountered an unsourced and seemingly wrong edit on the List of countries by obesity rate (I also made a comment on the talk page Talk:List of countries by obesity rate#Republic of Korea). I've tracked it down to the user Special:Contributions/37.211.172.77 that seems to have made many unsourced, and to my eyes wrong, edits, e.g.:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Badin&diff=prev&oldid=1221755115

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Badin&diff=prev&oldid=1221755428

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sibi&diff=prev&oldid=1222374419

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sibi&diff=prev&oldid=1222374578

I'm not an expert on the topic, but some of these figures seem very unrealistic, and I can't find any sources supporting them. What should be done? 131.111.5.246 (talk) 23:08, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

In this type of case per a personal point of view, I will find ones sources that if it supports two or one of the edits, then they may be true (not confirming that they are). But whenever I see sources that oppose the edits and supports the former figure there, I will manually revert or revert all edits as unsourced entry while linking to the source I have. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 00:35, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

June 4

Using Word

Hi Lew. I seem to have lost you?? Can I simply copy an article I have written using MS Word and paste it straight onto Wiki? Best wishes, Bruce Seachange2000 (talk) 04:09, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Seachange. You seem to be following up a message you posted at User talk:Encoded, so that user will probably answer there. My answer is that you can do that, but you will lose the formatting, and any referencing (and referencing is absolutely the most important part of a Wikipedia article) so it is not a very effective method of creating a Wikipedia article. Images will not go across either - they need to be uploaded and then used in an article in two separate steps, and Wikimedia is very careful about copyright: see Help:upload.

In my experience, editors who attempt the challenging task of creating a new article before they have spent weeks or months learning how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles, usually have a frustrating and miserable experience. Would you enter a major tournament when you've never picked up a tennis racket before?

When you have learnt about core concepts like verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable sources, and most importantly notability, then is the time to read your first article and give it a go.

If you are determined to go ahead with it now, absolutely your first task is to find the reliable, independent sources with substantial material about your club. Nothing written, published or commissioned by the club will count, and nor will anything based on interviews or press releases, or just having passing mention. You need to find places where people wholly unconnected with the club have chosen, off their own bat, to write about the club in professionally published places like significant newspapers, or books from reputable publishers. If you cannot find any such places, then your club is almost certainly not notable, and all further effort you spend on trying to create a Wikipedia article about it will be time wasted. ColinFine (talk) 09:25, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Permanent dead link; piadina romagnola

Reference 2 is a "permanent dead link", should I delete it? JacktheBrown (talk) 06:39, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

I think this is the same source [3]? Timur9008 (talk) 06:44, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@Timur9008: I don't know, "Impossibile raggiungere il sito". JacktheBrown (talk) 19:23, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

The link works fine for me (also in Italy). -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 20:40, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@Cl3phact0: the link works, but within the page it doesn't; in fact, it's marked as "permanent dead link" (references). JacktheBrown (talk) 20:46, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Try now. -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 20:48, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@Cl3phact0: PERFECT, thank you! JacktheBrown (talk) 20:50, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

how to upload content on wikipedia

how to upload content on wikipedia 182.191.79.147 (talk) 09:50, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

This isn't a mere place to upload content, this is a project to write an encyclopedia. Writing a new article is the most difficult thing to do here, and it is highly recommended that new users first gain experience and knowledge by editing existing articles in areas that interest them. Unregistered and new users cannot directly create articles, you would need to use the Article Wizard; please see Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 09:54, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

If you meant "uploading images", please see c:COM:First steps/Contributing (Wikimedia Commons) and WP:Uploading images/WP:NFCC (WP). Open-content media is welcome on Commons, while non-free material stays on any Wikipedia allowing it (including this edition). Since you are editing from an IP, you must create an account before submitting media to either venue. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 23:32, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Question by Lenutaa mirceaa

what îs the www.en.m.wikipediia.org?/4-6-2024/"addtopic" Lenutaa mirceaa (talk) 12:14, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@Lenutaa mirceaa Would you mind giving us some context, please. An example might be to tell us what you were attempting when you found www.en.m.wikipediia.org?/4-6-2024/"addtopic". 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 12:51, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Even giving us a valid URL might help. Maproom (talk) 17:51, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:Works about children

I recently came across Category:Works about children, and the articles listed in it directly (as opposed to in subcategories) are an extremely eclectic collection. We have IQ tests for children (Kaufman Assessment Battery for Children), an episode of Star Trek (Miri (Star Trek: The Original Series)), a photograph (Faith and Confidence), etc.

Is this a properly-functioning category? If not, what should be done about it? Walsh90210 (talk) 18:36, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Seems "fiction" should be a "top" subcategory. Fwiw, there is a Wikipedia:WikiProject Categories. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:49, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks; when I went to the Category_talk page a message said "Talk pages in this namespace are generally not watched by many users. Please consider visiting the Help desk for a more prompt response or reviewing the Categorization FAQ for quick tips." I can post at the WikiProject next time. Walsh90210 (talk) 20:09, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Saving user preferences

Hi, I have tried multiple times, but it seems I am unable to disable the setting that allows people to email me because, even after clicking save, my user preferences are not saved. I would really appreciate it if you could help. Urboyspong (talk) 20:47, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

It seems you have asked this question at the Teahouse under a different username. Please stick to only one of these two venues to avoid duplication of volunteer effort. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Article page view is different if logged on. Why?

Hi, I have noticed that any article appears differently, when I am logged onto Wikipedia. If I am not logged on there is a wide margin on the right hand side of the page. When I log on this margin disappears. So, I am editing (and formatting the page, photos, etc.) with no right hand side margin but most users (who are generally not logged on) will see it with the margin. I cannot predict while editing (no margin) what the page will look like with a margin. That makes fitting text around photographs, etc. a bit hit and miss. Editing is thus not WYSIWYG. Is there a reason for this? Is there a way around it without trial-and-error? (In case it is relevant, I am using Chrome). Thanks TrimmerinWiki (talk) 23:48, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@TrimmerinWiki: Wikipedia and most other web sites do not use information about the aspect ratio and font size of the user's window or sub-window: this is left to the browser. You can never build a "WISYWIG" web page, because each user will see it differently. What you can (try to) do is resize your window to see how the page displays with various aspect ratios. -Arch dude (talk) 00:00, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@TrimmerinWiki: In addition to the answer from Arch dude, the different view is likely due to the skin. Logged out users get Vector 2022 skin with lots of whitespace and your account may have a different one chosen in the preferences. There are several skins to choose from, so different users will get different views depending on their preference. RudolfRed (talk) 03:25, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

June 5

Change email account

I have an older account which I made a lot of updates but haven't used in several years. Now that email connected to it was Yahoo and is now not usable. Can I assign my new email address to my existing account. Username is toneron2 Thank you for your time 134.65.175.36 (talk) 01:53, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

not sure how someone would contact me if I don't have my email address on here 134.65.175.36 (talk) 01:55, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure you'd need to be able to log into your account in order to update the email. Otherwise, you're just a random IP asking that the email address tied to a user account be changed. DonIago (talk) 02:01, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Although email is an option, the normal way to contact editors is on their talk page, such as User talk:Toneron2. You can update your email by logging into your account and changing it in preferences. If you cannot remember your account password and your email is not accessable, then there is no way to recover your account. You can create a new account and mention on your user page that you previously edited under the old name. RudolfRed (talk) 03:49, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

File Replacing

How do you replace a file? I asked this a bit ago but i dont know where my question has gone. 7s3s (talk) 04:39, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@7s3s: Questions are archived periodically to keep the page size from becoming too large. Your question is here. To upload a new version of the file I think you can use the upload wizard c:Special:UploadWizard. If that doesn't work or you have more questions about how to upload files at commons, the help desk there is a better place to ask: c:Commons:Help_desk RudolfRed (talk) 04:48, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@7s3s: Note that you need to have autopatrol right in Commons in order to overwrite an existing file (this is a recent change starting from late last year). MKFI (talk) 07:18, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Link to template is missing in category page

I notice that for most redirect categories, there is a link to the template itself ("Template:R from...") under the section "Pages in category..." before the alphabetical listing of entries. See "Category:Redirects from short names". But "Category:Redirects from incomplete names" doesn't have it. I'm happy to do it but I see that category pages can't be edited, per se.

PS: I've unlinked the Wikilinks to the categories, because it wasn't working for some reason. Can you not Wikilink to a category page?   — TARDIS builder^✉     ★       09:54, 5 June 2024 (UTC)