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Tech News: 2024-21[edit]

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

The Nuke feature, which enables administrators to mass delete pages, will now correctly delete pages which were moved to another title. [1]
New changes have been made to the UploadWizard in Wikimedia Commons: the overall layout has been improved, by following new styling and spacing for the form and its fields; the headers and helper text for each of the fields was changed; the Caption field is now a required field, and there is an option for users to copy their caption into the media description. [2][3]

Changes later this week

The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 21 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 22 May. It will be on all wikis from 23 May (calendar). [4][5]
The HTML used to render all headings is being changed to improve accessibility. It will change on 22 May in some skins (Timeless, Modern, CologneBlue, Nostalgia, and Monobook). Please test gadgets on your wiki on these skins and report any related problems so that they can be resolved before this change is made in all other skins. The developers are also considering the introduction of a Gadget API for adding buttons to section titles if that would be helpful to tool creators, and would appreciate any input you have on that.

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Heading markup changes[edit]

The HTML used to render all headings is being changed to improve accessibility. It will change on 22 May in some skins (Timeless, Modern, CologneBlue, Nostalgia, and Monobook). Please test gadgets on your wiki on these skins and report any related problems so that they can be resolved before this change is made in all other skins. The developers are also considering the introduction of a Gadget API for adding buttons to section titles if that would be helpful to tool creators, and would appreciate any input you have on that.

MediaWiki message delivery 23:01, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Based on a quick search, it looks like the heading change will affect almost 300 scripts, many of which have inactive maintainers. Some arbitrary highlights from the top of the list include:

Plus many, many more. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 19:22, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A quick way to test these scripts right now, is to enable the Parsoid beta option (which already uses the new html structure) and to disable DiscussionTools, which uses a partial form of the new heading structure. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 08:39, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, you can already see it in Parsoid mode (but note that there are other differences – e.g. Parsoid output has <section> tags around each section, which may require a separate set of updates in some scripts).

Disabling DiscussionTools doesn't actually change anything though. The HTML structure is the same whether it's enabled or disabled, only the styles are different. Also, note that it uses a "hybrid" heading structure currently when using the default parser, as you say, but it uses the new structure when using Parsoid.

So in short, you can just use Parsoid mode to test these scripts today here on English Wikipedia, but beware that there may be extra issues. But if they work with Parsoid, they will work with the new headings too. Matma Rex talk 11:25, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The technical 13 script was blanked, so we don't have to worry about that one.

Will the fact that they're rolling this out for only some wikimedia-deployed skins at this time make the patch more complicated? If I'm reading it right, the scripts may temporarily have to support both heading styles. –Novem Linguae (talk) 09:16, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it does, and they have to. Matma Rex talk 11:20, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

At a glance, it seems that User:Mr. Stradivarius/gadgets/SignpostTagger.js already supports the new style, as it uses $( '#bodyContent h2:first' ).text() as a backup if $( '#bodyContent h2:first span.mw-headline' ) doesn't exist (line 291). — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 13:09, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed RFUD-helper. Thanks for the ping. – SD0001 (talk) 18:33, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is going to break both my edit request scripts, I will try to fix them at the weekend. Terasail ^[✉️] 18:41, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Another one: User:Σ/Testing_facility/Archiver.js. Izno (talk) 00:45, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And a couple other gadgets still remaining:

Izno (talk) 00:51, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Σ's Archiver script has been superseded by forks. See subsection just below: #Tech News – User:Enterprisey/archiver.js. —⁠andrybak (talk) 01:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I had no idea that one had gotten forked. Izno (talk) 01:24, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gadget-autonum (Auto-number headings)[edit]

I'm assuming ~ and feel free to correct me if i'm wrong ~ that something about this deployment is why headings no longer have numbers (for me)? Will it be possible to go back to that at some point? I find long pages almost impossible to navigate around without numbered headings, so will have to learn a new way of working if it won't be possible. Thanks, Happy days, ~ Lindsay^Hello 16:24, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@LindsayH: No, that was removed a while ago. You may try the "Auto-number headings" gadget here. Nardog (talk) 19:31, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you're speaking about the table of contents, Vector 22 does not provide numbering. Vector, Monobook, and Modern do.

If you are speaking about each actual heading, then indeed the preference is gone and indeed there is a gadget for it now. You have correctly identified that gadget as needing to be updated for this change. It looks like the necessary change to the snippet (documentation) has already been made, so someone needs to port that here. Izno (talk) 19:59, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Izno, helpful. I'd assumed it was a script/gadget, as so many appeared to be affected above. I shall patiently wait in hope

Happy days, ~ Lindsay^Hello 11:51, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@LindsayH. I think I fixed this gadget for monobook/timeless/modern with this update. But there is still a double number bug on some talk pages on vector/vector-2022. Will work on that next. –Novem Linguae (talk) 16:50, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You star! Thanks for the notification (and, of course, for fixing it). Happy days, ~ Lindsay^Hello 06:14, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tech News – User:Enterprisey/archiver.js[edit]

I've been testing my fork of Enterprisey's script – User:Andrybak/Archiver. Example edits: 1226884323, 1227442551, 1227443165, 1227444165. So far, the script doesn't seem to be affected. —⁠andrybak (talk) 19:21, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

✅ Another successful test with random things (including cases, which were mentioned in bug reports): Special:Diff/1227451320. —⁠andrybak (talk) 21:33, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did you try all the old skins such as Timeless and Monobook? Vector isn't affected at all yet, and editing likely uses the API, but I can imagine the location of the header links this script places being possibly broken in old scripts. I fixed this kind of thing in 2 gadgets so far. –Novem Linguae (talk) 22:15, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I know that Σ's User:Σ/Testing facility/Archiver supported at least Timeless: User talk:Σ/Archive/2021/January#Archy McArchface button caption in Timeless, so I expect Enterprisey's version to have remained compatible with other skins.

Good shout.

Checking... —⁠andrybak (talk) 22:28, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Facepalm argh, I didn't read past the first sentence. My bad. Thank you, Novem Linguae, for pointing it out. —⁠andrybak (talk) 22:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Novem Linguae, support for MonoBook and Timeless has been added: Special:Diff/1227543602. —⁠andrybak (talk) 11:22, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tests on real discussions: MonoBook, Timeless, Vector 2010, Vector 2022. —⁠andrybak (talk) 11:47, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New h2 headings use serif font even when the "Vector classic typography" gadget is enabled[edit]

Vector classic typography is a gadget that forces all text to use sans-serif fonts, but even with the gadget enabled h2 headings on articles use a serif font. Incorrect behavior seen on both Firefox and Edge. TomatoFriesLAN (talk) 18:51, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TomatoFriesLAN Thanks for reporting, this is caused by the heading changes announced two weeks ago, which were deployed to legacy Vector as well this week. This edit should fix it: [6] – please try now. Matma Rex talk 20:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Works, good job. TomatoFriesLAN (talk) 03:53, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

XFDcloser[edit]

I usually spend part of the day closing AFD discussions but none of the XFDcloser options are showing up. Not even the ability to relist. I've uninstalled every installation, unchecked the XFDcloser gadget, returned everything to normal but nothing works. Do I have to reboot my computer or something? Log out and log back in? This rarely happens so I'm not sure what happened today. I've posted a message on the XFDCloser talk page but it doesn't get much activity there. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:26, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's not an XFDC issue, it's a THURSDAY issue. Primefac (talk) 00:35, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Izno, I see you've moved this section, and it does appear to be mentioned in the original post of this threading, but why would it only appear now? I seem to recall closing discussions earlier this week (and I suspect Liz has as well). Primefac (talk) 01:17, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I mean, it could not be this, and you're welcome to move it back, it just has the smell. Izno (talk) 01:24, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I patched xfdcloser a couple days ago, so a new bug today is probably something else. Will take a look. –Novem Linguae (talk) 02:52, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I thought this thread was deleted until I found it reposted up here.

It's odd because XFDCloser was working fine this morning and then this afternoon, it just didn't load at all. But I see other editors closing discussions so I hope it isn't just me. I've had ongoing problems with XFDCloser not loading on CFD pages but it hasn't been a problem on AFD daily logs until today. Thanks for checking Novem Linguae, there are usually over 100 AFD discussions daily so if this is happening for other closers, they could pile up pretty quickly. If it matters, I use a laptop with Windows. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:17, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's still working in Vector 2022, so changing your preferences temporarily is a workaround. Hopefully the issue will be fixed soon. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 03:39, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I figured out the cause. I should have a fix deployed soon.

For the record, it looks like WMF deployed mw:Heading HTML changes to old skins (monobook, timeless, modern, cologneblue) last week, vector (2010) this week, and probably minerva and vector-2022 in the coming weeks. All breakages we see today will probably be vector (2010) only.

This staggered deployment has pros and cons. It means that if someone like me does fix a bunch of gadgets today, I'll just have to go fix them all again next week when they break on vector-2022.

It would be nice if there were an API for inserting header links. phab:T337286. APIs like mw.util.addPortlet(), mw.util.addPortletLink(), etc are great for multi-skin support and for keeping HTML changes from breaking gadgets and user scripts. –Novem Linguae (talk) 05:43, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I don't understand all of this jargon but I am FOREVER grateful that their are editors who do. Thanks for looking into this. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:33, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fix deployed for XFDcloser. Should be fixed within the next 15 minutes (gadget code is cached for up to 15 minutes). –Novem Linguae (talk) 06:35, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see I did use Vector Legacy 2010. I don't like for page formatting and white space of the updated Vector 2022. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:37, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I also use Vector 2010. Best skin :) –Novem Linguae (talk) 06:38, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am looking forward to Vector 2034 — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 06:51, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, and I don't like the left-side menu. But thanks Novem Linguae, it looks like things are now back to normal. I can go back to my old skin! Many thanks. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:24, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User script that puts a ¶ symbol next to headings[edit]

What's the user script or gadget that puts a ¶ symbol next to headings, and when you click on it, it opens a modal with links to that section that you can copy/paste? It broke for me today and I want to fix it, but can't remember what it's called. Thanks. –Novem Linguae (talk) 03:35, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is it User:Enterprisey/copy-section-link? Sounds like what you described, but I don't see where you have it imported. – 2804:F14:809B:2701:19B4:583A:7C56:999F (talk) 04:22, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, it's in my global.js. No wonder I couldn't find it. Thank you very much for this link. –Novem Linguae (talk) 06:37, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I wrote a script that provides links to user comments as well as headings, which I updated to support both the new and legacy methods of marking up headings. Its interface is a bit different though from the copy-section-link script. isaacl (talk) 06:23, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can't find where the script is putting the link(s) on Vector 2010. Any hints? –Novem Linguae (talk) 07:04, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The function showCommentLinks() (starting on line 73) adds the links. The section of code starting at line 84 finds headings in the HTML document structure previously generated by MediaWiki (which I believe is the same across skins). The section of code starting at line 93 finds headings in the currently generated HTML document structure. isaacl (talk) 15:27, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was hoping you'd just tell me where the links are. lol. Anyway, I put a breakpoint on line 75 and the breakpoint is not getting hit when I refresh this page. I'm missing something. –Novem Linguae (talk) 20:33, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were asking about the interface. As described in the documentation, you have to select the "Toggle link2clipboard" item in the tools menu (the location of the menu depends on your skin; for Vector 2010 it's in the left sidebar). </> is prepended to the start of each comment. For headings, <h/> is also prepended. Most of the time I don't want to see the links, so I chose to require an extra step to display them. Another difference from the other script is that for the major non-Safari browsers, the link text is automatically copied to the clipboard (always without surrounding square brackets; the other script can be configured not to do that if desired). isaacl (talk) 20:51, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nice, that worked. Thanks a lot. Feature idea: Add a way to copy it as an external link. I do this a lot when writing GitHub or Phabricator tickets, for example. –Novem Linguae (talk) 20:59, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As my personal frequent use case is to link to comments or sections in wikitext, I wanted a way that would provide easy access to the link without underscores ;-) (And I chose to avoid square brackets as it's easier to add them when needed than delete them, and I like to use {{section link}} when feasible.) I'll take it under consideration, though; thanks for the feedback! isaacl (talk) 21:08, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Section header typeface[edit]

I just noticed that section headers in articles are now using a serif typeface on both Vector and Vector legacy. Sorry I couldn't find information about this elsewhere but when and why was this change made? I do not like that it uses Oldstyle figures and would like to change it in my settings or .css page to be the same sans serif font used in other headers. Thanks! Reywas92^Talk 17:23, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Reywas92 Vector headers have actually been using serif fonts by default for a long time, but you have user CSS which was overriding that. It no longer works due to some changes to heading HTML. You can either change that part of your user CSS to:

h1, h2, .mw-heading1, .mw-heading2 {
    font-family: inherit !important;
}

Or alternatively just use the gadget "Vector classic typography" which has already been fixed. the wub "?!" 19:25, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Forgot they did that a decade ago, these numerals are awful. Reywas92^Talk 20:23, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The obsolete nowrap attribute[edit]

See this edit and User talk:Awesometd#nowrap. The nowrap attribute on a td element, already deprecated in HTML 4 (December 1997), was marked as obsolete in HTML 5 (October 2014). The user says that they are copying its use from other pages, so does anybody know where in Wikipedia such usage is recommended or even suggested? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 10:30, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I doubt it's suggested anywhere. A few cases may have been added long ago and some users just copy what they saw in other articles. The user is right that it's used in 2024 F1 season. Unsurprisingly it's also in previous seasons. It's common to start such pages with a copy-paste from another season. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:16, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

At a first estimation there are about 10k uses of it; I'm sure someone can refine that. Izno (talk) 15:26, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's many more obsolete attributes still being used in tables, such as align or bgcolor. If we truly want to get rid of them, the solution would probably be to extend the Linter extension, so that they'll be listed at Special:LintErrors. That's probably a discussion to be had over at WT:LINT. --rchard2scout (talk) 07:56, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One could easily ask as well where in Wikipedia such usage is deprecated or discouraged? I'm pretty sure the amount of editors that read the HTML5 instructions prior to editing articles is rather low. You can't just assume that everyone is always aware of what parameters have become obsolete.

I am a regular editor of the Formula 1 Wikiproject and I remember us starting to use that parameter because it is more practical and intuïtive than the nowrap template and takes up less memory. The fact that it never produced any technical issue, nor was there any message that it is obsolete. This is litterally the first time anyone give an indication there is a problem. Why isn't this advertised more to the relevant WikiProjects? Like another person pointed out here, if these things would be flagged as LintErrors they would not be used. But I do wonder why such a simple, well working parameter was made obsolete.

We are well-intentioned people, so I'm sure that if you invite a couple of editors from the relevant WikiProjects, explain the issue and tell us what the correct CSS code is, per the HTML5 documentatien's recommendation, we'll set out to deal with those obsolete parameters. As a side note, I think the Superbike article has even more issues, like the usage of external links.T v x1 21:53, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This one is actually pretty easy to switch, we have a CSS class nowrap that you can change whatever templates to use instead. Izno (talk) 23:31, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And what is that CSS class nowrap? T v x1 10:26, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The CSS rule is

.nowrap,
.nowraplinks a {
  white-space: nowrap;
}

and it's already set up for you. You use it in a table as e.g.

{| class="wikitable sortable"
|+ Demo table
|-
|class="nowrap" | Row 1 Column 1 || Row 1 Column 2
|}

This applies the class to one specific cell. It can also be applied to a whole row at once; or to the entire table. Doing those isn't such a good idea, you may cause excessive sideways scrolling. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 13:55, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What about style="white-space:nowrap"? T v x1 23:17, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it does the same thing, but (i) it's more to type; (ii) less easily remembered; (iii) more easily broken e.g. by omitting or mistyping that hyphen; (iv) more difficult to apply cascading styles to. In general, class= is preferred over style=.

As for "why such a simple, well working parameter was made obsolete", it's part of the overall plan for HTML, going right back to the mid-1990s, that HTML should concern itself only with semantics, and leave styling to style sheets. Accordingly attributes that have no semantic meaning and affect only the style - other than style= itself, were first deprecated and then made obsolete; similarly with elements like <font>...</font> that affect only the style and have no semantic meaning. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 05:46, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New Gadget for viewing CT images[edit]

We at Wiki Project Med have built a gadget to view stacks of images such a as CT scans, which you can see here[7]. We are wanting to install it on EN WP.

Previously mentioned to User:MusikAnimal here who want to verify community consensus first.

We have an earlier version working on Commons[8]. Based on Template:PD-medical we have collected a few thousand complete CT and MRI scans of various conditions. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:13, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Doc James about how many pages would this need to run on? We are currently experimenting with our very first implementation of Template Gadgets (see a couple sections up) right now, which I imagine would be the way we would want to implement this (and most certainly not by hooking a full page text analyzer in to common.js). — xaosflux ^Talk 18:49, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A template gadget version has been copied to mediawiki.org as a demo. See mw:Template:ImageStackPopup Bawolff (talk) 19:00, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So User:Xaosflux sounds like it only loads when a specific category is present already. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:21, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Doc James yes, where said category would come along with a template that would wrap whatever is being used. It sounds like all instances of this would use some template so that part isn't hard. What order of magnitude of pages would you expect this would get used on? — xaosflux ^Talk 19:23, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Xaosflux few thousand at most, Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:44, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the note. — xaosflux ^Talk 19:24, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The mediawiki version is quite a bit better.

For a default gadget, i'd have some concerns about the accessibility of the play button. It's not a button, and it's also not labeled.
Similar for the pager and slider in the window. This is unlabeled. It should have accessibility labels to make it possible to understand what the slider does.
The play button positioning and sizing might need a little bit more work, it seems kinda off (esp on iphone)
Might want to hide the play button on media print
Good to see that media credits are being linked.
Seems to work on mobile, but could use some additional spacing at the top controls, they are really difficult to hit because everything is so close together now.
Closing the dialog. All MW dialogs currently have close at the top (an old pattern i note due to mobile usage favoring thumb interaction at the bottom of a dialog). This does create an inconsistency, but i'm not particular concerned.
The whole ImageStackPopup-viewer is inside a label element atm. I think that's an accident?

—TheDJ (talk • contribs) 20:27, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:TheDJ We have added labels. Let me know if what was done is sufficient? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 13:06, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps we can use gitlab instead of mediawikiwiki for development? It can probably serve as the version which wikis copy from. I created a blank project at gitlab:repos/gadgets/ImageStackPopup, and can extend SDZeroBot 13 to support tracking updates from gitlab. – SD0001 (talk) 09:14, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's been some accessibility improvements in the latest version. Button is also now hidden on print. The label thing and the close button at the bottom seem to be due to using OO.ui.alert. I'm not sure why OOUI does it that way for alert boxes. Bawolff (talk) 13:18, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Synced local fork from upstream. — xaosflux ^Talk 13:57, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Doc James, As one of our professors often says, "One view is no view in Radiology." From a content perspective, I am confident that these imaging stacks will enhance the quality of our radiology related articles. Looking forward to seeing this implemented soon. _signed,511KeV ^(talk) 19:03, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Moral support for the idea, bug-report for the implementation: the stack is scrolled by a left–right slider, but when hovering over the image the stack scrolls when I move the mouse up-and-down and not side-to-side. DMacks (talk) 19:49, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Given the bird's-eye view with the line indicating the location of the specific scan is an up-and-down position, having the slider be side-to-side is confusing. Everything needs to be in sync. DMacks (talk) 00:09, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've forked ImageStackPopup over for anyone that wants to test it out in sandboxes etc, you can either manually opt-in to it in the "testing and development" gadget section, or you can load it to a page with the ?withgadget query parameter. From discussion above, this seems like it will need some extensive testing and tweaking. Nothing should currently be placed in to an article that is dependent on this right now, as readers will not be able to make use of it yet. — xaosflux ^Talk 23:55, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Vivarium template gadget being currently tested is much simpler, and we will make sure our roll out of template gadgets is done carefully. Additional discussion around if these should be able to be opted out of should also occur (i.e. not making them default+hidden). For a default here, we'll likely also use a fork, we have a bot to monitor remote changes and flag for promotion that can be used. — xaosflux ^Talk 23:58, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The test version on Commons loads 250 images. Given how heavy these images are, this seems like a bad use case for a gadget and should potentially be in some sort of video instead, which won't try to download that many images all at the same time. Izno (talk) 00:24, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That does seem like a lot if its all hitting the browser right away. Something that heavy sounds like it would be better to paginate and be done in mediaviewer perhaps. — xaosflux ^Talk 00:28, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify, the images get downloaded only after the user hits the play button, so only users who want to see them do the download. Perhaps that could be improved with a progress loading bar or something or the ability to cancel. The goal is to allow users to directly compare all the images all at once, so i'm not sure pagnation would work here. I agree that as a long term solution, transfering as a video with p-frames/temporal compression would probably be much more bandwidth efficient. Bawolff (talk) 05:43, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, just to be clear, this gadget does not exist on commons. There is a separate gadget on commons called ImageStack, which is the inspiration for this gadget, but its a totally different gadget. Bawolff (talk) 09:46, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Perfect. Got it working here on EN WP User:Doc_James#CT_scan_viewer. Agree a bit of fine tuning is still required.

I like the idea of a progress loading bar. As User:DMacks suggests lets move the scroll bar to the right of the image. We will need a naming convention for these pages User:Doc James/Appendicitis CT Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 15:43, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

this link can be used to manually enable to gadget once for others that want to see this without doing the opt-in. — xaosflux ^Talk 18:13, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Next steps[edit]

We have implemented a bunch of the suggestions made above, see this link. Any further comments or can we have this go live and start using these in main space? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 18:38, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ping User:TheDJ and User:DMacks Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 18:39, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looking very nice, but I still think it needs a bit more work for mobile. I'd still say that my fingers are not 3mm x 3mm. Additionally the right positioning of the controls now gets into the scroll zone, which is possibly even worse. I can trigger the rubber banding of the scroll area, and if I zoom in, we overlap with the scrollbar of the viewport. If you switch to desktop skin on mobile, you have the same, but zoomed out 6 times so you really do need that zooming and scrollbar. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 22:33, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How about we use swipe right / left on mobile to move through images? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 05:22, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My concerns about consistency in direction of scrolling are resolved. For the record, I'm using a desktop machine. DMacks (talk) 05:32, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:TheDJ We have done a bunch of work on the mobile interface. Let me know if you have further concerns. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 04:36, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Phantom redirects[edit]

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T331127

I'm running into the recurrence of a problem I've brought here a few times before, where an incategory search of Category:Living people for drafts or user sandbox pages that shouldn't be in it offers up several pages that aren't actually pages in the category but cross-namespace redirects to real articles, which resulted from an editor adding categories to the page while it was still in draft or user space, and then moving the page into mainspace shortly afterward. That's a relatively common occurrence which doesn't usually cause any serious problems, but every once in a while it causes situations like this, where for some reason the redirect lingers in the categories despite not actually having any categories on it.

In the past I've usually resolved this by redoing the move: I would move the page back overtop the redirect, wrap the categories in the {{draft categories}} wrapper to disable them, and then move the page back into articlespace again, which usually worked to get the redirect out of the category — but of the four such redirects currently showing up in the search, I've already done that on two of them, meaning even that trick isn't working anymore.

Additionally, I need to note that there are four phantom redirects currently showing up in the search, yet the results counter at the top of the page is claiming that there are eight pages, meaning that there are four more phantoms I can't even find.

Because Category:Living people is a megacategory with millions of pages in it, it's not a category I can search manually for draft or user pages — it has to be done as an incategory search, which means I can't just work around permanent speed bumps and need the tool to be clean. It might also be related to the replag problem that's been discussed above, because even the normal categorized drafts or userpages that I pull out of the category the normal way are taking longer than usual to clear from the search as well — but could somebody look into whether there's any way to fix it? Thanks. Bearcat (talk) 17:20, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Replag is currently around five seconds, so that's not it. It wouldn't affect searches on the live site anyway.

If I query the database for members of Category:Living people that are in namespaces user, draft, or their corresponding talk, I get no results. All four of the current false positives in search (Draft:Amre Hamcho, User:Miminity/Yoshinobu Yamakawa, User:Minmarion/sandbox/voice, User:WikiOriginal-9/David Hinds (gridiron football)) were moved within the last 24 hours. And neither a null edit nor an actual edit (both to User:Miminity/Yoshinobu Yamakawa) helped. Taken together, these lead me to guess - with absolutely no knowledge whatsoever of how the search backend works, mind you - that it's only the search indices that are out of date.

I suppose it's worth checking back in a day or so, without your move/edit/move workaround, to see if they clear up themselves. Failing that, I can build a database report for you, which might be more convenient than the search. (That is, unless you're worried about search results, too, not just what appears on the category page.) Any other categories to check besides Category:Living people? —Cryptic 18:39, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bearcat: Have you tried this?

Navigate to the redirect that is incorrectly listed at Category:Living people
Edit the redir page to add [[Category:Living people]] and save it
Edit the redir page to remove [[Category:Living people]] and save it

Does this work to delist the redirect from Category:Living people? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:15, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't Bearcat (talk) 00:32, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Font size bug - mobile[edit]

Hello, I have question. For quite some time now, The font size is not correctly shown when I want to see it on visual editing (i mostly work with filmografies of actors) - basically, I want to change font size from 100 to 80, and its not working at all. It stays same. The whole filmography also gets bigger sometimes for some reason when I want to edit it only by visual editing. I remember there was a discussion about this long time ago but I dont know if there was any improvement. I work on mobile, so I dont know whether pc users have this problem as well. If there is any sollution or way how to make it work, feel free to comment your suggestions. Thx in advance. Kesseder (talk) 17:55, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This search has timed out. You may wish to try different search parameters.[edit]

I'm getting this error pretty frequently lately when opening my watchlist. Maybe a third of the time over the past several days. Anyone know what this is? — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 01:32, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reset your filters, so the page has to do fewer calculations ? Your watchlist is probably really large, I assume. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 10:22, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Rhododendrites: It could be several different things, or more likely, a combination of these.

A large number of pages are listed at Special:EditWatchlist/raw
A significant proportion of pages listed at Special:EditWatchlist/raw have been edited recently
Some of the pages listed at Special:EditWatchlist/raw have recieved large numbers of edits recently

Things to try:

Go through Special:EditWatchlist/raw and remove pages that you're no longer interested in
If you are watching a high-traffic page (like WP:ANI), unwatch it
At Watchlist options, try
- reducing the period of time to display
- applying some of the "Hide" options
- selecting one namespace (possibly with its Associated namespace enabled) rather than all

HTH. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 10:41, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I do have a very large watchlist (17k pages), but this issue started happening all of a sudden a few days ago and the list has barely changed in recent weeks. I don't think I've ever once seen the error before then. It's also inconsistent. If I just refresh a few times, it'll display. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 13:44, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But the software and servers change all the time. If you are up to those numbers, even half percent of change in performance on that side can easily push you over an edge. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 14:07, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Rhododendrites You can try User:Ahecht/Scripts/watchlistcleaner to clean out unneeded or stale pages from your watchlist, but with 17k pages you may have to let it run overnight. I've only tested it on about half that many pages. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 01:53, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Frankly, though, I don't want to change my watchlist. It's huge, yeah, and includes a ton of e.g. deleted pages, but I like being able to see when something is recreated or when someone edits a page from way-back-when that probably shouldn't be edited anymore. Edits to inactive pages sneak through too easily sometimes. I'm just kind of surprised that I've had a massive watchlist for years (I became an active editor playing with counter-vandalism tools and AWB, so built up a huge watchlist early) and it's never caused a problem. Of all the things that use memory on Wikipedia, it's volunteers' watchlists that need to be limited? — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 14:29, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Almost everything is limited. It’s just that most people don't know about that because they hardly ever run into those limits. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 17:23, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's more common on other projects (where RC tables are larger as well though), but I don't think 17K pages should be close to where these problems would start to occur (at least when you only select to display 50 or 100 pages, maybe). 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 18:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The likelihood of a timeout can vary depending on how much load the servers are under. More load, more likelihood of a timeout. Watchlists are actually the single most database intensive feature on Wikipedia, probably by a fairly wide margin. On smaller wikis, adjusting the time period to search can help a lot but on a wiki the size of Wikipedia not so much. (Essentially there are two methods of calculating the watchlist depending on if the number of changes in the time period being search is smaller or larger than the amount of entries in your watchlist. On Wikipedia you'd probably have to set that super low before it made a difference because so many edits are happening all the time). Most of the other filters (including total number of results to show) don't make much of a difference most of the time, although there might be edge cases where they matter. Bawolff (talk) 00:04, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for this background. Did not know they were the most database intensive feature, but I guess that makes sense. So I take this to mean the only way to fix it is to remove pages from the list? — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 00:07, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rhododendrites, you could remove some pages from your watchlist and put links to those pages somewhere in your userspace, then use Special:RecentChangesLinked on that page as a kind of pseudo-watchlist. That'd allow you to split your watchlist into smaller chunks for the servers to process, at the cost of part of your watchlist becoming public. Rummskartoffel 16:28, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I get this off-and-on, started about a week ago. No particular time of day afaict. My watchlist has been in the 25-26k range for ages, so it's not down to any change on my part. DuncanHill (talk) 16:47, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Desktop and mobile view on same page[edit]

I just got a new Windows 11 laptop. When I start using Wikipedia, it shrinks the display area (but not the very top menu bar} to about 2/3 of the available width, then below the normal desktop view it shows a sort-of mobile view of the same page. See screenshot to the right. Wikipedia still looks fine on the old laptop. Is this a bug or some obscure configuration problem? Aymatth2 (talk) 13:46, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You installed this (old) script which does this: User:קיפודנחש/mobile-sidebarcopy.js. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 14:10, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I thought it was something dumb like that. Taking out the old script fixes the problem. Both laptops are fairly up to date Windows 11, but there must be some difference in their configuration. Aymatth2 (talk) 15:03, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Broken parsing/HTML generation near math tags[edit]

Look at the vertical spacing here. The source code has a single blank line to separate the paragraphs, as usual, but the result is terrible. Moreover, examining the HTML DOM in both Firefox and Chrome reveals that the end on the first paragraph ("In fact...") is actually outside any paragraph tags, but there's an empty <p></p> between "...Killing form)." and "This cross-product..." (which apparently creates that huge gap). A similar situation can be seen in the next section as well (before "Alternatively, one may...").

I've noticed that vertical spacing around <math> some time ago became noticeable broken in some cases (seemingly regardless of <math display="block"> or : <math> and blank lines before/after). Initially I was expecting that somebody else will notice that quickly and repair, then I forgot and was lazy to investigate, but this outstandingly wrong occurrence made me think that it must be at least reported... — Mikhail Ryazanov (talk) 09:41, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest making screenshots, because I’m not sure what you mean with ‘terrible’ —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 11:52, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've made screenshots at archive.is (to be sure that it's not my local problem):

using the current default Vector (2022) skin,
using the previous default Vector legacy skin.

Now it seems to me that even though the "legacy" skin didn't have so obvious problems, they were still present, but partially hidden because paragraphs didn't have bottom padding added (for what reason?) in the new skin. Please also take a look at some tests with comments that I've made in my sandbox:

with Vector (2022),
with Vector legacy.

Examining the DOM again reveals that the generated HTML is not correct (or recent versions of both Firefox and Chrome can't parse it properly, which is unlikely). — Mikhail Ryazanov (talk) 01:11, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the screenshot. So "the result is terrible" means a few mm extra whitespace. Your link [9] uses <math display="block">. We add whitespace to that with code in MediaWiki:Common.css:

/* Make <math display="block"> be left aligned with one space indent for 
 * compatibility with style conventions
 */
.mwe-math-fallback-image-display,
.mwe-math-mathml-display {
	margin-left: 1.6em !important;
	margin-top: 0.6em;
	margin-bottom: 0.6em;
}

Compare to a safemode link where local CSS like MediaWiki:Common.css is ignored. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:23, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Paragraph spacing is the subject of much recent discussion in phab:T362939 after the WMF changed paragraphs to use padding rather than margin. I would guess this is the issue you have identified. They intend to fix their previous decision making. (Apparently a math-specific one is phab:T361273 but that probably should be closed duplicate.)

As for a bad DOM, that's probably phab:T182041. Izno (talk) 02:28, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK, phab:T182041 is apparently the root cause (made more obvious by phab:T362939 changes), reported many years ago, but nobody really cares... Would it be too difficult to use <span> instead of <div> to make it work properly? — Mikhail Ryazanov (talk) 04:07, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Detecting transclusion through a redirect[edit]

In Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 May 22#Template:Edit semi-protected a reason some editors, including myself, are opposed to merging is that the merged template will no longer be able to work properly if used on an unprotected page (which can happen in the case of an unprotected WP:ARBECR page, for example). SilverLocust put it like this: If these were all redirected to one template, then there would be a loss of functionality unless someone knows how to tell a module not merely which wrapper is invoking a module (since there would only be one merged wrapper), but rather which redirect is being used to transclude the wrapper that invokes the module (and I don't think that is possible). So, is that right? Or is there a way to detect which redirect is used and merge the templates without any loss of functionality? Nickps (talk) 14:07, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Nickps The module could use getContent() to get the text of the current page and then search it for one of the redirect templates. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 02:30, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would oppose that as confusing and probably inefficient. Editors expect it to make no difference whether a redirect is used. If we really want a certain "redirect" to behave differently then don't make it a redirect but a wrapper which passes a certain parameter. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:47, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and that's exactly what has been done (but is proposed to be undone by merging the templates). Certes (talk) 13:56, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Certes It's no less efficient than what every single citation template is currently doing (using getContent() to get the text of the current page and then searching the text for date format templates). --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 16:59, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Recent change somewhere in Wikipedia/Wikimedia has broken chart labels in Module:Chart[edit]

Something changed recently and now all charts generated by Module:Chart have broken and the top text label no longer displays properly. As you can even see on the help page for the charts, the top label of the chart has half the text chopped in half. I can't track down why this would have happened. Does anyone know where this could come from? It didn't use to do this a few weeks ago and nothing has changed on the page itself so it must be inherited from elsewhere on wikipedia. I've tested with Firefox, Safari and Chrome and all seem to have this issue so it doesn't appear to be limited to certain browser versions. Looking at archives on archive.org for some pages, it was still working as of the beginning of May but haven't found any page archives within the last few weeks yet. Here's one example of what it should look like. And here's what that section looks like currently. Ergzay (talk) 06:41, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Through some asking questions I found that apparently a "overflow-x: auto;" media query was added globally across wikipedia, something that is very wrong to do. Anyone know where the code is for this so a bug report can be filed? Ergzay (talk) 07:52, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It appears that gerrit:c/mediawiki/core/+/1035574 moved the "noresize" class from the Minerva skin to core code loaded by all skins. Anomie ⚔ 10:46, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

update Credits[edit]

Who is responsible for running the maintenance script updateCredits.php, and how often is it run? wbm1058 (talk) 15:41, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Generally it is run once per major MediaWiki release by those making the release. So every 6 months or so. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 17:20, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So, next up in 1.42, expected later this month. Thanks! wbm1058 (talk) 14:21, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tech News: 2024-23[edit]

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

It is now possible for local administrators to add new links to the bottom of the site Tools menu without JavaScript. Documentation is available. [10]
The message name for the definition of the tracking category of WikiHiero has changed from "MediaWiki:Wikhiero-usage-tracking-category" to "MediaWiki:Wikihiero-usage-tracking-category". [11]
One new wiki has been created: a Wikipedia in Kadazandusun (w:dtp:) [12]

Changes later this week

The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 4 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 5 June. It will be on all wikis from 6 June (calendar). [13][14]

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Are images transfers to WikiData working? (repost from help desk)[edit]

I use Wiki Shoot Me to take photos for Wikipedia while I’m traveling. Typically you can identify articles that need photos by looking for yellow dots indicating Wikipedia articles and larger red circles near by indicating WikiData items without photos (as previously these seemed to sync). In two cases recently I noticed articles with CC-licensed images placed correctly in the lead and appropriately sized that did not have their photos synced with WikiData: National Hotel (Q65056276) and Wet Mountain Valley (Q7989973). I know the page image is being picked up because they display correctly on Special:Nearby using their coordinates: National Hotel and Wet Mountain Valley. It looks like they’re just not making it to WikiData. - Scarpy (talk) 05:46, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not aware of any bot or tool which scrapes Wikipedia articles for suitable images to import into Wikidata. This may be an idea worth exploring, but there would be plenty of false positives. For example, on an article about an artist, if we do not have an image of the artist it is common to include a picture of one of their well known works instead. This would not be suitable for importing to Wikidata, and I can't think of a reliable way for an automatic process to detect these. Perhaps a semi-automated tool (which makes suggestions but requires manual review) is the way to go? I suggest you post at Wikidata:Project chat for a more informed response. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:50, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I found WDFIST which seems to do something like this — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:53, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanking other users[edit]

The link for thanking other users for their edits H:THANK is currently not available on my browser based interface. Am I missing something here? ♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 19:51, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well that's bizarre, it's back again. It was definitely missing earlier today.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 20:35, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ianmacm, if you're using different devices, different networks, proxies, VPNs, or any combination of these, then you might be affected by an IP range block. The "thank" links are hidden in such cases. —⁠andrybak (talk) 18:43, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's useful. Maybe something along these lines could be added to H:THANK, as I read through this page and could not figure out why the thank link did not show up.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 19:22, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cite error: Invalid ref tag; no text was provided for refs named[edit]

In Economy of South Asia there are four "Cite error: Invalid <ref> tag; no text was provided for refs named..." error messages. I found the definitions in Economy of India, and copied them to the Economy of South Asia article following the example in Help:Cite_errors/Cite_error_references_no_text#List-defined_references, but I've still got the error messages and also some new messages about ref names not being used. How do I fix it? Thanks, DuncanHill (talk) 10:28, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Scrub it, I managed to guess the answer. I have to give the refs a different name in the definition to that used in the text. I expect someone thought that was clever, especially when combined with not mentioning it on the help page. DuncanHill (talk) 10:32, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is an undocumented feature in {{Excerpt}}. It adds the page name to ref names it's transcluding. Economy of India says <ref name="India_kapur"/> and defines it elsewhere with <ref name="India_kapur">...</ref>. That works fine in the article itself but {{Excerpt|Economy of India}} only transcludes the reuse and changes it to <ref name="Economy of India India_kapur"/>. If you manually copy the definition then you have to change name="India_kapur" to name="Economy of India India_kapur", as you found out. The purpose of the name change is to avoid a clash with an existing reference using the same name in the article calling {{Excerpt}}. VisualEditor often creates the same ref names so it can easily happen for completely unrelated references. It should certainly be documented in the template, and maybe mentioned as a possible cause in Help:Cite errors/Cite error references no text. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:58, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. VisualEditor refnames are a menace, when people copy-paste lumps of articles they often produce clashes. Excerpt generates both undefined refname errors and harv/sfn no-target errors. I can see how adding the name can stop clashes, but it needs to be mentioned on the help page for the error messages. DuncanHill ::(talk) 12:05, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like {{Excerpt}} does try to handle the case where the ref is defined elsewhere in the page. But for some reason it's failing in that particular case. Anomie ⚔ 12:09, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like the "some reason" is that those four refs are defined inside an infobox parameter. When the reference fix-up runs the infobox is still present, so it sees no need to fix anything. Then, later, the code strips out the infobox and along with it the definitions of those four refs. Anomie ⚔ 12:30, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Help_desk#Where_did_all_the_bytes_go?[edit]

If you can, please join and explain why this edit [15] is marked in the edit-history [16] as "+10,000‎". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:21, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gråbergs Gråa Sång, the user appears to have added a very large number of invisible Unicode characters. Specifically it's the Combining Grapheme Joiner character hundreds of times.
Credit to the user script w:de:Benutzer:Schnark/js/diff which shows invisible characters as well as their names. — Qwerfjkl talk 14:04, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:30, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Courtesy link Combining grapheme joiner. DuncanHill (talk) 16:48, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Need help finding incoming link on a page[edit]

Can someone help me ... find the link to Wikipedia:Graphics Lab that is apparently on the page Sir William Ramsay School? I've been trying to find it to see if the link is valid in its placement, but to no avail. Steel1943 (talk) 17:58, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It came from | image_size = {{ifc| (low quality)}}, which I removed as it was misusing the parameter. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:10, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's Thursday, 6 June and I have spots before my eyes[edit]

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T366845

See this diff, where one line was moved. The moved line ought to be preceded with curved arrows, on both the left- and right-hand sides. Instead, I see that these arrows are obscured by large black discs. If I hover my mouse over the disc, it resoves to the correct curved arrow, but returns to being a disc on moving the mouse away. This started happening in the last half hour. Firefox 126.0.1, all skins, logged in or out. I blame WP:ITSTHURSDAY. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:42, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can confirm. Same issue for Extended Support Release version of Firefox. Similar on Chrome and desktop site version on Mobile Firefox, except that the black disks are respectively dark blue and dark grey there. Desktop site on Mobile Chrome gives emoji-style white curved arrows in a blue box rather than plain box-less curved arrows with or without obscuring dot. AddWittyNameHere 20:09, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've filed phab:T366845 for this. Also happens with inline mode as well. Izno (talk) 20:24, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You can also click them, they take you to where the software thinks the line was moved to or from (with no highlight whatsoever), not sure why they were turned into black discs though. – 2804:F14:809B:2701:19B4:583A:7C56:999F (talk) 20:53, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh yes, you can click them... but you could click them before today. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:33, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wow. – 2804:F14:809B:2701:19B4:583A:7C56:999F (talk) 22:35, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And I've been Ctrl+F-ing moved lines like a dummy this whole time‽ (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ And it's not really that hard to discover yourself

Self-trout. —⁠andrybak (talk) 08:44, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I too am seeing this same exact issue on edit diff pages. Also Firefox 126.0.1 64-bit here, I think it happened on my Linux computer as well. Vector 2022 skin.

I didn't know you could click on the arrows, that's something new I learned today! — AP 499D25 (talk) 08:34, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following code does kill the black spots, but it is very dirty and I really don't want to leave it like that. Is there an edit preview event that I can hook to?
setInterval( function() {$('.mw-diff-movedpara-left, .mw-diff-movedpara-right').text(''); }, 666); — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me}

There is wikipage.diff —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 09:26, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. The code now reads — mw.hook( 'wikipage.diff' ).add( function() { $('.mw-diff-movedpara-left, .mw-diff-movedpara-right').text(''); } );

That works fine and is clean enough for me to feel that it can stay there if I don't notice when

T366845 gets fixed — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 10:08, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That was a bug? I thought it was some new design change. — Qwerfjkl talk 16:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Scores won't play MIDI inside rendered mainspace?[edit]

Some JavaScript script loads, and on e.g. Syncopation, clicking on the JS'd play buttons just load forever now. Disabling JS enables normal playback, and page previews don't have this issue. Aaron Liu (talk) 20:57, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WikidataInfo[edit]

Hi!!! In it.wiki there's a gadget that show me a link to the wikidata item. Is possible to have it also in other wikis? Is there a way to activate tha same preferences on all wikimedia projects?
Thanks for help Esc0fans -and my 12 points go to... 08:08, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There should be a "Wikidata item" option under the Tools menu. That takes you to the matching Wikidata page — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 09:21, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Help needed with collapsible infobox section templates[edit]

On the Ryzen article (permalink), I added Template:Collapsed infobox section begin and Template:Collapsed infobox section end to some parts of the Template:Infobox CPU to make it so they are put into collapsed boxes. The cache one came out fine aside from odd indenting which looks like it can be fixed using an additional parameter for CISB, however the transistor count one is not working as intended. While the transistor count entries are indeed in the box, the core count and extension parameters are also somehow in the collapsed template even though the CISB template is placed below them. What could be causing this? Is there some issue with Template:Infobox CPU? I turned on the syntax highlighter and couldn't see anything that sticks out, but my knowledge of template programming is quite minimal.

I tried enabling parameter "hide_subheadings=yes" for the infobox, and also tried adding "div=yes" parameters to the CISB templates (after seeing an editor remove it for lint error), neither of which have rectified the issue. — AP 499D25 (talk) 08:11, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@AP 499D25: The display order of infobox fields is not determined by the order in the call but by the coding of the infobox template. The call can use any order and the order is ignored. The {{{name}}} box at the right of Template:Infobox CPU shows that the field right before transistors is numinstructions. Ryzen doesn't use that field so we go back one more field to extensions. That's where {{Collapsed infobox section begin}} should be placed if you only want transistors collapsed. I have reorganized the call accordingly.[17] Is that the result you want? I didn't actually have to move down the extensions parameter. Since the call order is ignored, I could instead have moved up {{Collapsed infobox section begin}} to wherever extensions is placed in the call, but my call layout is easier to understand and less likely to be broken later. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:49, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at User talk:Enterprisey/script-installer#Confusing history of importScript[edit]

You are invited to join the discussion at User talk:Enterprisey/script-installer § Confusing history of importScript. —⁠andrybak (talk) 12:39, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template-generated redlinked categories[edit]

The latest run of Special:WantedCategories features a cluster of redlinked categories that are being somehow autogenerated by WikiProject templates — but I can't work out where they're coming from because the category declaration does not exist in either the template or its documentation, and none of the templates have been edited recently to suddenly generate new categories that didn't exist before this week, which means they're being passed through by a new coding change somewhere other than the templates themselves, such as in a module or a template framework I'm not familiar with.

But I can't justify creating most of them either, as they mostly seem to correspond to task forces rather than full wikiprojects, and thus would never have categories at the names that have been newly autogenerated for them — and in many cases they already have categories located at different names than the ones that have been newly autogenerated for them, which are sitting on the template alongside the redlink. By and large, they seem to correspond word-for-word to the name of the template itself, meaning that most likely some edit somewhere has caused an erroneous assumption that every WikiProject template should automatically generate an eponymous category matching its own name, which is obviously not the case.

So I'm at a loss. Could somebody look into the following categories, and figure out how to resolve them?

Thanks. Bearcat (talk) 17:56, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Created the first one, which is an upstream software change not related to the others. The others were due to recent changes to Module:WikiProject banner/templatepage, which I've now reverted. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:05, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's related to recent work by MSGJ (talk · contribs) and others. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:34, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Quarry - now fails with error[edit]

Greetings, Earlier today, I ran this query to find Orphan articles. It previously ran Ok. First error View 'enwiki_p.pagelinks' references invalid table(s) or column(s) or function(s) or definer/invoker of view lack rights to use them. I then logged off, waited a while, logged back in, then Second error Unknown column 'pl.pl_title' in 'on clause' .

This afternoon, same (second) error, so I ran this query instead. Same error Unknown column 'pl.pl_title' in 'on clause' .

I have no idea how to fix, so I am reporting here and hoping a Quarry expert will be able to correct. Regards, JoeNMLC (talk) 19:55, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 212#Tech News: 2024-20. The sql munging given there is a really bad idea that won't work at all in some queries, and there's conceivably queries where it would appear to work but change the meaning, but it looks like it'll work ok for your two. —Cryptic 20:26, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

THanks @Cryptic - tried to follow those instructions without any luck. For example, broken Quarry code:

77922 Orphaned - June, 2024

USE enwiki_p;
SELECT p.page_title
FROM page p
INNER JOIN categorylinks c ON p.page_id = c.cl_from AND c.cl_to = "Orphaned_articles_from_June_2024"
INNER JOIN pagelinks pl ON p.page_title = pl.pl_title AND p.page_namespace = pl.pl_namespace
INNER JOIN page p2 ON p2.page_id = pl.pl_from
AND pl.pl_from_namespace = 0 and p2.page_is_redirect=0
GROUP BY p.page_title
having COUNT(pl.pl_from)>1
ORDER BY COUNT(pl.pl_from) desc, p.page_title;

I may be good a cloning a quarry that works (changing month/year), but have zero knowledge of how to fix. Above is the broken one. If someone here can fix, that would be great. Thanks. JoeNMLC (talk) 20:55, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here you go. —Cryptic 21:15, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]