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= May 11 =
== License cc-by-sa plus additional restrictions ==


== Flag of Minnesota ==
Some people add additional license restrictions like [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Linz_Mari%C3%A4-Empf%C3%A4ngnis-Dom_Neuer_Dom_Ober%C3%B6sterreich_Foto_2010_Wolfgang_Pehlemann_IMG_4960.jpg?uselang=de adding my name ... directly under the photo ... additionally using or re-using only with my original file name]. Who decides which additional restrictions are accepted at commons and whether and how re-users can be warned that this is actually no cc-by-sa license but something else (what exactly)? See [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Once_again_License_problems_with_images_from_Wolfgang_Pehlemann the previous discussion(s) on the Adminstrator's noticeboard] for previous discussions. --[[User:NeoUrfahraner|NeoUrfahraner]] ([[User talk:NeoUrfahraner|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 05:13, 15 June 2011 (UTC)


Maybe that wasn't the wisest move. [[:File:Flag of Minnesota.svg]] is now the new, current flag of Minnesota. But until it was moved yesterday by [[User:Mateus2019]], the file that is now [[:File:Flag of Minnesota (1983–2024).svg]] was using that file name. The result is that Wikipedia pages or page sections in various language versions that explicitly deal with Minnesota's old flag suddenly wrongly show the new flag, because it's using the same file name. For example, I had to update [[:de:Siegel Minnesotas]] which basically said "the seal of Minnesota is shown on the state flag" accompanied by the new state flag which doesn't show the seal at all. Of course this was a good opportunity to also update the text to say that it's shown on the ''old'' state flag, but I don't know how many similar cases there may be in the many projects that use [[:File:Flag of Minnesota.svg]]. [[User:Gestumblindi|Gestumblindi]] ([[User talk:Gestumblindi|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:35, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
:It seems that some of the licenses accepted at Commons allow such restrictions. Unless we limit the use of such licenses, it is acceptable. -- [[User talk:Docu|<span style="font-size:80%;border:#000 solid 1px;padding:0"><span style="margin:0;color:#CE2029">&nbsp;Docu&nbsp;</span></span>]] <span style="font-size:75%">at</span> 06:13, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
:I agree. Existing filenames should not be repurposed for new different files UNLESS they carry the {{tl|Current}} template. This causes chaos for any wikis that uses [[:mw:InstantCommons|InstantCommons]] (which includes a lot more than just Wikipedia). [[User:Abzeronow]], FYI. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:40, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
: {{ping|Fry1989}} The redirect was moved to the new file after Mateus had moved the file to a different name (that same user also filed a DR [[Commons:Deletion requests/File:Flag of Minnesota.svg]] so the redirect could be deleted.) I believe most wikis were using it to show what the flag of Minnesota is and I had believed at the time, there was enough consensus to do the move. I probably could have waited a day or two for the various wikis to change text to prepare for the change in the flags, but I do believe the move was less disruptive than the alternative. However, in the future, I'll wait to verify there is consensus to move the file if a similar case happens. [[User:Abzeronow|Abzeronow]] ([[User talk:Abzeronow|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:56, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
::When flags have changed in the past, the move of the old flag to include the bracketed years of use and the new flag taking over the current namespace was performed in relatively short order. I find this rather silly. Projects are editable, any "disruption" can be easily corrected. '''[[User:Fry1989|<span style="color:#003384;">Fry1989</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Fry1989|<span style="color:#cc111a;">eh?</span>]]</sup>''' 16:59, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
:::I think that Commons shouldn't force projects using Commons files to edit their pages. As the articles on the flag of Minnesota need all updating of the text anyway, too, I think that in the meantime an outdated article that correctly describes and shows the old flag of Minnesota is still better than a "mix-up" article that talks about the old flag and shows the new flag alongside (because it's automatically embedded from Commons...) - Projects shouldn't have to deal with Commons files suddenly changing their content completely. [[User:Gestumblindi|Gestumblindi]] ([[User talk:Gestumblindi|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:11, 17 May 2024 (UTC)


= May 14 =
::"some of the licenses accepted at Commons allow such restrictions". Which licenses allow restrictions, which licenses do not allow restrictions? --[[User:NeoUrfahraner|NeoUrfahraner]] ([[User talk:NeoUrfahraner|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 07:31, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
:::There was a previous discussion on this, but I'm not sure where it took place. You may want to try searching the archives of this page. — Cheers, [[User:Jacklee|<span style="color:#CE2029">Jack</span><span style="color:#800000">'''Lee'''</span>]] <sup>–[[User talk:Jacklee|talk]]–</sup> 07:57, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
::::Nothing found. --[[User:NeoUrfahraner|NeoUrfahraner]] ([[User talk:NeoUrfahraner|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 08:20, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
::::That is not the issue. ''The previous discussions had no conclusion or final result''. In other words: We have no consensus how to handle this cases. In fact most licenses allow modifications. ''But'' this usually leads to a new incompatible licenses and to incorrect license tags.
::::* ''Incompatible licenses:'' For example we have "CC-BY-SA" (A), "CC-BY-SA + X" (B) and "CC-BY-SA + Y" (C). The license itself declares that changes will create a new license. The compatibility part states that A, B and C are incompatible. That means that we cant combine A with B or B with C and in any other combination anymore. We loose the possibility to combine works, since the licenses are incompatible.
::::* ''Wrong Tagging:'' Since a modification to a license creates a new license, the images are tagged wrongly. They are for example categorized as "CC-BY-SA 3.0" (using the template + X). But they are not licensed under the CC-BY-SA 3.0 license. They use "CC-BY-SA + X". Automated services will trip over this issue very easily. They can't understand the additions and will accidentally create copyright violations.
::::In the end I'm very worried about such additional restrictions. We create a license jungle of incompatibilities and make correct (automated) re-usage harder or impossible. Keeping an eye on the main goals of the project I'm convinced that we should not allow such custom derivative licensing. Instead i would appreciate to limit the set of acceptable (minimum of required) licenses even further to enhance compatibility. --[[User:Niabot| <span style="color:#000;white-space:nowrap">／人<span style="color:#B0485F">◕</span> ‿‿ <span style="color:#B0485F">◕</span>人＼</span>]] [[User talk:Niabot|<span lang="ja">苦情処理係</span>]] 08:39, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
*cc-by-sa allows specific demands for attribution, but Commons limits then to common-sense (haha) also the demand can't be in the picture itself, as that would be an ND restriction (but we also allow German stamps you can't crop, this is a hypocrisy). These restrictions don't necessarily create incompatible licenses as long as the attribution demand is kept. -[[User:Nard the Bard|Nard]] <font color="red">([[User talk:Nard the Bard|Hablemonos]])</font><font color="mediumslateblue">([[User talk:Nard the Bard|Let's talk]])</font> 09:03, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
:cc-by-sa does not allow such restrictions: [http://wiki.creativecommons.org/FAQ#Can_I_insist_on_the_exact_placement_of_the_attribution_credit_for_my_work.3F Can I insist on the exact placement of the attribution credit for my work? No.]. So we do not have a cc-by-sa license but some other license with a misleading cc-by-sa tag. --[[User:NeoUrfahraner|NeoUrfahraner]] ([[User talk:NeoUrfahraner|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 09:11, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
Let me, for once, speak my mind : these claims are bogus and a abuse of the Creative Commons license − people « '''cannot''' insist on the exact placement of the attribution credit for their work » (see their [http://wiki.creativecommons.org/FAQ#Can_I_insist_on_the_exact_placement_of_the_attribution_credit_for_my_work.3F FAQ]).
We do not do anything against these abuses because we have to be extra-nice to our Photographs™ in fear they might Leave The Project™. [[User:Jean-Frédéric|Jean-Fred]] ([[User talk:Jean-Frédéric|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 09:27, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
:One very simple addition to CC-BY-SA 3.0 came to my mind when i explained the issues above. How about this additional restriction:
:::''"Since my additional claims constitute a new license you are not allowed to combine this image with CC-BY-SA or any other not CC-BY-SA compatible licensed image, until CC-BY-SA itself claims to be compatible with this new license terms. The preceding sentence is the condition. You are free to modify and to distribute the image under CC-BY-SA 3.0 while keeping this license terms intact."''
:That sounds crazy. But it is what we have in this situation, even if it is not written that way. --[[User:Niabot| <span style="color:#000;white-space:nowrap">／人<span style="color:#B0485F">◕</span> ‿‿ <span style="color:#B0485F">◕</span>人＼</span>]] [[User talk:Niabot|<span lang="ja">苦情処理係</span>]] 09:41, 15 June 2011 (UTC)


== I didn't find a map with the purpose I wanted ==
Requirements on the placement of attribution limit the range of transformations and adaptations that can be made. Therefore, works with such requirements are non-free works, which are not accepted at Commons. As an example, if the attribution ''must'' be ''directly below'' a photograph, it is impossible to use that photo on the cover of a book spanning the whole page. Attribution ''on'' the front page or on one of the first pages of the book are a reasonable, industry-standard means of implementing the attribution, but would not be compatible with such a requirement. Remember that works should be reusable in collages, motion pictures, in painted form, interpreted as a sculpture, and in any other conceivable form. ''—[[User:LX|LX]] ([[User_talk:LX|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/LX|contribs]])'' 10:20, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
:I agree with this. The history up to now is that I contacted the copyright holder and asked him to adjust his license. He refused to do it, so I made a [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Kristiansand_Gamle_Varoddbrua_1956_auf_der_Varodd-Br%C3%BCcke_L_618_m_Spannweite_337_Foto_2010_Wolfgang_Pehlemann_DSCN1547.jpg deletion request.] That particular image was deleted and the decision was supported during the [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Undeletion_requests/Archive/2011-05#:File:Kristiansand_Gamle_Varoddbrua_1956_auf_der_Varodd-Br.C3.BCcke_L_618_m_Spannweite_337_Foto_2010_Wolfgang_Pehlemann_DSCN1547.jpg undeletion request]. Then the same copyright holder made an upload of another image under the same restricted license, I made a [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Bayreuth_Eremitage_das_neue_Schloss_mit_dem_Eingang_-_Foto_2011_Wolfgang_Pehlemann_DSCN7042.jpg deletion request] for the new image with the result that the new image was kept. The reason for keeping was [http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Bayreuth_Eremitage_das_neue_Schloss_mit_dem_Eingang_-_Foto_2011_Wolfgang_Pehlemann_DSCN7042.jpg&diff=55285652&oldid=55285484 Concerning the question whether the additional condition "directly under the photo" can be used, a DR is a wrong place to discuss]. Let's hope that here is the right place to find some conclusion how to treat such licenses. --[[User:NeoUrfahraner|NeoUrfahraner]] ([[User talk:NeoUrfahraner|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 10:53, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
::Clearly we should be consistent about this. I agree with LX's conclusion that such imposing restrictions on how attribution must be done restrict reuse in a way that is fundamentally incompatible with our policy and our mission. However, I also agree that, despite all the practical issues it creates, authors should be able to release works under any license they like, including a modified or extended version of a CC license, and that ''some'' of these ''are'' compatible with our licensing terms. The burden is on us to evaluate each new license as it appears. I believe the best way to do that is as follows:
::# Move the licensing terms into a template, if they are not in one already (possibly a user space template).
::# Nominate the template for deletion.
::# (clarifying edit) If the template is deleted as an invalid license, delete all images using the template.
::This is the way we have evaluated many custom licenses in the past, as in [[Commons:Deletion_requests/Template:CC-Dont-Remove_Watermark]]. We should not evaluate such custom license terms image-by-image, but rather license-by-license. [[User:Dcoetzee|Dcoetzee]] ([[User talk:Dcoetzee|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 11:14, 15 June 2011 (UTC)


:::Do I understand correctly: I should make a template with something like "adding my name ... directly under the photo", then delete that part from the cc-by-sa tag and add the restriction-template? Then we (possibly) delete the restriction-template and get a "pure" cc-by-sa license? Wouldn't this mean that I changed the license without permission of the copyright holder? --[[User:NeoUrfahraner|NeoUrfahraner]] ([[User talk:NeoUrfahraner|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 11:41, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
Hello. Have a good week. I did not find any map on Wikimedia Commons that captures the tropical and subtropical oceans of planet Earth. I'm writing about creatures that live in tropical and subtropical oceans and seas, but I don't have a map for it. [[User:Mário NET|Mário NET]] ([[User talk:Mário NET|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 00:42, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
:::: If the restrictions are incompatible with the license and these restrictions were stated at the time of the upload, the upload was invalid and the files should be deleted (if the upload doesnt rectify the situation). If the incompatible restrictions were added after the upload, we could consider those revisions to be invalid and revert them. This was done at [[Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive_23#edit_war_over_relicensing]], however that resulted in a DMCA takedown so maybe that isnt a good idea. --<span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:Jayvdb|John Vandenberg]] <sup>'''([[User talk:Jayvdb|chat]])'''</sup></span> 12:28, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::"If the incompatible restrictions were added after the upload, we could consider those revisions to be invalid and revert them." I agree with that part. Let's restrict our discussion to the case where the restrictions were stated at the time of the upload. --[[User:NeoUrfahraner|NeoUrfahraner]] ([[User talk:NeoUrfahraner|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 14:35, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
:::@Dcoetzee: This is exactly the nightmare i was talking of. We invite our uploaders to create dozens of custom licenses which are in fact incompatible with each other. This also limits the re-usage, since combining images (collage, etc.) can't be done with incompatible licenses. That is a general problem with different licenses, even with the same goals in mind. But we would make it even more of a problem if we accept such licensing. I don't think that this is compatible with the goals of Commons. --[[User:Niabot| <span style="color:#000;white-space:nowrap">／人<span style="color:#B0485F">◕</span> ‿‿ <span style="color:#B0485F">◕</span>人＼</span>]] [[User talk:Niabot|<span lang="ja">苦情処理係</span>]] 12:48, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
::::I agree with Niabot. Custom attributions licenses -- well, I am not happy with that, it makes reusing much harder (often without any legitimate reason), but ok, it's tolerable if the license is not very strict. But custom ''copyleft'' licenses?! I don't see why we should allow this, such licenses limit reusers so seriously, that on practice they are free in the words only and are hardly compatible with our mission. IMO Commons should resist to the license hell, and not to encourage it. <small>(It's sad to see pictures licensed as something like GFDL + CC-BY-SA-NC, so uploaders see GFDL as a rough equivalent of a non-commercial license, but Commons still allows it, because, well... I don't really know why, likely only because it's an RMS-approved thing. It's sad to see that such nonsense as all these pseudo-free licenses is still allowed.)</small> [[User:Trycatch|Trycatch]] ([[User talk:Trycatch|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 16:09, 15 June 2011 (UTC)


:Do you mean something like the files in [[:Category:Alisov's classification]]? --[[User:HyperGaruda|HyperGaruda]] ([[User talk:HyperGaruda|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:42, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
* obviously ignoring that the sa part places restrictions on who can use and how they use the media, in that only end users who themselves use the cc-by-sa license can use the images. [[User:Gnangarra|Gnan]][[User_talk:Gnangarra|garra]] 11:54, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
::I'm talking about a map that has colored much like the [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Killer_Whale_Range_Map.svg killer whale distribution], but a map that marked what are considered oceanic tropical and subtropical regions together and as a whole. I am writing about a genus of mollusk that sails in tropical and subtropical waters (the ''Argonaut'') and I would like to point out where this genus sails. [[User:Mário NET|Mário NET]] ([[User talk:Mário NET|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:01, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
:::You could ask for a map to be designed to your specification at [[Commons:Graphic Lab/Map workshop]]? - [[User:Broichmore|Broichmore]] ([[User talk:Broichmore|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:58, 21 May 2024 (UTC)


= May 17 =


== Wrongly uploaded file. ==
:You cannot make placement restrictions as part of a CC license. That is evident from a reading of the legal code, and is make explicit by their [http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions FAQ]:
::'''''Can I insist on the exact placement of the attribution credit for my work?'''''
::''No. CC licenses allow for flexibility in the way credit is provided depending on the means used by a licensee to re-distribute the work. There may be differences based on the format in which the content is re-used. For example, providing attribution to the author when re-distributing information via a blog post may be different than how credit is provided to an author in a video remix. All CC licenses provide that attribution is to be provided in a manner “reasonable to the medium or means” used by the licensee, and for credit to be provided in a “reasonable manner.” This flexibility facilitates compliance by licensees – minimizing the risk that overly onerous and inflexible attribution requirements are simply disregarded.''
:The question on our side then, is the restriction legally not part of the license (since they said CC-BY-SA), meaning other editors here can simply remove or ignore the requirement, or is it part of the license actually given by the user (therefore not CC-BY-SA and therefore not free)? Restrictions added after an initial upload are more obvious; we can simply remove those, though that can obviously cause friction with the author -- something we'd all like to avoid. It should be made more clear these types of restrictions are not allowed by the CC licenses if possible, to head off these situations. [[User:Clindberg|Carl Lindberg]] ([[User talk:Clindberg|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 14:45, 15 June 2011 (UTC)


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kafe_20220718_092905.jpg
Do we all agree that this condition makes the license unfree? Martina said that [http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Bayreuth_Eremitage_das_neue_Schloss_mit_dem_Eingang_-_Foto_2011_Wolfgang_Pehlemann_DSCN7042.jpg&diff=54732783&oldid=54687006 it's not less free than content under GFDL-only or FAL]. Martin H. [http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Bayreuth_Eremitage_das_neue_Schloss_mit_dem_Eingang_-_Foto_2011_Wolfgang_Pehlemann_DSCN7042.jpg&diff=55175472&oldid=55167949 said that] "The «''license addition "directly under the photo" is not acceptable''» is not mentioned in [[COM:PS#Non-allowable licence terms]]" and that it could be "a homebrewn license template based on {{tl|copyrighted free use provided that}}". If there were other licenses accepting that restriction, we could ask the copyright holder to switch to such a license. On the other hand, if we consider that condition unfree, this should be made clear in [[COM:PS#Non-allowable licence terms]]. --[[User:NeoUrfahraner|NeoUrfahraner]] ([[User talk:NeoUrfahraner|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 05:27, 16 June 2011 (UTC)


Please delete this... [[User:01x07x2022000|01x07x2022000]] ([[User talk:01x07x2022000|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:36, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
*{{Comment}} As long as we accept GFDL licenses here, it doesn't seem to make sense to make all this fuss about Wolfgang license requirements. From what I understand, his requirements, though less free than the original CC-BY-SA license, would in many occasions be much less an annoyance than the limitations imposed by GFDL (reproduce the whole license every time we reuse the image). I also agree with Dcoetzee that the best way to handle this is to make a new license from or based in Wolfgang custom license and nominate it to DR, so it can be validated or discarded in a proper debate.--[[User:Darwinius|<font color="#4153A0" face="Century Gothic" size="2">- '''Darwin'''</font>]] [[User talk:Darwinius|<font color="#4153A0"><sup>Ahoy!</sup></font>]] 06:38, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
*{{comment}} AFAIK, this thread is meant to discuss license "amendments", i.e. mandatory-worded specifications of the credit location, '''in general''', as a few DRs for this rationale have ended with a keep as well as with a delete. --[[User:Túrelio|Túrelio]] ([[User talk:Túrelio|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 06:55, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
: {{ping|01x07x2022000}} you uploaded this years ago. I see you have also started a normal DR, which at this point is probably the only process by which it can be deleted. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ! [[User talk:Jmabel|talk]] 14:52, 17 May 2024 (UTC)


== Page in PDF and page in the physical book ==
** Demanding that the same filename be used may be impossible under some operating systems. Demanding that the author's name come under the picture makes it unusable on Wikipedia. That's much worse than the GFDL.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 06:52, 16 June 2011 (UTC)


Hello. I am looking at some images scanned from [[:Category:Images from Enciclopedia României|a physical book]], like this one: [[:File:1938 CoA of interwar Zalau.jpg]]. As it is sometimes the case with digitized books, the page numbers in the resulted PDF do not match with the page numbers in the actual book. For example, while the provided image is found in the source PDF at page 1001, if we take a look at the scan we realize it was page 697 in the physical copy.
*** Wolfgang has publicly stated that his additional license requirements don't apply to Wikipedia. Though this has been twisted as a "Wikipedia only license" (which I don't believe to apply here, since it only deals with an additional requirement), it basically makes the argument that the files can't be used in Wikipedia baseless. (I agree with Turelio that this debate should be more broad than Wolfgang license requirements, but it's a good case study to take as an example, nonetheless.--[[User:Darwinius|<font color="#4153A0" face="Century Gothic" size="2">- '''Darwin'''</font>]] [[User talk:Darwinius|<font color="#4153A0"><sup>Ahoy!</sup></font>]] 07:24, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
::::IMHO we should restrict the discussion to the license text as stated on the image description page on Wikimedia commons. Of course the copyright holders can give special permissions on some other places but we should consider them only as relevant when these permissions are explictely stated on the image description page. --[[User:NeoUrfahraner|NeoUrfahraner]] ([[User talk:NeoUrfahraner|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 08:07, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
:::: Besides it not being noted in the file, it means that a Wikipedia mirror will be in violation of his license. That makes it a Wikipedia-only license.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 17:42, 16 June 2011 (UTC)


Is there a structured way to indicate both page numbers in {{tl|Information}} – like some sort of a template? If not, how would you suggest to improve the text for the <kbd>Source</kbd> parameter in order to clearly explain the difference between PDF page and physical page? ([[Special:Permalink/877158861|At the moment]] it only displays the PDF page.) Thanks. [[User:Gikü|Gikü]] ([[User talk:Gikü|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:15, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
* I have just taken the liberty of following my own advice and moving Wolfgang's various custom licenses into a series of 9 license templates:
: {{ping|Gikü}} I'm unaware of anything standard, but I've been known to write, for example, "p. 4 (p. 9 of PDF)". - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ! [[User talk:Jmabel|talk]] 22:16, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
** {{[[User:Wolfgang_Pehlemann/License]]}} (by far the most common)
** {{[[User:Wolfgang_Pehlemann/License2]]}} (used by 8 files)
** {{[[User:Wolfgang_Pehlemann/License3]]}} (used on a series of 18 files)
** {{[[User:Wolfgang_Pehlemann/License4]]}} (used on 6 files)
** {{[[User:Wolfgang_Pehlemann/License5]]}} (used on 1 file)
** {{[[User:Wolfgang_Pehlemann/License6]]}} (used on 7 files)
** {{[[User:Wolfgang_Pehlemann/License7]]}} (used on 3 files)
** {{[[User:Wolfgang_Pehlemann/License8]]}} (used on 17 files)
** {{[[User:Wolfgang_Pehlemann/License9]]}} (used on 1 file)
* All his files not using one of these are okay. Feel free to nominate for deletion any of these that you find objectionable, or include more than one of them in a single review. [[User:Dcoetzee|Dcoetzee]] ([[User talk:Dcoetzee|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 00:31, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
:OK, thank you. This gives us a possibility to handle the situation more systematically. What is still not clear to me: If one of these licenses is deleted, will we then get "automatically" a valid CC-BY-SA license? --[[User:NeoUrfahraner|NeoUrfahraner]] ([[User talk:NeoUrfahraner|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 05:07, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
::No, if one of these is deleted, that indicates that the license is unacceptable - and all images bearing that license tag must also be deleted (manually or with bot assistance). (If this is not done, the images will have a redlink for the license, and should eventually be speedied as having no license.) We cannot change the license. [[User:Dcoetzee|Dcoetzee]] ([[User talk:Dcoetzee|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 12:56, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
:::No, they should not be speedied, they must be allowed the regular 7 day grace period so that the license could be changed, if the author is willing to do so.--[[User:Darwinius|<font color="#4153A0" face="Century Gothic" size="2">- '''Darwin'''</font>]] [[User talk:Darwinius|<font color="#4153A0"><sup>Ahoy!</sup></font>]] 17:01, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
::::That's silly. If the author does not change their license during the deletion review of the template, by modifying the template (which will last at least 7 days, and probably longer), why should they be given extra time to modify each file individually, which is an arduous and error-prone way of accomplishing exactly the same thing? (Moreover, you seem to be confused regarding what "speedy deletion" is - it's deletion without discussion, not immediate deletion, and includes deletion of images without a license.) [[User:Dcoetzee|Dcoetzee]] ([[User talk:Dcoetzee|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 23:20, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::I interpret speedy as {{tl|speedy}}, the no license deletions are not exactly "speedy" in my understanding, but possibly it's common practice to use that word for them as well. In any case, I maintain that the fair and correct thing to do is to allow the 7 day grace period. The user is not forced to change the license during the DR, which may decide for its approval, after all. If the license is not approved, the images are void of license and should follow the regular path, which is tag them as no license and wait 7 days. I don't see any reason that could justify the hasty deletion of all of them simply for the fact that their license was suddenly void.--[[User:Darwinius|<font color="#4153A0" face="Century Gothic" size="2">- '''Darwin'''</font>]] [[User talk:Darwinius|<font color="#4153A0"><sup>Ahoy!</sup></font>]] 00:33, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
::The previous deletion request (for the image itself) came to the conclusion [http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Bayreuth_Eremitage_das_neue_Schloss_mit_dem_Eingang_-_Foto_2011_Wolfgang_Pehlemann_DSCN7042.jpg&diff=55285652&oldid=55285484 Concerning the question whether the additional condition "directly under the photo" can be used, a DR is a wrong place to discuss]. Discussion the license templates is a good idea from the technical point of view, but we still have the problem that "a DR is a wrong place to discuss". --[[User:NeoUrfahraner|NeoUrfahraner]] ([[User talk:NeoUrfahraner|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 07:05, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
:::It's not the wrong place to discuss. I've already cited precedent in which the acceptability of a license was established by the community in a template deletion request. I agree that a file DR is the wrong place to discuss, since the discussion should concern all files using the license; I disagree that the license should only be discussed in a wider context (all licenses with a requirement like this one), partly because some of those licenses might be okay and some might not, and partly because it's often a good idea to let general to let rules emerge from generalization from particular cases, rather than abstract discussion. [[User:Dcoetzee|Dcoetzee]] ([[User talk:Dcoetzee|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 10:34, 19 June 2011 (UTC)


== Editor trying to rename hundreds of images to include the location ==
I have been really puzzled about attribution, and bylines, since I started uploading images to Wikipedia. Since there is an on-going discussion, I add a few questions.


{{user|Jugermai}} has submitted hundreds of file rename requests (see their contribs) to add locations to images (at the beginning of the filename, too, rather than at the end), even when disambiguation is not needed. Has there been a discussion somewhere that suggested this would be a good thing? Isn't that what categories are for: to indicate the location of the subject of an image? It seems to me this is needlessly complicating the filenames, as well as moving the most important information (what the image actually contains) to the end of the filename. I don't want to approve any more until it's determined this is a good thing to do. Thanks for any input. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="green">日本穣</font>]] <sup><small>[[User talk:Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">Talk</font>]] <font color="darkblue">to</font> Nihon<font color="darkgreen">joe</font></small></sup> 23:25, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
The picture http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kremlin_birds_eye_view-1.jpg?uselang=en
:Anyone have any thoughts on this? I don't have a strong preference either way, but I'd like some input before I approve any more like this. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="green">日本穣</font>]] <sup><small>[[User talk:Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">Talk</font>]] <font color="darkblue">to</font> Nihon<font color="darkgreen">joe</font></small></sup> 17:48, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
where it clearly says "you are free to distribute and modify the file as long as you attribute www.kremlin.ru". If I now use this picture in print (paper), which is correct:<br />
::As described, this sounds as a very bad idea. The policy is described in [[Commons:File_renaming#Which_files_should_be_renamed?]], and it doesn't include that any file can be renamed just because of the naming preferences of some user different from the uploader. Even if the requesting user could argue that his version looks a bit better (which I think it doesn't in this case), the policy clearly states that "''Files should NOT be renamed only because the new name looks a bit better.''"
put "photo: www.kremlin.ru" under the picture,<br />
::If somebody wants to make clear that Toronto is in Ontario, Canada, file names aren't the right place to do it, but categories and structured data.
or put "source: http://commons.wikimedia.org" or<br />
::In summary, I think {{u|Jugermai}}'s requests should be reverted.--[[User:Pere prlpz|Pere prlpz]] ([[User talk:Pere prlpz|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:59, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
or put "source: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kremlin_birds_eye_view-1.jpg",<br />
:::{{re|Pere prlpz}} That's kind of the way I'm leaning, too. I'll wait a bit to see if anyone else has any thoughts. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="green">日本穣</font>]] <sup><small>[[User talk:Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">Talk</font>]] <font color="darkblue">to</font> Nihon<font color="darkgreen">joe</font></small></sup> 18:10, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
or are all these alternatives ok?
:@[[User:Nihonjoe|Nihonjoe]]: Looking only at the last 20 or so requests, almost all of them are blatantly bad and should be denied. In particular they're claimed under criterion 4 and that criterion is very narrow. As explained by the footnote at [[COM:FR#cite_note-4]], it's only for use in two cases: files that are parts of a larger work and files whose precise names are depended on by external systems (such as Wikisource and complex templates). Neither of those applies here.
:There are a few cases (e.g. [[:File:Old Mill ruins (I0015208).jpg]]) where renaming might be justified under criterion 2. Specifically the "Generic category rather than specific item" sub-criterion. Most of them have adequate specifications of the location in the name already, though. --[[User:Bjh21|bjh21]] ([[User talk:Bjh21|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:41, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
::{{re|Bjh21}} Thanks for your comments. That confirms what I was thinking. It might take more than just me to clean them up, though. {{re|Jugermai}} It might be good for you to go in and remove the rename requests for most or all of these. I'll see what I can do to help, but it would be best for you to clean up the requests. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="green">日本穣</font>]] <sup><small>[[User talk:Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">Talk</font>]] <font color="darkblue">to</font> Nihon<font color="darkgreen">joe</font></small></sup> 17:58, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Nihonjoe|Nihonjoe]] Thank you for the corrections and guidance! I will start undoing the change requests. Is it alright to leave the file names that have already been approved, or is it better to revert them as well? [[User:Jugermai|Jugermai]] ([[User talk:Jugermai|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:28, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
::::{{re|Jugermai}} I would suggest reverting them as well. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="green">日本穣</font>]] <sup><small>[[User talk:Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">Talk</font>]] <font color="darkblue">to</font> Nihon<font color="darkgreen">joe</font></small></sup> 18:37, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Jugermai|Jugermai]]: I can probably bulk-remove the rename requests from the ones that haven't been renamed using [[COM:VFC]], so you might not need to do those ones. Give me an hour or so... --[[User:Bjh21|bjh21]] ([[User talk:Bjh21|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:04, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Jugermai|Jugermai]]: With the help of the magical [[COM:VFC]], I have removed the remaining {{tl|rename}} templates that you added citing criterion 4. I expect there are some cases where renaming under criterion 2 instead would be appropriate; feel free to request it again in those cases. I've done the one I mentioned above. --[[User:Bjh21|bjh21]] ([[User talk:Bjh21|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:44, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Bjh21|Bjh21]] YAY! Thank you so much for your help, I'm so glad there was a quick fix!
::::::I'll go through and undo the already approved ones, and possibly re-request the ones with vague names. I will also try to look more into the date issue (getting the correct data) and using the appropriate template. Again, I really appreciate your help and patience. Thank you! [[User:Jugermai|Jugermai]] ([[User talk:Jugermai|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:57, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
:Hi, my apologies for causing trouble, I realize now I should have done more research before proceeding with all the name change requests! I am an intern working for Archives of Ontario (the uploader of the files), attempting to do data cleanup. Aside from editing the titles, I've also been editing the dates to be [ca. 1948-1972], as there was an error in the upload and most of the dates incorrectly read 1952. I understand the reasoning behind reverting the file name edits, but I just want to know if the date changes will/can be retained? [[User:Jugermai|Jugermai]] ([[User talk:Jugermai|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:29, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Jugermai|Jugermai]]: Yes, those date changes will likely be kept. I would suggest not marking those as minor changes, though, since you're changing the meaning of the page. It would be even better to use one of the date templates like {{tl|other date}} or {{tl|complex date}}. For instance {{tlx|other date|~|1948|1972}} will give "{{other date|~|1948|1972}}" with proper translation into other languages.
::Changing the names of files is special because those names are part of how files are referred to, both within MediaWiki and on external sites that use Commons' files. This is why we have quite restrictive [[Commons:file renaming|file renaming]] guidelines and why renaming requests need to be approved by trusted users. --[[User:Bjh21|bjh21]] ([[User talk:Bjh21|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:32, 23 May 2024 (UTC)


::{{Reply to|Jugermai}} If you are certain that a date in the title of a file is wrong, that can be a valid reason to rename the file, but then that's per criterion 3, to correct an error. In the date field, if "ca. 1948-1972" is really the best that can be done, then "Category:Ontario in the 1950s" should also be removed. It may be replaced or not with "Category:Ontario in the 20th century". Isn't it at least possible to be sure that the date range is "1948-1972", without having to make it even more uncertain by adding "ca."? While editing, please also remove the empty "Category:" in many pages. -- [[User:Asclepias|Asclepias]] ([[User talk:Asclepias|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:45, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
If I use the picture on my (non-wiki) website, what is then correct: to place "photo: www.kremlin.ru" (as text, not a clickable link) directly under
:::In some of those "1948-1972" cases, it's possible to easily narrow the date range, on the basis of the pictured people, objects, buildings, events. For example, [[:File:Lt. Governor McKay at Queen's Plate (I0016457).jpg|a photo]] of Lt. Gov. MacKay (not McKay) must be 1957-1963, and by consequence the other photos of the same event. (With research, it may even be possible to find the precise date of the event, but I understand that must not be part of the internship job.) -- [[User:Asclepias|Asclepias]] ([[User talk:Asclepias|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:43, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
the picture, or<br />
state "image source: http://commons.wikimedia.org" (as a clickable link) or<br />
state "image source: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kremlin_birds_eye_view-1.jpg" (as a clickable link),<br />
or are all the alternatives ok?


:::While editing, a few other things could be usefully edited at the same time. Sometimes, the year category is not consistent with the date field, e.g. [[:File:Bancroft, Ontario, Canada; Airport (I0005849).tiff|this photo]] has 1964 in the date field and 1960 in the category. A useful suggestion was made by a user on the talk page of the uploader VNDS: Commons indicates when images are in the public domain. For many images, their copyright is expired in Canada, they are also in the public domain in the United States, and thus they can, and probably should, use the proper public domain templates on Commons, as the case may be, such as PD-Canada and PD-1996, to adequately inform the viewers about their status. An offer, additionally, of an open license OGL-ON may be applicable for users in some countries in the rest of the world where a copyright might still subsist, but Commons gives particular attention to indicate the actual status in the United States and in Canada (country of origin). -- [[User:Asclepias|Asclepias]] ([[User talk:Asclepias|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:01, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia, Wikimedia and the CC FAQ states that image creator should be credited "in a manner 'reasonable to the medium or means' used by the licensee... minimizing the risk that overly onerous... attribution requirements are simply disregarded". Keeping this is mind, I think it is a safe bet to assume that that uploader of the image would be satisfied if I put "picture from www.kremlin.ru" as a clickable link under (or near) the picture, or possibly even the same credit as text non-clickable. One can also say that it is reasonable to have the name (website) of the picture provider under the photo, as it can be seen to be that way in many websites all over the world. It is clearly not unreasonable. Now my question is, would this kind of attribution be likely to fulfill the picture creators requirements?


= May 18 =
Next question, would it be an acceptable way of crediting on my own website, or do I in addition need to state that the picture was found on Wikipedia, or commons.wikimedia?


== Editing a file's metadata ==
Next question, instead of quoting "www.kremlin.ru", would it be fully acceptable only to link the image on my website to point to the Commons file descrition page (that is, no mention of www.kremlin.ru under the picture, no text on my web page, only a clickable link so that if you click the picture you get to the commons description page). I was thinking that the commons file description page has the title, creator, and license conditions.


Is there a way to do it aside from downloading an image and editing it on a computer? [[User:Adamant1|Adamant1]] ([[User talk:Adamant1|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 05:28, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
When I read the license, another question pops up. It says something about quoting the title, and quoting a link to the license. Since I am free to change the title (or edit the picture), why should I quote the title? It says that I should reference the license as well. Would it be ok just to say "CC-BY-SA-3" as a non-clickable text? Or how should it be made? --[[User:Janwikifoto|Janwikifoto]] ([[User talk:Janwikifoto|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 15:38, 18 June 2011 (UTC)


:AFAIK, no. —'''Matrix(!)''' <nowiki>{</nowiki>''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|<sub><small><s>useless</s></small></sub>contributions]]''<nowiki>}</nowiki> 15:03, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
:The attribution in your example should be "www.kremlin.ru", just as it says. In this case, there is no indication that it needs to be a clickable link, even when reproduced in a form where this is possible. Unless required by the author, there is no need to mention Wikimedia Commons. Commercial stock photo agencies typically require attribution of both the author and the distributor, but Wikimedia Commons has no such requirement. A link to the original work on Commons would probably be appreciated by most readers, though. I would not recommend linking to the Wikimedia Commons file description page as a means of fulfilling the attribution requirements, as there is no guarantee that the page will always be available. Requirements to quote the title mainly refer to things like textual works or films, whereas photographs usually don't have a title. The filename is typically not considered to be a title for the purposes of this type of licensing requirement. If the author specifies that the photo has a title, you should quote that. You must provide a copy of the license or the address of the license when using a Creative Commons-licensed work. Simply stating the name of the license is not sufficient. See [http://wiki.creativecommons.org/FAQ#How_do_I_properly_attribute_a_Creative_Commons_licensed_work.3F Creative Commons FAQ: How do I properly attribute a Creative Commons licensed work?] for more details and suggestions. ''—[[User:LX|LX]] ([[User_talk:LX|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/LX|contribs]])'' 09:39, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
::A way was requested [[Commons:Requests for comment/Technical needs survey/Metadata editing tool|here]]. A drawback would be that it probably increases faulty metadata that is hard to correct. [[User:Prototyperspective|Prototyperspective]] ([[User talk:Prototyperspective|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:06, 18 May 2024 (UTC)


== Mandatory captions ==
:: Now the Title requirement makes more sense - for a book or a film. LX writes 'You must provide a copy of the license or the address of the license', but the CC-FAQ says only 'Cite the specific CC license... If you are publishing on the Internet, it is nice if the license ...links to the ... CC website'. My understanding of the wording on the CC-FAQ page is that it is enough to just mention someting like 'Creative Commons SA 3.0' or similar, though it is of course nice to give the full information. Further, the CC-FAQ says 'They may require you to associate/provide a certain URL (web address) for the work', however the legal text says something (I am not sure I am reading the correct part) '(iii) to the extent reasonably practicable, the URI, if any, that Licensor specifies to be associated with the Work, unless such URI does not refer to the copyright notice or licensing information for the Work;', and I understand this as I do <b>not</b> need to supply the requested URI <b>unless</b> it refers to a copyright notice or licensing information. So in the case of the Kremlin picture, I understand the FAQ as it would be nice and apprecieated if I supply the link www.kremlin.ru, but I also understand the legal text as I do not need to supply the www.kremlin.ru as that page does not contain copyright notice or licensing information. I am confused. Do others understand it the same way? Finally, for another practical example: http://comparexy.com/compare/Nashville+VS+Miami uses pictures from Commons. The webmaster has gone through the trouble of supplying both copyright and attribution info, right under the pictures, but per the above discussion I think it fails, by just providing the file desc page on Commons. There is no mention of the author, though it is clearly readable in the desc page. There is no mention of the license name, nor any link to CC. Is it correct to say that this attribution and copyright info does not meet the mark, even though it was probably well-meant? (If somebody just wanted to snatch the picture then it would be easy enough just to change the file name and not give any source, and in most cases nobody would find out). I look forward to opionions about the example I found on the net! --[[User:Janwikifoto|Janwikifoto]] ([[User talk:Janwikifoto|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 14:09, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
:::As for your example http://comparexy.com/compare/Nashville+VS+Miami, I think this way of attribution is - despite of the obvious good will of the user - formally not o.k., because the author is not mentioned anywhere on the site where the image is used. In addition, the problem of such external linking of the attribution is, when the original file is renamed/moved/deleted on/from Commons, all attribution and license information would be lost. --[[User:Túrelio|Túrelio]] ([[User talk:Túrelio|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 14:38, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
:::The requirement to provide a copy of the license or the address of the license is my understanding of Section 4 (a) of the [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode legal code] of CC-by 3.0: "You must include a copy of, or the Uniform Resource Identifier (URI) for, this License..." In my opinion, the FAQ doesn't accurately reflect that part of the license. The other requirement you mention – to link back to the original work where practicable – appears in Section 4 (b). The double negative makes it a little tricky to understand. Here's how I read it: if the author specifies an address to be associated with the work ''and'' that address leads to a page that has a copyright notice or licensing information related to the work, you must mention that address. In the example of [[:File:Kremlin birds eye view-1.jpg]], "www.kremlin.ru" is probably not a "URI associated with the work" in the sense of Section 4 (b), but rather an "attribution party" (the ''publishing entity,'' to be specific) as mentioned in the same section. I'm guessing the reason for the confusion is that the name of the attribution party in this particular case could also be read as a web address. ''—[[User:LX|LX]] ([[User_talk:LX|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/LX|contribs]])'' 23:01, 22 June 2011 (UTC)


Hi. Apparently, captions are now mandatory, at least when using Upload Wizard. Has this issue been discussed before the implementation? [[User:Strakhov|Strakhov]] ([[User talk:Strakhov|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 05:49, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Would it seem correct to make the following statements about (example) the
: {{ping|Strakhov}} I believe that's a bug. See [[Commons:Upload_Wizard_feedback#Caption_same_as_Description:_boring_and_confusing]]. If this is something different, that's still the page on which to bring it up. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ! [[User talk:Jmabel|talk]] 16:25, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Kremlin picture:
::This bug seems to force some veteran users to leave this platform. [[User:N509FZ|N509FZ]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:N509FZ|Talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/N509FZ|前置，有座！Front engine with seats!]]</small> 10:29, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
that if I use it on my/any web page, with only the clickable link www.kremlin.ru under the picture, then I have fulfilled the wish of the copyright holder, I have been nice according to the CC-FAQ, however, I would not have fullfilled the CC reference to the license as I did not mention it at all<br />
::: If you are a veteran user, just ignore the "Wizard" and use [[Special:Upload]]. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ! [[User talk:Jmabel|talk]] 13:54, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
that using a clickable link counts higher (seen from the copyright holder) than using a text-only link, as clickable links generate search-engine points<br />
::::But this isn't the reasonable excuse for abusing the power in developing without debugging. [[User:N509FZ|N509FZ]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:N509FZ|Talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/N509FZ|前置，有座！Front engine with seats!]]</small> 15:29, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
that the missing license reference is not something that I might get in trouble with CC over, but possibly the copyright holder might complain<br />
:::::[[Special:Upload]] is not practical if you have multiple files to upload, sadly UW is the only tool available (without needing to download Java). [[User:Bidgee|Bidgee]] ([[User talk:Bidgee|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:30, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
that the missing license reference is not something that a third party could sue me for (unless acting on behalf of the copyright holder)<br />
::::: Sure it is. You just ping-pong between two tabs and copy-paste the same text (or adjust as needed). Even for this I find it far easier to use than UW, which I've never liked at all. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ! [[User talk:Jmabel|talk]] 05:41, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
::::::Not practical for me, since the tab/window (if I have two separate browser windows) will suspend and refresh. I have found UW simple enough (until recently) to use. [[User:Bidgee|Bidgee]] ([[User talk:Bidgee|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:16, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
::::I went back to the old form as well. [[User:Ymblanter|Ymblanter]] ([[User talk:Ymblanter|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:47, 20 May 2024 (UTC)


== Changes in UploadWizard: lost autonumbering ==
that if I use it on my/any web page, with the clickable link www.kremlin.ru under the picture, and the text-only "CC-SA-BY-3", then I have fulfilled the wish of the copyright holder, I have been nice according to the CC-FAQ, and I have fullfilled the CC reference to the license by naming it, though I still would not be "nice" as I did not give the URI of the license conditions
So far, when loading many files, the number ending the names was increased by 1 in subsequent files. Now you have to renumber the names of all files manually. Why? [[User:Kenraiz|Kenraiz]] ([[User talk:Kenraiz|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 06:01, 18 May 2024 (UTC)


:This is a known problem and will be fixed with the next MediaWiki update. [[User:GPSLeo|GPSLeo]] ([[User talk:GPSLeo|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:04, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
If I now used the picture in paper print, then just putting www.kremlin.ru and CC-SA-BY-3 nder the picture would be an appropriate attribution and license information, as to what is common and practical in print, and probably that would make the creator happy, as well as the CC people.
::Do you have a phab ticket at hand by chance? Thx in advance! —[[User:Marsupium|Marsupium]] ([[User talk:Marsupium|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:48, 23 May 2024 (UTC)


== Expain to me, please, what I have done wrong ==
In all these cases, there is no need to mention the title, as the title does not seem to be very important. Nor is it necessary to mention Commons.Wikimedia as the file description might change, and that it is not necessary in any way according to the license to mention Wikimedia - though it would still be useful information that might be of interest to some users.


Hello, could you please answer the last question I asked the admin on my user-talk page? They did not answer. For context: I requested deletion of several NSFW images for being outside of the scope of Commons for not being educational. Almost all of them were closed after a few hours and I was warned for vandalism. I now recognize that all (except one) of the requests were erroneous, because I didn't know that anything used on another Wikimedia project is unconditionally considered educational and that some of the images were parts of important "collections" or "projects" unknown to me. But the admin seemed to argue that no files should be ever deleted as uneducational (they said: "Creating deletion requests without a valid rationale disrupts the project"). Could you clear my misunderstanding, please? [[User:Ltalc|Ltalc]] ([[User talk:Ltalc|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:53, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Or am I wrong in any of these statements? I am trying to understand the conditions, as the FAQ and the legal text does not really match fully the way I read it. --[[User:Janwikifoto|Janwikifoto]] ([[User talk:Janwikifoto|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 14:52, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
:Hi, Your only edits on Wikimedia Commons are requesting deletion of these images. We often have accounts created only for such a purpose, and we do not welcome them. Images showing nudity or sexual acts can have an educational value. And we do keep any file with a proper license used on another project. Thanks, [[User:Yann|Yann]] ([[User talk:Yann|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:10, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks, I understand now.
::I would like kindly to ask you, for the sake of future newbies, to consider limiting the usage of the templated vandalism warning. When I saw it on my user-talk page, it at first provoked anger in me. I was accused of something I didn't do, vandalism – deliberate bad-faith destruction. I fully understand your motivation – Commons is surely flooded with vandalism every day, just like all wikis. But I have a feeling that overuse of that standardized warning has a quite adverse effect.
::It would be nice if you elaborated to humble beginners like me what makes deletion reasons invalid. In my case, it took quite a long for me to understand that that rationale (of images not being educational) was not invalid ''per se'', but it was invalid for each of the images for varying reasons, such as that I didn't know the policy or that I missed some context.
::Take my advice with a grain of salt, I know almost nothing about Commons. Have a nice day. [[User:Ltalc|Ltalc]] ([[User talk:Ltalc|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:47, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
:::I agree with this user and think people who start out with deletion requests or initially largely make a few DRs are dealt with way too harshly and without proper justification. Also I don't think the rationales were invalid, they are just not established recognized rationales but at least they're rationale and reasonable valid ones in addition. Repelling such users is problematic for several (incl those) reasons and doesn't really reduce workload. [[User:Prototyperspective|Prototyperspective]] ([[User talk:Prototyperspective|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
::::However, checking the contribs of the user, it doesn't seem like the text above is a roughly accurate description of what happened: the user removed a quite large number of files from [[:Category:Files from Lies Thru a Lens Flickr stream, female model photos]] so the action seems probably appropriate. [[User:Prototyperspective|Prototyperspective]] ([[User talk:Prototyperspective|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:16, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
:::::Somewhat contradictory: "I know almost nothing about Commons." and "I requested deletion of several [..] images for being outside of the scope of Commons [..]". [[User:Enhancing999|Enhancing999]] ([[User talk:Enhancing999|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:21, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
* Why do people look for nudity in images at Commons and then pretend to be shocked by them? --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 23:21, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
*:@[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]]: The answer seems to lie in the intersection between prudity and OCD. &nbsp; — 🇺🇦<span style="font-size:115%;background:#FFA">[[User:Jeff G.|Jeff G.]]</span> ツ<small> please [[Template:Ping|ping]] or [[User:Jeff G./talk|talk to me]]</small>🇺🇦 01:52, 19 May 2024 (UTC)


== Top right icon for POTY finalists and winners [[Image:POTY barnstar.svg|20px|This file was awarded first place in Picture of the Year|link=]] [[Image:PODY 2nd barnstar.svg|20px|This file was awarded second place in Picture of the Year|link=]] [[Image:PODY 3rd barnstar.svg|20px|This file was awarded third place in Picture of the Year|link=]] [[Image:PODY ribbon.svg|20px|This file was a finalist in Picture of the Year|link=]] ==
=== Deletion request for the license templates ===
As suggested by [[User:Dcoetzee|Dcoetzee]] 00:31, 17 June 2011, I know made a deletion request for the license templates, see [[Commons:Deletion_requests/License_%22adding_my_name_directly_under_the_photo%22]]. --[[User:NeoUrfahraner|NeoUrfahraner]] ([[User talk:NeoUrfahraner|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 15:44, 24 June 2011 (UTC)


Hi! I have already posted this [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:Picture_of_the_Year#Edit%20suggestion%20for%20POTY%20finalists%20template here] and [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Assessments#Template_edit_suggestion_for_POTY_finalists here] but [https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk%3APicture_of_the_Year&diff=877353841&oldid=877340230 I've been just told to post it here] so here is my post here.<br />
== New gadget : GoogleImages tab ==


There already are icons on the top right of each file considered Featured picture [[Image:Cscr-featured.svg|20px|link=]], Valued image [[Image:Valued_image_seal.svg|20px|link=]], Quality Image [[Image:Quality_images_logo.svg|20px|link=]], Wiki Loves Earth winner [[Image:WLE_Barnstar_finalist_2014_notext.png|20px|link=]] and Wiki Loves Monuments winner [[Image:WLM_barnstar_Winner_2012_notext.svg|20px|link=]]. Could we also add a top right icon for Picture of the Year winners and finalists ? <br />
Hi all,


There is two ways to do it. <br />
Per request on [[Commons:Bistro#images_google|the French-speaking VP]], I just created a gadget "GoogleImages tab", based on the TinEye one. it adds a tab to search for an images using [http://www.google.com/insidesearch/searchbyimage.html GoogleImages 'search by image' feature] (rolled out a few days ago).


One would be to copy paste the following code on each individual file page :<br />
It’s in [[Special:Preferences#preftab-8|your prefs]], Maintenance tools GoogleImages tab.


'''For 1st place files:''' [[Image:POTY barnstar.svg|20px|This file was awarded first place in Picture of the Year|link=]] <br />
[[User:Jean-Frédéric|Jean-Fred]] ([[User talk:Jean-Frédéric|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 23:27, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
<syntaxhighlight lang="wikitext">{{Top icon|imagename=POTY barnstar.svg|wikilink=Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2021/Results/All|description=This file was awarded first place in Picture of the Year 2021|imagesize=64px|sortkey=001}}</syntaxhighlight>


'''For 2nd place files:''' [[Image:PODY 2nd barnstar.svg|20px|This file was awarded second place in Picture of the Year|link=]]<br />
:Working like a champ, many thanks for such a useful gadget.--[[User:Darwinius|<font color="#4153A0" face="Century Gothic" size="2">- '''Darwin'''</font>]] [[User talk:Darwinius|<font color="#4153A0"><sup>Ahoy!</sup></font>]] 09:46, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
<syntaxhighlight lang="wikitext">{{Top icon|imagename=PODY 2nd barnstar.svg|wikilink=Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2021/Results/All|description=This file was awarded second place in Picture of the Year 2021|imagesize=64px|sortkey=002}}</syntaxhighlight>
::Yes, it's ''[http://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/nickel_chrome nickel chrome]'', thank you. --[[User:Myrabella|Myrabella]] ([[User talk:Myrabella|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 09:58, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
:::Very useful :) '''<font face="times new roman">[[User:Micki|<span style="background:#91A3B0;color:#fff;padding:0 4px">micki</span>]][[User talk:Micki|<span style="background:#666;padding:0 4px;color:#fff;">t</span>]]</font>''' 10:18, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
::::The tool it's really really useful, you can find evidence for violations of copyrights in a couple of seconds! :) --[[User:Broc|Broc]] ([[User talk:Broc|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 19:53, 21 June 2011 (UTC)


'''For 3rd place files:''' [[Image:PODY 3rd barnstar.svg|20px|This file was awarded third place in Picture of the Year|link=]]<br />
:This is a useful tool, but I found that Opera 11.11 does not support the new google "search by image" function, in case others like me were trying and failing. It works fine with Firefox 4.0.1 . I used Opera's "Report a site problem" function to inform Opera of this. -[[User:84user|84user]] ([[User talk:84user|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 18:08, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
<syntaxhighlight lang="wikitext">{{Top icon|imagename=PODY 3rd barnstar.svg|wikilink=Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2021/Results/All|description=This file was awarded third place in Picture of the Year 2021|imagesize=64px|sortkey=003}}</syntaxhighlight>


'''For finalist files:''' [[Image:PODY ribbon.svg|20px|This file was a finalist in Picture of the Year|link=]]<br />
=June 16=
<syntaxhighlight lang="wikitext">{{Top icon|imagename=PODY ribbon.svg|wikilink=Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2021/Results/All|description=This file was a finalist in Picture of the Year 2021|imagesize=64px|sortkey=004}}</syntaxhighlight>


I have tested it and it works perfectly.<br />
== Template merge ==


Another way is to edit [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Assessments this template] and to edit the top code of the page to something that looks like this:
{{tl|Should be substituted}} and {{tl|Must be substituted}} appear to serve the same purpose, since the former says "should always". Should they be merged? [[User:Rd232|Rd232]] ([[User talk:Rd232|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 00:34, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
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* {{Support}}. I [[Commons:Deletion requests/Template:Should be substituted|thought]] of it too. [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 01:33, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
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*<s> Agree</s>. Neutral. No (difference) in parameters as well. I see not much difference if we are using one or two templates--[[User:Bencmq|Ben.MQ]] ([[User talk:Bencmq|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 01:59, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
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* Disagree, looking at the history they were very deliberately created to have different meanings. One marks templates that "must be" sustituted because they have a purpose and/or syntax that '''require''' them to be. The other is for templates that "should" be, but they will work even if you don't. If the distinction hasn't been observed by those applying them, then that is a matter of documentation and education. --[[User:Tony Wills|Tony Wills]] ([[User talk:Tony Wills|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 04:24, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
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::Nope, it still can be merged with the help of a few parameters. [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 04:56, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
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:::Parameters increase complexity and you'd likely see one of the above turned into a silent call to a combined template with the parameter specified. As in, {{tl|must be substituted}} would have {{tlx|should be substituted|must{{=}}yes}} within it. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 14:05, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
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: {{oppose}} The words do have different meanings, and there is a completely different look. The same user created both, so there is an intended distinction. As noted above, it was already discussed briefly at [[Commons:Deletion requests/Template:Should be substituted]] and kept. They have already been translated into a bunch of different languages with their precise meanings; I see almost no benefit to changing things. It's just another template, which is no big deal, and trying to change it creates far more work than will be saved. [[User:Clindberg|Carl Lindberg]] ([[User talk:Clindberg|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 07:26, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
| description = This file was awarded first place in Picture of the Year {{{POTYyear}}}
*{{Support}} - While the original intent may have been to have two separate templates, the distinction between them is not so significant that we need to maintain two separate templates. The templates largely share the same look, other than the fact that one uses larger text. As Rehman suggests, have one template and use parameters. I actually think it increases complexity to have multiple templates that perform tasks that are only subtly different from one another, rather than having one template that accomplishes a related set of tasks. --[[User:Skeezix1000|Skeezix1000]] ([[User talk:Skeezix1000|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 14:19, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
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*<s>{{oppose}}</s> - '''subst''' technically required and '''subst''' recommended is a major difference. You can ignore a recommendation for good reasons if you know what you are doing, but things don't work as expected if you ignore a required '''subst'''. The effects of a missing required '''subst''' could be subtle and unpredictable, from "breaks if transcluded indirectly" to "kills the server if used by more than ten readers simultaneously". &ndash;[[User:Be..anyone|Be..anyone]] ([[User talk:Be..anyone|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 15:14, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
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::I don't think anyone diagrees that there is a difference. As far as I am concerned, that's not the issue. It's not clear to me how having two separate templates eliminates the risk of confusion between the two, however (if anything, it adds to it). --[[User:Skeezix1000|Skeezix1000]] ([[User talk:Skeezix1000|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 16:08, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
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:::Significant differences based only on parameter can be just as confusing, IMO. It looks like we would have a situation where based on the parameter, we choose one layout or the other -- there doesn't seem to be much overlap in terms of the template content. If that is the case, we may as well have two templates, and make the difference more apparent in the name. Lastly, there has already been lots of translation work here, and the list of languages in the two templates do not match up. You risk messing up a lot of that work, or at least forcing people to re-do translation work, where everything seems well enough if left alone. If the templates were just being created there *may* be an argument, but at this point... there's hardly a benefit that I can see. [[User:Clindberg|Carl Lindberg]] ([[User talk:Clindberg|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 16:57, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
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::::The fact that the lists of languages in the two templates do not match up is ''precisely'' a major reason why these templates ''should'' be merged. Because the two are currently edited independently, seemingly in disregard to the complementary role the two templates play in respect of one another, we now have a situation where, for example, one template is translated into Spanish and the other isn't. So, a Spanish-speaking Commons user only gets half the story. This presumably would not have been a problem with one template. With two templates, you are always at risk of inconsistent and incomplete edits that have no regard for the sister template or the distinction between the two templates. There is tremendous benefit in eliminating that problem, and I disagree that suggestion that the templates work well as is.<p>As for overlap, the templates both consist of a box with the same icon. We are not dealing with completely different layouts. We are only talking about a message changing with the parameter. You suggest that we might change the names, but if we were going to that degree of trouble, why would we not just merge them and do things properly? --[[User:Skeezix1000|Skeezix1000]] ([[User talk:Skeezix1000|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 17:20, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
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:::::Just as an aside, I wonder how well the existing translations convey the distinction between "should" and "must". Unless one speaks 10+ languages, it's hard to monitor this. Where only one template has been translated, I suspect there is a good chance that the distinction is lost. Where both templates have been translated into the same language, but by different editors, I also suspect that is a lot of room for confusion. Again, there is less risk of this problem if we have one template that allows users to choose between "should" and "must" (and thus forces translators to distinguish between the two). --[[User:Skeezix1000|Skeezix1000]] ([[User talk:Skeezix1000|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 17:30, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
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::{{weak support}} (updated from '''oppose''') &mdash; if there's a required parameter for MUST vs. SHOULD as per [[User:Skeezix1000|Skeezix1000]] a merged template would in fact help with its i18n. &ndash;[[User:Be..anyone|Be..anyone]] ([[User talk:Be..anyone|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 19:05, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
| description = This file was awarded second place in Picture of the Year {{{POTYyear}}}
*{{Support}} the technical merge of both templates. My experience with templates is that it's much easier to maintain one template with some parameters than a group of distinct templates performing similar things, given that the changes on the "mother template" are not very complex, as in this case. From the looks of it, it will be extremely simple to merge them and keep compatibility in the way Adrignola explained above. The separate translations are actually a good reason to merge them, and not the opposite, as has been told above, and I don't believe that merging them will be such a big deal as well.--[[User:Darwinius|<font color="#4153A0" face="Century Gothic" size="2">- '''Darwin'''</font>]] [[User talk:Darwinius|<font color="#4153A0"><sup>Ahoy!</sup></font>]] 18:20, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
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*{{support}}. Just to reiterate what I wrote above, you could have {{tl|must be substituted}} still exist, just calling {{tlx|should be substituted|must{{=}}yes}} in the underlying code. No difference for end users but far easier for maintenance and new translations. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 21:16, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
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::An optional <code>required=no</code> (or ''false'' or '''0''') with a default <code>required=yes</code> (or ''true'' or '''1''') might be clearer. &ndash;[[User:Be..anyone|Be..anyone]] ([[User talk:Be..anyone|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 21:23, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
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:::Sure. Just threw one possibility out there. It bothers me not as to what the parameter is eventually named, nor the value. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 21:45, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
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*'''Support'''. I was just throwing the possibility out there, but the discussion here suggests a merge would be helpful. It would improve clarity to explain the contrasting meanings of "should" and "must" in a single place, and would make internationalisation clearer and easier. A template redirect would ensure that no-one used to the status quo need do anything different. [[User:Rd232|Rd232]] ([[User talk:Rd232|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 17:01, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
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*{{Comment}} - The discussion appears to have wound down, with 6 in support, 1 neutral and 2 opposed. Do Tony or Carl have any further comments/objections? [[User:Skeezix1000|Skeezix1000]] ([[User talk:Skeezix1000|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 15:29, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
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*{{Comment}} I had proceeded on the assumption that both templates were widely used. But in fact "should" is used in only 12 templates [https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&target=Template%3AShould+be+substituted&namespace=10] while "must" is used in well over 100 [https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Must_be_substituted&namespace=10&limit=250]. "Must" has many more translations (I've borrowed he and nds from "should", which "should" had and "must" didn't). The distinction between "must" and "should always" is unclear in English anyway, and the languages I can understand make the distinction even less clear. So I've just redirected "should" to "must", and anyone who wants to adapt "must" to introduce a sort of "should" meaning with an optional parameter can do so. [[User:Rd232|Rd232]] ([[User talk:Rd232|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 00:39, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
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For the template code I’m not 100% sure because I can’t test it. I'm also not sure if <nowiki>{{{POTYyear}}}</nowiki> is the right way to display the year it won.<br />
== Template:Mld ==


I hope this can get implemented and I wish you all a nice day. <br />
Another user just added a [[Template:Mld]] to one of my [[:File:Ammoniak Reaktor BASF.jpg|uploads]] - and I am not sure what to think of that. For me as user it signifies that I see will only the description language I have selected as my user preference - for all others I have to look at the source code - or change my user prefs (if I don't want to fiddle with style sheets). What will happen if a description is not available in the selected language of a particular?


-- [[User:Giles Laurent|Giles Laurent]] ([[User talk:Giles Laurent|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:18, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Actually I'd rather prefer it the old way - being able to see all descriptions in every language alltogether, as it makes life for as an uploading user much easer, e.g. it facilates comparision between descriptions in different languages. Quite often I do add at least two descriptions, e.g. in English and German. I have read the [https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/meta/wiki/Meta:Language_select Meta page about language select] - but that does not really answer my questions. Does it mean that I am (and other users are) expected to create own <Monobook|Vector|whatever> CSS pages in order get a non default behaviour, e.g. "show all"? Couldn't that not be turned into preference setting instead?
*{{s}} Thanks for the proposal -- [[User:Basile Morin|Basile Morin]] ([[User talk:Basile Morin|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:03, 19 May 2024 (UTC)


== Transcriptions of uploads at Commons ==
Maybe I have missed some discussion about this topic? Might it be even commonly agreed practice by now? Regards, --[[User:Drahkrub|Burkhard]] ([[User talk:Drahkrub|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 20:33, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
:I also found {{tl|Mld}} very annoying as I prefer to see all languages. I discovered strange behavior of [[Meta:Language_select]] when trying to debug why parts of file descriptions were not showing up in some [[:Category:Images from the German Federal Archive|Bundesarchiv]] files. Adding "ls_enable = false;" to my [[User:Jarekt/vector.js]] fixed the problem. In my humble opinion that should be the default behavior and users that want to see only pieces of description should change their preferences. --[[User:Jarekt|Jarekt]] ([[User talk:Jarekt|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 21:05, 22 June 2011 (UTC)


I was just told that "Commons is not the place for transcription; go to Wikisource with this". But we have over 100,000 djvu files with embedded transcriptions, the same for older pdf files with embedded transcriptions. Should we delete all the embedded transcription text or are transcriptions allowed? While Wikisource is a place to store text, we have tens of thousands of books and news articles that do not appear in Wikisource, and we have no control over what meets Wikisource notability. My file did not have the text embedded in the pdf, but as text on the file page. I can embed the text inside the pdf, but then OCR errors will not be fixed and links to people/places/things cannot be formed. I can embed the text by combining the image with the text in a djvu file. If this is about server space, the text takes up the same amount of room if embedded or if appearing as text on the file page. And of course, each of the words in the text act as a keyword, if someone is searching for the document via a search engine. The title of the document-image gives minimal context. So, what are our rules? [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 23:18, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
::Yes, annoying and unhelpful, I unconditionally prefer the old way, even with all the cluttering. The old way has a small problem, though. It displays something as "'''中文(简体)'''‬: 北京前门大街东来顺". this is frankly stupid, if I have my preference as English, '''中文(简体)'''‬ (whatever that is) should be in English too, what is the point of showing the name of the native language in its native language? Glad thing that Google translation have an automated language detect tool, but this only works for well known languages, if it's some obscure dialect everyone that doesn't know how the dialect is written in its native language is left at a complete loss.--[[User:Darwinius|<font color="#4153A0" face="Century Gothic" size="2">- '''Darwin'''</font>]] [[User talk:Darwinius|<font color="#4153A0"><sup>Ahoy!</sup></font>]] 21:21, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
:::Annoying indeed. Thanks for the hint to add "ls_enable = false;" to "[[Special:MyPage/common.js]]". -- [[User talk:Docu|<span style="font-size:80%;border:#000 solid 1px;padding:0"><span style="margin:0;color:#CE2029">&nbsp;Docu&nbsp;</span></span>]] <span style="font-size:75%">at</span> 21:27, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
::::Thanks, fixed the problem to me as well. It's sad when a new feature is in fact a problem, however.--[[User:Darwinius|<font color="#4153A0" face="Century Gothic" size="2">- '''Darwin'''</font>]] [[User talk:Darwinius|<font color="#4153A0"><sup>Ahoy!</sup></font>]] 21:33, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::Looking at the Meta page this feature is apparently five years old.&nbsp; But clearly not working as expected for me, it shows <code>en-gb</code> (from my browser preferences) and treats this as "show all" instead of "en".<tt><nowiki><shrug /></nowiki></tt> &ndash;[[User:Be..anyone|Be..anyone]] ([[User talk:Be..anyone|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 21:43, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::As for showing language name in the native language, well, but then the language name must also be <s>i18n-ed</s> localised? [[User:Bencmq|Ben.MQ]] ([[User talk:Bencmq|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 05:06, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::::I'm sorry, Bencmq, but "i18n-ed" is Chinese to me. :S --[[User:Darwinius|<font color="#4153A0" face="Century Gothic" size="2">- '''Darwin'''</font>]] [[User talk:Darwinius|<font color="#4153A0"><sup>Ahoy!</sup></font>]] 14:27, 23 June 2011 (UTC) <small>Couldn't resist the pun, as I've found now that you are Chinese, and I suspect that 中文(简体) is something like Chinese Simplified ;) But I'm serious, I've no idea about what i18n-ed means.</small>
::::::::oh sorry. Basically I mean that we should translate the language name into different languages as well? <small> and yes that was Chinese Simplified :)</small> [[User:Bencmq|Ben.MQ]] ([[User talk:Bencmq|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 05:57, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::Yes, it would be of great help, at least to me. It makes more easier to identify the context of those pictures. My problems have been more with the Slavic languages than anything else, but when it comes to non Latin alphabets it's even worst to decode it. I don't k now if it is something technically easy to do, however.--[[User:Darwinius|<font color="#4153A0" face="Century Gothic" size="2">- '''Darwin'''</font>]] [[User talk:Darwinius|<font color="#4153A0"><sup>Ahoy!</sup></font>]] 06:15, 27 June 2011 (UTC)


:I don't see a problem transcribing [[:File:Albert Einstein Anzeige 1902.jpg]], but your question seems to be about lengthy pdfs. [[User:Enhancing999|Enhancing999]] ([[User talk:Enhancing999|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:57, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
::(double edit conflict) My words <small>(@Jarekt)</small>, excepted that I wouldn't say "humble" but "strong" opinion... I really doubt that this template will improve the usability of our media; at least, it is (for me, I guess also for other contributors) something that I'll remove from the descriptions of my uploaded files when it happens to be added to them. <small>Dunno if we could even get it deleted: "[[Commons:Deletion_policy|A page can be deleted if it is: [...]''Patent nonsense'', a test or vandalism.]]" (italic highlighting by me). ;-)</small> This template adds too much barriers in the important work of improving the file descriptions as polyglot persons cannot see errors and inaccuracies in descriptions without comparing the source codes. [[User:Grand-Duc|Grand-Duc]] ([[User talk:Grand-Duc|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 21:34, 22 June 2011 (UTC)(
* This is a 4 page letter. I can't find a rule that excludes text, since pdf and djvu files contain embedded text. One of the differences between Wikisource and Commons is annotations. Wikisource is for the original text, errors and misspellings remain in place. Commons allows annotations and references and notes. Wikisource also was removing links to Wikipedia and Wikidata until recently, and may go back to removing them. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 18:49, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
* I think we need to differentiate between us users that are maintaining pages and the general user who just want to use the image. The whole point of adding seperate translations identified with templates is exactly so that the right translation can easily be automatically selected. For most pages there are so few translations that {{tl|mld}} isn't really needed, but if you ever come across pages where there are 10 or more translations, and not just the description field, but source, author etc also have seperate translations, you will welcome getting rid of the clutter. I expect that eventually the {{tl|information}} template will default to only showing the appropriate translation. I find the "show all" facility entirely satisfactory, but it is nice to see that there are ways to turn it off altogether. --[[User:Tony Wills|Tony Wills]] ([[User talk:Tony Wills|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 22:15, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
:I don't see an issue with transcribing something like a paragraph per say and putting the transcription in the file description. Anything over that just seems like turning Commons into Wikisource or Wikipedia though. Especially if said transcription involves creating a whole new section outside of the file summary as was done with [[:File:William Francis Norton (1857-1939) memoir.pdf]], which is odd RAN didn't mention BTW since that seems to be what this whole thing is about. --[[User:Adamant1|Adamant1]] ([[User talk:Adamant1|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 01:04, 20 May 2024 (UTC)


= May 19 =
::I have my reserves about {{tl|mld}} really helping end users. I suspect that trading less cluttering for less information is not a good approach when you have so many, many images that have a very complete description in one language (often English), while in the other languages the description is very scanty or plainly wrong. Even yesterday I came across an image of a Russian building which had 2 or 3 lines of description in English, while in Russian it said "Railway station". Sometimes it's even worst, and all that is there is some gibberish the uploader wrote in his language, such as "pretty building" or "Ulan Bator is a nice place to live". Hiding the best descriptions from the end users doesn't look like a good service to them.--[[User:Darwinius|<font color="#4153A0" face="Century Gothic" size="2">- '''Darwin'''</font>]] [[User talk:Darwinius|<font color="#4153A0"><sup>Ahoy!</sup></font>]] 23:16, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
::It's not working, and it's good news. I logged out and I still see ''all'' options. I changed my language to Corsu then to Gujarati and then (horror!) French, and it showed all options at all time. Censorship failed, perfect! pleased '''don't''' make it work. Do you realize the embarrassment of an expatriate in Ulan-Baatar when all the major news sites show news in Mongolian because they think it's what the Mongols deserve? Ah, some runaway Russians or Aussies or (horror!) Frenchmen, they can wait until their flight home. No, there's no "take me back to English", only Google does it. [[User:NVO|NVO]] ([[User talk:NVO|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 19:21, 23 June 2011 (UTC)


== Is there a page or list of wikipedia entries that are considered examples to follow? ==
Maybe I'm misunderstanding, or maybe things work differently for me for some reason, but {{tl|mld}} works independently of what language I have set in my preferences (English or Swedish, depending on what mood I'm in). If I select the "show all" option in the dropdown list presented on a page with {{tl|mld}}, that selection remains active on other pages with {{tl|mld}} until I change it. If I have selected a specific language and that is not available, it falls back to "show all" without affecting the remembered selection. I'm using Monobook without any relevant custom stylesheets, scripts or special options, as far as I can tell. ''—[[User:LX|LX]] ([[User_talk:LX|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/LX|contribs]])'' 22:22, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
:On the one hand, we need something compact; if descriptions grow to cover all 270 supported languages, one will get too many pages before getting at the things you really want to see. On the other hand, descriptions in other languages are sometimes plain wrong. For items that need doc in many languages (cultural items with a large vocabulary or alternate names for example such as [[:Category:Mbira]] and [[:Category:Quadricycles]], I set up first the doc for English and local languages, the rest I put them in a collapsable structure to limit the page size to less than half a page, so I can compare the texts in some languages against the English and local language descriptions which tend to be the references. I never bother to convert to Mld as it does not satisfies the needs and takes often 10 to 20 minutes of fidling to get it it right. It is only since a couple of months that the multi-language switch has an impact on such collapsable structures which results indeed in some confusion. --[[User:Foroa|Foroa]] ([[User talk:Foroa|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 06:48, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
::Thanks LX for the hint about the "show all" option in the dropdown list - I admit that I simply did not notice the ''new'' field as my primary focus was on the summary section. Made me feel a bit dumb for a moment - but definitely points to a usability problem: users - regardless of being logged in or not - have first to find this language select option. In my opinion the placement below the preview makes it hard to find, especially for the more occasional users/visitors who are not aware of its existence. Nevertheless my question about making this a pref setting seems to be still valid. --[[User:Drahkrub|Burkhard]] ([[User talk:Drahkrub|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 10:10, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
May be we should add an option to the preferences which allows disabling this feature without messing with [[Special:MyPage/vector.js]]. Is it technically possible? --[[User:Jarekt|Jarekt]] ([[User talk:Jarekt|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 13:27, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
:If you go to the Gadgets tab, under "language support", you'll find a gadget that says "Do not hide foreign languages on multilingual pages." Checking that box and clicking the save button at the bottom will do the same thing for you. (I just added this). &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 15:01, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
::Thank you, Adrignola, I used this feature ASAP. :-) [[User:Grand-Duc|Grand-Duc]] ([[User talk:Grand-Duc|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 19:00, 23 June 2011 (UTC)


I'm looking for a resource that lists wikipedia pages that are widely recognized as models to follow. The category of entries closest to what I'm looking for might be described as a practice or service. For example [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoption adoption] may be a good one. In the talk it is labeled as "This article is or was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment." Is there a way to find a list of articles that were part of Wiki Education Foundation, and could be consistered a 'gold standard' of wikipedia? {{unsigned2|17:08, 19 May 2024|Nylnoj}}
On some pages, it seems that simply using {{tl|en}}, {{tl|es}}, {{tl|fi}} etc does the same as {{tl|mld}}. These aren't nearly as complicated {{tl|mld}}. Couldn't we simply depreciate {{tl|mld}} in favor of these? -- [[User talk:Docu|<span style="font-size:80%;border:#000 solid 1px;padding:0"><span style="margin:0;color:#CE2029">&nbsp;Docu&nbsp;</span></span>]] <span style="font-size:75%">at</span> 04:54, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
:except that mld allows to synchronize all translation at a given level. Actually, If there are several levels of {{tl|de}} in a description and that one is missing, there will be no indication that one is missing locally. The basic behaviour in this case is to show all translations per mld block, to indicate a translation is missing. [[User:Esby|Esby]] ([[User talk:Esby|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 06:41, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
:You need to ask at Wikipedia: try [[w:Wikipedia:Help_desk]]. [[User:Enhancing999|Enhancing999]] ([[User talk:Enhancing999|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:12, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
::Is this a problem with {{tl|de}} or also with the others I listed? What type of page is this relevant? -- [[User talk:Docu|<span style="font-size:80%;border:#000 solid 1px;padding:0"><span style="margin:0;color:#CE2029">&nbsp;Docu&nbsp;</span></span>]] <span style="font-size:75%">at</span> 06:44, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
:@[[User:Nylnoj|Nylnoj]]: Hi, and welcome. See also [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org_assignment this special page]. &nbsp; — 🇺🇦<span style="font-size:115%;background:#FFA">[[User:Jeff G.|Jeff G.]]</span> ツ<small> please [[Template:Ping|ping]] or [[User:Jeff G./talk|talk to me]]</small>🇺🇦 10:57, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
:::There are two differents things: the mld template, that is a logical construction that triggers {{tl|en}} {{tl|de}} etc. and encapsulate them in a single multilingual div, so each translation is corresponding to the same thing.
:::the java script that is used for displaying the information, [[MediaWiki:Multilingual_description.js]]. It triggers either when an mld block is present or when the number of languages is superior to a given value. the current value is 5 different languages presents to trigger the effect.
:::[[User:Esby|Esby]] ([[User talk:Esby|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 20:24, 25 June 2011 (UTC)


=June 23=
= May 20 =
== Verify the existence of paintings ==
There have been a [https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Halhyx&target=Halhyx&offset=&limit=500 bunch of uploads] with belgian artist´s [[:Category:Léon Houyoux]] (1856 – 1940) works recently. I was unable to verify the existence of those paintings, even the titles don´t seem to match up with [https://www.artnet.com/artists/l%C3%A9on-houyoux/ artnet]. Do we have any proceedings for finding out if they are real/legit? [[User:Alexpl|Alexpl]] ([[User talk:Alexpl|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:39, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
:{{ping|Alexpl}} Why didn't you ask the [[User:Halhyx|uploader]]? [[User:Yann|Yann]] ([[User talk:Yann|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:21, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
::The uploader already wrote "private collection". So that doesn´t really help - unless they are listed somewhere else. I did hope for somebody to come up with another good source for such things. [[User:Alexpl|Alexpl]] ([[User talk:Alexpl|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:50, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
:::at least one has source https://archive.org/details/catalogueillust1907soci/page/42/mode/2up?view=theater--[[User:Oursana|Oursana]] ([[User talk:Oursana|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:26, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
::This comes directly from our family (descendants), these paintings have already been shown in retrospective exhibitions and appear in catalogs and books dedicated to Léon Houyoux. Yours sincerely, Nicolas Houyoux [[User:Halhyx|Halhyx]] ([[User talk:Halhyx|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:53, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
:::If the paintings have been documented in catalogs a.o. and you have the details for those publications, you should put them in the "Description" text for each file. [[User:Alexpl|Alexpl]] ([[User talk:Alexpl|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:43, 20 May 2024 (UTC)


== Новый интерфейс загрузки ==
== One file, two pictures ==


Кто-то с недавних пор поменял интерфейс загрузки файлов. При копировании названий файлов автоматическая нумерация не работает. Если загружаешь семь файлов, то все они будут иметь число семь в своём названии после копирования, а не порядковый номер по загрузке. Зачем и почему? Теперь ещё и приходится заполнять подпись к файлу, что стало обязательным пунктом при загрузке. Она копируется в последующие загрузки, но дело в том, что размер подписи ограничен. Зачем нужна обязательная подпись, если есть обязательное описание? Мало того, описание теперь не копируется в последующие загрузки, хотя такая галочка копирования у меня всегда нажата, в результате чего приходится копировать вручную. Зачем нужно было предпринимать такие нововведения, которые затрудняют мне работу в Викискладе? Кто-нибудь советовался в теми, кто активно и помногу загружает изображения на Викисклад? --[[User:Engelberthumperdink|Engelberthumperdink]] ([[User talk:Engelberthumperdink|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:41, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
This one [[:File:Prisches.jpg]] contains two pictures, shouldn't it be two files? --[[User:Havang(nl)|Havang(nl)]] ([[User talk:Havang(nl)|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 16:05, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
:Generally, [[Commons:Avoid_overwriting_existing_files|yes]], but it could be that the first version was an accidental upload. The new version was uploaded only two minutes later. So I wouldn't [[Template:split|split]] it. Cheers --[[User:Saibo|Saibo]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Saibo|<small>Δ</small>]]) 17:00, 24 June 2011 (UTC)


:Вы написали на русскоязычном форуме, я там ответил и дал ссылки. [[User:Ymblanter|Ymblanter]] ([[User talk:Ymblanter|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:07, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
::But in this case where both pictures seem to be valuable (though the one showing is the best), may it be separated, or is there any problem with the licensing? --[[User:Darwinius|<font color="#4153A0" face="Century Gothic" size="2">- '''Darwin'''</font>]] [[User talk:Darwinius|<font color="#4153A0"><sup>Ahoy!</sup></font>]] 22:02, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
: I'll copy this to [[Commons:Upload Wizard feedback]] as well. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ! [[User talk:Jmabel|talk]] 17:04, 20 May 2024 (UTC)


== Identity theft ==
:::I would assume they'd both be considered as uploaded under the same license. <span style="white-space:nowrap; text-shadow:gray 5px 3px 1px;">— [[User:Huntster|Huntster]] <small>([[User talk:Huntster|t]] [[Special:Emailuser/Huntster|@]] [[Special:Contributions/Huntster|c]])</small></span> 04:52, 26 June 2011 (UTC)


someone is downloading all kinds of files that ain't true to my accounts..this last one that I share with Evan Remillard...not true I'm never joined no family I don't have no online buissnesses or events someone is using my identity..I want info how to close this account please they are changing stuff from 2022 2023.mot only here Facebook Twitter [[Special:Contributions/2603:7081:7C00:2292:E14C:852D:D0AC:4C4E|2603:7081:7C00:2292:E14C:852D:D0AC:4C4E]] 17:53, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
::::With such a quick re-upload, I'd suggest asking the user. He's still active as of two weeks ago. [[User:LtPowers|Powers]] ([[User talk:LtPowers|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 15:13, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
: Since you don't say what account this is about there is nothing we can do. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ! [[User talk:Jmabel|talk]] 01:36, 21 May 2024 (UTC)


== Bugs in Upload Wizard ==
:::Yes, both are valuable - but it could be, as I said, that it was an accident and that he did not intend to license the first picture and the license is possibly indeed not valid therefore. Ask him please. Cheers --[[User:Saibo|Saibo]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Saibo|<small>Δ</small>]]) 17:37, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
::::Asked, permission granted, new file now at [[:File:Prisches 2.jpg]]. :) --[[User:Darwinius|<font color="#4153A0" face="Century Gothic" size="2">- '''Darwin'''</font>]] [[User talk:Darwinius|<font color="#4153A0"><sup>Ahoy!</sup></font>]] 23:38, 28 June 2011 (UTC)


Hi, can I report bugs in the Upload Wizard here? If not, would anyone be kind enough to copy and paste these to the appropriate place? (I do not have an account for any bug-reporting system, and do not want one.)
== DMCA takedown ==


1. I tried to type <nowiki>''...''</nowiki> (pairs of single quotes) around a word in the "Title" field, wanting italics but forgetting that it was the filename, and got the incorrect message "Please write a more informative title". No matter how "informative" I made the title, the message persisted until I removed the quote characters.
Pursuant to a directive by the Wikimedia Foundation's general counsel, I have executed a [[w:DMCA|DMCA takedown]] on a number of files, described [[wmf:File:DMCA_-_Colbert.pdf|here]]. Please do not readd the files. Best wishes, [[User:Philippe (WMF)|Philippe (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Philippe (WMF)|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 18:06, 24 June 2011 (UTC)


2. Uploading multiple files, "Copy title (with automatic numbering)" did not create automatic numbering. Instead, it put the same numeric suffix on all files, which I then had to change manually.
:Thanks for the information. Out of interest, does anyone know what these were photos of? Also, Flying Elephants Inc? Nice name. -''[[User:Mattbuck|mattbuck]]'' <small>([[User talk:Mattbuck|Talk]])</small> 18:16, 24 June 2011 (UTC)


3. Uploading multiple files, "Copy description" no longer seems to work. I'm guessing that this may be because the "Same as caption" setting is not turned off for the subsequent files, which I suppose it needs to be for the description to be picked up.
::Photos in [[:en:Ashes and Snow]] were deleted, for example [http://ookaboo.com/o/pictures/picture/11907014/Photo_by_Gregory_Colbert this photo]. [[:Category:Gregory Colbert]] should be checked. I remember another photographer who said that his administrative assistant gave unauthorized permissions, [[Commons:Deletion requests/File:Witch's Rock, Costa Rica.jpg]]. It is difficult to do business with such people. /[[User:Pieter Kuiper|Pieter Kuiper]] ([[User talk:Pieter Kuiper|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 18:37, 24 June 2011 (UTC)


Thanks, [[User:ITookSomePhotos|ITookSomePhotos]] ([[User talk:ITookSomePhotos|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:58, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
:::Files were in category [[:Category:Gregory Colbert]], many were uploaded by [[:en:User:Briennewalsh|Briennewalsh]] and moved from en wiki in 2008, they had low resolution and show "The Nomadic Museum which is the permanent traveling home of Ashes and Snow, created by photographer and filmmaker Gregory Colbert". One came from [http://www.flickr.com/photos/paolomazzoleni/248929077/ flicker] others were very similar to other photos on flickr. One was a photo by Gregory Colbert with GFDL license but no OTRS. At least one did not seen to show any artwork but a night photo of Mexico City. Most of those photos would not survive DR. --[[User:Jarekt|Jarekt]] ([[User talk:Jarekt|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 18:58, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::Most uploaded by Briennawalsh on en.wp, lot of other photos still exist from [[:en:Special:Contributions/Patiofurniture]]- some of that users uploads are even duplicates of those deleted files.--[[User:Martin H.|Martin H.]] ([[User talk:Martin H.|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 23:28, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
:I think the most interesting aspect of this is that several files were OTRS approved. I have seen many emails where images were discussed with a member of an organization. In this case it was with an administrative assistant. Should we request an audience with every organization's legal department before slapping on the OTRS permission label? &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 19:22, 24 June 2011 (UTC)


:{{ping|ITookSomePhotos}} For the second point there is an answer above (see section [[#Changes in UploadWizard: lost autonumbering]]). --[[User:ZandDev|ZandDev]] ([[User talk:ZandDev|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:46, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
::The title of Administrative Assistant is frequently held by people with little or no tertiary education or prior work experience – and very little actual authority. Under [[:en:law of agency|agency law]], a more senior title (director, officer, or agent) is generally required for [[:en:apparent authority|apparent authority]] to come into play. A person without actual or apparent authority cannot bind the company to an agreement (such as a license). However, as part of the standard OTRS consent declaration, the submitting party makes an explicit warranty of authority. If a third party relies on such a warranty, the submitter is personally liable to that third party for breach of warranty, which should recover costs incurred as a result of the license being declared void. Thus, an OTRS consent declaration with a warranty of authority is still of some value. At least that's my layman's interpretation of the situation. ''—[[User:LX|LX]] ([[User_talk:LX|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/LX|contribs]])'' 22:58, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
:{{ping|ITookSomePhotos}} In general, try [[Commons:Upload Wizard feedback]]. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ! [[User talk:Jmabel|talk]] 01:38, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
:::LX is correct that under ''agency law'' the administrative assistant did not qualify. I assure you, we did this one carefully, and our general counsel spoke with the counsel of record. If we had any doubt about their claim, we would have fought harder - but in this case, it was fairly clean cut. The administrative assistant was not authorized to claim authority over those works. [[User:Philippe (WMF)|Philippe (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Philippe (WMF)|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 04:46, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
::thanks, will do [[User:ITookSomePhotos|ITookSomePhotos]] ([[User talk:ITookSomePhotos|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:42, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
::::There's no doubt about that - our real concern is how to prevent this from happening in the future. If someone had reused that work before it was taken down, one of our content reusers could have suffered serious economic damage. It's clear that OTRS needs to be more methodical about assessing whether a given person is able to act on behalf of their company, and this needs to be communicated somehow to the OTRS team. [[User:Dcoetzee|Dcoetzee]] ([[User talk:Dcoetzee|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 06:51, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::I agree it's a potentially perilous situation, but there's only so much we can do. [[User:LtPowers|Powers]] ([[User talk:LtPowers|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 15:11, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::And it should be noted that we do a heck of a lot more than, say, Flickr. ''—[[User:LX|LX]] ([[User_talk:LX|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/LX|contribs]])'' 20:17, 26 June 2011 (UTC)


== Strange behaviour of PDF previewer ==
=June 25=
{{Section resolved|1=--[[User:ZandDev|ZandDev]] ([[User talk:ZandDev|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:01, 24 May 2024 (UTC)}}
== [[Commons:Database reports/User preferences|User preferences]] ==
I was surfing {{c|Piedmontese language}} category and I found inside the subcategory {{c|Bibia piemontèisa}} with some files, as e.g. {{f|Esechiel (test complèt).pdf}}. The thumb image is the (fallback?) PDF icon and it is written that the file dimensions are 0×0. Chrome file viewer display the files correctly (it has 127 pages, A5, PDF-1.5). --[[User:ZandDev|ZandDev]] ([[User talk:ZandDev|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:56, 20 May 2024 (UTC)


:{{ping|ZandDev}} I purged the problematic files and they show up correctly for me now. [[User:MKFI|MKFI]] ([[User talk:MKFI|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 06:46, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
There is a new report at [[Commons:Database reports/User preferences]].
::@MKFI Perfect, better this way. -- [[User:ZandDev|ZandDev]] ([[User talk:ZandDev|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:28, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
:::{{ping|MKFI}} Oh wrong ping. -- [[User:ZandDev|ZandDev]] ([[User talk:ZandDev|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:59, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


= May 21 =
*It shows that HotCat, Cat-a-lot and Gallerypreview are the most popular gadgets.
*"CategoryAboveAll" (393 users) is used more frequently than "CategoryAboveBelowImage" (298).


== [[Commons:Photo challenge|Photo challenge]] March results ==
Probably it doesn't distinguish between active and inactive users. -- [[User talk:Docu|<span style="font-size:80%;border:#000 solid 1px;padding:0"><span style="margin:0;color:#CE2029">&nbsp;Docu&nbsp;</span></span>]] <span style="font-size:75%">at</span> 06:37, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
{{Commons:Photo challenge/2024 - March - Grays/Winners|height=210}}
{{Commons:Photo challenge/2024 - March - Courthouses/Winners|height=150}}
Congratulations to [[User:Mozzihh|Mozzihh]], [[User:FreCha|FreCha]], [[User:GPSLeo|GPSLeo]], [[User:Mensch01|Mensch01]], [[User:Prof Ranga Sai|Prof Ranga Sai]] and [[User:Wingerham52|Wingerham52]]. -- [[User:Jarekt|Jarekt]] ([[User talk:Jarekt|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 03:32, 21 May 2024 (UTC)


== Rename a file ==


How do I rename an image here? [[:File:Pinconning.jpg]] is clashing with a Pinconning.jpg on Wikipedia proper, and I would like to rename the former. [[User:TenPoundHammer|TenPoundHammer]] ([[User talk:TenPoundHammer|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:02, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
:As HotCat (4573 users) exists for a fairly long time and is a tool one probably needs for efficient editing, maybe http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikispecial/EN/TablesWikipediaCOMMONS.htm#editdistribution
:can be used as a point of comparison.


:You could just use the ''export to wikimedia commons'' button inside (top of) the wikipedia [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pinconning.jpg page], during the export process you will have the opportunity of renaming the file to (example) ''Pinconning, cows in a field.jpg''. Otherwise, you could apply for file mover rights to rename your own file, which is unnecessary. [[User:Broichmore|Broichmore]] ([[User talk:Broichmore|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:31, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
:One could attempt to compare
:: {{ping|Broichmore}} the "export" approach presumes [[User:TenPoundHammer]] wants to move the file to Commons from [an unspecified] Wikipedia. I think what they are complaining about is that the Wikipedia file is "masking" access to the Commons file on that Wikipedia. Seems like a valid reason to move/rename the Commons file.
:*4573
:: {{ping|TenPoundHammer}} I can't see the particular form of the UI that you get, but there should typically be a "move" button in a navigation strip just above the image. If you don't have filemover privileges, that will just let you request a move for someone else to carry out. Alternatively, you can edit the wikitext and use {{tl|Rename}}, which will have the same effect. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ! [[User talk:Jmabel|talk]] 03:21, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
:*with the 5502 users with more than 1000 edits
:::The file was uploaded to enwiki under a free license. I see no reason to not have a file like that on Commons instead, so now it is. [[User:ReneeWrites|ReneeWrites]] ([[User talk:ReneeWrites|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:42, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
:*or 13071 users with more than 316 edits.
:@[[User:TenPoundHammer|TenPoundHammer]]: [[COM:FRNOT]] item 3 says that in such cases the file on Wikipedia should be renamed. {{U|Inertia6084}}, who renamed the Commons file, might want to review our guidelines. --[[User:Bjh21|bjh21]] ([[User talk:Bjh21|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:27, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
:The conclusion might be the only one third of the users who could (should) use HotCat actually use it. -- [[User talk:Docu|<span style="font-size:80%;border:#000 solid 1px;padding:0"><span style="margin:0;color:#CE2029">&nbsp;Docu&nbsp;</span></span>]] <span style="font-size:75%">at</span> 08:20, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
::This was uploaders request (Criterion 1), although Crit. 6 was given. So "... who renamed the ... want to review our guidelines", doesn't make sense. How should I have known this? The history says "''(Uploaded own work with UploadWizard)''", not "uploaded from en.wiki" - So the uploader uploaded this themselves, not via Wikipedia. [[User:Inertia6084|Inertia6084 (talk)]] ([[User talk:Inertia6084|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:43, 23 May 2024 (UTC) PS if someone likes to get it renamed to another name, please give me a ping. Thnx. - [[User:Inertia6084|Inertia6084 (talk)]] ([[User talk:Inertia6084|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:43, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Inertia6084|Inertia6084]]: Oh, yes, it's me who should have reviewed the history of the file! I'm very sorry! I shall now go and rename some files to compensate for my mistake. --[[User:Bjh21|bjh21]] ([[User talk:Bjh21|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:50, 23 May 2024 (UTC)


= May 22 =
:The 15 users of the (long dead) Amethyst skin suggest that the statistics isn't limited to active users. &ndash;[[User:Be..anyone|Be..anyone]] ([[User talk:Be..anyone|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 08:27, 26 June 2011 (UTC)


== Feedback invited on Procedure for Sibling Project Lifecycle ==
::Yes and [http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikispecial/EN/TablesWikipediaCOMMONS.htm#editdistribution editdistribution] neither. -- [[User talk:Docu|<span style="font-size:80%;border:#000 solid 1px;padding:0"><span style="margin:0;color:#CE2029">&nbsp;Docu&nbsp;</span></span>]] <span style="font-size:75%">at</span> 08:30, 26 June 2011 (UTC)


<section begin="announcement-content" />
It is funny to see that some admin only gadgets such as ''DelReqHandler'' have far more users than there are admins. --[[User:Leyo|Leyo]] 05:44, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
:''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee/Procedure for Sibling Project Lifecycle/Invitation for feedback (MM)|You can find this message translated into additional languages on Meta-wiki.]] [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=page-{{urlencode:Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee/Procedure for Sibling Project Lifecycle/Invitation for feedback (MM)}}&language=&action=page&filter= {{int:please-translate}}]''


[[File:Sibling Project Lifecycle Conversation 3.png|150px|right|link=:m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee/Procedure for Sibling Project Lifecycle]]
== Free FBI audio files ==


Dear community members,
The following is a link to some audio files given by the FBI to ''The Oregonian''. In these tapes, Swami Krishna Deva, the mayor of [[w:Rajneeshpuram|Rajneespuram, Oregon]], talks with John Mathis, a mediator with the federal Community Relations Service. He prods Mathis for details about a secret federal investigation. Since these tapes were recorded by the FBi, i assume that they are in the public domain. As such, would someone please upload these five files in ogg format? I just thought these would be an interesting addition to articles related to the [[w:Rajneesh movement|Rajneesh movement]]. Thanks.
* http://www.oregonlive.com/rajneesh/index.ssf/documents.html
[[User:Joyson Noel |<big><FONT FACE="Haettenschweiler" COLOR="#ff0000">Joyson Noel</FONT></big>]][[User talk:Joyson Noel |<small><sup><FONT FACE="Haettenschweiler" COLOR="#ff0000"> Holla at me</FONT></sup></small>]] 15:26, 25 June 2011 (UTC)


The [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee|Community Affairs Committee]] (CAC) of the [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees|Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees]] invites you to give feedback on a '''[[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee/Procedure for Sibling Project Lifecycle|draft Procedure for Sibling Project Lifecycle]]'''. This draft Procedure outlines proposed steps and requirements for opening and closing Wikimedia Sibling Projects, and aims to ensure any newly approved projects are set up for success. This is separate from the procedures for opening or closing language versions of projects, which is handled by the [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Language committee|Language Committee]] or [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Closing_projects_policy|closing projects policy]].
:Done, see [[:File:Rajneesh-Part1.ogg]] - [[:File:Rajneesh-Part5.ogg]]. [[User:Avicennasis|sısɐuuǝɔıʌ∀]] ([[User talk:Avicennasis|<span class="signature-talk">diskuto</span>]]) 01:10, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
::Great job, {{user|Avicennasis}}!!! I have added them into a category, [[:Category:Federal Bureau of Investigation audio files on Rajneesh movement]]. -- '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 01:52, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
::: Thanks [[user:Avicennasis|Avicennasis]]! :-) [[User:Joyson Noel |<big><FONT FACE="Haettenschweiler" COLOR="#ff0000">Joyson Noel</FONT></big>]][[User talk:Joyson Noel |<small><sup><FONT FACE="Haettenschweiler" COLOR="#ff0000"> Holla at me</FONT></sup></small>]] 04:30, 26 June 2011 (UTC)


You can find the details on [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Talk:Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee/Procedure for Sibling Project Lifecycle#Review|this page]], as well as the ways to give your feedback from today until the end of the day on '''June 23, 2024''', anywhere on Earth.
:Hmm... the FBI created the recording. But don't the two people talking have some kind of copyright to their conversation? It's probably not important in this case, as it was published in 1984, most likely without a copyright notice. But it might be interesting for similar files. --[[User:Kam Solusar|Kam Solusar]] ([[User talk:Kam Solusar|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 18:47, 26 June 2011 (UTC)


You can also share information about this with the interested project communities you work with or support, and you can also help us translate the procedure into more languages, so people can join the discussions in their own language.
::In short, no, unless they wrote a script for their conversation beforehand. Only ''fixed'' (or ''tangible'') works (recordings, documents, photos) attract copyright, rather than speeches per se. It is a rather complicated issue, discussed fully at [http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/User:Physchim62/Copyright_in_speeches]. Note that although at first that article seems to imply copyright, it is mainly asserting that the recorder would have a copyright, which would be the FBI; and that unfixed speeches are unlikely to attract copyright themselves. That's my take on it, anyway, but IANAL. [[User:Jarry1250|Jarry1250]] ([[User talk:Jarry1250|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 09:08, 27 June 2011 (UTC)


On behalf of the CAC,<section end="announcement-content" />
::: Is it possible to upload the scans of FBI and federal government documents on Commons? If so, then i request someone to upload whichever documents (in the link) falls under the public domain. Thanks. [[User:Joyson Noel |<big><FONT FACE="Haettenschweiler" COLOR="#ff0000">Joyson Noel</FONT></big>]][[User talk:Joyson Noel |<small><sup><FONT FACE="Haettenschweiler" COLOR="#ff0000"> Holla at me</FONT></sup></small>]] 11:18, 1 July 2011 (UTC)


[[m:User:RamzyM (WMF)|RamzyM (WMF)]] 02:24, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
== British Rail templates ==
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== British English = Tsonga? ==
I've come across some unused templates - should they be deleted or is there some use for these?
* {{tl|Cbyl}}
* {{tl|Cbyline}}
* {{tl|Cbyo}}
* {{tl|Csbyl}}
* {{tl|Csbyline}}
* {{tl|Csbyo}}
[[User:Rd232|Rd232]] ([[User talk:Rd232|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 14:30, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
:Question raised at [[w:Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Railways]]. [[User:Nthep|Nthep]] ([[User talk:Nthep|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 15:40, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
::Oh, sorry. They ''are'' used, just as a subst. Ditto for tbyl, tbyline, tbyo, toc, tocl, ukt, ukcs and whatever other rail templates I created and have forgotten. They're for creating train categories. Just a thought, but in future you may want to alert the template's creator (in this case me) when you come across this sort of thing. -''[[User:Mattbuck|mattbuck]]'' <small>([[User talk:Mattbuck|Talk]])</small> 16:40, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
:::Sorry, forgot to check whether the creator was still active (usually not, in my current cleanup efforts). So, can you create a suitable category for these templates, and perhaps some documentation (it could be a single /doc shared across all of them)? Thanks. [[User:Rd232|Rd232]] ([[User talk:Rd232|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 17:06, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
::::Also {{tl|tll}}, {{tl|tint}}, {{tl|Ukc}}, {{tl|tocint}} and {{tl|trainline}}. [[User:Rd232|Rd232]] ([[User talk:Rd232|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 17:32, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::Unused uncategorized templates tend to get nuked (by me). So if you want to keep them you should properly categorize these templates. [[User:Multichill|Multichill]] ([[User talk:Multichill|talk]]) 18:36, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::Yes, I've done I quite a bit in [[:Category:Uncategorized templates]], dealing with the more obvious cases (like uncategorised /xx language pages). Increasingly, though, the templates remaining don't have obvious (to me...) categories to be put in, so some need creating, or someone else to figure out what to do with them. [[User:Rd232|Rd232]] ([[User talk:Rd232|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 19:14, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Think I got them all: [[:Category:British railway templates]] -''[[User:Mattbuck|mattbuck]]'' <small>([[User talk:Mattbuck|Talk]])</small> 21:15, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::::Cool. Could that category be added to [[:Category:Category navigational templates for the United Kingdom]]? (The category structure for these sort of specialised topic templates seems a bit unclear.) [[User:Rd232|Rd232]] ([[User talk:Rd232|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 21:47, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::I have no idea about template categorisation, please, do whatever you wish with it. -''[[User:Mattbuck|mattbuck]]'' <small>([[User talk:Mattbuck|Talk]])</small> 23:46, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
=June 27=


I have my language preference for this project set to "British English", as English is my mother tongue (do people have any idea just how offensive it is for English to be termed as 'British English" while American English is described as 'English', I wonder?). In the last week or so, parts of any page I access are displayed in a language that Google Translate seems to think is at least partly Tsonga; example: "Yi efo/eka'e gwa ebo wo le nyangagi wuncin ye kamina wunga tinya nan". Does anyone know what's going on, and if anyone's working to fix it? Thanks, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:30, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
== How to delete my own picture? ==


:@[[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]]: That text shows [https://translatewiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Filehist-help/nup here]. &nbsp; — 🇺🇦<span style="font-size:115%;background:#FFA">[[User:Jeff G.|Jeff G.]]</span> ツ<small> please [[Template:Ping|ping]] or [[User:Jeff G./talk|talk to me]]</small>🇺🇦 14:22, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
Picture is not in use, and it is a poor quality picture. --[[Special:Contributions/87.95.8.23|87.95.8.23]] 10:31, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
:: FWIW, we have both "British English" (en-UK) and "American English" (en-US). Unqualified "English" (en) can be either, or any of a number of other national variants (e.g. en-CA or en-IN), and is on something of a "first come, first serve" basis. No comment on the Tsonga thing, though. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ! [[User talk:Jmabel|talk]] 17:58, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
:Can you please identify the picture? — Cheers, [[User:Jacklee|<span style="color:#CE2029">Jack</span><span style="color:#800000">'''Lee'''</span>]] <sup>–[[User talk:Jacklee|talk]]–</sup> 10:31, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
:::We also choose not to fight the American Revolution again. &nbsp; — 🇺🇦<span style="font-size:115%;background:#FFA">[[User:Jeff G.|Jeff G.]]</span> ツ<small> please [[Template:Ping|ping]] or [[User:Jeff G./talk|talk to me]]</small>🇺🇦 19:08, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
::You can tag the image for speedy deletion: <nowiki>{{speedydelete|reason for deletion}}</nowiki> '''<font face="times new roman">[[User:Micki|<span style="background:#91A3B0;color:#fff;padding:0 4px">micki</span>]][[User talk:Micki|<span style="background:#666;padding:0 4px;color:#fff;">t</span>]]</font>''' 14:38, 27 June 2011 (UTC)


== Emilio Segrè Visual Archives ==
== Tineye Gadget ==


[[MediaWiki:Gadget-Tineye.js]] is very useful, but tineye's database is relatively small. Now that Google Images allows you to search images by drag-drop, I wish there could be a way to update the gadget to automate searching images, so we can easily detect copyvios. [[User:Huji|Huji]] ([[User talk:Huji|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 13:22, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
Someone left a message here stating The Emilio Segrè Visual Archives copyright policy: [[Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Harold_Urey,_c._1932.jpg]]. Is there anyway we can automate aggregating all the images that originate with them into [[:Category:Emilio Segrè Visual Archives]]? --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 18:06, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
: {{ping|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )}} am I correct that the the Emilio Segrè Visual Archives is a subset of the [https://www.aip.org/history-programs/niels-bohr-library Niels Bohr Library and Archives]? If so, is there anything in the source URL that will tell us that a particular file is part of the Emilio Segrè Visual Archives? - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ! [[User talk:Jmabel|talk]] 18:59, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
:There is already a new gadged for that: GoogleImages tab. [[User:MKFI|MKFI]] ([[User talk:MKFI|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 13:26, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
* I am not sure what belongs to what part of the archive, but when I search for [https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?go=Go&search=Emilio+Segr%C3%A8+Visual+Archives&title=Special%3ASearch&ns0=1&ns1=1&ns2=1&ns3=1&ns4=1&ns5=1&ns6=1&ns7=1&ns8=1&ns9=1&ns10=1&ns11=1&ns12=1&ns13=1&ns14=1&ns15=1&ns100=1&ns101=1&ns102=1&ns103=1&ns104=1&ns105=1&ns106=1&ns107=1&ns460=1&ns461=1&ns486=1&ns487=1&ns828=1&ns829=1&ns1198=1&ns1199=1 Emilio Segrè Visual Archives] I get those results, can you see them from the link, if not just type "Emilio Segrè Visual Archives" in search. It appears that images from the Emilio Segrè Visual Archives have their own copyright statement apart from the Niels Bohr Library and Archives. It appears that Niels Bohr Library and Archives may house the physical prints. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 19:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
::Yep, mentioned at [[#New gadget : GoogleImages tab]] on this page. [[User:Clindberg|Carl Lindberg]] ([[User talk:Clindberg|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 14:36, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
:: {{ping|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )}} I would suggest that rather than a fully automated solution, you could use Cat-a-lot or VFC on that search result to add the category. Probably there are other tools as well, but those are the two I would consider. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ! [[User talk:Jmabel|talk]] 17:30, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
:::Also there are extensions from Google for [http://www.google.com/insidesearch/searchbyimage.html Chrome and Firefox], the Firefox extension is not compatible with Firefox 5 though. <span style="text-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em grey">'''[[User:Mmxx|<span style='font-family:arial;color:#006;background-color:#E6E6FA'>&nbsp; ■ MMXX </span>]]'''<sup>&nbsp;[[User talk:Mmxx|''<span style='color: #006;'>talk</span>'']]&nbsp;</sup></span> 20:49, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
* I have never used Cat-a-lot that way, but I will give it a try. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 17:56, 23 May 2024 (UTC)


== Training area ==
== Problem with Upload ==


I'm hoping to run some training sessions soon, teaching people to edit Wikipedia and upload to Commons. On Wikipedia, the trainees can use a sandbox to practise editing. Is there any facility on Commons, for them to upload images to a test area or category, from where, after a day or two, they can be deleted? [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] ([[User talk:Pigsonthewing|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]])
There is a problem with [[Special:Upload]]. Once you have completed the form and submit for uploading, if there is a problem with the selected file name it chooses a new valid name and gives you a chance to proceed. It used to have buttons to change the name or use the selected name. But the problem is it looses all of the description, licencing & categories that has been entered, just offering a blank form with a basic description template. [[User:Keith D|Keith D]] ([[User talk:Keith D|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:44, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
: {{ping|Keith D}} I'm not sure I follow that. Could you describe the old and new sequence, indicating where they differ? Or maybe someone can understand this as written and give you an answer. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ! [[User talk:Jmabel|talk]] 17:32, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
[[File:Test upload screenshot.png|thumb|350px|Image showing how to mark an upload as a test upload in the Upload Wizard.]]
:I have taken the liberty of creating {{tl|test upload}}. During upload, uploaders should click "More options" on the "describe" panel of the Upload Wizard, and enter "<nowiki>{{test upload}}</nowiki>" in the "Other information" box. These will be deleted after at least 24 hours. Note that trainees should never upload copyright violations, even temporarily - instead they should either use an existing image on Wikimedia Commons, or a photo or artwork created by themselves. [[User:Dcoetzee|Dcoetzee]] ([[User talk:Dcoetzee|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 10:26, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
::That's brilliant, thank you. can we get such images excluded from warnings such as "this is a duplicate"? [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] ([[User talk:Pigsonthewing|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 20:06, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
:There is a category with test images: [[:Category:Test images]]. Most images there should be okay to mess around with. [[User:Amada44|<span style="font-family:Geneva;color:black;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px #00ff00;font-weight:bold">Amada44</span>]] &nbsp;[[User_talk:Amada44|<sup><span style="text-decoration:underline;font-size:smaller;color:gray">''talk to me''</span></sup>]] 10:34, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
:: There are images, such as [[:File:Measurement.of.scattered.and.reflected.light.png|this one]], in that category that are used in wikipedia articles. However, [http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Test_images&diff=next&oldid=39968127 this edit] added the text "''These are test images. Images can also be used for testing actions like moving, deleting etc. License may but must not apply. Images in this category may be deleted, moved or other images loaded on top of them.''" Is this truly intended? If so we should remove all "useful" images away from that category. If not we should delete that text. -[[User:84user|84user]] ([[User talk:84user|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 18:19, 28 June 2011 (UTC) Hmmm, that one may have been the only image that was not a test, so I removed it from the category. -[[User:84user|84user]] ([[User talk:84user|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 18:28, 28 June 2011 (UTC)


=June 28=
= May 23 =


== dates in structured data ==
== Golan v. Holder amicus filed by EFF, WMF, et al ==


In structured data when you add a date for inception or publication_date, you have the option of making it "Mark as prominent", is there an instance where you want to mark a date that way? Or do we not need "Mark as prominent" when dates are added? --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 05:22, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
From [[:en:Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2011-06-27/News and notes]]: '''WMF moves to defend public domain''': As announced earlier ([[:en:Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2011-04-11/News and notes#Foundation releases monthly report and yearly tax form, signs amicus brief|''Signpost'' coverage]]), the Foundation has joined forces with several educational institutions to support an [[:en:Electronic Frontier Foundation|Electronic Frontier Foundation]] Amicus brief regarding the [[:en:Golan v. Holder|Golan v. Holder]] case. The case stems from US acceptance of the [[:en:Berne Convention|Berne Convention]] in 1994, an act which granted copyright protection to several foreign works that were previously in the [[:en:public domain|public domain]] according to the [[:en:Copyright Act|Copyright Act]].<br/>Last week, Geoff Brigham, the General Counsel of WMF, [http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine?do=post_view_flat;post=239102;page=1;mh=-1;list=wiki;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC announced] that the amicus brief had been filed, and explained the relevance of the case to Wikimedia "in light of the tremendously important role that the public domain plays in our mission": "To put it bluntly, Congress cannot be permitted the power to remove such works from the public domain whenever it finds it suitable to do so. It is not right – legally or morally." More information, including the Amicus brief, is available on the [https://www.eff.org/cases/golan-v-holder EFF page].


:I'm overjoyed to hear that the WMF is getting involved with this. I actually raised this point in a discussion here earlier ([[Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2010/11#Should Metropolis be on Commons?]]), where ''Metropolis'' is one of the films listed in the Wikipedia article as affected by URAA. I feel like the WMF is arguing a case before the Supreme Court on my behalf, and it's most welcome. [[User:Wnt|Wnt]] ([[User talk:Wnt|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 06:53, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
:If a field only contains one entry it's automatically treated as the prominent one. This is the default, so you don't need to worry about all the entries on Commons or Wikidata that don't have them marked as such. The prompt to mark something as prominent only appears if there are two (or more) conflicting entries in one field, in which case Wikidata doesn't quite know what to do with it and asks you to pick one. [[User:ReneeWrites|ReneeWrites]] ([[User talk:ReneeWrites|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:19, 23 May 2024 (UTC)


== Commons Mission Statement ? ==
== How is this possible ? ==


How is this possible ? The [[:File:Silvermynt - Skoklosters slott - 109422.tif]] was rotated in 2019 but still appears upside down ! --[[User:DenghiùComm|DenghiùComm]] ([[User talk:DenghiùComm|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:27, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
What is the Mission Statement of Wikimedia Commons? I have looked on the first page, and I do not find anything that describes what Wikimedia Commons is supposed to do, what commons is supposed to beneficial for, or in what way. Is there such a statement? If so, where? I would think that Wikimedia Commons is supposed to be a repository for media, to be used in various language wikipedia projects. Kind of an educational helper (excuse my bad english there) --[[User:Janwikifoto|Janwikifoto]] ([[User talk:Janwikifoto|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 10:20, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
:[[Commons:Project scope]]. [[User:Dcoetzee|Dcoetzee]] ([[User talk:Dcoetzee|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 10:27, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
* You have to do a hard purge of your cache, it is still loading the old version from your cache. I see the rotated version. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 16:55, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
**I purged the cache over and over again. When I do this with other files, everything becomes ok. Not with this file. What can/must I do? --[[User:DenghiùComm|DenghiùComm]] ([[User talk:DenghiùComm|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:48, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
::On the Main Page it says "Welcome to Wikimedia Commons". "Welcome" links to [[Commons:Welcome]]; maybe "Wikimedia Commons" should link to [[Commons:About]]. I know About redirects to Welcome, but for those in Janwikifoto's situation, it's a lot more obvious to click on "Wikimedia Commons" ("what is this? aha") than on "welcome" ("what am I being welcomed to? tell me that first!"). So I'd link both, i.e. "[[Commons:Welcome|Welcome]] to [[Commons:About|Wikimedia Commons]]". Or possibly "[[Commons:Welcome|Welcome]] to [[Commons:Welcome|Wikimedia Commons]]" or even "[[Commons:Welcome|Welcome to Wikimedia Commons]]". [[User:Rd232|Rd232]] ([[User talk:Rd232|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 13:33, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
**:{{ping|DenghiùComm}} What happens if you open the page in a private/incognito window? The image shows with the right rotation for me as well. [[User:ReneeWrites|ReneeWrites]] ([[User talk:ReneeWrites|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:14, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
:It shows the correct alignment, the problem seems to be on your side. [[User:Alexpl|Alexpl]] ([[User talk:Alexpl|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:32, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


== Missing files ==
== Photographers ==


Earlier today (at around 09:30 UTC) there was some temporary global tech issue and many new uploads seems to be [http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NewFiles&from=20110628092953 missing]. I have not encounter such situation before, so just want to ask if it is going to be fixed automatically? --[[User:Bencmq|Ben.MQ]] ([[User talk:Bencmq|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 11:39, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
Some categories for photographers display the Creator template and some do not. Which is the preferred? [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 17:56, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
:Go to the file description page of any missing image and click "purge this page cache". They are there, just not showing up without a purge due to a technical issue. [[User:Dcoetzee|Dcoetzee]] ([[User talk:Dcoetzee|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 12:42, 28 June 2011 (UTC)


: When a photographer does not have Creator-template it likely hasn't been created yet or it hasn't been added to Wikidata (where it should be marked). Also Commons is slow to update the view for recently added entries under categories. [[User:Ipr1|Ipr1]] ([[User talk:Ipr1|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:00, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
== .RM and .MOV ==


== Category:Bain copyright notice and Bettman ==
Hi! I learned that Commons does not accept files with .RM and .MOV
But there are some video files from the NTSB website that are in those formats.
Do I need to convert them, or can there be an exception made?
Thanks
[[User:WhisperToMe|WhisperToMe]] ([[User talk:WhisperToMe|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 17:07, 28 June 2011 (UTC)


:No exceptions is the short answer. Have you seen [[Help:Converting video]] yet?--[[User:P.g.champion|P.g.champion]] ([[User talk:P.g.champion|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 17:22, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
At [[:Category:Bain copyright notice]] Bettman Archive appears as a subcategory, but should not. Can someone see what is causing the inclusion? --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 18:31, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
::I have not seen it yet. I will check it out, and convert the videos. Thank you so much! [[User:WhisperToMe|WhisperToMe]] ([[User talk:WhisperToMe|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 18:39, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
:Someone forgot the colon [https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Bettmann_Archive&diff=prev&oldid=762318764 there]. -- [[User:Asclepias|Asclepias]] ([[User talk:Asclepias|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:44, 23 May 2024 (UTC)


== Italian cultural heritage law application outside Italy ==
== Request help, upload several files from pdf ==


Most of us long believed that the Italian cultural heritage law (a [[COM:NCR|non-copyright restriction]]-related law from 2004) only applies uses within Italy. This is finally untrue: the law has jurisdiction outside Italy as well. It is documented at [[w:en:Vitruvian Man#Legal dispute]] as well as in [https://communia-association.org/2023/03/01/the-vitruvian-man-a-puzzling-case-for-the-public-domain/ this article by Belgium-based COMMUNIA], regarding a successful case against a famous German toy manufacturer. Whether the same applies to the Internet is a gray area, however, but I may feel the Italian courts will abhor American ''lex loci protectionis'' defenses just as they abhored the German toy manufacturer's defense that they are in Germany and are ''not'' subject to the laws of Italy. <span style="font-family:Footlight MT">[[User:JWilz12345|JWilz12345]] <span style="background-color:#68FCF1">(''[[User talk:JWilz12345|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/JWilz12345|Contrib's.]]'')</span></span> 21:39, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
Hi. Can someone help coordinate and get a whole bunch of sign images up that will make our collection better? Would involve extracting them from a pdf and making them individual images (think this is best.)


It appears the German toy manufacturer got an ally from a court in Stuttgart, [https://www.scottishlegal.com/articles/italy-rows-with-german-company-in-puzzling-da-vinci-case which ruled] that the company has the right to reproduce a public domain work, much to the fury of the Italian ministry of culture, which now argues they are prepared to challenge the "abnormal" ruling made by Stuttgart court, even in the European or even the international legal arenas. <span style="font-family:Footlight MT">[[User:JWilz12345|JWilz12345]] <span style="background-color:#68FCF1">(''[[User talk:JWilz12345|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/JWilz12345|Contrib's.]]'')</span></span> 21:59, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
I corresponded with the USG and got an e-mail assurance that all of their DOT symbols are off copyright. Also, he pointed me to this file, when wanting a high res image (sorry, I realize it is not.) [http://phmsa.dot.gov/staticfiles/PHMSA/DownloadableFiles/Files/Hazmat/Training/Chart%2014.pdf]. I can OTRS, although this would really ideally cover a whole set of images, not a specific file right now. So advise me on how to adress the OTRS!
:Links:
:*[https://www.gallerieaccademia.it/sites/default/files/repository/file/2023-02/Ravensburger%20-%20MIC%20e%20Gallerie%20dell%27Accademia%20di%20Venezia%20%E2%80%93%20Tribunale%20di%20Venezia%2C%20R.G.%2053172022%2C%20ordinanza%2017.11.2022_0.pdf Venice], 2022, in Italian
:*[https://openjur.de/u/2486810.html Stuttgart], 2024, in German
:-- [[User:Asclepias|Asclepias]] ([[User talk:Asclepias|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:14, 23 May 2024 (UTC)


:Well, it doesn't affect us unless US law recognizes it, right? We only have to follow US law. We choose to follow non-US law as a courtesy, but if we decide as a community that the law "[[Commons:When to use the PD-Art tag#The position of the WMF|represent(s) an assault on the very concept of a public domain]]", we can feel free to ignore it. -- [[User:King of Hearts|<b style="color:red">King of ♥</b>]][[User talk:King of Hearts|<b style="color:red"> ♦</b>]][[Special:Contributions/King of Hearts|<b style="color:black"> ♣</b>]][[Special:EmailUser/King of Hearts|<b style="color:black"> ♠</b>]] 23:46, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
[[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User talk:TCO|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 22:21, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
::@[[User:King of Hearts|King of Hearts]] that may be, unless either the Italian art gallery sends a cease-and-desist letter to Wikimedia, or if an international court (assuming the Italian officials have already filed complaint on the international stage) ruled that the law of the artwork's country if origin is honored, not the law of the countries of the "infringers" (be it German or U.S. laws). But, yes, it may be a matter for the next generation of editors, as this may become the very first of cases where extraterritoriality of a law is involved and may change the perception of ''lex loci protectonis'' principle. <span style="font-family:Footlight MT">[[User:JWilz12345|JWilz12345]] <span style="background-color:#68FCF1">(''[[User talk:JWilz12345|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/JWilz12345|Contrib's.]]'')</span></span> 00:33, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


::The Italian entities do not target Commons anyway (for now), because their rules target commercial uses (for now). But they might try to target people who reuse Commons files commercially. The saying that we only have to follow US law is used specifically in the context of copyright law (because treaties provide that a website is assumed to be publishing in the country of the servers for matters that relate specifically to copyright, although there are nuances), but not necessarily in the context of other laws. In matters other than copyright, if something published on a website violates a law in a country, the usual rules can apply in that country. The Italian cultural assets code is not based on copyright. (It's doing something with effects similar to copyright without calling it copyright so it circumvents the limits of copyright.) In general, a country's laws must be complied with in that country. What's special is that the Italian entities claim that the Italian cultural assets code applies even to uses occurring entirely outside Italy and that non-Italian courts do not have jurisdiction to decide about it even in their own respective countries. -- [[User:Asclepias|Asclepias]] ([[User talk:Asclepias|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 01:16, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
P.s. I actually have what I need in terms of helping out a specific article (Fluorine on Wiki), so I personally have no need of all these images. Just thought that Commons would be a GREAT place to host them. Surprisingly we have very few of them in commons. See here: [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:US_DOT_hazmat_symbols]. The signes are helpful for element articles or other chemicals articles. Even our chemical and hazard symbols articles themselves on Wiki are pretty pathetic.
:::For mitigation reason, the templates {{tl|Italy-MiBAC-disclaimer}} and {{tl|PD-Italy}} should include a warning (probably a separate box below the relevant box holding the PD text) that states reusers globally should exercise caution when reusing Italian public domain works if those works are works of art and architecture, due to the cultural heritage laws of the country, and with link to [[COM:General disclaimer]]. Note that due to the situation, the scope of the warning should be international and not confined to the Italian reusers. And ICYMI, '''Getty Images''' might be the first of U.S.-hosted media repository sites to be targeted by the expanding Cultural Heritage Code: read [https://petapixel.com/2024/02/01/italian-court-orders-getty-images-to-remove-photos-of-michelangelos-david/ here]. The impacted work is the famous Statue of David by Michelangelo in Firenze/Florence, and the Florentine court is ordering the Italian-language edition of Getty Images to take down all images of the statue, using the Cultural Heritage Code as the basis. <span style="font-family:Footlight MT">[[User:JWilz12345|JWilz12345]] <span style="background-color:#68FCF1">(''[[User talk:JWilz12345|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/JWilz12345|Contrib's.]]'')</span></span> 05:08, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
::::If they are really enforcing this I this this will soon go to the European Court of Justice and I do not think that this rule complies with the copyright directive. [[User:GPSLeo|GPSLeo]] ([[User talk:GPSLeo|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 05:27, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
::::That is hubris on the part of the Florentine court. &nbsp; — 🇺🇦<span style="font-size:115%;background:#FFA">[[User:Jeff G.|Jeff G.]]</span> ツ<small> please [[Template:Ping|ping]] or [[User:Jeff G./talk|talk to me]]</small>🇺🇦 08:38, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


[[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User talk:TCO|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 22:21, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
::::@JWilz12345: The MiBAC-disclaimer template is already the warning made for that. The scope of the PD-Italy template is to describe the copyright status in Italy. Adding text about something else would be confusing. -- [[User:Asclepias|Asclepias]] ([[User talk:Asclepias|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:22, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


::::The two Florence cases seem to be about the validity and the application of the Italian code within Italy. In that sense, they are not really out of the ordinary. The Da Vinci cases are those where the Italian ministry of Culture claimed to rule what is done in the entire world. -- [[User:Asclepias|Asclepias]] ([[User talk:Asclepias|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:41, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
:If this is of any help, I use [http://www.nitroreader.com/ Nitro PDF reader] to extract images from PDF files.--[[User:Darwinius|<font color="#4153A0" face="Century Gothic" size="2">- '''Darwin'''</font>]] [[User talk:Darwinius|<font color="#4153A0"><sup>Ahoy!</sup></font>]] 22:33, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
::::I wonder what they would have to say about 3D reproductions of the famous Statue of David by Michelangelo in Firenze/Florence (and other Italian statues) that Caesar's Entertainment has put up in it's hotels and casinos. &nbsp; — 🇺🇦<span style="font-size:115%;background:#FFA">[[User:Jeff G.|Jeff G.]]</span> ツ<small> please [[Template:Ping|ping]] or [[User:Jeff G./talk|talk to me]]</small>🇺🇦 12:45, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


:The German publisher disagreed with the Italian court ruling that said they were not allowed to use this Leonardo drawing in a commercial way, both in Italy as well as abroad. So the publisher pre-emptively went to a German court to get a ruling in their favor. The German court then ruled that Italian laws only apply in Italy, but not in other nations like Germany. So while some Italian authorities seem to think Italian laws give them some worldwide authority in these matters, so far no court outside of Italy has agreed with that. --[[User:Rosenzweig|<span style="color:#0000CD">Rosenzweig</span>]] [[User talk:Rosenzweig|<span style="color:#8D38C9">'''''τ'''''</span>]] 13:37, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
::Will you do the work? I am really sort of an image idiot. I kind of tromp around and upload stuff at times, but am not a wiki veteran. ;-) [[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User talk:TCO|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 23:03, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
::<small>I note that they went to Stuttgart, not Köln. ;) -- [[User:Asclepias|Asclepias]] ([[User talk:Asclepias|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:16, 24 May 2024 (UTC)</small>
:::I can't compromise with that, sorry. I'm already in the middle of a thousand projects here, many of them already severely delayed. :\ --[[User:Darwinius|<font color="#4153A0" face="Century Gothic" size="2">- '''Darwin'''</font>]] [[User talk:Darwinius|<font color="#4153A0"><sup>Ahoy!</sup></font>]] 23:16, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
:::Not surprising, the publisher is based close to Stuttgart, and unlike the press or Internet cases this is about a (possible) civil lawsuit, for which Stuttgart would be the venue. --[[User:Rosenzweig|<span style="color:#0000CD">Rosenzweig</span>]] [[User talk:Rosenzweig|<span style="color:#8D38C9">'''''τ'''''</span>]] 14:33, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Rosenzweig|Rosenzweig]] still, like [[w:en:Teleserye|a typical Filipino TV drama series]] stereotype, the Italian authorities-made legal drama isn't yet over, as they are pondering to contest German court ruling either in a European or international venue or court. At least, the German court ruling has given a hard slap to the faces of the Italian cultural authorities seeking to privatize anything in public domain, and concerned free culture advocates, like several Wikimedians, should remain vigilant and continue to counter the cultural heritage restrictions. <span style="font-family:Footlight MT">[[User:JWilz12345|JWilz12345]] <span style="background-color:#68FCF1">(''[[User talk:JWilz12345|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/JWilz12345|Contrib's.]]'')</span></span> 14:27, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
:::No, it most likely isn't over. Italian authorities apparently like drama. --[[User:Rosenzweig|<span style="color:#0000CD">Rosenzweig</span>]] [[User talk:Rosenzweig|<span style="color:#8D38C9">'''''τ'''''</span>]] 14:33, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


::::Ha! I'm downloading it now. I really don't think I'm good at this sort of thing though. Is there a way to batch upload all the images and not do the one by one thing? And I only know how to use the old upload form, btw.[[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User talk:TCO|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 23:26, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
:I like a comment in the page linked above: ''Next thing Egypt will be demanding licensing fees for photos of the pyramids.'' I bet this to backfire in a big way if they try to enforce it worldwide, like a [[:en:Streisand effect|Streisand effect]]. [[User:Yann|Yann]] ([[User talk:Yann|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:40, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
:::::Yes, you can use [[Commons:Tools/Commonist|Commonist]] for that and upload all them at once. The new Upload Wizard allows for 10 uploads at a time, but Commonist is much better IMO.--[[User:Darwinius|<font color="#4153A0" face="Century Gothic" size="2">- '''Darwin'''</font>]] [[User talk:Darwinius|<font color="#4153A0"><sup>Ahoy!</sup></font>]] 23:36, 28 June 2011 (UTC)


= May 24 =
::::::Cutting and pasting and putting into Paint was how I did it before. I actually still need to learn how to use the Nitro, the new upload, and now this program. :( [[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User talk:TCO|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 23:42, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::::They are both very easy to use, especially the Nitro. You only have to click a button, actually. :) --[[User:Darwinius|<font color="#4153A0" face="Century Gothic" size="2">- '''Darwin'''</font>]] [[User talk:Darwinius|<font color="#4153A0"><sup>Ahoy!</sup></font>]] 00:05, 29 June 2011 (UTC)


== [[:Category:Steamboat Willie]] ==
I played with the Nitro a little. Tried the extract images. However more than half the signs are not images somehow. So I still have to do the select individually and transfer to MS Paint, no? (which I can do in Adobe anyhow, no?_ And then some stuff was not really images. You know what...I will try. I just feel like this is so hard. And then...all the instructions for the communist program. I'm an article person. :-( Do you really want me to learn how to do this?[[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User talk:TCO|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 00:35, 29 June 2011 (UTC)


:OK...I'm doing the cut and pastes and saves through MS Paint. Is png better or jpeg? [[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User talk:TCO|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 00:50, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
I feel like the category have been falling victim to overcategorization. Any suggestions?--[[User:Trade|Trade]] ([[User talk:Trade|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:47, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
::Please don't take screenshots to extract images from PDFs if you can avoid it. If you must, zoom in on the image as far as you can before screenshotting, and save as PNG. [[User:Dcoetzee|Dcoetzee]] ([[User talk:Dcoetzee|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 01:05, 29 June 2011 (UTC)


:Wow, you weren't kidding. This is wildly excessive. Cross-cutting categories like [[:Category:Steamboat Willie artworks by language by type]] are completely unnecessary, especially when there's only a few "artworks" being categorized; all these categories are doing is making files harder to find.
:::Well I'm just using that select button (that kind of gives you a square and then it takes it to the clipboard). then I take that to MS Paint and then save as PNG. Just hitting extract all images, really didn't work since a lot did not come over and I got things I didn't want (not signs) also. Am I doing it right?
:Most of this system of subcategories was created by an IP editor about two weeks ago; this isn't a long-standing situation. I'll see what I can do to start getting this cleaned up. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:41, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
::Most of the Scooby Doo and Space Jam categories suffers from similar issues. [[User:Trade|Trade]] ([[User talk:Trade|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:58, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
:::All from the same user. If we just delete all the categories this one guy made it solves every problem at once. [[User:ReneeWrites|ReneeWrites]] ([[User talk:ReneeWrites|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:02, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
::::Right, this user edited via {{ip|2001:8003:DD56:5500:A199:3CE6:9012:1D9A}}, and then other addresses within {{ip|2001:8003:DD56:5500::/64}}. It is a part of the problematic {{ip|2001:8003:C000::/35}}, as well as the problematic {{ip|2001:8000::/19}}. {{Pinging|Graham87|Albertoleoncio}}, who blocked them on other projects, for input. &nbsp; — 🇺🇦<span style="font-size:115%;background:#FFA">[[User:Jeff G.|Jeff G.]]</span> ツ<small> please [[Template:Ping|ping]] or [[User:Jeff G./talk|talk to me]]</small>🇺🇦 22:34, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


= May 25 =
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We have some of them in [[:Category:US DOT hazmat symbols]]... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] ([[User talk:AnonMoos|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 03:34, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

=June 29=
== Voting on policies and guidelines ==

Setting aside questions about procedure, are anonymous votes on the adoption of policies and guidelines counted?[http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk%3ACriteria_for_speedy_deletion&action=historysubmit&diff=55839121&oldid=55839065] We don't count anonymous votes on [[COM:RFA]] and [[COM:FPC]]. I don't think anonymous votes on the adoption of policies and guidelines should be counted, but I couldn't find guidance to that effect. --[[User:Wsiegmund|Walter Siegmund]] [[User_talk:Wsiegmund|(talk)]] 17:47, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

:[[:en:Wikipedia:Polling is not a substitute for discussion|Policies and guidelines should not be decided by counting votes]] – anonymous or otherwise. Anonymous contributors are certainly welcome to discuss existing and proposed policies and guidelines. ''—[[User:LX|LX]] ([[User_talk:LX|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/LX|contribs]])'' 18:11, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

== FOP of aircraft factory in France for EN:WP Featured Article in Candidacy ==

''Moved to [[Commons talk:Freedom of panorama]]''

== File not found in listed categories ==

A user recently added three categories to [[:File:Siitolanranta talvella.JPG]], but the file is not found in any of them: [[:Category:Winter in Finland]], [[:Category:Trees in winter]] or [[:Category:December 2010 in Finland]]. Only the [[:Category:Imatra]] where the file was already previously shows this image. Does anyone know if this is caching problem, or what? Bypassing browswer cache did not help me (even tried with a different browser). [[User:MKFI|MKFI]] ([[User talk:MKFI|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 18:14, 29 June 2011 (UTC) 19:25, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
*Looks like a database hiccup. A null edit fixed the problem. -[[User:Nard the Bard|Nard]] <font color="red">([[User talk:Nard the Bard|Hablemonos]])</font><font color="mediumslateblue">([[User talk:Nard the Bard|Let's talk]])</font> 21:14, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

== Hypercategorizing ! ==

(fr) Bonjour, (be) une fois !

Some Users, here, are moving Coats of arms Files to – they say – ''better'' categories, e. g. [http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3AObec_Klenov_erb_98px.png&action=historysubmit&diff=53890387&oldid=50532087 here], creating subcategories for each village, « Category:Coats of arms of ''placename'' ».

As a village – even a city – has one and only one Crest, there is no need to such hypercategorization ! (This prefix, « hyper- », means that an action ''seems'' to be better, but is in fact wrong ; e. g. « hyperurbanism », when Late Romans spoke a bad Latin – Urbs ! – they thought correct because of its sophistication…) If a town has in its story more than one CoA, we may therefore create such categories ; but [[:Category:Coats of arms of Klenov|this one]] ?… [[: Category :Coats of arms of Rakovčík|here]] ?… Etc.

[[User:Budelberger|Budelberger]] ([[User talk:Budelberger|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 17:53, 29 June 2011 (UTC).
:(Moved here from talk.) &mdash;[[User:Innotata|''innotata'']] 18:14, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

::Well, it could be for having multiple images of the same thing. -''[[User:Mattbuck|mattbuck]]'' <small>([[User talk:Mattbuck|Talk]])</small> 18:21, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

:"has one and only one Crest" - why so? Sure, ''today'' it has one official blazon and (presume) one official graphics, but there could be historical versions; there could be COAs per se and photographs of COA in sculpture, murals etc. Even Klenov already has ''three'' files, then what about [[:Category:Coats of arms of the City of London Corporation]] ? [[User:NVO|NVO]] ([[User talk:NVO|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 18:35, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

:Both approaches, the one complaining about hypercategorization, and the ones explaining the need for subcategories, are pertinent. There has to be some good sense on this, however. I've seen such categories being created with only one item inside. In my opinion this is unnecessary and counter productive. Those items can perfectly be in the village category and in "CoA of municipalities of ...", no need to create a proper category there. However, in the cases where multiple representations of that coat of arms (or historical versions of it) exist here in Commons it is indeed helpful to create a subcategory, or even a number of them, to place them.--[[User:Darwinius|<font color="#4153A0" face="Century Gothic" size="2">- '''Darwin'''</font>]] [[User talk:Darwinius|<font color="#4153A0"><sup>Ahoy!</sup></font>]] 20:39, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

::I often try to sort out stuff from [[:Category:Media needing categories]] and use hot cat. If I find a file called coat of arms of x, then I try to add it to the [[:Category:coat of arms of x]]. If this fails to come up in HotCat then I might have a fiddle looking for alternate spellings of x, and then when this fails I just add the file to [[:Category:coat of arms of country y]]. My geographic skills are not good enough to be able to work out which subdivision of country y to add the file to. The choice is to put up with files getting into the higher categories and having to be moved down, or having categories at the lowest level. I would expect there are very few subjects where you would expect only one file, so creating the category now with the correct name and position in the hierarchy for single files will reap future benefits. [[User:Railwayfan2005|Railwayfan2005]] ([[User talk:Railwayfan2005|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 21:31, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
:::No, frankly I don't think that way. There are hundreds of thousands of CoA of villages and other locations. Creating categories for single items in that case is really unhelpful, and hinders categorization, since you have to fiddle with the whole category instead of a single file, which is much more difficult and can't be done by tools like cat-a-lot. It's really counter-productive. In the case you mention, IMO the CoA should be placed primarily in the village category, which is where it will be searched for. Then you may place it as well somewhere in the CoA tree, even if it is at the top category it is useful, but creating a category for those single items in that case is indeed bad practice, IMO.--[[User:Darwinius|<font color="#4153A0" face="Century Gothic" size="2">- '''Darwin'''</font>]] [[User talk:Darwinius|<font color="#4153A0"><sup>Ahoy!</sup></font>]] 22:09, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

'''Part of the problem'''. I have brought this up in the past as an article writer, Commons USER. What we need is some "botton" that you click and then all the subordinate categories are displayed. It's insane that when I'm looking for some type of animal and there are 10 pics at the higher level, but in 5 categories, to have to click, click, click, each separate one. give me a button that allows auto decategorizing and much of the pain is taken away.[[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User talk:TCO|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 20:24, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

:It depends on the case. A while ago I organized [[:Category:Hindu temples in Bhubaneswar]], which was a complete mess, with only the Lingaraj temple as subcat (with a lot of erroneous pictures inside) and the rest floating in the main cat, the majority of the pictures attributed to the wrong temple and erroneously used in wiki-en. Upon finding a reliable database of photos from those temples, I endeavoured the sorting of that mess, and managed to find the rich variety of temples you can now find there. I can say it was a very rewarding and amusing experience, almost a game. You will note that some of the temples only have one picture inside. I've done this on purpose, since they are less known temples, and it's identification was more difficult. Of course you lost there the "big picture" about the assortment of Hindu temples in Bhubaneswar, but I believe that's not the use of categories, but galleries. I'm not interested in galleries and I doubt I ever will be, but people who find them useful may create them picking the images from the sorted categories in order to give the "big picture" about some item, let it be an animal or the variety of Hindu temples in Bhubaneswar.--[[User:Darwinius|<font color="#4153A0" face="Century Gothic" size="2">- '''Darwin'''</font>]] [[User talk:Darwinius|<font color="#4153A0"><sup>Ahoy!</sup></font>]] 20:51, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

:You'll have a button if you place {{tl|category tree}} in the content for the category itself. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 03:40, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
:::{{tl|Category tree}} is now redundant because the software now automatically displays all the subcategories of a particular category on one page. — Cheers, [[User:Jacklee|<span style="color:#CE2029">Jack</span><span style="color:#800000">'''Lee'''</span>]] <sup>–[[User talk:Jacklee|talk]]–</sup> 06:47, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

::I suspect TOC may be asking for something that also allows to see all the images in the subcategories. That would be a great improvement for me, too.--[[User:Darwinius|<font color="#4153A0" face="Century Gothic" size="2">- '''Darwin'''</font>]] [[User talk:Darwinius|<font color="#4153A0"><sup>Ahoy!</sup></font>]] 05:02, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

:::Cat Scan allows you to see all the images subcategories, an example of the images in [[:Category:Hindu temples in Bhubaneswar]] and subcategories: [http://toolserver.org/~daniel/WikiSense/CategoryIntersect.php?wikifam=commons.wikimedia.org&basecat=Hindu_temples_in_Bhubaneswar&basedeep=3&mode=iul&go=Scan&format=html&userlang=en]. [[User:MKFI|MKFI]] ([[User talk:MKFI|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 18:00, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

::::(you're not getting me.) I know that I can see the subcats. What I want is a reversible mechanism to view the larger population of images. Am trying to save myself clicks. Imagine having a category of "painted turtle" with 2 images in the category and then 4 subcategories for subspecies (each containing subspecies). If I just want a general picture of a painted turtle I have to click all the subcategories. I would like a button to just be able to expand the view all at once, to see all the images in subcats and the parent cat. I'm not saying to permanently scrap the micro-cats. They can have use. However, I really do USE COMMONS. And it is a better resource for me...for article WRITERS, with some better features around search and layout. Don't get me wrong, this is a great place. Still...be very aware that this place is mostly a service resource for other people...and the easier for USERS, not just uploaders, the better. :-) [[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User talk:TCO|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 17:03, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

:::::MKFI just showed above how you can do it. Follow his link, and you'll get the idea.--[[User:Darwinius|<font color="#4153A0" face="Century Gothic" size="2">- '''Darwin'''</font>]] [[User talk:Darwinius|<font color="#4153A0"><sup>Ahoy!</sup></font>]] 18:06, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

::::::Didn't mean to shake my rattle. I do appreciate the assist and may use that tool in the future. That said, I really think something simpler, where you can just click on the page and it expands the views down a branch lower (or all the way) is desired. that's a pretty daunting looking window. Realize that the most usage of Commons is writers looking for photos to illustrate Wiki articles, not computer programmers. :-) [[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User talk:TCO|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 21:26, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
:::::::''[...] most usage of Commons is writers looking for photos to illustrate Wiki articles, not computer programmers.''
:::::::TCO, have you tried to use the [[w:Wikipedia:Enable_the_Add_Media_Wizard#Add_Media_Wizard|Add Media Wizard]] for that? Take a look on [[mw:File:Add media wizard screen shot orange oct 2009.jpg|this screenshot]] ;-) [[b:pt:User:Helder.wiki|Helder]] 21:50, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

== Why should I open license my pictures? ==

No, not me! However, I'm sure we've all come across that response, when suggesting that someone might donate images to Commons (and the related "if someone wants to use my images commercially, they should pay me!"). And we all, I hope, know good answers. But has anyone compiled them, as a FAQ or blog post (here or elsewhere) to which we can point people? I can't see anything on [[Commons:Welcome]] or [[Commons:FAQ]]. [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] ([[User talk:Pigsonthewing|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 20:15, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
:We do, at [[Commons:Licensing/Justifications]]. [[User:Dcoetzee|Dcoetzee]] ([[User talk:Dcoetzee|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 20:49, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
::Just upload an ugly picture of them to Commons and tell them if they want a nice one they have to open license it. That argument usually works. -[[User:Nard the Bard|Nard]] <font color="red">([[User talk:Nard the Bard|Hablemonos]])</font><font color="mediumslateblue">([[User talk:Nard the Bard|Let's talk]])</font> 21:10, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

I do think a good essay could be written on this. I don't have it all figured out, but have learned some things, the hard way. For one thing, just using the Wiki "standard request" generally leads to problems with the OTRS not satisfied that the releaser understands the donations is to Creative Commons (very "free"). I try to spell it out ahead of time and actually get them to give me a repeat back that satisfies the rights po-lice. I also usually say something complementary about their image or work in general. Maybe a phrase or sentence on how the thing is going to be used (the article, but have to be clear that it's not a one time donation). [[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User talk:TCO|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 17:13, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

=June 30=

== 3-d files/formats ==

hello;

possibly a stupid/obvious question (& likely one that has been asked previously), but do we have ANY provisions @ commons for 3d media files?

like CAD, or etc...

such files are useful "onscreen" already, BUT in the "now-to-future" ''3d-printable "images"'' are going to become increasingly important.

[[User:Lx 121|Lx 121]] ([[User talk:Lx 121|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 06:40, 30 June 2011 (UTC)


:Previous discussion at [[Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2009/05#Other_types_of_media:_three_dimensional_objects_and_videos.3F]] -- [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] ([[User talk:AnonMoos|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 09:21, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

== 2 fat people picture ==

I saw two of the same image:
{|align=center
|[[File:Italienischer Maler des 17. Jahrhunderts 001.jpg|thumb|center]]|||[[File:Charles Mellin (attributed) - Portrait of a Gentleman - Google Art Project.jpg|thumb|center]]
|}
{{clear}}
because both these images were the same topic, there's no point to be maintained one of them. If I select the image that is left to be deleted because it looks stain brush / dust. --[[User:Erik Evrest|Erik Evrest]] ([[User talk:Erik Evrest|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 06:52, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

:I think it is best to keep both images in such instances. The left image is indeed enhanced from a scan with too low a contrast; nonetheless, it might have useful information. Also keep in mind that the Commons PD-Art licensing decision is one which may be prone to legal oppression - I would feel more comfortable keeping duplicate images so that in case one of them eventually falls to a "sweat of the brow" argument, the other might be spared. [[User:Wnt|Wnt]] ([[User talk:Wnt|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 06:57, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

::agree with the above opinion; they are not EXACT duplicates. also; the one file is 56 kb & the other is 14.17 megs! commons is meant as a ''media repository'', we don't just collect "one of everything", & it's useful to have at least ''some variety'' in file sizes...

::i do appreciate the good-faith efforts of the user in raising the queation, however

::[[User:Lx 121|Lx 121]] ([[User talk:Lx 121|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 07:04, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
:::What everyone here failed to notice is the unfortunate fact that the original Yorck Project image was replaced by [[User:Shakko]] with a much lower-resolution and lower-quality image in 2009, with no update to the source metadata. I've reverted to the Yorck image, and warned Shakko. (So there are actually 3 versions here.) This is nothing in comparison to the number of versions of ''The Birth of Venus'' or ''The Mona Lisa'' we have (see [[:Category:The Birth of Venus]], [[:Category:Mona Lisa]]). [[User:Dcoetzee|Dcoetzee]] ([[User talk:Dcoetzee|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 12:44, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

== A new, open, Flickr Alternative? ==

This seems like it'll be worth watching out for: http://www.petapixel.com/2011/06/29/yahoo-engineer-leaves-to-build-an-open-flickr-alternative/

[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] ([[User talk:Pigsonthewing|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 09:25, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

:MediaGoblin looks promising as well. [http://mediagoblin.org/index.html http://mediagoblin.org/index.html] --[[User:P.g.champion|P.g.champion]] ([[User talk:P.g.champion|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 11:15, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

== PPT Files ==

Hi! .PPT files are not accepted by the Commons
Well, the NTSB website has some PD PPT presentations: http://web.archive.org/web/20090228182953/http://ntsb.gov/Events/2000/Aka261/presentations/presentations.htm
What format should PPT files be converted into?
[[User:WhisperToMe|WhisperToMe]] ([[User talk:WhisperToMe|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 19:07, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
:[[:Category:PDF|PDF]]. PowerPoint has a Save as PDF feature that can accomplish this reasonably well. [[User:Dcoetzee|Dcoetzee]] ([[User talk:Dcoetzee|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 20:56, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
::Thank you so much! I just created the PDF files! [[User:WhisperToMe|WhisperToMe]] ([[User talk:WhisperToMe|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 02:46, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

== Call for image filter referendum ==

The Wikimedia Foundation, at the direction of the Board of Trustees, will be holding a vote to determine whether members of the community support the creation and usage of an opt-in personal image filter, which would allow readers to voluntarily screen particular types of images strictly for their own account.

Further details and educational materials will be available shortly. The referendum is scheduled for 12-27 August, 2011, and will be conducted on servers hosted by a neutral third party. Referendum details, officials, voting requirements, and supporting materials will be posted at [[m:Image filter referendum]] shortly.

For the coordinating committee,<br />
[[w:User:Philippe (WMF)|Philippe]]<br />
[[w:User:Cbrown1023|Cbrown1023]]<br/>
[[w:User:Risker|Risker]]</br>
[[w:User:Mardetanha|Mardetanha]]<br/>
[[w:User:PeterSymonds|PeterSymonds]]<br/>
[[w:User:Robertmharris|Robert Harris]]

<small>Cross posted by -- [[User:DeltaQuad|<font color="green">DQ]][[User_Talk:DeltaQuad|<font color="red"> (t) ]] <font color="blue">[[Special:EmailUser/DeltaQuad| (e)]]</font></font></font> 21:46, 30 June 2011 (UTC)</small>

:I've commented on this before, but will repeat: I think it would be more generally beneficial to allow users a setting to override page settings about the size of thumbnails, so that, for example, you could decide for all thumbnails to be shown at 30-pixel resolution (and perhaps all images to be shown as thumbnails) regardless of the Wiki code. This would help low-bandwidth users as well as those with specific objections. My hope is that at some low resolution - 20 pixels if need be - there is simply no picture that will be viewed as intensely objectionable. I wish your referendum would investigate in this direction rather than pressing for people to "neutrally" place ideological ratings on specific images. [[User:Wnt|Wnt]] ([[User talk:Wnt|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 23:56, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
::As you're probably aware, there is already a per-user preference for logged-in users (see "Thumbnail size" under Special:Preferences/Appearance/Files), for cases where "thumb" is specified for an image but no image size is given. The list of values is limited [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgThumbLimits by MediaWiki]. We could probably file a bug to ask for the ability for the user setting to override cases where image size is given, but I suspect there's good reason it's done that way, and anyway it would probably take ages for anything to happen. Plus, per {{Bugzilla|1340}}, gallery thumb sizes are still handled separately ({{bugzilla|3276}} made the width of the ''gallery'' adapt to the user's screen). Finally, I doubt reducing ''all'' images to "can't tell what it is" size is much of a solution for most people who want some control over hiding certain types of image. [[User:Rd232|Rd232]] ([[User talk:Rd232|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 08:05, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
:I assume filters would rely on proper tagging of those "particular types of images". I wonder whose job that will be. Also does anybody know what "particular types of images" are we talking about? I assume nudity, but what else? [[:Category:Corpses|Grisly corpses]], [[:Category:Executions|executions]], [[:Category:Depictions of Muhammad|Depictions of Muhammad]], [[:Category:LGBT|LGBT]], [[:Category:Adult diapers|Adult diapers]], [[:Category:Kittens|Kittens]]? It seems to me there is a lot of "particular types" of images that can be offensive. --[[User:Jarekt|Jarekt]] ([[User talk:Jarekt|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 13:11, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

::Must not forget about alcohol, hate/discrimination, mutilation/torture, weapons, [[:de:Jugendmedienschutz-Staatsvertrag|German youth protection]], health/medical, drugs, gambling, lingerie/bikini, religious, sexuality, and tobacco related images. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 14:21, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

:::A warning for you all, do not simply add "Category:Sex" to it, because you will censor every picture of anything which is identifiably male, female or other, and 10,000,000 old paintings. -''[[User:Mattbuck|mattbuck]]'' <small>([[User talk:Mattbuck|Talk]])</small> 16:15, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
::::The upload bots might add the words sex, porno, paedophilia, ... in a random combination and languages to all uploaded files. Then they will need real intelligence to filter. --[[User:Foroa|Foroa]] ([[User talk:Foroa|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 21:08, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
:::::Bots are the least evil; I'm more concerned about a new generation of POV-warring slapping porn tags on opponents' images. [[User:NVO|NVO]] ([[User talk:NVO|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 06:36, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
::::::At least categories would be put to some use. I think we should make that to work on Commons too. -- [[User talk:Docu|<span style="font-size:80%;border:#000 solid 1px;padding:0"><span style="margin:0;color:#CE2029">&nbsp;Docu&nbsp;</span></span>]] <span style="font-size:75%">at</span> 06:57, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

=July 1=
== Deleted Joplin tornado map (posted by US Army Corps of Engineers) ==

I had a map of the 2011 Joplin tornado which the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers had posted to its flickr account deleted at 9:06 today. Unfortunately the corps flickr account photo says "All Rights Reserved" http://www.flickr.com/photos/55127822@N07/5887813113 But it is definitely a U.S. government creation (which is also mentioned in its caption) and thus cannot be copyrighted. Flickr is the source for official government photos from the corps released at http://www.nwk.usace.army.mil/Flood/index.cfm (much as the White House releases its photos via Flickr). Therefore I am asking that it be restored. Thank you.[[User:Americasroof|Americasroof]] ([[User talk:Americasroof|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 13:21, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

:This apparently refers to [[:File:Joplin-tornado-map.jpg]], which was later determined to be public domain by Túrelio and Lymantria and thus restored. Good response. <span style="white-space:nowrap; text-shadow:gray 5px 3px 1px;">— [[User:Huntster|Huntster]] <small>([[User talk:Huntster|t]] [[Special:Emailuser/Huntster|@]] [[Special:Contributions/Huntster|c]])</small></span> 21:57, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

::Thank you so much for the quick turnaround. It's confusing since the Corps has placed the wrong license it. I will discuss it with them.[[User:Americasroof|Americasroof]] ([[User talk:Americasroof|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 00:58, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

== Flickr2Commons down? ==

I haven't been able to make uploads using it yesterday PM & this AM (July 1). Have others noticed problems? TIA, [[User:Tillman|Tillman]] ([[User talk:Tillman|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 14:25, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
:When I've entered a second file after uploading one I've needed to submit the link and name twice, which wasn't the case previously, but that's all. Just used it to upload [[:File:Passer montanus -Queenstown, Singapore.jpg]]. &mdash;[[User:Innotata|''innotata'']] 14:46, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
::The F2Com button hasn't shown up on flickr images for me for 4 to 6 months. [[User:Geo Swan|Geo Swan]] ([[User talk:Geo Swan|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 20:51, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

*It's apparently an oddball file, as Bryan's Flickr bot wouldn't upload it either. I'll just have to do it manually. I've since uploaded a couple other files with Flickr2Commons, so that isn't the problem. The file in question is http://www.flickr.com/photos/24662369@N07/5884821475, if anyone's curious. Thanks, [[User:Tillman|Tillman]] ([[User talk:Tillman|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 17:44, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
:It has been uploaded as "[[:File:Central peak complex of crater Tycho on the Moon - 20110610.jpg]]" by [[User:Pline|Pline]]. I don't know if this is the problem, but sometimes if there is HTML in the EXIF, Commons will regard the file as defective and refuse to allow it to be uploaded. The solution is to download the file from the source and remove the offending HTML using a program like GeoSetter before uploading it to the Commons. — Cheers, [[User:Jacklee|<span style="color:#CE2029">Jack</span><span style="color:#800000">'''Lee'''</span>]] <sup>–[[User talk:Jacklee|talk]]–</sup> 18:43, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

=July 2=

== I need some definitions ==

# What is a talk page? is it the same as a discussion page?
# What is a user page?
# How and where do I install my Babel sign? {{Unsigned|1=Mumbo-jumbophobe|2=21:55, 1 July 2011|3=}}

:#Yes, "talk page" is just another term for "discussion page"; for example, your own talk page at [[User talk:Mumbo-jumbophobe]]. See [[Commons:Talk page guidelines]] for some more information on them.
:#A user page is where you can include brief information about yourself, links to tools you use often, etc. See my user page at [[User:Huntster]] for an example. You can create your own user page by clicking [[User:Mumbo-jumbophobe|here]].
:#Again, look at my user page for a working example...it's on the right hand side. In the code, it's the line that starts with <nowiki>{{babel|</nowiki>. You can find additional information at [[Commons:Babel]].
:#For future reference, please remember to sign your posts with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>), which will automatically expand into a full signature. <span style="white-space:nowrap; text-shadow:gray 5px 3px 1px;">— [[User:Huntster|Huntster]] <small>([[User talk:Huntster|t]] [[Special:Emailuser/Huntster|@]] [[Special:Contributions/Huntster|c]])</small></span> 03:34, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

== How do you rename (move) a category? ==

I can't find any info on how to do this. Sounds like a frequently asked question to me, should be in help. [[User:Palosirkka|Palosirkka]] ([[User talk:Palosirkka|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 10:58, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
:You mean [[Commons:Rename a category]]? It's linked from [[Commons:Categories]]. [[User:LtPowers|Powers]] ([[User talk:LtPowers|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 12:05, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

== Deconsecrated churches categories or similar? ==

Hi to all: I'm working on church categories in Italy, for a better and multi-subcategorized categories (for diocese and patron saint), and I find a lot of deconsecrated churches (but not only in Italy) I think be worth in this different category. However many now laical buildings are categorized in [[:Category:Secularized churches]]. Is only a problem of linguistic shades from italian? What the better word in english?--[[User:Threecharlie|Threecharlie]] ([[User talk:Threecharlie|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 12:45, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
:In additoin we have cats Former churches (sort of mother cat) and Abandoned churches. --[[User:Túrelio|Túrelio]] ([[User talk:Túrelio|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 12:50, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

:Hmm.. There ''is'' a difference between deconsecrated churches and secularized churches. The later implies that they were reused in some secular function (like a disco, or a shop, or whatever), and should be a subcat of deconsecrated churches.--[[User:Darwinius|<font color="#4153A0" face="Century Gothic" size="2">- '''Darwin'''</font>]] [[User talk:Darwinius|<font color="#4153A0"><sup>Ahoy!</sup></font>]] 06:08, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
::I can see the distinction between "abandoned" and "reused", however, they often come together ("abandoned and later reused" or "reused and then abandoned"). Which one should prevail? And then, all too often, there's no <easily available> records. We know that it stood abandoned for the last hundred years, but how did it happen, precisely? So the editors are left to decide on their own, and similar cases will end up here or there based on each editor's own judgement. There already is a multiple-choice riddle about ruins ([[:Category:Ruins|Ruins]], [[:Category:Abandoned buildings|Abandoned]], [[:Category:Derelict buildings|Derelict]]) already, no need to reproduce more ambiguities. [[User:NVO|NVO]] ([[User talk:NVO|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 07:54, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
::: I would presume 'abandoned' should be a subcat of 'former', and would specifically mean that it is not currently in use. But, yes, I can see that it would be a problem for categorizing a church (rather than a photo) over time. I would tend to use 'abandoned' more on individual photos. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ! [[User talk:Jmabel|talk]] 16:31, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

== [[Commons talk:Tools/Commonist]] ==

We need to host Commonist on Toolserv. Can anybody make this happen? --[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]] <sup>[[User_talk:Piotrus|Talk]]</sup> 21:10, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
=July 3=

== Replaced images doesn't refresh - Purge doesn't help ==

..this problem seems ubiquitous. I really wonder if the admins are aware of these problems and if someone is working on it. --[[User:Alexrk2|Alexrk2]] ([[User talk:Alexrk2|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 09:41, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
:Yes, I have noticed that too. [[User:Yann|Yann]] ([[User talk:Yann|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 09:44, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
:Of course Commons' admins are well aware of this problem. But we have no means to do anything about it, beyond soothing angry uploaders/users and filing Bug reports. --[[User:Túrelio|Túrelio]] ([[User talk:Túrelio|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 10:24, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
::Please all complain, add notes and vote at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28613 . [[User:Multichill|Multichill]] ([[User talk:Multichill|talk]]) 10:45, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
:::Tnx, voted.. seems like this could take some time to resolve. Maybe it would be nice to place a hint on Commons so users don't get frustrated. --[[User:Alexrk2|Alexrk2]] ([[User talk:Alexrk2|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 10:56, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
::::So nice to find out that I'm not the only idiot in the neighbourhood... Just wasted half an hour to try to understand what I did wrong... Ha ha ! It was not my fault. But the problem remains. Indeed, placing a hint somewhere (if possible, somewhere one could notice it) ''might'' be a good idea... In the meantime, I'll try voting, in case it would help anyhow... [[User:Oblomov2|Oblomov2]] ([[User talk:Oblomov2|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 13:35, 3 July 2011 (UTC) (Oh no, I have to create a Bugzilla account or whatever and this will probably make me lose some more hours, I give up). [[User:Oblomov2|Oblomov2]] ([[User talk:Oblomov2|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 13:38, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

== Bug: EoMagicalConversion ==

I've deactivated this Gadget because it converts some word (which I do not typing), after I saving a page. Example Linux get Linŭ. Can someone reproduce this (FF, Chrome12 tested)? --[[user talk:perhelion|<span style="white-space:nowrap;font:bold .8em serif;text-shadow:#400 0 0 2px,gold 1px 1px 2px;color:#fee"> <s>«( P E R H E L I O N )»<sub>*</sub></s> </span>]] 15:56, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
:I can't believe this is a feature, all letters before x get converted?! --&nbsp;[[user talk:perhelion|<span style="white-space:nowrap;font:bold .8em serif;text-shadow:#400 0 0 2px,gold 1px 1px 2px;color:#fee"> <s>«( P E R H E L I O N )»<sub>*</sub></s> </span>]] 16:23, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
::That is the magical conversion, see [[:en:Esperanto orthography#X-system]]. It can be useful when writing Esperanto, but not for other languages./[[User:Ö|Ö]] 16:58, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

== Village Pump / Proposals ==

[[user:Docu]] just attempted to effectively delete [[Commons:Village pump/Proposals]] by merging it here [https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/w/index.php?title=Commons%3AVillage_pump&action=historysubmit&diff=56219202&oldid=56216156]. I reject this attempt to unilaterally get rid of something that has hardly had a chance to succeed or fail, but to my mind has already proved useful and certainly had enough community engagement that it is absurd to rely on old discussion as "consensus" to get rid of it. If there is a community agreement to close it now, fine, I'll accept that. But it should be a new proposal/thread/discussion (here, I suppose, would be logical). [[User:Rd232|Rd232]] ([[User talk:Rd232|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 20:56, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

:Your proposal was discussed here and didn't gain sufficient support. While I understand that you are interested in porting ideas from English Wikipedia to Commons, you need to accept that not all gain the necessary support.
:The text discussion wasn't effectively deleted, but still remains available here. -- [[User talk:Docu|<span style="font-size:80%;border:#000 solid 1px;padding:0"><span style="margin:0;color:#CE2029">&nbsp;Docu&nbsp;</span></span>]] <span style="font-size:75%">at</span> 21:06, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

::"didn't gain sufficient support" - you opposed it, so you're not the best judge. And [[Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2011/06#Village_Pump_.2F_Proposals|this]] is hardly consensus against. It's often easier to judge an idea when you've got a concrete draft of it, and there wasn't at the time. So, by all means, revisit it, but don't cite that discussion as proof it should be killed now. [[User:Rd232|Rd232]] ([[User talk:Rd232|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 21:19, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

===Proposal===
* Close [[Commons:Village pump/Proposals]]. Why? Ask Docu. Why not? Because having a place for discussions and ideas that need a bit longer to gestate is helpful - better than this Village Pump where they disappear up the page quite easily. And having them on a separate page allows separate watchlisting by people who might not be interested in the everyday discussions here, but would keep an eye on bigger ideas. [[User:Rd232|Rd232]] ([[User talk:Rd232|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 21:19, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

===Summary of discussion of proposal about "Village_Pump/Proposals"===
Rd232, would you provide us your summary of the discussion of your proposal at [[Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2011/06#Village_Pump_.2F_Proposals]]. Try to spare us your incivilities and just state the support and opposition your proposal gained. -- [[User talk:Docu|<span style="font-size:80%;border:#000 solid 1px;padding:0"><span style="margin:0;color:#CE2029">&nbsp;Docu&nbsp;</span></span>]] <span style="font-size:75%">at</span> 21:27, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

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1 Flag of Minnesota 5 4 Gestumblindi 2024-05-17 19:11
2 I didn't find a map with the purpose I wanted 4 3 Broichmore 2024-05-21 19:58
3 Wrongly uploaded file. 2 2 Jmabel 2024-05-17 14:52
4 Page in PDF and page in the physical book 2 2 Jmabel 2024-05-17 22:16
5 Editor trying to rename hundreds of images to include the location 16 5 Asclepias 2024-05-23 20:01
6 Editing a file's metadata 3 3 Prototyperspective 2024-05-18 15:06
7 Mandatory captions 9 5 Ymblanter 2024-05-20 21:47
8 Changes in UploadWizard: lost autonumbering 3 3 Marsupium 2024-05-23 09:48
9 Expain to me, please, what I have done wrong 8 6 Jeff G. 2024-05-19 01:52
10 Top right icon for POTY finalists and winners 2 2 Basile Morin 2024-05-19 08:03
11 Transcriptions of uploads at Commons 4 3 Adamant1 2024-05-20 01:04
12 Is there a page or list of wikipedia entries that are considered examples to follow? 2 2 Jeff G. 2024-05-20 10:57
13 Verify the existence of paintings 6 4 Alexpl 2024-05-20 15:43
14 Новый интерфейс загрузки 3 3 Jmabel 2024-05-20 17:04
15 Identity theft 2 2 Jmabel 2024-05-21 01:36
16 Bugs in Upload Wizard 4 3 ITookSomePhotos 2024-05-21 21:42
17 Strange behaviour of PDF previewer 5 2 ZandDev 2024-05-24 19:01
18 Photo challenge March results 1 1 Jarekt 2024-05-21 03:32
19 Rename a file 8 6 Bjh21 2024-05-23 12:50
20 Feedback invited on Procedure for Sibling Project Lifecycle 1 1 RamzyM (WMF) 2024-05-22 02:24
21 British English = Tsonga? 4 3 Jeff G. 2024-05-22 19:08
22 Emilio Segrè Visual Archives 5 2 Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 2024-05-23 17:56
23 Problem with Upload 2 2 Jmabel 2024-05-23 17:32
24 dates in structured data 2 2 ReneeWrites 2024-05-23 07:19
25 How is this possible ? 5 4 Alexpl 2024-05-24 15:32
26 Photographers 2 2 Ipr1 2024-05-23 21:00
27 Category:Bain copyright notice and Bettman 2 2 Asclepias 2024-05-23 18:44
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May 11[edit]

Flag of Minnesota[edit]

Maybe that wasn't the wisest move. File:Flag of Minnesota.svg is now the new, current flag of Minnesota. But until it was moved yesterday by User:Mateus2019, the file that is now File:Flag of Minnesota (1983–2024).svg was using that file name. The result is that Wikipedia pages or page sections in various language versions that explicitly deal with Minnesota's old flag suddenly wrongly show the new flag, because it's using the same file name. For example, I had to update de:Siegel Minnesotas which basically said "the seal of Minnesota is shown on the state flag" accompanied by the new state flag which doesn't show the seal at all. Of course this was a good opportunity to also update the text to say that it's shown on the old state flag, but I don't know how many similar cases there may be in the many projects that use File:Flag of Minnesota.svg. Gestumblindi (talk) 22:35, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Existing filenames should not be repurposed for new different files UNLESS they carry the {{Current}} template. This causes chaos for any wikis that uses InstantCommons (which includes a lot more than just Wikipedia). User:Abzeronow, FYI. Nosferattus (talk) 21:40, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Fry1989: The redirect was moved to the new file after Mateus had moved the file to a different name (that same user also filed a DR Commons:Deletion requests/File:Flag of Minnesota.svg so the redirect could be deleted.) I believe most wikis were using it to show what the flag of Minnesota is and I had believed at the time, there was enough consensus to do the move. I probably could have waited a day or two for the various wikis to change text to prepare for the change in the flags, but I do believe the move was less disruptive than the alternative. However, in the future, I'll wait to verify there is consensus to move the file if a similar case happens. Abzeronow (talk) 21:56, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
When flags have changed in the past, the move of the old flag to include the bracketed years of use and the new flag taking over the current namespace was performed in relatively short order. I find this rather silly. Projects are editable, any "disruption" can be easily corrected. Fry1989 eh? 16:59, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think that Commons shouldn't force projects using Commons files to edit their pages. As the articles on the flag of Minnesota need all updating of the text anyway, too, I think that in the meantime an outdated article that correctly describes and shows the old flag of Minnesota is still better than a "mix-up" article that talks about the old flag and shows the new flag alongside (because it's automatically embedded from Commons...) - Projects shouldn't have to deal with Commons files suddenly changing their content completely. Gestumblindi (talk) 19:11, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 14[edit]

I didn't find a map with the purpose I wanted[edit]

Hello. Have a good week. I did not find any map on Wikimedia Commons that captures the tropical and subtropical oceans of planet Earth. I'm writing about creatures that live in tropical and subtropical oceans and seas, but I don't have a map for it. Mário NET (talk) 00:42, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mean something like the files in Category:Alisov's classification? --HyperGaruda (talk) 18:42, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm talking about a map that has colored much like the killer whale distribution, but a map that marked what are considered oceanic tropical and subtropical regions together and as a whole. I am writing about a genus of mollusk that sails in tropical and subtropical waters (the Argonaut) and I would like to point out where this genus sails. Mário NET (talk) 15:01, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You could ask for a map to be designed to your specification at Commons:Graphic Lab/Map workshop? - Broichmore (talk) 19:58, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 17[edit]

Wrongly uploaded file.[edit]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kafe_20220718_092905.jpg

Please delete this... 01x07x2022000 (talk) 10:36, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@01x07x2022000: you uploaded this years ago. I see you have also started a normal DR, which at this point is probably the only process by which it can be deleted. - Jmabel ! talk 14:52, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Page in PDF and page in the physical book[edit]

Hello. I am looking at some images scanned from a physical book, like this one: File:1938 CoA of interwar Zalau.jpg. As it is sometimes the case with digitized books, the page numbers in the resulted PDF do not match with the page numbers in the actual book. For example, while the provided image is found in the source PDF at page 1001, if we take a look at the scan we realize it was page 697 in the physical copy.

Is there a structured way to indicate both page numbers in {{Information}} – like some sort of a template? If not, how would you suggest to improve the text for the Source parameter in order to clearly explain the difference between PDF page and physical page? (At the moment it only displays the PDF page.) Thanks. Gikü (talk) 21:15, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Gikü: I'm unaware of anything standard, but I've been known to write, for example, "p. 4 (p. 9 of PDF)". - Jmabel ! talk 22:16, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Editor trying to rename hundreds of images to include the location[edit]

Jugermai (talk · contribs) has submitted hundreds of file rename requests (see their contribs) to add locations to images (at the beginning of the filename, too, rather than at the end), even when disambiguation is not needed. Has there been a discussion somewhere that suggested this would be a good thing? Isn't that what categories are for: to indicate the location of the subject of an image? It seems to me this is needlessly complicating the filenames, as well as moving the most important information (what the image actually contains) to the end of the filename. I don't want to approve any more until it's determined this is a good thing to do. Thanks for any input. ···日本穣 Talk to Nihonjoe 23:25, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone have any thoughts on this? I don't have a strong preference either way, but I'd like some input before I approve any more like this. ···日本穣 Talk to Nihonjoe 17:48, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As described, this sounds as a very bad idea. The policy is described in Commons:File_renaming#Which_files_should_be_renamed?, and it doesn't include that any file can be renamed just because of the naming preferences of some user different from the uploader. Even if the requesting user could argue that his version looks a bit better (which I think it doesn't in this case), the policy clearly states that "Files should NOT be renamed only because the new name looks a bit better."
If somebody wants to make clear that Toronto is in Ontario, Canada, file names aren't the right place to do it, but categories and structured data.
In summary, I think Jugermai's requests should be reverted.--Pere prlpz (talk) 17:59, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Pere prlpz: That's kind of the way I'm leaning, too. I'll wait a bit to see if anyone else has any thoughts. ···日本穣 Talk to Nihonjoe 18:10, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Nihonjoe: Looking only at the last 20 or so requests, almost all of them are blatantly bad and should be denied. In particular they're claimed under criterion 4 and that criterion is very narrow. As explained by the footnote at COM:FR#cite_note-4, it's only for use in two cases: files that are parts of a larger work and files whose precise names are depended on by external systems (such as Wikisource and complex templates). Neither of those applies here.
There are a few cases (e.g. File:Old Mill ruins (I0015208).jpg) where renaming might be justified under criterion 2. Specifically the "Generic category rather than specific item" sub-criterion. Most of them have adequate specifications of the location in the name already, though. --bjh21 (talk) 12:41, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Bjh21: Thanks for your comments. That confirms what I was thinking. It might take more than just me to clean them up, though. @Jugermai: It might be good for you to go in and remove the rename requests for most or all of these. I'll see what I can do to help, but it would be best for you to clean up the requests. ···日本穣 Talk to Nihonjoe 17:58, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Nihonjoe Thank you for the corrections and guidance! I will start undoing the change requests. Is it alright to leave the file names that have already been approved, or is it better to revert them as well? Jugermai (talk) 18:28, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Jugermai: I would suggest reverting them as well. ···日本穣 Talk to Nihonjoe 18:37, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Jugermai: I can probably bulk-remove the rename requests from the ones that haven't been renamed using COM:VFC, so you might not need to do those ones. Give me an hour or so... --bjh21 (talk) 19:04, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Jugermai: With the help of the magical COM:VFC, I have removed the remaining {{Rename}} templates that you added citing criterion 4. I expect there are some cases where renaming under criterion 2 instead would be appropriate; feel free to request it again in those cases. I've done the one I mentioned above. --bjh21 (talk) 19:44, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Bjh21 YAY! Thank you so much for your help, I'm so glad there was a quick fix!
I'll go through and undo the already approved ones, and possibly re-request the ones with vague names. I will also try to look more into the date issue (getting the correct data) and using the appropriate template. Again, I really appreciate your help and patience. Thank you! Jugermai (talk) 19:57, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, my apologies for causing trouble, I realize now I should have done more research before proceeding with all the name change requests! I am an intern working for Archives of Ontario (the uploader of the files), attempting to do data cleanup. Aside from editing the titles, I've also been editing the dates to be [ca. 1948-1972], as there was an error in the upload and most of the dates incorrectly read 1952. I understand the reasoning behind reverting the file name edits, but I just want to know if the date changes will/can be retained? Jugermai (talk) 14:29, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Jugermai: Yes, those date changes will likely be kept. I would suggest not marking those as minor changes, though, since you're changing the meaning of the page. It would be even better to use one of the date templates like {{Other date}} or {{Complex date}}. For instance {{other date|~|1948|1972}} will give "between circa 1948 and circa 1972
date QS:P,+1950-00-00T00:00:00Z/7,P1319,+1948-00-00T00:00:00Z/9,P1326,+1972-00-00T00:00:00Z/9,P1480,Q5727902
" with proper translation into other languages.
Changing the names of files is special because those names are part of how files are referred to, both within MediaWiki and on external sites that use Commons' files. This is why we have quite restrictive file renaming guidelines and why renaming requests need to be approved by trusted users. --bjh21 (talk) 15:32, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Jugermai: If you are certain that a date in the title of a file is wrong, that can be a valid reason to rename the file, but then that's per criterion 3, to correct an error. In the date field, if "ca. 1948-1972" is really the best that can be done, then "Category:Ontario in the 1950s" should also be removed. It may be replaced or not with "Category:Ontario in the 20th century". Isn't it at least possible to be sure that the date range is "1948-1972", without having to make it even more uncertain by adding "ca."? While editing, please also remove the empty "Category:" in many pages. -- Asclepias (talk) 15:45, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In some of those "1948-1972" cases, it's possible to easily narrow the date range, on the basis of the pictured people, objects, buildings, events. For example, a photo of Lt. Gov. MacKay (not McKay) must be 1957-1963, and by consequence the other photos of the same event. (With research, it may even be possible to find the precise date of the event, but I understand that must not be part of the internship job.) -- Asclepias (talk) 16:43, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
While editing, a few other things could be usefully edited at the same time. Sometimes, the year category is not consistent with the date field, e.g. this photo has 1964 in the date field and 1960 in the category. A useful suggestion was made by a user on the talk page of the uploader VNDS: Commons indicates when images are in the public domain. For many images, their copyright is expired in Canada, they are also in the public domain in the United States, and thus they can, and probably should, use the proper public domain templates on Commons, as the case may be, such as PD-Canada and PD-1996, to adequately inform the viewers about their status. An offer, additionally, of an open license OGL-ON may be applicable for users in some countries in the rest of the world where a copyright might still subsist, but Commons gives particular attention to indicate the actual status in the United States and in Canada (country of origin). -- Asclepias (talk) 20:01, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 18[edit]

Editing a file's metadata[edit]

Is there a way to do it aside from downloading an image and editing it on a computer? Adamant1 (talk) 05:28, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AFAIK, no. —Matrix(!) {user - talk? - uselesscontributions} 15:03, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A way was requested here. A drawback would be that it probably increases faulty metadata that is hard to correct. Prototyperspective (talk) 15:06, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mandatory captions[edit]

Hi. Apparently, captions are now mandatory, at least when using Upload Wizard. Has this issue been discussed before the implementation? Strakhov (talk) 05:49, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Strakhov: I believe that's a bug. See Commons:Upload_Wizard_feedback#Caption_same_as_Description:_boring_and_confusing. If this is something different, that's still the page on which to bring it up. - Jmabel ! talk 16:25, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This bug seems to force some veteran users to leave this platform. N509FZ Talk 前置，有座！Front engine with seats! 10:29, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you are a veteran user, just ignore the "Wizard" and use Special:Upload. - Jmabel ! talk 13:54, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But this isn't the reasonable excuse for abusing the power in developing without debugging. N509FZ Talk 前置，有座！Front engine with seats! 15:29, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Special:Upload is not practical if you have multiple files to upload, sadly UW is the only tool available (without needing to download Java). Bidgee (talk) 19:30, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sure it is. You just ping-pong between two tabs and copy-paste the same text (or adjust as needed). Even for this I find it far easier to use than UW, which I've never liked at all. - Jmabel ! talk 05:41, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not practical for me, since the tab/window (if I have two separate browser windows) will suspend and refresh. I have found UW simple enough (until recently) to use. Bidgee (talk) 20:16, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I went back to the old form as well. Ymblanter (talk) 21:47, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Changes in UploadWizard: lost autonumbering[edit]

So far, when loading many files, the number ending the names was increased by 1 in subsequent files. Now you have to renumber the names of all files manually. Why? Kenraiz (talk) 06:01, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is a known problem and will be fixed with the next MediaWiki update. GPSLeo (talk) 12:04, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have a phab ticket at hand by chance? Thx in advance! —Marsupium (talk) 09:48, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Expain to me, please, what I have done wrong[edit]

Hello, could you please answer the last question I asked the admin on my user-talk page? They did not answer. For context: I requested deletion of several NSFW images for being outside of the scope of Commons for not being educational. Almost all of them were closed after a few hours and I was warned for vandalism. I now recognize that all (except one) of the requests were erroneous, because I didn't know that anything used on another Wikimedia project is unconditionally considered educational and that some of the images were parts of important "collections" or "projects" unknown to me. But the admin seemed to argue that no files should be ever deleted as uneducational (they said: "Creating deletion requests without a valid rationale disrupts the project"). Could you clear my misunderstanding, please? Ltalc (talk) 08:53, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Your only edits on Wikimedia Commons are requesting deletion of these images. We often have accounts created only for such a purpose, and we do not welcome them. Images showing nudity or sexual acts can have an educational value. And we do keep any file with a proper license used on another project. Thanks, Yann (talk) 09:10, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I understand now.
I would like kindly to ask you, for the sake of future newbies, to consider limiting the usage of the templated vandalism warning. When I saw it on my user-talk page, it at first provoked anger in me. I was accused of something I didn't do, vandalism – deliberate bad-faith destruction. I fully understand your motivation – Commons is surely flooded with vandalism every day, just like all wikis. But I have a feeling that overuse of that standardized warning has a quite adverse effect.
It would be nice if you elaborated to humble beginners like me what makes deletion reasons invalid. In my case, it took quite a long for me to understand that that rationale (of images not being educational) was not invalid per se, but it was invalid for each of the images for varying reasons, such as that I didn't know the policy or that I missed some context.
Take my advice with a grain of salt, I know almost nothing about Commons. Have a nice day. Ltalc (talk) 09:47, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with this user and think people who start out with deletion requests or initially largely make a few DRs are dealt with way too harshly and without proper justification. Also I don't think the rationales were invalid, they are just not established recognized rationales but at least they're rationale and reasonable valid ones in addition. Repelling such users is problematic for several (incl those) reasons and doesn't really reduce workload. Prototyperspective (talk) 10:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
However, checking the contribs of the user, it doesn't seem like the text above is a roughly accurate description of what happened: the user removed a quite large number of files from Category:Files from Lies Thru a Lens Flickr stream, female model photos so the action seems probably appropriate. Prototyperspective (talk) 11:16, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Somewhat contradictory: "I know almost nothing about Commons." and "I requested deletion of several [..] images for being outside of the scope of Commons [..]". Enhancing999 (talk) 12:21, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Top right icon for POTY finalists and winners This file was awarded first place in Picture of the Year This file was awarded second place in Picture of the Year This file was awarded third place in Picture of the Year This file was a finalist in Picture of the Year[edit]

Hi! I have already posted this here and here but I've been just told to post it here so here is my post here.

There already are icons on the top right of each file considered Featured picture , Valued image , Quality Image , Wiki Loves Earth winner and Wiki Loves Monuments winner . Could we also add a top right icon for Picture of the Year winners and finalists ?

There is two ways to do it.

One would be to copy paste the following code on each individual file page :

For 1st place files: This file was awarded first place in Picture of the Year 

{{Top icon|imagename=POTY barnstar.svg|wikilink=Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2021/Results/All|description=This file was awarded first place in Picture of the Year 2021|imagesize=64px|sortkey=001}}

For 2nd place files: This file was awarded second place in Picture of the Year

{{Top icon|imagename=PODY 2nd barnstar.svg|wikilink=Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2021/Results/All|description=This file was awarded second place in Picture of the Year 2021|imagesize=64px|sortkey=002}}

For 3rd place files: This file was awarded third place in Picture of the Year

{{Top icon|imagename=PODY 3rd barnstar.svg|wikilink=Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2021/Results/All|description=This file was awarded third place in Picture of the Year 2021|imagesize=64px|sortkey=003}}

For finalist files: This file was a finalist in Picture of the Year

{{Top icon|imagename=PODY ribbon.svg|wikilink=Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2021/Results/All|description=This file was a finalist in Picture of the Year 2021|imagesize=64px|sortkey=004}}

I have tested it and it works perfectly.

Another way is to edit this template and to edit the top code of the page to something that looks like this:

Code 
{{#ifeq: {{{POTY}}} |1| {{Top icon
| imagename    = POTY barnstar.svg
| imagesize    = 64px
| wikilink     = Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/{{{POTYyear}}}/Results/All
| description  = This file was awarded first place in Picture of the Year {{{POTYyear}}}
| sortkey  = 001
}}}}<!--
-->{{#ifeq: {{{POTY}}} |2| {{Top icon
| imagename    = PODY 2nd barnstar.svg
| imagesize    = 64px
| wikilink     = Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/{{{POTYyear}}}/Results/All
| description  = This file was awarded second place in Picture of the Year {{{POTYyear}}}
| sortkey  = 002
}}}}<!--
-->{{#ifeq: {{{POTY}}} |3| {{Top icon
| imagename    = PODY 3rd barnstar.svg
| imagesize    = 64px
| wikilink     = Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/{{{POTYyear}}}/Results/All
| description  = This file was awarded third place in Picture of the Year {{{POTYyear}}}
| sortkey  = 003
}}}}<!--
-->{{#ifeq: {{{POTY}}} |f| {{Top icon
| imagename    = PODY ribbon.svg
| imagesize    = 64px
| wikilink     = Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/{{{POTYyear}}}/Results/All
| description  = This file was a finalist in Picture of the Year {{{POTYyear}}}
| sortkey  = 004
}}}}<!--
-->{{#if:{{{quality|}}}|{{Top icon
| imagename    = Quality images logo.svg
| imagesize    = 64px
| wikilink     = Commons:Quality images
| description  = {{Top icon hover i18n|Quality image}}
}}}}<!--
-->{{#if:{{{featured|}}}|{{Top icon
| imagename    = {{#switch:{{{featured|}}}|1|3=Cscr-featured.svg|2|4=Cscr-former.svg}}
| imagesize    = 64px
| wikilink     = Commons:Featured pictures
| description  = {{#switch:{{{featured|}}}|1|3={{Top icon hover i18n|Featured picture}}|2|4={{Top icon hover i18n|Featured picture|former=y}} }} }}}}<!--
-->{{#if:{{{valued|}}}|{{Top icon
| imagename    = Valued image seal.svg
| imagesize    = 64px
| wikilink     = Commons:Valued images
| description   = {{Top icon hover i18n|Valued image}}
}}}}<!-- end of topicons
 
start of the banner
-->

For the template code I’m not 100% sure because I can’t test it. I'm also not sure if {{{POTYyear}}} is the right way to display the year it won.

I hope this can get implemented and I wish you all a nice day.

-- Giles Laurent (talk) 19:18, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Transcriptions of uploads at Commons[edit]

I was just told that "Commons is not the place for transcription; go to Wikisource with this". But we have over 100,000 djvu files with embedded transcriptions, the same for older pdf files with embedded transcriptions. Should we delete all the embedded transcription text or are transcriptions allowed? While Wikisource is a place to store text, we have tens of thousands of books and news articles that do not appear in Wikisource, and we have no control over what meets Wikisource notability. My file did not have the text embedded in the pdf, but as text on the file page. I can embed the text inside the pdf, but then OCR errors will not be fixed and links to people/places/things cannot be formed. I can embed the text by combining the image with the text in a djvu file. If this is about server space, the text takes up the same amount of room if embedded or if appearing as text on the file page. And of course, each of the words in the text act as a keyword, if someone is searching for the document via a search engine. The title of the document-image gives minimal context. So, what are our rules? RAN (talk) 23:18, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see a problem transcribing File:Albert Einstein Anzeige 1902.jpg, but your question seems to be about lengthy pdfs. Enhancing999 (talk) 16:57, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is a 4 page letter. I can't find a rule that excludes text, since pdf and djvu files contain embedded text. One of the differences between Wikisource and Commons is annotations. Wikisource is for the original text, errors and misspellings remain in place. Commons allows annotations and references and notes. Wikisource also was removing links to Wikipedia and Wikidata until recently, and may go back to removing them. --RAN (talk) 18:49, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see an issue with transcribing something like a paragraph per say and putting the transcription in the file description. Anything over that just seems like turning Commons into Wikisource or Wikipedia though. Especially if said transcription involves creating a whole new section outside of the file summary as was done with File:William Francis Norton (1857-1939) memoir.pdf, which is odd RAN didn't mention BTW since that seems to be what this whole thing is about. --Adamant1 (talk) 01:04, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 19[edit]

Is there a page or list of wikipedia entries that are considered examples to follow?[edit]

I'm looking for a resource that lists wikipedia pages that are widely recognized as models to follow. The category of entries closest to what I'm looking for might be described as a practice or service. For example adoption may be a good one. In the talk it is labeled as "This article is or was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment." Is there a way to find a list of articles that were part of Wiki Education Foundation, and could be consistered a 'gold standard' of wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nylnoj (talk • contribs) 17:08, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You need to ask at Wikipedia: try w:Wikipedia:Help_desk. Enhancing999 (talk) 17:12, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Nylnoj: Hi, and welcome. See also this special page.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 10:57, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 20[edit]

Verify the existence of paintings[edit]

There have been a bunch of uploads with belgian artist´s Category:Léon Houyoux (1856 – 1940) works recently. I was unable to verify the existence of those paintings, even the titles don´t seem to match up with artnet. Do we have any proceedings for finding out if they are real/legit? Alexpl (talk) 08:39, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Alexpl: Why didn't you ask the uploader? Yann (talk) 09:21, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The uploader already wrote "private collection". So that doesn´t really help - unless they are listed somewhere else. I did hope for somebody to come up with another good source for such things. Alexpl (talk) 09:50, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
at least one has source https://archive.org/details/catalogueillust1907soci/page/42/mode/2up?view=theater--Oursana (talk) 10:26, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This comes directly from our family (descendants), these paintings have already been shown in retrospective exhibitions and appear in catalogs and books dedicated to Léon Houyoux. Yours sincerely, Nicolas Houyoux Halhyx (talk) 11:53, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If the paintings have been documented in catalogs a.o. and you have the details for those publications, you should put them in the "Description" text for each file. Alexpl (talk) 15:43, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Новый интерфейс загрузки[edit]

Кто-то с недавних пор поменял интерфейс загрузки файлов. При копировании названий файлов автоматическая нумерация не работает. Если загружаешь семь файлов, то все они будут иметь число семь в своём названии после копирования, а не порядковый номер по загрузке. Зачем и почему? Теперь ещё и приходится заполнять подпись к файлу, что стало обязательным пунктом при загрузке. Она копируется в последующие загрузки, но дело в том, что размер подписи ограничен. Зачем нужна обязательная подпись, если есть обязательное описание? Мало того, описание теперь не копируется в последующие загрузки, хотя такая галочка копирования у меня всегда нажата, в результате чего приходится копировать вручную. Зачем нужно было предпринимать такие нововведения, которые затрудняют мне работу в Викискладе? Кто-нибудь советовался в теми, кто активно и помногу загружает изображения на Викисклад? --Engelberthumperdink (talk) 12:41, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Вы написали на русскоязычном форуме, я там ответил и дал ссылки. Ymblanter (talk) 13:07, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll copy this to Commons:Upload Wizard feedback as well. - Jmabel ! talk 17:04, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Identity theft[edit]

someone is downloading all kinds of files that ain't true to my accounts..this last one that I share with Evan Remillard...not true I'm never joined no family I don't have no online buissnesses or events someone is using my identity..I want info how to close this account please they are changing stuff from 2022 2023.mot only here Facebook Twitter 2603:7081:7C00:2292:E14C:852D:D0AC:4C4E 17:53, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since you don't say what account this is about there is nothing we can do. - Jmabel ! talk 01:36, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bugs in Upload Wizard[edit]

Hi, can I report bugs in the Upload Wizard here? If not, would anyone be kind enough to copy and paste these to the appropriate place? (I do not have an account for any bug-reporting system, and do not want one.)

1. I tried to type ''...'' (pairs of single quotes) around a word in the "Title" field, wanting italics but forgetting that it was the filename, and got the incorrect message "Please write a more informative title". No matter how "informative" I made the title, the message persisted until I removed the quote characters.

2. Uploading multiple files, "Copy title (with automatic numbering)" did not create automatic numbering. Instead, it put the same numeric suffix on all files, which I then had to change manually.

3. Uploading multiple files, "Copy description" no longer seems to work. I'm guessing that this may be because the "Same as caption" setting is not turned off for the subsequent files, which I suppose it needs to be for the description to be picked up.

Thanks, ITookSomePhotos (talk) 17:58, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ITookSomePhotos: For the second point there is an answer above (see section #Changes in UploadWizard: lost autonumbering). --ZandDev (talk) 21:46, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ITookSomePhotos: In general, try Commons:Upload Wizard feedback. - Jmabel ! talk 01:38, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
thanks, will do ITookSomePhotos (talk) 21:42, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strange behaviour of PDF previewer[edit]

Checkmark This section is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, replace this template with your comment. --ZandDev (talk) 19:01, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

I was surfing Piedmontese language category and I found inside the subcategory Bibia piemontèisa with some files, as e.g. Esechiel (test complèt).pdf. The thumb image is the (fallback?) PDF icon and it is written that the file dimensions are 0×0. Chrome file viewer display the files correctly (it has 127 pages, A5, PDF-1.5). --ZandDev (talk) 21:56, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ZandDev: I purged the problematic files and they show up correctly for me now. MKFI (talk) 06:46, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MKFI Perfect, better this way. -- ZandDev (talk) 11:28, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MKFI: Oh wrong ping. -- ZandDev (talk) 18:59, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 21[edit]

Photo challenge March results[edit]

Grays: Entries • Votes • Scores
Rank 1 2 3
image
Title Sieben graue Köpfe Reflections - Shyok River Nina-Replica
Author Mensch01 Prof Ranga Sai Wingerham52
Score 20 18 11
Courthouses: Entries • Votes • Scores
Rank 1 2 3
image
Title Palazzo di Guistizia
with Courte di Cassazione
at river Tiber, Rome, Italy		 North facade of Palais de justice de Paris. Supreme Court of Finland at night
Author Mozzihh FreCha GPSLeo
Score 19 15 12

Congratulations to Mozzihh, FreCha, GPSLeo, Mensch01, Prof Ranga Sai and Wingerham52. -- Jarekt (talk) 03:32, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename a file[edit]

How do I rename an image here? File:Pinconning.jpg is clashing with a Pinconning.jpg on Wikipedia proper, and I would like to rename the former. TenPoundHammer (talk) 18:02, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You could just use the export to wikimedia commons button inside (top of) the wikipedia page, during the export process you will have the opportunity of renaming the file to (example) Pinconning, cows in a field.jpg. Otherwise, you could apply for file mover rights to rename your own file, which is unnecessary. Broichmore (talk) 19:31, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Broichmore: the "export" approach presumes User:TenPoundHammer wants to move the file to Commons from [an unspecified] Wikipedia. I think what they are complaining about is that the Wikipedia file is "masking" access to the Commons file on that Wikipedia. Seems like a valid reason to move/rename the Commons file.
@TenPoundHammer: I can't see the particular form of the UI that you get, but there should typically be a "move" button in a navigation strip just above the image. If you don't have filemover privileges, that will just let you request a move for someone else to carry out. Alternatively, you can edit the wikitext and use {{Rename}}, which will have the same effect. - Jmabel ! talk 03:21, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The file was uploaded to enwiki under a free license. I see no reason to not have a file like that on Commons instead, so now it is. ReneeWrites (talk) 19:42, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@TenPoundHammer: COM:FRNOT item 3 says that in such cases the file on Wikipedia should be renamed. Inertia6084, who renamed the Commons file, might want to review our guidelines. --bjh21 (talk) 12:27, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This was uploaders request (Criterion 1), although Crit. 6 was given. So "... who renamed the ... want to review our guidelines", doesn't make sense. How should I have known this? The history says "(Uploaded own work with UploadWizard)", not "uploaded from en.wiki" - So the uploader uploaded this themselves, not via Wikipedia. Inertia6084 (talk) (talk) 12:43, 23 May 2024 (UTC) PS if someone likes to get it renamed to another name, please give me a ping. Thnx. - Inertia6084 (talk) (talk) 12:43, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Inertia6084: Oh, yes, it's me who should have reviewed the history of the file! I'm very sorry! I shall now go and rename some files to compensate for my mistake. --bjh21 (talk) 12:50, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 22[edit]

Feedback invited on Procedure for Sibling Project Lifecycle[edit]

You can find this message translated into additional languages on Meta-wiki. Please help translate to your language

Dear community members,

The Community Affairs Committee (CAC) of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees invites you to give feedback on a draft Procedure for Sibling Project Lifecycle. This draft Procedure outlines proposed steps and requirements for opening and closing Wikimedia Sibling Projects, and aims to ensure any newly approved projects are set up for success. This is separate from the procedures for opening or closing language versions of projects, which is handled by the Language Committee or closing projects policy.

You can find the details on this page, as well as the ways to give your feedback from today until the end of the day on June 23, 2024, anywhere on Earth.

You can also share information about this with the interested project communities you work with or support, and you can also help us translate the procedure into more languages, so people can join the discussions in their own language.

On behalf of the CAC,

RamzyM (WMF) 02:24, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

British English = Tsonga?[edit]

I have my language preference for this project set to "British English", as English is my mother tongue (do people have any idea just how offensive it is for English to be termed as 'British English" while American English is described as 'English', I wonder?). In the last week or so, parts of any page I access are displayed in a language that Google Translate seems to think is at least partly Tsonga; example: "Yi efo/eka'e gwa ebo wo le nyangagi wuncin ye kamina wunga tinya nan". Does anyone know what's going on, and if anyone's working to fix it? Thanks, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 08:30, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Justlettersandnumbers: That text shows here.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 14:22, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW, we have both "British English" (en-UK) and "American English" (en-US). Unqualified "English" (en) can be either, or any of a number of other national variants (e.g. en-CA or en-IN), and is on something of a "first come, first serve" basis. No comment on the Tsonga thing, though. - Jmabel ! talk 17:58, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We also choose not to fight the American Revolution again.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 19:08, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Emilio Segrè Visual Archives[edit]

Someone left a message here stating The Emilio Segrè Visual Archives copyright policy: Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Harold_Urey,_c._1932.jpg. Is there anyway we can automate aggregating all the images that originate with them into Category:Emilio Segrè Visual Archives? --RAN (talk) 18:06, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ): am I correct that the the Emilio Segrè Visual Archives is a subset of the Niels Bohr Library and Archives? If so, is there anything in the source URL that will tell us that a particular file is part of the Emilio Segrè Visual Archives? - Jmabel ! talk 18:59, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am not sure what belongs to what part of the archive, but when I search for Emilio Segrè Visual Archives I get those results, can you see them from the link, if not just type "Emilio Segrè Visual Archives" in search. It appears that images from the Emilio Segrè Visual Archives have their own copyright statement apart from the Niels Bohr Library and Archives. It appears that Niels Bohr Library and Archives may house the physical prints. --RAN (talk) 19:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ): I would suggest that rather than a fully automated solution, you could use Cat-a-lot or VFC on that search result to add the category. Probably there are other tools as well, but those are the two I would consider. - Jmabel ! talk 17:30, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Problem with Upload[edit]

There is a problem with Special:Upload. Once you have completed the form and submit for uploading, if there is a problem with the selected file name it chooses a new valid name and gives you a chance to proceed. It used to have buttons to change the name or use the selected name. But the problem is it looses all of the description, licencing & categories that has been entered, just offering a blank form with a basic description template. Keith D (talk) 21:44, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Keith D: I'm not sure I follow that. Could you describe the old and new sequence, indicating where they differ? Or maybe someone can understand this as written and give you an answer. - Jmabel ! talk 17:32, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 23[edit]

dates in structured data[edit]

In structured data when you add a date for inception or publication_date, you have the option of making it "Mark as prominent", is there an instance where you want to mark a date that way? Or do we not need "Mark as prominent" when dates are added? --RAN (talk) 05:22, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If a field only contains one entry it's automatically treated as the prominent one. This is the default, so you don't need to worry about all the entries on Commons or Wikidata that don't have them marked as such. The prompt to mark something as prominent only appears if there are two (or more) conflicting entries in one field, in which case Wikidata doesn't quite know what to do with it and asks you to pick one. ReneeWrites (talk) 07:19, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How is this possible ?[edit]

How is this possible ? The File:Silvermynt - Skoklosters slott - 109422.tif was rotated in 2019 but still appears upside down ! --DenghiùComm (talk) 15:27, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It shows the correct alignment, the problem seems to be on your side. Alexpl (talk) 15:32, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Photographers[edit]

Some categories for photographers display the Creator template and some do not. Which is the preferred? RAN (talk) 17:56, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

When a photographer does not have Creator-template it likely hasn't been created yet or it hasn't been added to Wikidata (where it should be marked). Also Commons is slow to update the view for recently added entries under categories. Ipr1 (talk) 21:00, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Bain copyright notice and Bettman[edit]

At Category:Bain copyright notice Bettman Archive appears as a subcategory, but should not. Can someone see what is causing the inclusion? --RAN (talk) 18:31, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Someone forgot the colon there. -- Asclepias (talk) 18:44, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Italian cultural heritage law application outside Italy[edit]

Most of us long believed that the Italian cultural heritage law (a non-copyright restriction-related law from 2004) only applies uses within Italy. This is finally untrue: the law has jurisdiction outside Italy as well. It is documented at w:en:Vitruvian Man#Legal dispute as well as in this article by Belgium-based COMMUNIA, regarding a successful case against a famous German toy manufacturer. Whether the same applies to the Internet is a gray area, however, but I may feel the Italian courts will abhor American lex loci protectionis defenses just as they abhored the German toy manufacturer's defense that they are in Germany and are not subject to the laws of Italy. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 21:39, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It appears the German toy manufacturer got an ally from a court in Stuttgart, which ruled that the company has the right to reproduce a public domain work, much to the fury of the Italian ministry of culture, which now argues they are prepared to challenge the "abnormal" ruling made by Stuttgart court, even in the European or even the international legal arenas. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 21:59, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Links:
-- Asclepias (talk) 23:14, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it doesn't affect us unless US law recognizes it, right? We only have to follow US law. We choose to follow non-US law as a courtesy, but if we decide as a community that the law "represent(s) an assault on the very concept of a public domain", we can feel free to ignore it. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 23:46, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@King of Hearts that may be, unless either the Italian art gallery sends a cease-and-desist letter to Wikimedia, or if an international court (assuming the Italian officials have already filed complaint on the international stage) ruled that the law of the artwork's country if origin is honored, not the law of the countries of the "infringers" (be it German or U.S. laws). But, yes, it may be a matter for the next generation of editors, as this may become the very first of cases where extraterritoriality of a law is involved and may change the perception of lex loci protectonis principle. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 00:33, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Italian entities do not target Commons anyway (for now), because their rules target commercial uses (for now). But they might try to target people who reuse Commons files commercially. The saying that we only have to follow US law is used specifically in the context of copyright law (because treaties provide that a website is assumed to be publishing in the country of the servers for matters that relate specifically to copyright, although there are nuances), but not necessarily in the context of other laws. In matters other than copyright, if something published on a website violates a law in a country, the usual rules can apply in that country. The Italian cultural assets code is not based on copyright. (It's doing something with effects similar to copyright without calling it copyright so it circumvents the limits of copyright.) In general, a country's laws must be complied with in that country. What's special is that the Italian entities claim that the Italian cultural assets code applies even to uses occurring entirely outside Italy and that non-Italian courts do not have jurisdiction to decide about it even in their own respective countries. -- Asclepias (talk) 01:16, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For mitigation reason, the templates {{Italy-MiBAC-disclaimer}} and {{PD-Italy}} should include a warning (probably a separate box below the relevant box holding the PD text) that states reusers globally should exercise caution when reusing Italian public domain works if those works are works of art and architecture, due to the cultural heritage laws of the country, and with link to COM:General disclaimer. Note that due to the situation, the scope of the warning should be international and not confined to the Italian reusers. And ICYMI, Getty Images might be the first of U.S.-hosted media repository sites to be targeted by the expanding Cultural Heritage Code: read here. The impacted work is the famous Statue of David by Michelangelo in Firenze/Florence, and the Florentine court is ordering the Italian-language edition of Getty Images to take down all images of the statue, using the Cultural Heritage Code as the basis. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 05:08, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If they are really enforcing this I this this will soon go to the European Court of Justice and I do not think that this rule complies with the copyright directive. GPSLeo (talk) 05:27, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is hubris on the part of the Florentine court.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 08:38, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@JWilz12345: The MiBAC-disclaimer template is already the warning made for that. The scope of the PD-Italy template is to describe the copyright status in Italy. Adding text about something else would be confusing. -- Asclepias (talk) 10:22, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The two Florence cases seem to be about the validity and the application of the Italian code within Italy. In that sense, they are not really out of the ordinary. The Da Vinci cases are those where the Italian ministry of Culture claimed to rule what is done in the entire world. -- Asclepias (talk) 10:41, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I wonder what they would have to say about 3D reproductions of the famous Statue of David by Michelangelo in Firenze/Florence (and other Italian statues) that Caesar's Entertainment has put up in it's hotels and casinos.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 12:45, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The German publisher disagreed with the Italian court ruling that said they were not allowed to use this Leonardo drawing in a commercial way, both in Italy as well as abroad. So the publisher pre-emptively went to a German court to get a ruling in their favor. The German court then ruled that Italian laws only apply in Italy, but not in other nations like Germany. So while some Italian authorities seem to think Italian laws give them some worldwide authority in these matters, so far no court outside of Italy has agreed with that. --Rosenzweig τ 13:37, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I note that they went to Stuttgart, not Köln. ;) -- Asclepias (talk) 14:16, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not surprising, the publisher is based close to Stuttgart, and unlike the press or Internet cases this is about a (possible) civil lawsuit, for which Stuttgart would be the venue. --Rosenzweig τ 14:33, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Rosenzweig still, like a typical Filipino TV drama series stereotype, the Italian authorities-made legal drama isn't yet over, as they are pondering to contest German court ruling either in a European or international venue or court. At least, the German court ruling has given a hard slap to the faces of the Italian cultural authorities seeking to privatize anything in public domain, and concerned free culture advocates, like several Wikimedians, should remain vigilant and continue to counter the cultural heritage restrictions. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 14:27, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, it most likely isn't over. Italian authorities apparently like drama. --Rosenzweig τ 14:33, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I like a comment in the page linked above: Next thing Egypt will be demanding licensing fees for photos of the pyramids. I bet this to backfire in a big way if they try to enforce it worldwide, like a Streisand effect. Yann (talk) 19:40, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 24[edit]

Category:Steamboat Willie[edit]

I feel like the category have been falling victim to overcategorization. Any suggestions?--Trade (talk) 17:47, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, you weren't kidding. This is wildly excessive. Cross-cutting categories like Category:Steamboat Willie artworks by language by type are completely unnecessary, especially when there's only a few "artworks" being categorized; all these categories are doing is making files harder to find.
Most of this system of subcategories was created by an IP editor about two weeks ago; this isn't a long-standing situation. I'll see what I can do to start getting this cleaned up. Omphalographer (talk) 20:41, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Most of the Scooby Doo and Space Jam categories suffers from similar issues. Trade (talk) 21:58, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All from the same user. If we just delete all the categories this one guy made it solves every problem at once. ReneeWrites (talk) 22:02, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Right, this user edited via 2001:8003:DD56:5500:A199:3CE6:9012:1D9A (talk • contribs • WHOIS • RBL • • guc • stalktoy • block user • block log), and then other addresses within 2001:8003:DD56:5500::/64 (talk • contribs • WHOIS • RBL • • guc • stalktoy • block user • block log). It is a part of the problematic 2001:8003:C000::/35 (talk • contribs • WHOIS • RBL • • guc • stalktoy • block user • block log), as well as the problematic 2001:8000::/19 (talk • contribs • WHOIS • RBL • • guc • stalktoy • block user • block log). Pinging @Graham87, Albertoleoncio, who blocked them on other projects, for input.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 22:34, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 25[edit]

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