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=====<big>05 January 2011</big>=====
 
;Suspected sockpuppets
 
* {{checkuser|1=MaxForce}}
* {{checkuser|1=SubcommandanteM}}
 
 
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This was raised at [[WP:ANI#Stonewalling]] by [[User:Deleting Unnecessary Words]]. They pointed out some edits where the accounts restore edits that had been originally made by one of the other accounts and reverted. There is substantial overlap in the articles edited, and the times of editing are nearly identical. Intersection between SubcommandanteM and GoldDragon:[http://toolserver.org/~pietrodn/intersectContribs.php?wikiDb=enwiki_p&firstUser=SubcommandanteM&secondUser=GoldDragon]; MaxForce and GoldDragon:[http://toolserver.org/~pietrodn/intersectContribs.php?wikiDb=enwiki_p&firstUser=MaxForce&secondUser=GoldDragon]; SubcommandanteM and MaxForce:[http://toolserver.org/~pietrodn/intersectContribs.php?wikiDb=enwiki_p&firstUser=SubcommandanteM&secondUser=MaxForce] Wikichecker reports:[http://en.wikichecker.com/user/?t=GoldDragon&l=all][http://en.wikichecker.com/user/?t=SubcommandanteM][http://en.wikichecker.com/user/?t=MaxForce] [[User:Fences and windows|<span style="background-color:white; color:red;">Fences</span>]]<span style="background-color:white; color:#808080;">&amp;</span>[[User talk:Fences and windows|<span style="background-color:white; color:black;">Windows</span>]] 22:15, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
:The sudden reappearance of [[User:Deleting Unnecessary Words]], who gave this lead, is odd, thinking about it. I am minded to accept the argument that this was not done with any intent to sockpuppet, though it gave that impression. Could they now be declared as alternate accounts? Undeclared alt accounts ''can'' be used, but not to avoid scrutiny, and not in the same area of editing. Seek help if being hounded by another user. [[User:Fences and windows|<span style="background-color:white; color:red;">Fences</span>]]<span style="background-color:white; color:#808080;">&amp;</span>[[User talk:Fences and windows|<span style="background-color:white; color:black;">Windows</span>]] 02:14, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
 
======<span style="font-size:150%">Comments by other users</span>======
<small>''Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SPI/Guidance#Defending yourself against claims|Defending yourself against claims]].''</small>
 
The other accounts came about because I was consistently being followed by an anon user, 69.159.27.XXX, who kept reverting my edits and never actually adding anything constructively to an article. As that anon user refused to sign up and kept following GoldDragon, I created the other accounts to try to throw that anon off.
 
However, I have never used these multiple accounts to create the perception of different users during an active article dispute, whether to skirt the 3RR or manipulate votes. While I may have edited the same article with different accounts, this was not in any short period of time (once I realized that the other editors rejected the edit due to content and not because of GoldDragon, I backed off). I have not overlapped accounts with an article recently unless it was inadvertent. In particular, I've never used multiple accounts in any disputes against [[User:Viriditas]], therefore that user had no good reason to request an SPI investigation. [[User:GoldDragon|GoldDragon]] ([[User talk:GoldDragon|talk]]) 01:54, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
 
:Not trying to go off on a tangent but [[User:Deleting Unnecessary Words]]'s sudden reappearance [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Deleting_Unnecessary_Words] is really surprising, as I've never had any disputes with that user at all. As for scrutiny, as certain users have reverted my edits without bothering to read the content, that was why I tried an alt account a long time ago. [[User:GoldDragon|GoldDragon]] ([[User talk:GoldDragon|talk]]) 02:58, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
 
::I have had dealings with both of these accounts in the last week. Looking back, I should have known by the fact that both were edit warring with the same IP, at the same time, but I thought I was dealing with two different editors. GoldDragon claims above that ''"I created the other accounts to try to throw that anon off."'' Is this a legitimate way to edit wikipedia? It seems to me that I and quite posibly other editors were duped into thinking we were dealing with two people, when the whole time, it was GoldDragon with multiple accounts. As a legitimate editor trying to help the project, I know that editing can be frustrating at times, but why do we have to put up with stuff like this, that just makes the whole proces even more frustrating? It may not have been GoldDragon's intention to trick anyone other than an IP that he felt was harassing him, but there has to be a better way to deal with the problem than resorting to using sockpuppets. [[User:Cmr08|Cmr08]] ([[User talk:Cmr08|talk]]) 04:14, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
 
:::Sorry if this is getting into too much detail for this discussion, but above GoldDragon mentions that he never used the accounts to give the perception of different users. If it turns out that that [[User:SubcommandanteM]] is indeed GoldDragon, this edit summary may contridict the above statement. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=York_Regional_Road_71&diff=prev&oldid=312645829 dif] [[User:Cmr08|Cmr08]] ([[User talk:Cmr08|talk]]) 06:04, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
::::I think the most troubling and telling aspect of this case is GoldDragon's statement above (emphasis added): "I have not overlapped accounts with an article '''recently'''". [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:36, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
 
======<span style="font-size:150%">Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments</span>======
GoldDragon and MaxForce are {{confirmed}}. SubcommandanteM is {{staleip}}; that will need to be determined solely on behavioral evidence. –[[User talk:MuZemike|MuZemike]] 22:22, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
*{{adminnote}} So I've indef blocked and tagged the sockpuppet, and I've blocked GoldDragon for 2 weeks for sockpuppeting. I too find the comments about not socking recently to be troubling. As to the stale account, I've tagged it as being a possible sock, but I'm not going to block it just yet. However, feel free to relist if it becomes active again. — [[User:HelloAnnyong|'''<span style="color: #aaa">Hello</span><span style="color: #666">Annyong</span>''']] <sup>[[User talk:HelloAnnyong|(say whaaat?!)]]</sup> 13:37, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
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