Talk:Lunamaria Hawke

Love interests

In the start of the series she was feeling towards Athrun, She loves him but he no, But after he defected she wasn't feeling the same as before, She start getting close to Shinn as possible and so, She still feels something towards Athrun...Maybe she likes him as a friend or her commander but in the lasy battle she fought him and tried to hit him because she blame him for what happened to her sister, I can't see how she loves Athrun after that not that she hates him but not for a limit for being her love interest, I don't know why some guys trying to add that Athrun is her love interest with Shinn, Also I want to add that Special Edition is a retcoon for the series and the writer/director are trying as hard as they can to make the relationship between Shinn and Luna is a normal relationship based on love, Not a strange one like what happened in the series(I mean how it started), They want to make the both feeling something towards the other or at least Luna having that feelings.

Is there any reason for stating that Athrun is her love interest. Then say it here.Astrys 12:42, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

She deliberately spends a lot of time with Athrun and she gets very jealous when she think Athrun's had sex with 'Lacus'.Edward321 15:21, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

And she deliberately gets close to Shinn is ep38 and acts in a strange way, and moved her head to kiss him, Even is she spends more time with Athrun but without a kiss or even a hug, But in 12 episodes with Shinn you know what happened, Also Special Edition is a retcoon for the series and Fukuda is deliberately trying to make a more believable and closer relationship between them, And you know that Luna had no such feelings of love towards Athrun in SE, Sorry but if you are a fan of both Athrun and Luna and trying to make such a sense of love between them...That's not the right place...Sorry again but the series and Special editions describe more and are more better as a fact than us, It would be enough for fans that Luna's

Love Interest: Shinn Asuka

Hero Crash: Athrun Zala

It would be fair and enough, Sorry again.Astrys 00:08, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Level of on screen physical intimacy is not proof or disproof of love, otherwise Kira-Fllay is the only real couple in the series. And physical intimacy is rather unlikely when the affection is one-sided as it obviously is in this instance. I have not seen Special Edition, but even if it retconned away all instances of Luna's interest in Athrun (which I doubt) that would not change that Luna was interested in Athrun throughout the first half of the series. Let me also note my stance has nothing to do with being a fan of Athrun-Luna - it was obviously one-sided and Luna had fallen for Shinn before the end of the series. But that doesn't mean Luna was never attracted to Athrun. Edward321 14:35, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

You said it "She was interested in Athrun" That was from the past in the first half of the series but in the 2nd half it's changed she is on love with Shinn, Also Special Edition retcoon what happened in the series, In TV series first half Luna was attracted to Athrun very much and in the same time has no feelings towards Shinn more than a fellow, But SE tries to create some interest between Shinn and Luna from the start and little feelings to Athrun, Because they know how stupid and strange the relationship between Shinn and Luna Started in TV series, Well and you must know that having some feelings or some interest or being attracted =/= love interest, The feelings of Luna to Athrun wasn't developed into a Love(Love Interest) because Athrun never cares about her but in Shinn's case it was developed to a strange love because as I think Shinn was a bit jealous from Athrun but the fans of a couple Luna and Shinn don't like that, So the director and the writer wants to make a clear and more better way to start their relationship by focusing on both from the start, Also I'm not saying that Luna has no such of feelings to Athrun in SE, All what I mean is that SE is a retcoon of the series and Luna hasn't that big attract and cares a lot about Athrun but she still thinks that Athrun is that nice, gentle, ... and the commander rather she has some feelings to Shinn.Astrys 00:27, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

You appear to be defining Love Interest differently than the majority of pages on Wikipedia. Athrun does not have to return Luna's feelings for her to be interested in him. You yourself say she is still shown as having an interest in Athrun in SE, thus Athrun Zala is Luna's love interest.Edward321 01:18, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Then your logic says: If a girl is a fan of a popular guy then she is a Love Interest of him, Oh you mean that Every fangirl for Athrun takes him as her love interest Oh please your logic is wrong, Even if Luna still has a pit of interest to Athrun in SE it's not a love, how many time I need to say for you that Fan,Interest =/= LOVE.

Oh I guess there are over 100 women in Plant who is a Fan for Dullindal so Dullindal is there Love Interest...please think again.Astrys 10:35, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

No need to be insulting. Your examples of fangirls and hypothetical characters who never appear in the series are irrelevant. Edward321 15:52, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Fine, But your logic is wrong, Luna didn't ever acted in the first part of the series as she loves Athrun, She acted like any fangirl of him, If she was a bit interested on him in SE like any fangirl "OH...He is a nice guy" that doesn't prove that she loves him, How many time I need to tell you that Interest =/= love.Astrys 22:37, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Lunamaria seems to have a relationship with Athrun, like she is a fangirl, similar to Meer Campbell, and is infatuated rather than a regular love interest. So otherwise, she seems just to have a crush on Athrun, (in the first half of GS)Musicalmelodygirl 09:14, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

My opinion is, there is no point in this at all. Who she likes or love is pretty much speculation and unless there are official sources stating her relationship, it should not be written when in doubt and no consenses could be made. And according to the character relationship graph of the Seed-Destiny official data file No. 2(which is the relationship of the characters in the second quater of the series) Lunamaria's arrow pointing to Athrun have the word 好意 on it, which means she got some good feeling for him, interested. However, it is different from the arrow pointing Melin to Athrun, which is 憧れ (Something like Person of her dreams, not limiting to love interest but also can be someone she respects). And very, I mean, VERY different from the arrow pointing from Mia, which got the word 好意, but also with a big heart on top of the words. And Cagali, having 好き(love/like) with a heart. I will post the picture of that graph if anyone want to have actual proof, but I am too lazy to do so now as nobody is asking for it, yet. MythSearcher 07:49, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

P.S. Forgot to sya, in the data file No. 1, Cagali's arrow to Athrun is two headed with the words Lovers and a heart on it and Lunamaria's arrow to Athrun is just the same as Rey and Neo, 気になる　something like concern. MythSearcher

Interesting and thanks for the info. For contrast, does this chart show any arrows between Luna and Shinn and if so, what sort of notation is on them? Also, are there comparable charts for the third and fourth quarters of the series? Edward321 05:07, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

The arrows between them is 仲間 meaning something like friends/teammates. I think the chart in the official data file No. 3 and 4 will be different. The one on 4 I fore see it being lovers, but I do not have a copy of those, yet.

Side note, the reason of Athrun and Cagali broke apart is because fukuda(the director) and the voice actress of Cagali had some kind of argument and fukuda is just so unprofessional that he insisted in changing the story to make Cagali appearance minimal and have no need to use the voice actress anymore. (so basically he fired the voice actress by eliminating the job vacancy instead of actually firing her, which he has no power in.) MythSearcher 07:27, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Hm, could you tell us your source for this? Such a serious accusation shouldn't be just thrown around like nothing. Lunamaria 20:56, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Tried to change 'Love' to 'Love Interests' for consistancy with other Gundam character articles, but it seems to have deleted the line. (It looked fine on 'Show Changes' so I really don't understand. Did not revert who Luna's 'Love Interests' are - I agree with Shinn and am not putting Athrun in again until this can be resolved. Edward321 05:28, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't think Lunamaria has love interest in Athrun, either, she is interested, but I highly doubt it is love since the wordings used in the official files. the third quater and the fourth quater of the series really did not have to much about these love interest stuff other than her loving shinn, Cagali broke up with Athrun and Talia with Dulandal. Fukuda used so much time in showing what happened before rendering the second half of the series with a story less than a quater of the series in the first half. MythSearcher 07:27, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Lunamaria's Personal Views About the War

In my view, Lunamaria Hawke is personally feeling torn and shaken about the war she's fighting in, especially when she's heard about the brutal truth behind every war and conflict, which is passionately and vividly described by Athrun Zala, and she realizes that the cause of Shinn Asuka's mad killing rampage would eventually destroy them all, so she jumps in between Shinn and Athrun, and beg them to stop further fighting. However, Shinn is far too blind with rage, and being haunted by the ghosts of his War-Torn Past (His Tragic Love, Stella Loussier, and his sister, Mayu Asuka); hence, he disregards of Lunamaria's plea, and is about to kill both her and Athrun anyway. Thanks to the intervention of Athrun of turning into SEED Mode, and defeating Shinn's Destiny Gundam, she has been saved by him. Later, I guess she holds a tearful Shinn as she tries to comfort him from the pain and sorrow of his grief. As the Final Plus: The Chosen Future OVA ends, Lunamaria and Shinn hold onto each other as they leave the war memorial of Orb. I guess both realize that it's meaningless to fight a war with blind rage and hatred. Please fix the page's errors asap. Thanks, bye! 16:26:00 2006. 06. 25 (Pacific Standard Time)-- The Professional 00:30, 26 December 2006 (UTC) Chao-Chen(Jack) Lin