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https failure

@Dalba: Citer fails for the https version of this URL. It works for the non-https version.

• https://web.archive.org/web/20121220083825/https://www.ornl.gov/sci/techresources/Human_Genome/medicine/genetherapy.shtml

--Whywhenwhohow (talk) 03:04, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Fixed. Dalba 04:29, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

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@Dalba: Thank you for fixing. Citer appears to be having trouble with other archive.org URLs that use https.

• https://web.archive.org/web/20131203040308/https://ethics.missouri.edu/Gene-Therapy.aspx
• https://web.archive.org/web/20121105033602/https://www.uniqure.com/news/167/182/uniQure-s-Glybera-First-Gene-Therapy-Approved-by-European-Commission.html
• https://web.archive.org/web/20140429053945/https://www.thephysiciansclinic.co.uk/first-gene-therapy-trial-for-heart-failure-begins-in-uk/
• https://web.archive.org/web/20150710014412/https://ir.celladon.com/releasedetail.cfm?releaseid=839474

It displays the message

HTTP error:

One or more of the web resources required to create this citation are not accessible at this moment.

Is it a timing issue where Citer doesn't wait long enough for the results? --Whywhenwhohow (talk) 05:12, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

@Whywhenwhohow I just tested and citer was a able to generate a citation for all of the URLs you just mentioned, which makes me wonder, are you using https://citer.toolforge.org/ or some other URL to access citer? Dalba 09:33, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

I am using https://citer.toolforge.org/ but the results for URLs from archive.org frequently fail. Sometimes it displays that "HTTP error" message immediately and other times it generates a citation. I just tried a different archive.org URL and it failed immediately. I tried

• https://web.archive.org/web/20210201143845/https://www.tga.gov.au/apm-summary/comirnaty

--Whywhenwhohow (talk) 23:24, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Maybe there has been some temporary server issue on archive.org's side. Currently works fine me. Dalba 09:22, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

CDC press

Citer provides the wrong title, date, and language for this CDC press release.

• https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2022/s0105-Booster-Shot.html

--Whywhenwhohow (talk) 05:40, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

References

@Whywhenwhohow Unfortunately CDC is misusing meta tags on their website. The following were found on the mentioned webpage:

<meta property="og:title" content="CDC Newsroom">
<meta property="article:published_time" content="2016-01-01">

Citer is using these tags to generate citation. The language issue seems to have been fixed. Dalba 10:02, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

harv errors

Hi, thanks for creating this tool: I find it immensely useful. However, the shortened refs it has generated for me in the last couple of hours have been giving harv errors; which I find baffling, as I cannot see any errors in the syntax. See for instance Almeida et al, in this revision [1]. Thanks in advance for any assistance. Vanamonde93 (talk) 05:06, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

PS: I would appreciate a ping as and when you can get to this; as I'm primarily active on en.wiki, I may miss a response otherwise. Vanamonde93 (talk) 05:07, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

A followup; I believe the issue in some cases is fixed by manually adding the year to the shortened citation; it appears that while citer is able to extract the date, it isn't incorporating the year into the shortened (sfn) template. If this is true, perhaps it's an easy fix? Vanamonde93 (talk) 17:23, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Fixed Dalba 02:50, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

web resources not available - AWM

Entering the URL https://awm-math.org/awards/awm-birman-research-prize/ generates an error:

HTTP error: One or more of the web resources required to create this citation are not accessible at this moment.

I can certainly browse to the URL. The shorter URL https://awm-math.org/ has the same issue. Turtlens (talk) 16:09, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

Fixed Thanks for reporting the issue. The website uses old SSL methods that are disallowed by recent versions of openssl library and that was causing communication issues. I've changed citer's configuration to allow them. Dalba 15:01, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll try and report the issue to AWM so they can update their SSL library usage. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Turtlens (talk)

In case they need more technical details, this is the error being received on a Debian buster machine:

$ curl https://awm-math.org/
curl: (35) error:141A318A:SSL routines:tls_process_ske_dhe:dh key too small

Dalba 14:16, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Error??

Citer is great. I use it a lot. However, I think this is an error - the book is not Italian.

• Petringa, Maria (2006). Brazzà, a life for Africa (in Italian). Bloomington, IN: AuthorHouse. ISBN 1-4259-1198-6. OCLC 74651678. 

76.14.122.5 19:36, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! You're right. The detected language is incorrect. Citer currently uses the book title to guess the language of the book and in this case it has been wrong. Maybe I should disable this feature for English version since most book sources used in English Wikipedia are in English and it won't matter much if the language parameter is not specified for the few others. I'll keep this in mind and will probably change it in the future if I see more requests like this. ‍Dalba 06:06, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Citer for etwiki

Hey! Citer is working amazingly well. Thank you for putting in the effort to create it!

I was wondering if there would be an option to add wiki specific output format in the near future? Currently Citer is outputting English Wikipedia template syntax (Cite web, Cite journal etc with English parameters). In Estonian Wikipedia for example all the most used citation templates have been translated and have fields mapped to Citoid fields. Basically all English Wikipedia citation template parameters have corresponding parameters in Estonian. Or would this be too complicated to add? Of course we have Citoid configured and working in Visual Editor, but I assume some users would prefer to keep using the wikitext editor and Citer tool for automatic citations. Thanks, Kaniivel (talk) 08:55, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Kaniivel! Thanks for the feedback. Theoretically, if only template name and parameters need translation, it should not be that hard to implement. But is usually more than that; for example different languages use different punctuation or require special formatting for author names, dates, etc. Unfortunately, I don't think I'll be able to dedicate enough time to come up with robust solution for this in the near future. Dalba 05:58, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Date issue

Hi Dalba I wrote about this before... Australian articles (and possibly New Zealand and anywhere where the sun rises earlier than a certain point?) seem to pick up the date a day earlier than the article is dated. I have also noticed recently that when I'm editing in the morning here downunder, the access-date comes up as the earlier date too. Examples on Desperate Measures (2013 Australian TV series). Editing this morning (9 Feb here), it was generating access-date as 8 Feb. It has now clocked over to the 9th. Not terribly serious but thought I may as well report it. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 00:11, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Laterthanyouthink. Citer uses Toolforge's server time-zone for access dates which is set to UTC+0. It is possible to change this for each user and adjust according to their computer timezone, but computer clocks are sometimes wrong too for various reasons. I don't think a UTC+0 date is wrong here and as far as I know it is not against Wikipedia's manual of style. Also hiding the user's computer timezone could be considered a feature from a privacy point of view. All of that being said I might consider adjusting the access-dates for user's local time if more users request for it. Thanks for letting me know. Dalba 13:41, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Thanks for the explanation. I'll leave it up to you to do as you think best, or leave as is. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 06:15, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

JSTOR

This tool is so brilliant it can convert this: http://www.jstor.org/stable/20557185 into this:

• Bitel, Lisa (1987). "Sex, Sin, and Celibacy in Early Christian Ireland". Proceedings of the Harvard Celtic Colloquium (Department of Celtic Languages & Literatures, Harvard University) 7: 65–95. ISSN 1545-0155. JSTOR 20557185. Retrieved 2023-03-15. 

It's annoying that JSTOR doesn't provide the DOI, but so be it.

Thank you for your efforts. 76.14.122.5 04:53, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the heartwarming feedback! :) Dalba 06:49, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

publication-place=[Place of publication not identified]

Would it be possible to automatically remove "publication-place=[Place of publication not identified]" from the results? That parameter value pops up fairly often. Here's an example:

Wilde, Geoff; Braham, Michael (1995). Sandgrounders : the complete league history of Southport Football Club. [Place of publication not identified]: Carnegie. ISBN 1-874181-14-4. OCLC 650188009.  76.14.122.5 03:21, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Done Dalba 16:09, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! 76.14.122.5 21:32, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Citer stopped working

Hi Dalba, today I can't your superb CITER to work it gives the message "502 Bad Gateway", some solution? Mcapdevila (talk) 14:40, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi Mcapdevila! Should be fixed now. Thanks for letting me know. Dalba 15:12, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Yes working fine now, thanks a lot, in my name an others from ca.wiki, for the hundreds of references achieved 93.176.134.117 21:35, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Same error for ISBNs only

I'm not able to use citer now for ISBNs. Are others having the same problem? Is this related to citoid temporarily not dropping ISBN support? –SJ talk  17:49, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi SJ, yes, it was related to citoid issue. I have now incorporated a fix to use Google books as an alternative source for ISBNs. It might not be as comprehensive as Citoid/worldcat, but is better than nothing. Also, it might be subject to rate limits of Google APIs and might start to fail if users send too many consecutive requests... It is working for now. Let me know if you see any issues. Dalba 04:48, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Suggestion for improvement

Awesome citer! I love it. I have been using it on the Destruction of the Kakhovka Dam article. The only glitch I’ve noticed is that when I cite a source such as this:

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-june-13-2023

it comes back with a ref that results in a “DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN” error. I then just substitute the correct address in "url=" and the correct title: RUSSIAN OFFENSIVE CAMPAIGN ASSESSMENT, JUNE 13, 2023.

Suggestion for improvement: you add the year to the end of the ref name but I’ve found that this results in duplicate ref names when the same person authors more than one article in that year. I’ve begun to replace the year with the date of the article, so that

<ref name="Melkozerova 2023"> becomes <ref name="Melkozerova 060923">

If you could do this when creating the ref that would eliminate this issue. Again, I just love the citer. It saves me so much work! Swood100 (talk) 21:33, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

I just noticed one other item. When using the CITER for this page:

https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/kakhovka-dam-disaster-responsibility-and-consequences

it came back with a reference containing "date=2023-06-07" whereas the page itself lists a date of "June 14, 2023" and Google in its search results says "6 hours ago". Best regards. Swood100 (talk) 22:14, 14 June 2023 (UTC)