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Category:Agricultural organisations in Australia

Propose renaming Category:Agricultural organisations in Australia to Category:Agricultural organisations based in Australia

Nominator's rationale: Speedy rename (I am orig author and it was created today) Rename to match all other related categories -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 22:26, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:16th-century Palestinian rabbis

Category:16th-century Palestinian rabbis - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Procedural nomination following DRV; I am neutral. The continued existence of this category is contested in that at least one editor has been removing it from articles and it was subsequently deleted as empty. Following a DRV in which this was contested, the matter is brought here for resolution. Arguments about the merits of the category can be found at Category talk:16th-century Palestinian rabbis#Rfc. Sandstein 17:43, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As soon as this category was discovered, I and another editor started discussion with the creator and sole applier of this category on his talkpage (see User_talk:Chesdovi#Question). Afterwards, discussion was opened on the category talkpage (see Category talk:16th-century Palestinian rabbis#Rfc, already linked to by the nominator). The correctness of deleting this category after it had been emptied has been discussed on WP:ANI. Whether or not the Rfc came to a consensus seems to be a matter of opinion. I for one hold that it came to a clear conclusion, not to keep this category. Btw, this is only one of the contested categories: the others, for other centuries, have been deleted and stayed so.

I'd like to stress that these categories were created and populated solely by Chesdovi, who has shown himself to be a pushy and tendentious editor. He has disregarded protests against these categories on both his talkpage and the category talkpage, and continued to populate them while discussion should have shown him the controversy his actions caused. He has clearly failed to show consensus to keep these categories. In addition, he has since been topic banned for a year from all Wikipedia pages connected to the Arab-Israeli conflict (see User_talk:Chesdovi#Topic_ban), arguably including this category and this discussion as well.

In view of the fact that this category exists only for a short time, was never used by other editors, and was contested immediately, and in effect deleted after being empty for over a month, I think that the lack of consensus to have it is the same as a consensus not to create it, and in other words to delete it. In this, procedure should differ from long existing and widely applied categories, where consensus is needed to show that they should be deleted, while this category has still to show its right to existence.

Apart from this procedural argument, there are of course the many arguments brought by various editors on Chesdovi's talkpage and the category talkpage, that all point to one conclusion: to delete this category. My opinion is that these arguments are clear and convincing, and that there is no reason to rehearse them here, rather I think that this nomination should confirm that in view of them, the deletion of this category should be confirmed. Debresser (talk) 18:22, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose deletion. Suggest alternative name of Category:16th-century rabbis of the Southern Levant which is neutral and avoids inflamining national passions. It is also more generous about the geography given that the location shifted over the centuries. Laurel Lodged (talk) 19:50, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Just that this proposal of yours was unanimously rejected (7:0) at Category_talk:Talmud_rabbis_of_the_Land_of_Israel. See there for the reasons. Debresser (talk) 19:59, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

DC group images

Propose renaming Category:LSH images to Category:Legion of Super-Heroes images

Propose renaming Category:Covers from titles related to LSH to Category:Covers from titles related to the Legion of Super-Heroes

Propose renaming Category:JLA images to Category:Justice League images

Propose renaming Category:Covers from titles related to JLA to Category:Covers from titles related to the Justice League

Propose renaming Category:JLU screenshots and pictures to Category:Justice League Unlimited screenshots and pictures

Propose renaming Category:JSA images to Category:Justice Society of America images

Propose renaming Category:Covers from titles related to JSA to Category:Covers from titles related to the Justice Society of America

Propose renaming Category:Covers from titles related to New Gods to Category:Covers from titles related to the New Gods

Propose renaming Category:Covers from titles related to Teen Titans to Category:Covers from titles related to the Teen Titans

Nominator's rationale: Expanding the abbreviations and adding articles as needed. There are multiple Justice Leagues, so I did not add "of America" to the JLA categories. I know Teen Titans is a TV show, but the group definitely takes a "the."-- Mike Selinker (talk) 08:00, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support The names of articles and categories should always (?) match. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:39, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support the acronyms should be expanded. 65.94.47.63 (talk) 01:30, 3 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support - per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (comics) (Noting that Wikipedia:Naming conventions (acronyms) seems to have been merged/redirected.) I agree that "the" should be used in this case for groups. - jc37 03:40, 3 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Captain Marvel

Propose renaming Category:Captain Marvel to Category:Captain Marvel (DC Comics)

Nominator's rationale: There are multiple Captain Marvels, including a major one from Marvel Comics, so this should match the article Captain Marvel (DC Comics). The character started at Fawcett Comics, but has been at DC for 40 years, and is most prominently known as a DC character.-- Mike Selinker (talk) 07:58, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support Articles and categories should always (?) have matching names. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:40, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support highly ambiguous. 65.94.47.63 (talk) 01:31, 3 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Though only to match the article name. I'm leery due to the Fawcett years. - jc37 03:40, 3 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Phelps family

Category:Phelps family - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Delete. There's no Phelps family on Wikipedia. This cat is just a collection of people and things with the name. There's no way to tell if any of these people are actually related as a family. People with the surname are listed here: Phelps (surname). Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 07:18, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This is about the members of the Westeboro Baptist Church, which already has Category:Westboro_Baptist_Church. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:42, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Koavf. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 23:37, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Fooian football manager history templates

Propose renaming

Nominator's rationale: The convention of country-level association football categories is "Foo templates", not "Fooian templates" – see e.g. the subcategories of Category:Country templates and Category:Association football templates by country, or even individual lower-level categories such as Category:England football templates and Category:Netherlands football club templates. The purpose of this is, in part, to avoid ambiguity regarding which word is modified by the demonym. For example, the "English" in Category:English football manager history templates could be interpreted as indicating nationality of the football manager; however, not all managers of English football clubs are themselves English (e.g. Arsenal manager Arsène Wenger). -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 05:53, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Inhabited localities in Russia

Propose renaming Category:Inhabited localities in Russia to Category:Populated places in Russia

Nominator's rationale: Rename. To bring this category in line with the others in Category:Populated places by country. Mlm42 (talk) 05:27, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support per Mlm42. The categories of other countries have been renamed from "Settlements in" but Russia did not have its category named like this, because it conflicted with a specific type of places. With the new system, there is no need anymore for Russia to deviate. Also some subcategories of Category:Inhabited localities in Russia use "populated places" and only one uses "Inhabited localities", namely Category:Set indices on Russian inhabited localities, which should be renamed to Category:Set indices on populated places in Russia. It should be "in Russia", to make clear the items are not ethnicity related, but country related. Bogdan Nagachop (talk) 08:26, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Expressways of Singapore

Rename Category:Expressways of Singapore to Category:Expressways in Singapore

Nominator's rationale: Other countries (10) in Category:Expressways use "in" Hugo999 (talk) 05:08, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Franklin College alumni

Rename Category:Franklin College alumni to Category:Franklin College (Indiana) alumni
Nominators rationale, the later would match the name of the article on the relevant college Franklin College (Indiana). Beyond this the article Franklin College itself is a disambiguation page that lists six institutions on which there are pages in wikipedia that use or have used this name. It is possible there are others.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:02, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming:High-speed railway lines of Fooland to High-speed railway lines in Fooland

Propose renaming

Category:High-speed railways of Austria to Category:High-speed railway lines in Austria

Category:High-speed railway lines of Canada to Category:High-speed railway lines in Canada

Category:High-speed railway lines of France to Category:High-speed railway lines in France

Category:High-speed railway lines of Germany to Category:High-speed railway lines in Germany

Category:High-speed railway lines of Japan to Category:High-speed railway lines in Japan

Category:High-speed railway lines of the United States to Category:High-speed railway lines in the United States

Nominator's rationale: Most of the Category:High-speed railway lines (19) are called “in” (13) with 6 as “of”, and this change will bring them into line, so to speak. Of the Category:Railway lines by country all are called “in” except for the United States, and the American subcategory is of railway companies not lines. Hugo999 (talk) 01:50, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Cardiac procedures and surgery

Propose merging Category:Cardiac procedures and surgery to Category:Cardiac surgery

Nominator's rationale: Brought up on WP:MED. This category seems redundant to the above. Alternatively, we could merge them in the opposite direction. NW (Talk) 00:06, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Alternate proposal - a sort out is definitely needed. I wonder, however, if a merge is the right thing to do. From a Clinical Classification point of view, cardiac surgery and cardiac procedures are both subsets of cardiac interventions. Remove the surgical interventions from Category:Cardiac procedures and surgery and rename it Category:Cardiac procedures. This will allow for procedures such as Cardiac catheterization and Percutaneous coronary intervention to be in an appropriate category without being categorised as surgical. The two categories then end up as sister subcategories of Category:Cardiology. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 10:04, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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 *'''Support''' The names of articles and categories should always (?) match. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯ 20:39, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
 *'''Support''' the acronyms should be expanded. [[Special:Contributions/65.94.47.63|65.94.47.63]] ([[User talk:65.94.47.63|talk]]) 01:30, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
+*'''Support''' - per [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (comics)]] (Noting that [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (acronyms)]] seems to have been merged/redirected.) I agree that "the" should be used '''''in this case''''' for groups. - <b>[[User:Jc37|jc37]]</b> 03:40, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
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 *'''Support''' Articles and categories should always (?) have matching names. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯ 20:40, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
 *'''Support''' highly ambiguous. [[Special:Contributions/65.94.47.63|65.94.47.63]] ([[User talk:65.94.47.63|talk]]) 01:31, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
+*'''Support''' - Though only to match the article name. I'm leery due to the Fawcett years. - <b>[[User:Jc37|jc37]]</b> 03:40, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 ==== Category:Phelps family ====