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=== Chapter funding discussion hits public forum === |
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After the Board of the Trustees last week published a letter threatening to withdraw direct funding from those chapters that did not conform to a number of criteria including expectations on transparency, most discussion was on the internal-l mailing list, a private list now used for WMF-chapter communications. The news came just weeks after new |
After the Wikimedia Board of the Trustees last week published [[m:Wikimedia Board of Trustees letter regarding fundraising accountability|a letter]] threatening to withdraw direct funding from those chapters that did not conform to a number of criteria including expectations on transparency, most discussion was on the internal-l mailing list, a private list now used for WMF-chapter communications (see also [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2011-08-08/News and notes#Board officers announced, letter on chapter funding|last week's "News and notes"]]). The news came just weeks after [[m:Fundraising 2011/Chapters/Fundraising Agreement|new fundraising agreements]] had been signed with [[m:Tracking progress for 2011 chapters' fundraiser and reporting|several chapters]], which required them to submit a budget to the WMF to have access to the funds required. [http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/244547 According to Wikimedia David Gerard], "quite a lot" of chapters complained about features of the letter, whilst none had enthusiastically welcomed it. This week the discussion spilled over into the public mailing list foundation-l, opening it up to the wider Wikimedian community, who responded with a number of viewpoints. |
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Some were critical of chapters' apparent resistance to the pro-transparency message. "What chapters seem to want is for the WMF to sign over the trademarks they need to do their own fundraising, and then simply hand over a portion of the WMF's own revenue on top of that... there's nothing particularly 'normal' or 'fair' about it" [http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/244492 wrote Kirill Lokshin], an [[WP:ARBCOM|arbitrator]] on the English Wikipedia. [http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/244493 Nawrich agreed] that the Foundation's position was understandable, noting that it had responsibilities to donors, add that "any misuse of funds by a chapter using Wikimedia marks would reflect back on the Foundation" anyway. "At least criteria are to be put in place now than never. For chapters in |
Some were critical of chapters' apparent resistance to the pro-transparency message. "What chapters seem to want is for the WMF to sign over the trademarks they need to do their own fundraising, and then simply hand over a portion of the WMF's own revenue on top of that... there's nothing particularly 'normal' or 'fair' about it" [http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/244492 wrote Kirill Lokshin], an [[WP:ARBCOM|arbitrator]] on the English Wikipedia. [http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/244493 Nawrich agreed] that the Foundation's position was understandable, noting that it had responsibilities to donors, add that "any misuse of funds by a chapter using Wikimedia marks would reflect back on the Foundation" anyway. "At least criteria are to be put in place now than never. For chapters in |
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=== Guerrilla Skepticism on Wikipedia? === |
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At [[The Amaz!ng Meeting]] 2011 (an annual US conference on science, skepticism, and atheism), Susan Gerbic gave a talk on "guerrilla skepticism on Wikipedia and how important that is as skeptics for us to get the message out there" —oh dear. "Its not vandalism, which it kinds of sounds like, because we are totally following the rules" she said. Not vandalism? True. But, following the rules? Not so much that either. |
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Whats really strange is that as an atheist skeptic myself I have found our content to be pretty inline with my world views. It was my understanding that the hardcore atheist POV camp was one of the strongest and most institutionalized onwiki, but Gerbic described the "skeptical content" on Wikipedia as "not very good". |
Whats really strange is that as an atheist skeptic myself I<--who?--> have found our content to be pretty inline with my world views. It was my understanding that the hardcore atheist POV camp was one of the strongest and most institutionalized onwiki, but Gerbic described the "skeptical content" on Wikipedia as "not very good". |
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Well, its better than guerrilla creationism. Maybe we will be able to get some new contributors out of this and reform them —otherwise be on the watch for suspicious editing activity on the skeptical articles font. |
Well, its better than guerrilla creationism. Maybe we will be able to get some new contributors out of this and reform them —otherwise be on the watch for suspicious editing activity on the skeptical articles font. |
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Chapter funding discussion hits public forum
After the Wikimedia Board of the Trustees last week published a letter threatening to withdraw direct funding from those chapters that did not conform to a number of criteria including expectations on transparency, most discussion was on the internal-l mailing list, a private list now used for WMF-chapter communications (see also last week's "News and notes"). The news came just weeks after new fundraising agreements had been signed with several chapters, which required them to submit a budget to the WMF to have access to the funds required. According to Wikimedia David Gerard, "quite a lot" of chapters complained about features of the letter, whilst none had enthusiastically welcomed it. This week the discussion spilled over into the public mailing list foundation-l, opening it up to the wider Wikimedian community, who responded with a number of viewpoints.
Some were critical of chapters' apparent resistance to the pro-transparency message. "What chapters seem to want is for the WMF to sign over the trademarks they need to do their own fundraising, and then simply hand over a portion of the WMF's own revenue on top of that... there's nothing particularly 'normal' or 'fair' about it" wrote Kirill Lokshin, an arbitrator on the English Wikipedia. Nawrich agreed that the Foundation's position was understandable, noting that it had responsibilities to donors, add that "any misuse of funds by a chapter using Wikimedia marks would reflect back on the Foundation" anyway. "At least criteria are to be put in place now than never. For chapters in good order they should not be an issue" wrote FT2.
There was also sympathy for the chapters. "Being on the board of a small nonprofit organization is both incredibly fun and rewarding and also totally not fun and thankless" (commented Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales. WMAU member John Vandenberg had numbers to show that chapters were influential in driving fundraising (and hence in supporting the Foundation itself), wrote David Gerard. WMUK member Chris Keating and French Wikimedian Anthere agreed with the sentiment that chapters were very valuable institutions both in terms of fundraising and their ability to provide "local partnerships with institutions they know about". Likewise, Jimmy Wales added that he believes chapters should be "innovative, creative, and independent".
As a result, some of the pro-Chapter support spilled over into direct criticism of the board's methods, if not their aims. For example, Gerard described the letter and its aftermath as representing "a potentially catastrophic failure of volunteer liaison". BirgitteSB http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/244569 went further], suggesting that attempts to centralise control over chapters could suppress their diversity. Among the solutions suggested were "a simple and non-controlling framework of accountability and responsibility" (Jimmy Wales) and a "well-developed grants program" that would prioritise the retention of low overheads.
Guerrilla Skepticism on Wikipedia?
At The Amaz!ng Meeting 2011 (an annual US conference on science, skepticism, and atheism), Susan Gerbic gave a talk on "guerrilla skepticism on Wikipedia and how important that is as skeptics for us to get the message out there" —oh dear. "Its not vandalism, which it kinds of sounds like, because we are totally following the rules" she said. Not vandalism? True. But, following the rules? Not so much that either.
Whats really strange is that as an atheist skeptic myself I<--who?--> have found our content to be pretty inline with my world views. It was my understanding that the hardcore atheist POV camp was one of the strongest and most institutionalized onwiki, but Gerbic described the "skeptical content" on Wikipedia as "not very good".
Well, its better than guerrilla creationism. Maybe we will be able to get some new contributors out of this and reform them —otherwise be on the watch for suspicious editing activity on the skeptical articles font.
News in brief
- Personal image referendum set to begin: The start of the vote on the movement-wide opt-in image filter, originally scheduled for last friday but delayed for technical reasons, is set to begin on 15 August. Details are available, as are Frequently Asked Questions. The proposal is the result of a previous study into controversial content on Wikimedia sites and results will be published on September 1.
- The Best of Chapters In sharp contrast to this week's controversy surrounding chapter funding, Dutch Wikimedian Lodewijk published his slides from a Wikimania presentation on "Wikimedia Chapters and some of their coolest activities", with the video of his presentation expected shortly.
- New issue of The Bugle: The latest issue of the widest-read WikiProject newsletter, WikiProject Military history's The Bugle, was published this week. Among content of interest to non-members is an op-ed encouraging editors to run for RFA by WereSpielChequers. He writes: "in my experience if you are a content contributor and have a year or so of block free activity, have done enough vandal fighting or newpage patrolling for people to see you either understand when someone should be blocked or when an article should be deleted then RFA isn't really that hard."
- Wikimania praised: Praise for the organising team behind Wikimania 2011 continued to come in, including a message of thanks from WMF Executive Director Sue Gardner, who described the conference as "beautifully managed and enormously fun" (foundation-l mailing list).
Discuss this story
Thank you for your frankness. My agenda is obvious, I want to improve pages, reflecting cited articles that focus on critically thinking about subjects. Many pseudoscience articles rely on vagueness and only giving a slight nod to anything that is factual. I'm thinking about the blog I published last night on psychic Archaeology http://guerrillaskepticismonwikipedia.blogspot.com/2011/08/psychic-archaeology-on-wikipedia.html as a great example.
I also advocate that the pages of our spokespeople are clearly lacking. I do not want to cover up anything negative (see Brian Dunning (skeptic) for a great example of leaving negative where it was put. I know that Wikipedia is the single most important tool readers have to understand the world around them. When they are searching for one of our spokespeople, we need to make sure we have their backs, and frankly I do think that overall our representation is horrible. I wish that wasn't so, but with a few exceptions of the really popular people we have mostly stubs representing us. Shame!
As far as your assertion that I am not "following the rules" I would like to see that clarified so it can be discussed. Maybe I am doing something wrong but until I know what that is I can't change my behavior. I'm a self taught editor learning as I go. I'm passing on my thoughts, frustrations and tips to people on a blog (off-site Wikipedia) and hoping for help from others.
I look forward to your comments.
Sgerbic (talk) 16:00, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I fail to understand how removing bias on pages promoting pseudoscience by introducing a balanced POV is not following the rules. In fact, it is desired by Wikipedia. Yes, this makes some topics more controversial and targets for cultish editing to remove such balanced POV, but this is nothing new to Wikipedia and an ongoing battle. --FreedominThought (talk) 18:47, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
See Inteligent Design for an article that is completely dominated by a clique of self-righteous skeptics. You can hurt the project while still "following rules": The regulars there preferred to have the article to loose it's Good Article status than fix balance the coverage. The article should be about a concept, but it's actually about a legal case in the U.S.. --damiens.rf 17:31, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"Following the rules" is neither necessary nor sufficient for the purposes of Wikipedia. The goal is to produce encyclopaedic articles, not to push the agenda of either "true believers" or "skeptics". For this reason the balance will vary from article to article, a comprehensive description of an "alternative system of medicine" for example, might be extensively citable, while there may be very little citable either supporting or opposing the treatments, and if there were it might well be better spun out as a separate article. The dangers of public calls to action, however well intentioned, are something that Wikipedia has been subject too many times and has, so far as we know, weathered, but not without creating a lot of needless conflict. Rich Farmbrough, 17:40, 16 August 2011 (UTC).[reply]
Delayed response, but while I do agree that parts of the Psychic archaeology article could be written more bluntly ("The problem with psychic archaeology is that it has no verified accomplishments"), I think you're a little harsh on the article as a whole. The dowsing section has to give how dowsing works *according to the theory of the dowsers*. It doesn't help to add "and this doesn't actually work" every other sentence. This is probably more clear if you think of articles on old scientific theories that have been surpassed; it's entire legitimate to talk about "when the four humors are out of balance, the easiest way to restore them is to drain away the excessive humor, such as via leeches to the blood." We know that this isn't very helpful these days, and when leeching is helpful it's not for the claimed reasons, but in an article on the four humors, Wikipedia should present what practitioners believed and how they applied the system. Same here; let dowsing theory stand on its own, then mention in the lede and in the Validity section that it doesn't work. SnowFire (talk) 23:14, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Chapter funding
I think the phrase "threatening to withdraw direct funding" is a bit inaccurate and may reflect, or seem to reflect, a particular point of view on the issue that isn't shared by everyone (including, I'm sure, the Board itself). While the letter suggests that some chapters may not be able to participate in the fundraiser itself, I'm not sure I'd characterise it as a "threat"; additionally, substituting grant funding for fundraiser participation is still "direct" funding of a sort, and the affected chapters could still solicit and receive funding in other ways. Nathan T 20:03, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
LDS
WP has both a standard style guide (wp:MOSLDS) and a naming convention (wp:NCLDS) for how to appropriately describe the Latter Day Saint movement; how is it that this article could get that most basic element so wrong? You could have said "...elements of the Latter Day Saint movement have said they..." or "...elements of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (LDS Church) have said they..." and been more correct, but the existing wording is simply wrong. Since the Church News article was about a presentation given at a Foundation for Apologetic Information & Research (FAIR) conference, it would have been even more accurate to characterize the comments as coming from that group, since there is no official connection between FAIR and the LDS Church. We also have an existing article on Church News, so a wikilink on it would have been useful for readers to understand what that publication is. -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 20:37, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]