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Dobro došli! Na ovim stranicama bilo tko može podnijeti, čitati, i komentirati konkretne podatke vezane uz moguće upitne sadržaje članaka hrvatske Wikipedije, te uz postupak njihova uređivanja. Molimo pažljivo pročitajte i slijedite donje upute. Molimo posjetite stranicu o postupanju ako želite podnijeti, čitati, ili komentirati podatke vezane uz postupanje pojedinih suradnika prema ostalima na hrvatskoj Wikipediji. Molimo posjetite stranicu za razgovor ako imate bilo kakvih pitanja, ili ako želite raspraviti bilo koju značajku skupljanja podataka o sadržaju članaka hrvatske Wikipedije.

Instructions - Upute

General instructions - Opće upute

Languages These pages are bilingual, in English and Croatian. If you can, please enter your submissions and comments in English, so they are comprehensible to the wider Wikimedia community. However, if you are not sufficiently fluent in English, feel free to use Croatian or any Wikipedia language closely related to Croatian. Please use Latin script exclusively. Identity You are free to contribute anonymously. Please sign and date your contributions with your user name or IP address by using four tildes: ~~~~. Sorted submissions Every submission consists of a label indicating what is being documented (Content); at least one piece of explicit supporting information (a link to a page version, a version diff, or a article patrol log); a brief description; user or IP address signature and date, as above. Please feel free to use one of the outlines or existing submissions as a guide, simplifying it or elaborating it to fit your needs. Please sort your submissions by article title, and add them to the appropriate subsections under "Sorted submissions". If a subsection with the appropriate article title does not exist, please feel free to create it. Comments Comments follow each submission in the "Sorted submissions" section. The purpose of the comments is to gather a full range of opinions on the information submitted. It is a survey, not a vote. An example of a similar survey on English Wikipedia can be found here. Feel free to comment on any submission, or to respond directly to an existing comment by indenting your reply just below it. Please keep in mind that brief, on-topic comments are the most informative. Unsorted submissions If you do not have explicit information about your submission, but have its description or a link to a media report you believe is relevant, please add it to the "Unsorted submissions" section. This section serves as a record of reports that could potentially lead to identifying specific instances of questionable content. Request The only page edits we will delete are outright vandalism. However, your contributions will be the most constructive if you hold to the basic guidelines of Wikipedia: assume good faith, Wikipedia is not a soapbox, Wikipedia is not a battleground. Many thanks!

Jezici Ove stranice su dvojezične, na engleskom i hrvatskom. Ako možete, molimo Vas unosite podneske i komentare na engleskome, kako bi ih razumijela šira zajedica Wikimedije. Međutim, ako ne vladate engleskim jezikom u dovoljnoj mjeri, slobodno se koristite hrvatskim ili bilo kojim Wikipedijinim jezikom blisko srodnim hrvatskome. Molimo Vas koristite isključivo latinično pismo. Identitet Slobodno doprinosite ovoj stranici anonimno. Molimo potpišite Vaše doprinose suradničkim imenom ili IP adresom, te datumom, pomoću četiri tilde: ~~~~. Razvrstani podnesci Svaki podnesak treba sadržavati oznaku koja opisuje što se dokumentira (provjeravanja članaka); barem jedan konkretan popratni podatak (poveznica na inačicu stranice, na razliku između inačica, ili na evidenciju naslovima članaka); kratak opis; potpis suradnika ili IP adrese, s datumom, vidi gore. Slobodno iskoristite skice ili postojeće podneske kao smjernice, te ih pojednostavite ili razradite po potrebi. Molimo razvrstajte podneske po naslovom članka, te ih dodajte u odgovarajuće pododjeljke pod "Razvrstani podnesci". Ako pododjeljak s odgovarajućim sadržaje ne postoji, slobodno ga započnite. Komentari Komentari slijede svaki podnesak u odjeljku "Razvrstani podnesci". Svrha komentara je sakupljanje punog raspona mišljenja o podnesenim podacima. Ona je anketa, a ne glasovanje. Primjer slične ankete na engleskoj Wikipediji možete naći ovdje. Slobodno komentirajte svaki podnesak, ili izravno odgovorite na postojeći komentar tako da umetnete odgovor odmah ispod njega. Molimo imajte na umu da su sažeti komentari koji se drže teme najinformativniji. Nerazvrstani podnesci Ako nemate konkretne podatke o Vašem podnesku, ali imate njegov opis ili poveznicu na napis u medijima koji smatrate bitnim, molim Vas dodajte ga u odjeljak "Nerazvrstani podnesci". Taj odjeljak služi kao spremište napisa koji bi mogli pomoći u identificiranju konkretnih primjera upitnih {{{11}}}. Molba S ovih stranica brisat ćemo samo očigledan vandalizam. Međutim, Vaši doprinosi biti će najkonstruktivniji ako se držite osnovnih smjernica Wikipedije: pretpostavite dobru namjeru, Wikipedija nije govornica, Wikipedija nije bojište. Hvala lijepa!

Information about content - Podaci o sadržaju

The purpose of information about content is to assist in evaluating the allegations that the articles on Croatian Wikipedia have been edited in a systematically biased manner in the period leading up to the recent media coverage. Such information may include: Evidence of potentially biased article content; Evidence that allegedly biased content was repeatedly checked and approved; Evidence that attempts to improve such content were prevented: reverted without proper discussion, valid arguments for the edit discounted, or edit access limited; Potentially one-sided statements on talk pages that could have contributed to the bias of article content. If article content was influenced by potentially unfair or abusive conduct, please also submit it to the conduct page.

Svrha podataka o sadržaju jest da služe pri ocjeni navoda da su članci hrvatske Wikipedije uređivani na sistematski pristran način do nedavnih napisa u medijima. Takvi podaci npr. uključuju Evidenciju potencijalno pristranih sadržaja članaka; Evidenciju da je navodno pristran sadržaj više puta provjeren i odobren; Evidenciju da su pokušaji da se takav sadržaj popravi spriječeni: vraćeni bez prikladne rasprave, valjani argumenti za uređivanje odbijeni, odnosno pristup uređivanju članka ograničen; Potencijalne jednostrane izjave na stranicama za razgovor koje su doprinijele pristranosti sadržaja članka. Ako je na sadržaj članka utjecalo moguće nepravedno ili napadačko postupanje, molimo to navedite također i na stranici o ponašanju.

Submission outlines - Skice podnesaka

Please feel free to simplify or elaborate these outlines to fit your needs.

Slobodno pojednostavite ili razradite ove skice prema potrebi.

1. Content - Sadržaj

   Info: Article title - Naziv članka; POV part - Dio koji je pristran; Period online - Razdoblje od-do

   Patrol log - Evidencija provjeravanja; Who entered the text - Tko je unio tekst

   Description: (more information about the content, such as why it is POV, and whether anyone tried to change it - dodatni podaci o sadržaju, npr. zašto je pristran i je li ga netko pokušao promijeniti)

1. Edit reversion - Poništavanje uređivanja

   Info: Article title - Naziv članka; Who edited - Tko je unio promjenu; Who reverted the edit - Tko je poništio promjenu; Date - Datum

   Diff showing the reversion - Razlika između inačica koja pokazuje poništavanje; Reason for reversion - Razlog vraćanja inačice

   Description: (more information about the reversion, such as why it is POV, what happened in the discussion, and what followed afterward - dodatni podaci o poništavanju uređivanja, npr. zašto je pristrano, što se dogodilo u raspravi, te što je uslijedilo)

1. Edit limitation - Ograničenje uređivanja

   Info: Article title - Naziv članka; Sysop name - Ime admina; Date - Datum

   Diff showing edit limitation - Razlika između inačica koja pokazuje ograničenje uređivanja; Reason for limitation - razlog ograničenja

   Description: (more information about the edit limitation, such as why it is POV, and what followed afterward - dodatni podaci o ograničenju uređivanja, npr. zašto je pristrano i što je uslijedilo)

1. Talk page comment - Komentar na stranici za raspravu

   Info: Article title - Naziv članka; User name - Ime suradnika; Date - Datum

   Comment record (diff or link) - Komentar (razlika između inačica ili poveznica)

   Description: (more information about the comment, such as why it is POV, and what followed afterward - dodatni podaci o komentaru, npr. zašto je pristran i što je uslijedilo)

Sorted submissions - Razvrstani podnesci

Istospolni brak

1. Content - Sadržaj

   Info: Istospolni brak (Same-sex marriage), article title changed to "Brak i istospolnost" ("Marriage and homosexuality") on 2013-05-29

   diff by Suradnik:SpeedyGonsales

   Description: changed the title of the article into "Marriage and homosexuality", as in that gay marriage only has an appearance of marriage, which made Croatian Wikipedia the only Wikipedia out of some 40 different languages with that aritifical title that disputes its existence. --Seiya (talk) 12:08, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Mile Budak

1. Content - Sadržaj

   Info: Mile Budak, entire section "Političar", text survived with minor changes from article creation in 2004 to 2013-09-20

   patrol log, originally entered by Suradnik:Mir Harven;

   Description: Right-wing POV op-ed apology for a co-author of NDH racial laws^[1][2] and an outspoken advocate of Serb genocide.^[3] The section was removed only after its screenshot appeared on a Facebook page.

   Multiple attempts to remove or tag as POV reversed. For example this, a relatively modest attempt to make the section more neutral, with an attempt to discuss it at the talk page after it was reversed twice without explanation, was met by freezing the article and a heavy-handed response by Suradnik:SpeedyGonsales. Quotes: "removing content [which was unsourced in the first place] without explaining why is vandalism," "edit comments are not a venue for user communication." The argument boils down to claiming that whatever is already in place and cannot be proven false -- which is true by default for arbitrary statements of opinion that largely comprise this section -- remains there forever. Miranche (talk) 05:08, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Split Pride

1. Edit reversion - Poništavanje uređivanja

   Info: Split Pride, edited by Suradnik:109.245.73.35, reverted by Suradnik:Zeljko on 2013-08-12

   diff; no reason given, editor's comments deleted

   Description: Deleted references about prominent religious figures calling for and justifying violence against LGBT persons; references to reputable sources in the diff. Blatant POV exclusion of encyclopedic content harmful to the en:Catholic Church Miranche (talk) 05:02, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Rodne studije

1. Content - Sadržaj

   Info: Rodne studije (Gender studies), article titled "Rodna ideologija" ("Gender ideology") from creation to 2013-09-20

   title change diff, originally entered by anonymous

   Description: en:Gender studies - "translated" into "Gender ideology" on Croatian Wikipedia.

2. Talk page comment - Komentar na stranici za raspravu

   Info: Rodna ideologija ("Gender ideology"), comment by Suradnik:SpeedyGonsales on 2013-06-04

   Description: He locked and refused that the article can be renamed in accordance with its official name. His comment: "That's an ideology, how good or bad, that's still not known today, but that it is aggressive, i.e. destructive towards the social categories of today - that is a fact." [4]. This means that out of 20 different language Wikipedias, the Croatian one is the only one with that artificial title that disputes its existence. --Seiya (talk) 12:08, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

U ime obitelji

1. Content - Sadržaj

   Info: U ime obitelji ("In the name of the Family", an anti-LGBT organization that wants to restrict marriage only to a man and a woman)

   edit by Suradnik:SpeedyGonsales on 2013-05-29

   Description: he changed a sentence that says "Croatia would join numerous other countries..." into "Croatia would join countries of the Western civilization (Poland, Hungary, Bulgaria, Latvia...) ...that defined marriage as a union between a man and a woman by constitution" --Seiya (talk) 12:08, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Unsorted submissions - Nerazvrstani podnesci

(information on questionable content or editing for which explicit details have yet to be found, such as media reports)

(podaci o upitnom sadržaju ili uređivanju za koje konkretne detalje tek treba pronaći, npr. napisi u medijima)

• Stupor Mundi: Case study: kvaliteta članka sa ranosrednjovjekovnom tematikom na hrvatskoj Wikipediji (blog post); Unexplained reversions of well-sourced changes by a knowledgeable contributor in the articles on Croatian en:Early Middle Ages. Miranche (talk) 05:02, 18 September 2013 (UTC)