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These are quotes from some deletionists and my arguements. If you'd like to comment, please do so. Thanks. |
These are quotes from some deletionists and my arguements. If you'd like to comment, please do so, but make it '''bold'''. Thanks. |
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*''Wikipedia is not a junkyard'', counter to the inclusionist quote, ''Wikipedia is not paper''. --[[User:Pgunn|Improv]] 06:05, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC) |
*''Wikipedia is not a junkyard'', counter to the inclusionist quote, ''Wikipedia is not paper''. --[[User:Pgunn|Improv]] 06:05, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC) |
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:That's what cleanup is for, not deletion. |
:That's what cleanup is for, not deletion. |
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::Some junkyards can't be cleaned up. |
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:::Split then, not delete. |
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* ''Wikipedia is not /dev/null'' [[User:UninvitedCompany|UninvitedCompany]] 20:19, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC) |
* ''Wikipedia is not /dev/null'' [[User:UninvitedCompany|UninvitedCompany]] 20:19, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC) |
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:Translate please? |
:Translate please? |
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::Only an inclusionist wouldn't understand it. |
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:::Because deletionists use their awkward language(s). Too bad. |
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*''The proliferation of mediocrity is never its own excuse, and the absence of good information does not obviate the need for that information.'' [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 16:55, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC) |
*''The proliferation of mediocrity is never its own excuse, and the absence of good information does not obviate the need for that information.'' [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 16:55, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC) |
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:What??? |
:What??? |
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::Only an inclusionist wouldn't understand it. |
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:::Because deletionists use their awkward language(s). Too bad. |
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*''Wikipedia is not Google'' [[User:Jfdwolff|JFW]][[User_talk:Jfdwolff|<small>T'''@'''lk</small>]] 20:00, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC) |
*''Wikipedia is not Google'' [[User:Jfdwolff|JFW]][[User_talk:Jfdwolff|<small>T'''@'''lk</small>]] 20:00, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC) |
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:Wikipedia should '''replace''' Google. |
:Wikipedia should '''replace''' Google. |
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**Somebody has been [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_not_Google%E2%84%A2 reading my essay] :) -- [[User:Avraham|Avraham]] 14:40, 13 June 2006 (UTC) |
**Somebody has been [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_not_Google%E2%84%A2 reading my essay] :) -- [[User:Avraham|Avraham]] 14:40, 13 June 2006 (UTC) |
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:... |
:... |
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::And keep out all the bad results/articles. |
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:::There is no bad information - use "Inappropriate" instead. Move it then. |
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*''Single-sentence "substubs" do not an encyclopedia entry make.'' Or, if you prefer, ''substubs suck.'' Mediocrity should not be tolerated! - [[User:Lucky 6.9|Lucky 6.9]] 05:51, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC) |
*''Single-sentence "substubs" do not an encyclopedia entry make.'' Or, if you prefer, ''substubs suck.'' Mediocrity should not be tolerated! - [[User:Lucky 6.9|Lucky 6.9]] 05:51, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC) |
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:Well, kill your baby before the baby grows. |
:Well, kill your baby before the baby grows. |
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::Roe v. Wade says we can. |
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:::Why should we follow his/her butt? |
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*''Roses are red/violets are blue/in Soviet Wikipedia/bad article delete you.'' --[[User:Slowking Man|Slowking Man]] |
*''Roses are red/violets are blue/in Soviet Wikipedia/bad article delete you.'' --[[User:Slowking Man|Slowking Man]] |
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:Translate please? |
:Translate please? |
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::Only an inclusionist wouldn't understand. |
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::See: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakov_Smirnov Yakov Smirnoff] |
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:::Because deletionists use their awkward language(s). Too bad. |
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*''Wikipedia is and will always be an encyclopedia. [...] It is not a general base of knowledge.'' - [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] |
*''Wikipedia is and will always be an encyclopedia. [...] It is not a general base of knowledge.'' - [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] |
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:But Jimbo said that Wikipedia should be the sum of total knowledge on the world. |
:But Jimbo said that Wikipedia should be the sum of total knowledge on the world. |
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::That is technically impossible, so we'll be an encyclopedia. |
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:::That is possible. Wikipedia is not a paper. |
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*''Verifiable ≠ Enyclopedic'' [[User:Johnleemk|Johnleemk]] 12:54, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC) |
*''Verifiable ≠ Enyclopedic'' [[User:Johnleemk|Johnleemk]] 12:54, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC) |
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:But Jimbo said that Wikipedia should be the sum of total knowledge on the world. |
:But Jimbo said that Wikipedia should be the sum of total knowledge on the world. |
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::That is technically impossible, so we'll be an encyclopedia. |
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:::That is possible. Wikipedia is not a paper. |
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*''Inclusionism is the easy option.'' [[User:Elf-friend|Elf-friend]] 20:37, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC) |
*''Inclusionism is the easy option.'' [[User:Elf-friend|Elf-friend]] 20:37, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC) |
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:Why choose the harder one? |
:Why choose the harder one? |
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::Path of least resistance makes crooked men and crooked streams. |
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:::Path of most resistance makes minced men, dead editors, mad people... They make people crazy. |
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*''Wikipedia is not toilet paper'', as opposed to the inclusionist quote, ''Wikipedia is not paper''. [[User:165.21.154.111|165.21.154.111]] 08:23, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC) |
*''Wikipedia is not toilet paper'', as opposed to the inclusionist quote, ''Wikipedia is not paper''. [[User:165.21.154.111|165.21.154.111]] 08:23, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC) |
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:So, delete everything till nothing's left. |
:So, delete everything till nothing's left. |
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::So delete the bad stuff till no bad articles are left. |
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:::Not even good ones. |
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*''If in doubt, delete.'' [[User:Erwin Walsh|Erwin Walsh]] |
*''If in doubt, delete.'' [[User:Erwin Walsh|Erwin Walsh]] |
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:...without further thoughts? |
:...without further thoughts? |
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::If you doubt that your spouse loves you, kill. |
::If you doubt that your spouse loves you, kill. |
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:::We have no worries: the lawyers on the Dream Team are all deletionists. |
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::::That's why it's called dream team - everything's only a dream after being deleted. |
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*''Brevity is the soul of wit.'' [[User:HatTrick|HatTrick]] |
*''Brevity is the soul of wit.'' [[User:HatTrick|HatTrick]] |
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:Brevity is the doom of Wikipedia. |
:Brevity is the doom of Wikipedia. |
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::Citation needed. |
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*''Brevity is ... wit.'' [[w:User:Mazin07|Mazin07]] |
*''Brevity is ... wit.'' [[w:User:Mazin07|Mazin07]] |
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:Brevity is ... stub. |
:Brevity is ... stub. |
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::It doesn't have a stub template. |
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*''Wikipedia is not a dumpster'' —attr. [[User:Viajero|Viajero]] |
*''Wikipedia is not a dumpster'' —attr. [[User:Viajero|Viajero]] |
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:Wikipedia shouldn't be EMPTY. It should be full. |
:Wikipedia shouldn't be EMPTY. It should be full. |
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::Of good articles not in need of deletion. |
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:::True enough. |
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*''Better Wikipedia articles through deletionism? '''You bet your sweet ass'''. '' [[User:Deiz|Deiz]] 14:27, 5 March 2006 (UTC) |
*''Better Wikipedia articles through deletionism? '''You bet your sweet ass'''. '' [[User:Deiz|Deiz]] 14:27, 5 March 2006 (UTC) |
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:Are you an inclusionist? |
:Are you an inclusionist? |
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::Are you a deletionist? |
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:I suppose if you're a nihilist and consider nonexistence "Better" |
:::You can predict the answer. No. I suppose if you're a nihilist and consider nonexistence "Better". |
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*''Wikipedia is not Wikipedia --[[User:Ron Ritzman|Ron Ritzman]] 02:25, 25 May 2006 (UTC) |
*''Wikipedia is not Wikipedia --[[User:Ron Ritzman|Ron Ritzman]] 02:25, 25 May 2006 (UTC) |
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:Because deletionists delete everything. |
:Because deletionists delete everything. |
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::Because we miss a small part of inclusionist stuff that needs deleted. |
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*''Famous ≠ Notable'' [[User:Lurker|Lurker]] 14:30, 17 August 2006 (UTC) |
*''Famous ≠ Notable'' [[User:Lurker|Lurker]] 14:30, 17 August 2006 (UTC) |
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:Famous ≈ Notable |
:Famous ≈ Notable |
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::Citation needed. |
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:::WP:N |
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*''Deletion solves all problems. No article, no problem.'' - [[User:Mailer diablo|Mailer Diablo]] 17:40, 5 September 2006 (UTC) |
*''Deletion solves all problems. No article, no problem.'' - [[User:Mailer diablo|Mailer Diablo]] 17:40, 5 September 2006 (UTC) |
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:No article, no problem, no Wikipedia. |
:No article, no problem, no Wikipedia. |
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::Only bad articles have problems. |
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*''Wikipedia is not Chewing Tobacco, and Other Surreal Essays.'' |
*''Wikipedia is not Chewing Tobacco, and Other Surreal Essays.'' |
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:What are you talking about??? |
:What are you talking about??? |
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::Inclusionists wouldn't know. |
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:::Yeah, because it's written in Moron language, a special language for deletionists. |
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*''[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Invasion_of_Naboo&diff=181269177&oldid=181267994 Del Taco. Uh, demeat...baleet...DELETE IT.]'' [[w:User:21655|21655]] 20:04, 1 March 2008 (UTC) |
*''[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Invasion_of_Naboo&diff=181269177&oldid=181267994 Del Taco. Uh, demeat...baleet...DELETE IT.]'' [[w:User:21655|21655]] 20:04, 1 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:Translate this alien language, please. |
:Translate this alien language, please. |
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::Everyone knows it except inclusionists. |
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:::Yeah, because it's written in Moron language, a special language for deletionists. |
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*''Inclusionism is for lazy fatwads.'' [[User:Bsharkey|Bsharkey]] 17:25, 24 May 2008 (UTC) |
*''Inclusionism is for lazy fatwads.'' [[User:Bsharkey|Bsharkey]] 17:25, 24 May 2008 (UTC) |
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:Deletionism is for lazy builders. |
:Deletionism is for lazy builders. |
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::A lazy fatwad is worse than a lazy builder. |
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:::The word "fatwad" doesn't exist. |
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*''Nuke it like a bad Windows installation.'' [[Special:Contributions/75.53.198.187|75.53.198.187]] 19:08, 28 May 2008 (UTC) |
*''Nuke it like a bad Windows installation.'' [[Special:Contributions/75.53.198.187|75.53.198.187]] 19:08, 28 May 2008 (UTC) |
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:Why not try reinstall it? |
:Why not try reinstall it? |
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::Who reinstalls Windows? LINUX!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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:So then how do you still have a PC with which to constrict Wikipedia? |
:::Dreadful... So then how do you still have a PC with which to constrict Wikipedia? I guess something's '''worth saving'''. |
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*''Wikipedia is not the Internet.'' [[User:Kelvinc|Kelvinc]] 04:04, 3 August 2008 (UTC) |
*''Wikipedia is not the Internet.'' [[User:Kelvinc|Kelvinc]] 04:04, 3 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:But Jimbo said that Wikipedia should be the sum of total knowledge on the world. |
:But Jimbo said that Wikipedia should be the sum of total knowledge on the world. |
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::That is technically impossible, so we'll be an encyclopedia. |
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:::That is possible. Wikipedia is not a paper. |
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*''Wikipedia is not just "view article ooh look an edit tab click replace content with KAKAKAKAKAKA click enter admin deletes/reverts it."'' [[Special:Contributions/97.96.166.65|97.96.166.65]] 01:44, 28 September 2008 (UTC) |
*''Wikipedia is not just "view article ooh look an edit tab click replace content with KAKAKAKAKAKA click enter admin deletes/reverts it."'' [[Special:Contributions/97.96.166.65|97.96.166.65]] 01:44, 28 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:That would be vandalism/test edits. Nothing to do with deleting an article. Reverting it would be easier. |
:That would be vandalism/test edits. Nothing to do with deleting an article. Reverting it would be easier. |
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::What if there was nothing good to start with? |
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:::Examples? |
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*''Deletion is the final solution to the extremist (extremely deletionist page-blanking vandals and extremely inclusionist spammers) problem.'' [[User:Alexius08|Alexius08]] 06:58, 20 November 2008 (UTC) |
*''Deletion is the final solution to the extremist (extremely deletionist page-blanking vandals and extremely inclusionist spammers) problem.'' [[User:Alexius08|Alexius08]] 06:58, 20 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:Why not try warning, blocking or page protecting instead? |
:Why not try warning, blocking or page protecting instead? |
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::What if spammers/vandals become admins and then spam/vandalize. |
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:::Spammers and vandals won't likely to pass their RfA/RfB. Don't worry, dear. |
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*''Chuck Norris is a deletionist.'' [[User:Mynameinc|Mynameinc]] 02:15, 30 December 2008 (UTC) |
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:So what? |
Revision as of 09:48, 2 January 2009
These are quotes from some deletionists and my arguements. If you'd like to comment, please do so, but make it bold. Thanks.
The original source is at Association of Deletionist Wikipedians.
This page will be updated often.
Quotes & Arguments
- Wikipedia is not a junkyard, counter to the inclusionist quote, Wikipedia is not paper. --Improv 06:05, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- That's what cleanup is for, not deletion.
- Some junkyards can't be cleaned up.
- Split then, not delete.
- Some junkyards can't be cleaned up.
- Wikipedia is not /dev/null UninvitedCompany 20:19, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- Translate please?
- Only an inclusionist wouldn't understand it.
- Because deletionists use their awkward language(s). Too bad.
- Only an inclusionist wouldn't understand it.
- The proliferation of mediocrity is never its own excuse, and the absence of good information does not obviate the need for that information. Geogre 16:55, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- What???
- Only an inclusionist wouldn't understand it.
- Because deletionists use their awkward language(s). Too bad.
- Only an inclusionist wouldn't understand it.
- Wikipedia should replace Google.
- Somebody has been reading my essay :) -- Avraham 14:40, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
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- And keep out all the bad results/articles.
- There is no bad information - use "Inappropriate" instead. Move it then.
- And keep out all the bad results/articles.
- Single-sentence "substubs" do not an encyclopedia entry make. Or, if you prefer, substubs suck. Mediocrity should not be tolerated! - Lucky 6.9 05:51, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- Well, kill your baby before the baby grows.
- Roe v. Wade says we can.
- Why should we follow his/her butt?
- Roe v. Wade says we can.
- Roses are red/violets are blue/in Soviet Wikipedia/bad article delete you. --Slowking Man
- Translate please?
- Only an inclusionist wouldn't understand.
- Because deletionists use their awkward language(s). Too bad.
- Only an inclusionist wouldn't understand.
- Wikipedia is and will always be an encyclopedia. [...] It is not a general base of knowledge. - Anthony DiPierro
- But Jimbo said that Wikipedia should be the sum of total knowledge on the world.
- That is technically impossible, so we'll be an encyclopedia.
- That is possible. Wikipedia is not a paper.
- That is technically impossible, so we'll be an encyclopedia.
- Verifiable ≠ Enyclopedic Johnleemk 12:54, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- But Jimbo said that Wikipedia should be the sum of total knowledge on the world.
- That is technically impossible, so we'll be an encyclopedia.
- That is possible. Wikipedia is not a paper.
- That is technically impossible, so we'll be an encyclopedia.
- Inclusionism is the easy option. Elf-friend 20:37, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Why choose the harder one?
- Path of least resistance makes crooked men and crooked streams.
- Path of most resistance makes minced men, dead editors, mad people... They make people crazy.
- Path of least resistance makes crooked men and crooked streams.
- Wikipedia is not toilet paper, as opposed to the inclusionist quote, Wikipedia is not paper. 165.21.154.111 08:23, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- So, delete everything till nothing's left.
- So delete the bad stuff till no bad articles are left.
- Not even good ones.
- So delete the bad stuff till no bad articles are left.
- If in doubt, delete. Erwin Walsh
- ...without further thoughts?
- If you doubt that your spouse loves you, kill.
- We have no worries: the lawyers on the Dream Team are all deletionists.
- That's why it's called dream team - everything's only a dream after being deleted.
- We have no worries: the lawyers on the Dream Team are all deletionists.
- If you doubt that your spouse loves you, kill.
- Brevity is the soul of wit. HatTrick
- Brevity is the doom of Wikipedia.
- Citation needed.
- Brevity is ... wit. Mazin07
- Brevity is ... stub.
- It doesn't have a stub template.
- Wikipedia is not a dumpster —attr. Viajero
- Wikipedia shouldn't be EMPTY. It should be full.
- Of good articles not in need of deletion.
- True enough.
- Of good articles not in need of deletion.
- Better Wikipedia articles through deletionism? You bet your sweet ass. Deiz 14:27, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
- Are you an inclusionist?
- Are you a deletionist?
- You can predict the answer. No. I suppose if you're a nihilist and consider nonexistence "Better".
- Are you a deletionist?
- Wikipedia is not Wikipedia --Ron Ritzman 02:25, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
- Because deletionists delete everything.
- Because we miss a small part of inclusionist stuff that needs deleted.
- Famous ≠ Notable Lurker 14:30, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
- Famous ≈ Notable
- Citation needed.
- WP:N
- Citation needed.
- Deletion solves all problems. No article, no problem. - Mailer Diablo 17:40, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
- No article, no problem, no Wikipedia.
- Only bad articles have problems.
- Wikipedia is not Chewing Tobacco, and Other Surreal Essays.
- What are you talking about???
- Inclusionists wouldn't know.
- Yeah, because it's written in Moron language, a special language for deletionists.
- Inclusionists wouldn't know.
- Translate this alien language, please.
- Everyone knows it except inclusionists.
- Yeah, because it's written in Moron language, a special language for deletionists.
- Everyone knows it except inclusionists.
- Inclusionism is for lazy fatwads. Bsharkey 17:25, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
- Deletionism is for lazy builders.
- A lazy fatwad is worse than a lazy builder.
- The word "fatwad" doesn't exist.
- A lazy fatwad is worse than a lazy builder.
- Nuke it like a bad Windows installation. 75.53.198.187 19:08, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
- Why not try reinstall it?
- Who reinstalls Windows? LINUX!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Dreadful... So then how do you still have a PC with which to constrict Wikipedia? I guess something's worth saving.
- Who reinstalls Windows? LINUX!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Wikipedia is not the Internet. Kelvinc 04:04, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- But Jimbo said that Wikipedia should be the sum of total knowledge on the world.
- That is technically impossible, so we'll be an encyclopedia.
- That is possible. Wikipedia is not a paper.
- That is technically impossible, so we'll be an encyclopedia.
- Wikipedia is not just "view article ooh look an edit tab click replace content with KAKAKAKAKAKA click enter admin deletes/reverts it." 97.96.166.65 01:44, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
- That would be vandalism/test edits. Nothing to do with deleting an article. Reverting it would be easier.
- What if there was nothing good to start with?
- Examples?
- What if there was nothing good to start with?
- Deletion is the final solution to the extremist (extremely deletionist page-blanking vandals and extremely inclusionist spammers) problem. Alexius08 06:58, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
- Why not try warning, blocking or page protecting instead?
- What if spammers/vandals become admins and then spam/vandalize.
- Spammers and vandals won't likely to pass their RfA/RfB. Don't worry, dear.
- What if spammers/vandals become admins and then spam/vandalize.
- Chuck Norris is a deletionist. Mynameinc 02:15, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
- So what?