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These are quotes from some deletionists and mergists, as well as counterarguments from inclusionists. If you'd like to comment, please do so, but make it '''bold'''. Thanks.
These are quotes from some deletionists and mergists, as well as counterarguments from inclusionists. If you'd like to comment, please do so, but make it '''bold'''. Thanks.


The original source is at [[Association of Deletionist Wikipedians]].
The original source is at Association of Deletionist Wikipedians.


This page will be updated as often as possible.
This page will be updated as often as possible.


==Quotes and arguments==
==Quotes and arguments==
[[Image:Size of English Wikipedia broken down (edited to remove profanity).png|thumb|right|'''A deletionist sentiment: Wikipedia needs to be cleaned up!''' — Why not cleanup, verify and expand ''articles'', rather than simply deleting them?]]
[[Image:Wikipe-tan on the haystack.png|thumb|200px|right|'''A deletionist sentiment: "Too many unnoteworthy or obscure articles impede finding the relevant stuff, like trying to find a needle in a haystack."''' — This notion is outdated, in part because the Wikipedia search engine was updated and improved in May 2010, in which "Search suggestions are now improved to get you to the page you are looking for more quickly," as reported on the Wikimedia blog on May 13, 2010. (link: [//blog.wikimedia.org/2010/05/13/a-new-look-for-wikipedia/ "A new look for Wikipedia".]]]
[[Image:Internet blackholes.svg|275px|thumb|right|<center>[[:w:en:Internet_censorship|Internet censorship]] ratings<ref name=ONICountryProfiles>[http://opennet.net/research/profiles "Country Profiles"], Research at the OpenNet Initiative web site, a collaborative partnership of the Citizen Lab at the Munk School of Global Affairs, University of Toronto; the Berkman Center for Internet & Society at Harvard University; and the SecDev Group, Ottawa</ref><ref name=RWBEnemies>[http://march12.rsf.org/i/Internet_Enemies.pdf ''Internet Enemies''], Reporters Without Borders, Paris, March 2011</ref></center>
{{legend|#3465a4|No censorship}}
{{legend|#edd400|Some censorship}}
{{legend|#cc0000|Country under surveillance from Reporters Without Borders}}
{{legend|#2e3436|Most heavily censored nations}}
]]


*''Wikipedia is not a junkyard'', counter to the inclusionist quote, ''Wikipedia is not paper''. --[[User:Pgunn|Improv]] 06:05, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
*''Wikipedia is not a junkyard'', counter to the inclusionist quote, ''Wikipedia is not paper''. --Improv 06:05, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

:That's what cleanup is for, not deletion.
:That's what cleanup is for, not deletion.
::Some junkyards can't be cleaned up.
::Some junkyards can't be cleaned up.
:::Split then, not delete.
:::Split then, not delete.
*''Single-sentence "substubs" do not an encyclopedia entry make.'' Or, if you prefer, ''substubs suck.'' Mediocrity should not be tolerated! - [[User:Lucky 6.9|Lucky 6.9]] 05:51, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
*''Single-sentence "substubs" do not an encyclopedia entry make.'' Or, if you prefer, ''substubs suck.'' Mediocrity should not be tolerated! - Lucky 6.9 05:51, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

:Well, kill your baby before the baby grows.
:Well, kill your baby before the baby grows.
::Roe v. Wade says we can.
::Roe v. Wade says we can.
:::Why should we follow his/her butt?
:::Why should we follow his/her butt?
*''Wikipedia is and will always be an encyclopedia. [...] It is not a general base of knowledge.'' - [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]]
*''Wikipedia is and will always be an encyclopedia. [...] It is not a general base of knowledge.'' - Anthony DiPierro

:But Jimbo said that Wikipedia should be the sum of total knowledge on the world.
:But Jimbo said that Wikipedia should be the sum of total knowledge on the world.
::That is technically impossible, so we'll be an encyclopedia.
::That is technically impossible, so we'll be an encyclopedia.
:::That is possible. Wikipedia is not a paper.
:::That is possible. Wikipedia is not a paper.
*''Verifiable ≠ Enyclopedic'' [[User:Johnleemk|Johnleemk]] 12:54, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
*''Verifiable ≠ Enyclopedic'' Johnleemk 12:54, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

:But Jimbo said that Wikipedia should be the sum of total knowledge on the world.
:But Jimbo said that Wikipedia should be the sum of total knowledge on the world.
::That is technically impossible, so we'll be an encyclopedia.
::That is technically impossible, so we'll be an encyclopedia.
:::That is possible. Wikipedia is not a paper.
:::That is possible. Wikipedia is not a paper.
*''Inclusionism is the easy option.'' [[User:Elf-friend|Elf-friend]] 20:37, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*''Inclusionism is the easy option.'' Elf-friend 20:37, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

:Why choose the harder one?
:Why choose the harder one?
::Path of least resistance makes crooked men and crooked streams.
::Path of least resistance makes crooked men and crooked streams.
:::Path of most resistance makes minced men, dead editors, mad people... They make people crazy.
:::Path of most resistance makes minced men, dead editors, mad people... They make people crazy.
*''Wikipedia is not toilet paper'', as opposed to the inclusionist quote, ''Wikipedia is not paper''. [[User:165.21.154.111|165.21.154.111]] 08:23, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*''Wikipedia is not toilet paper'', as opposed to the inclusionist quote, ''Wikipedia is not paper''. 165.21.154.111 08:23, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

:So, delete everything till nothing's left.
:So, delete everything till nothing's left.
::So delete the bad stuff till no bad articles are left.
::So delete the bad stuff till no bad articles are left.
:::Not even good ones.
:::Not even good ones.
*''If in doubt, delete.'' [[User:Erwin Walsh|Erwin Walsh]]
*''If in doubt, delete.'' Erwin Walsh

:...without further thoughts?
:...without further thoughts?
::If you doubt that your spouse loves you, kill.
::If you doubt that your spouse loves you, kill.
:::We have no worries: the lawyers on the Dream Team are all deletionists.
:::We have no worries: the lawyers on the Dream Team are all deletionists.
::::That's why it's called dream team - everything's only a dream after being deleted.
::::That's why it's called dream team - everything's only a dream after being deleted.
*''Brevity is the soul of wit.'' [[User:HatTrick|HatTrick]]
*''Brevity is the soul of wit.'' HatTrick

:Brevity is the doom of Wikipedia.
:Brevity is the doom of Wikipedia.
::Citation needed.
::Citation needed.
*''Brevity is ... wit.'' [[w:User:Mazin07|Mazin07]]
*''Brevity is ... wit.'' Mazin07

:Brevity is ... stub.
:Brevity is ... stub.
::It doesn't have a stub template.
::It doesn't have a stub template.
*''Wikipedia is not a dumpster'' &mdash;attr. [[User:Viajero|Viajero]]
*''Wikipedia is not a dumpster'' &mdash;attr. Viajero

:Wikipedia shouldn't be EMPTY. It should be full.
:Wikipedia shouldn't be EMPTY. It should be full.
::Of good articles not in need of deletion.
::Of good articles not in need of deletion.
:::True enough.
:::True enough.
*''Better Wikipedia articles through deletionism? '''You bet your sweet ass'''. '' [[User:Deiz|Deiz]] 14:27, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
*''Better Wikipedia articles through deletionism? '''You bet your sweet ass'''. '' Deiz 14:27, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

:Are you an inclusionist?
:Are you an inclusionist?
::Are you a deletionist?
::Are you a deletionist?
:::You can predict the answer. No. I suppose if you're a nihilist and consider nonexistence "Better".
:::You can predict the answer. No. I suppose if you're a nihilist and consider nonexistence "Better".
*''Wikipedia is not Wikipedia --[[User:Ron Ritzman|Ron Ritzman]] 02:25, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
*''Wikipedia is not Wikipedia --Ron Ritzman 02:25, 25 May 2006 (UTC)''
:Because deletionists delete everything.
:Because deletionists delete everything.
::Because we miss a small part of inclusionist stuff that needs deleted.
::Because we miss a small part of inclusionist stuff that needs deleted.
*''Famous ≠ Notable'' [[User:Lurker|Lurker]] 14:30, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
*''Famous ≠ Notable'' Lurker 14:30, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

:Famous ≈ Notable
:Famous ≈ Notable
::Citation needed.
::Citation needed.
:::WP:N
:::WP:N
*''Deletion solves all problems. No article, no problem.'' - [[User:Mailer diablo|Mailer Diablo]] 17:40, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
*''Deletion solves all problems. No article, no problem.'' - Mailer Diablo 17:40, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

:No article, no problem, no Wikipedia.
:No article, no problem, no Wikipedia.
::Only bad articles have problems.
::Only bad articles have problems.
:::'''Anything notable tends to have problems. Problems are rather a natural trait of complicated things than an indicator of something bad as a whole.'''
:::'''Anything notable tends to have problems. Problems are rather a natural trait of complicated things than an indicator of something bad as a whole.'''
*''Inclusionism is for lazy fatwads.'' [[User:Bsharkey|Bsharkey]] 17:25, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
*''Inclusionism is for lazy fatwads.'' Bsharkey 17:25, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

:Deletionism is for lazy builders.
:Deletionism is for lazy builders.
::A lazy fatwad is worse than a lazy builder.
::A lazy fatwad is worse than a lazy builder.
:::The word "fatwad" doesn't exist.
:::The word "fatwad" doesn't exist.
*''Nuke it like a bad Windows installation.'' [[Special:Contributions/75.53.198.187|75.53.198.187]] 19:08, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
*''Nuke it like a bad Windows installation.'' 75.53.198.187 19:08, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

:Why not try reinstall it?
:Why not try reinstall it?
::Who reinstalls Windows? LINUX!!!!!!!!!!!!
::Who reinstalls Windows? LINUX!!!!!!!!!!!!
:::Dreadful... So then how do you still have a PC with which to constrict Wikipedia? I guess something's '''worth saving'''.
:::Dreadful... So then how do you still have a PC with which to constrict Wikipedia? I guess something's '''worth saving'''.
*''Wikipedia is not the Internet.'' [[User:Kelvinc|Kelvinc]] 04:04, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
*''Wikipedia is not the Internet.'' Kelvinc 04:04, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

:But Jimbo said that Wikipedia should be the sum of total knowledge on the world.
:But Jimbo said that Wikipedia should be the sum of total knowledge on the world.
::That is technically impossible, so we'll be an encyclopedia.
::That is technically impossible, so we'll be an encyclopedia.

Revision as of 10:48, 16 November 2018

These are quotes from some deletionists and mergists, as well as counterarguments from inclusionists. If you'd like to comment, please do so, but make it bold. Thanks.

The original source is at Association of Deletionist Wikipedians.

This page will be updated as often as possible.

Quotes and arguments

  • Wikipedia is not a junkyard, counter to the inclusionist quote, Wikipedia is not paper. --Improv 06:05, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
That's what cleanup is for, not deletion.
Some junkyards can't be cleaned up.
Split then, not delete.
  • Single-sentence "substubs" do not an encyclopedia entry make. Or, if you prefer, substubs suck. Mediocrity should not be tolerated! - Lucky 6.9 05:51, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Well, kill your baby before the baby grows.
Roe v. Wade says we can.
Why should we follow his/her butt?
  • Wikipedia is and will always be an encyclopedia. [...] It is not a general base of knowledge. - Anthony DiPierro
But Jimbo said that Wikipedia should be the sum of total knowledge on the world.
That is technically impossible, so we'll be an encyclopedia.
That is possible. Wikipedia is not a paper.
  • Verifiable ≠ Enyclopedic Johnleemk 12:54, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
But Jimbo said that Wikipedia should be the sum of total knowledge on the world.
That is technically impossible, so we'll be an encyclopedia.
That is possible. Wikipedia is not a paper.
  • Inclusionism is the easy option. Elf-friend 20:37, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Why choose the harder one?
Path of least resistance makes crooked men and crooked streams.
Path of most resistance makes minced men, dead editors, mad people... They make people crazy.
  • Wikipedia is not toilet paper, as opposed to the inclusionist quote, Wikipedia is not paper. 165.21.154.111 08:23, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
So, delete everything till nothing's left.
So delete the bad stuff till no bad articles are left.
Not even good ones.
  • If in doubt, delete. Erwin Walsh
...without further thoughts?
If you doubt that your spouse loves you, kill.
We have no worries: the lawyers on the Dream Team are all deletionists.
That's why it's called dream team - everything's only a dream after being deleted.
  • Brevity is the soul of wit. HatTrick
Brevity is the doom of Wikipedia.
Citation needed.
  • Brevity is ... wit. Mazin07
Brevity is ... stub.
It doesn't have a stub template.
  • Wikipedia is not a dumpster —attr. Viajero
Wikipedia shouldn't be EMPTY. It should be full.
Of good articles not in need of deletion.
True enough.
  • Better Wikipedia articles through deletionism? You bet your sweet ass. Deiz 14:27, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
Are you an inclusionist?
Are you a deletionist?
You can predict the answer. No. I suppose if you're a nihilist and consider nonexistence "Better".
  • Wikipedia is not Wikipedia --Ron Ritzman 02:25, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Because deletionists delete everything.
Because we miss a small part of inclusionist stuff that needs deleted.
  • Famous ≠ Notable Lurker 14:30, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Famous ≈ Notable
Citation needed.
WP:N
  • Deletion solves all problems. No article, no problem. - Mailer Diablo 17:40, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
No article, no problem, no Wikipedia.
Only bad articles have problems.
Anything notable tends to have problems. Problems are rather a natural trait of complicated things than an indicator of something bad as a whole.
  • Inclusionism is for lazy fatwads. Bsharkey 17:25, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Deletionism is for lazy builders.
A lazy fatwad is worse than a lazy builder.
The word "fatwad" doesn't exist.
  • Nuke it like a bad Windows installation. 75.53.198.187 19:08, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Why not try reinstall it?
Who reinstalls Windows? LINUX!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dreadful... So then how do you still have a PC with which to constrict Wikipedia? I guess something's worth saving.
  • Wikipedia is not the Internet. Kelvinc 04:04, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
But Jimbo said that Wikipedia should be the sum of total knowledge on the world.
That is technically impossible, so we'll be an encyclopedia.
That is possible. Wikipedia is not a paper.
That would be vandalism/test edits. Nothing to do with deleting an article. Reverting it would be easier.
What if there was nothing good to start with?
Examples?
Why not try warning, blocking or page protecting instead?
What if spammers/vandals become admins and then spam/vandalize.
Spammers and vandals won't likely to pass their RfA/RfB. Don't worry, dear.

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