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The [[Wikimedia Foundation]] aims to facilitate the dissemination of knowledge in many different languages.  Currently, wikis have been created in over 200 languages.  If you would like to work in a language that does not yet have a wiki, you may request it here.

==Procedure==
There are several steps to follow if you would like to create a new language [[Wikipedia]], [[Wiktionary]], [[Wikibooks]], [[Wikisource]], or [[Wikiquote]].  The [[Wikimedia Commons]] and [[Wikispecies]] are multi-lingual projects, meaning that there are no separate editions for individual languages.  The Wikisource project has [http://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Language_domain_requests its own page] to request a new language.

#Peruse the [[complete list of Wikimedia projects]]. If the language you are looking for is not listed, look for very similar languages.  Your proposed language must be sufficiently different, in its written form, from any other already-created language.
#You '''must''' have an account here on the [[Meta]] wiki.
#Copy and paste the [[#Template|template]] to the '''end''' of the [[#Discussion ongoing|discussion ongoing]] section.
#Find the [http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/englangn.html ISO 639-2 code]  or [[#What do I do if there is no ISO code for my language?|propose a code for your language]] (for future compatibility, be sure to consult the [http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/ ISO 639-'''3''' ''draft''], which covers most of the world's languages).
#Fill in '''all''' fields in the template.
#If many potential contributors to your language's wiki are likely to speak a different language that already has a wiki, try and drum up support at a community discussion area on that wiki.  Encourage anyone who wants to contribute to your proposed language to come to this page and add their support for your proposal.
#If there is a consensus to create a wiki in your proposed language, send a message to the appropriate [[mailing list]] asking a developer to set up the wiki.
#Be patient, as our [[developer]]s are very busy volunteers.  You may work on articles, interface files and help or instruction pages using an offline word processor so that you can quickly get your new wiki going.  You may want to look at the [[List of articles all languages should have]].

==FAQ==

* 1. What do I do if there is no ISO code for my language?
::If there is no standard code (no [http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/langhome.html ISO code]) for your language, you will need to propose a code that is more than three letters long.  The most standard way to create a code is to use a generic code for a language family (such as ''gem'' for Germanic languages) and a three letter code for the proposed language, resulting in codes like ''fiu-vro'' (from the code for ''other Finno-Ugric languages'' and the Voro language) and ''roa-rup'' (from the code for ''other Romance languages'' and the Aromanian language). This procedure may not be ideal for all circumstances, but should be followed if reasonable.

The IANA coce is obsolete; all SIL codes are part of ISO-639-3

* 2. How do I know if my language is sufficiently different from a language that already has a wiki?
::This is an issue that is decided by consensus.

* 3. Can there be wikis in ancient languages?
::Yes. There are already wikis available in [[:en:Latin|Latin]], [[:en:Old English language|Old English]], [[:en:Gothic language|Gothic]] and [[:en:Pali|Pali]].
::Please add new requests for wikis in ancient languages to [[Requests for new languages/Ancient]].

* 4. Can there be wikis in artificial languages?
::Yes.  There are already wikis available in [[:en:Esperanto|Esperanto]], [[:en:Ido|Ido]], [[:en:Interlingua|Interlingua]], [[:en:Occidental language|Interlingue]], [[:en:Lojban|Lojban]] , [[en:Volap%C3%BCk|Volapük]]. There used to be a [[:en:Toki Pona|Toki Pona]] wiki, but it was decided that the Toki Pona language was not used widely enough to support a wiki.

::'''However''', it is quite possible that a fictional language will get little favor. Many considered the existence of the [[:en:Klingon language|Klingon]] Wikipedia to be unacceptable, and a proposal to shut it down eventually succeeded (See also [[Talk:Requests for new languages/Archive#Klingon|Talk page]]).

::Please place all new requests for Wikipedias in artificial languages at [[Requests for new languages/Non-natural]].

* 5. How many speakers are necessary?
::No language has ever been refused ''solely'' because of an insufficient number of speakers.  For natural languages, this will probably never be an issue; for artificial languages, however, a low number of speakers may be taken as evidence that the language is not widely spoken enough to deserve a wiki.
::The actual number of users who know the language and work on the wiki is an important issue, but it is not known how many are necessary for a wiki to gain momentum and solid growth.  The dedication of the users may be more important than the number, since a few devoted users may write more, and higher quality, articles than a larger number of casual users.

==Template==
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| '''People interested [if native speaker, please mark (N)]:'''
*'''Proposer's user account in Meta and other wikis:''' {{{Wiki accounts of the proposer}}}
*'''User accounts of others who are willing to work on the proposed wiki:'''
{{{User accounts of others}}}
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| '''Language code ([[w:ISO 639|ISO 639]]):''' {{{Language code}}}
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| '''Proposed domain:''' {{{Proposed domain}}}
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| '''Relevant infos:'''
*'''Link to article(s) on the language in an existing Wikipedia:''' {{{Wikipedia article}}}
*'''Native name(s):''' {{{Native name}}}
*'''Approximate number of speakers:''' {{{Number of speakers}}}
*'''Location(s) spoken:''' {{{Locations spoken}}}
*'''Closely related languages, if any:''' {{{Related languages}}}
*'''External links to organizations that promote the language:''' {{{Promoting organizations}}}
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| '''Link to request on a mailing list:''' {{{Request on mailing list}}}
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==Moved requests ==

*All conlangs (except Tolkien languages, see below), play languages (such as Pig Latin or leet), and fictional languages: (please see [[Requests for new languages/Non-natural]])
*All ancient languages: (please see [[Requests for new languages/Ancient]])
*Sinitic languages / Chinese dialects: (please see [[Requests for new languages/China]] and [[Proposal for Sinitic linguistic policy]])
*Luba-Katanga, South Ndebele, North Ndebele, Ojibwe, Tigre, Inari Sami, Skolt Sami, Indian English, Kokborok, Porjidlo: (please see [[Requests for new languages/No supporters]])
*Hindustani, Unserdeutsch, Mayan, Mikasuki, Real Dutch, Palauan, Haida, Azeri with other alphabets, Silbo Gomero, Fala&Extremaduran, American English, Bahasa Riau, Filipino, Rotas: (please see [[Requests for new languages/One supporter]])
*Quenya, Sindarin: (please see [[Requests for new languages/Tolkien languages]])
*Simple German: (please see [[Requests for new languages/Einfach]])
*Former USSR minority languages: Aleut, Crimean, Erzya, Ingush, Karachay-Balkar, Karakalpak, Mari, Moksha, Tuvinian, Yakut (please see [[Requests for new languages/Former USSR]])

==Discussion ongoing==
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=== Tarantino (9 support, 3 oppose) ===

{{New-language-template|bc
|Wiki accounts of the proposer=[[User:Beren85|Beren85]]
|User accounts of others= [[it:Utente:Capitanonemo]], [[it:Utente:Maximix]];
|Language code= (ISO639-1) ???.wikipedia.org (tar is impossible would be http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=tar)
|Proposed domain= tara.wikipedia.org
|Wikipedia article= [[it:Dialetto_tarantino]]
|Native name= Tarandíne
|Number of speakers= About 220.000
|Locations spoken= [[it:Taranto]] (Italy)
|Related languages= [[it:Salentino]], [[it:Lingua napoletana]]
|Promoting organizations= &nbsp;
|Request on mailing list= &nbsp;
}}
[http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_new_languages&diff=prev&oldid=261346 Request made in this diff] December 28, 2005 20:33

*'''Support:'''I'm Pugliese too and I would like so much the Tarantino to be an official language [[User:82.59.9.56|82.59.9.56]] December 28, 2005 21:12

*'''Support:'''I think that this dialect is somewhat different by italian. Sometimes turists think tarantian dialect may be a sort of arabic language. Even if it has some morphological simile with the neapolitan language, it sounds completly strange for neapolitan people, infact they cannot understand each other if they speack quickly and with their own intonation. Its' amazing to see how the tarantinian people has become attached to their traditions and their customs. I think that a Tarantinian Wikipedia may be the best thing to emprove the popularization of the language of Taranto. [[User:Beren85|Beren85]] December 28, 2005 21:51

*'''Support''', but enough native or advanced spekers must be found. :o) [[User:Hégésippe Cormier|Hégésippe]] | [[User talk:Hégésippe Cormier|±Θ±]] 08:38, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
* Haven't heard about it before. Because of the location: maybe a sub-dialect of Napolitan? -- [[User:Raetius|Raetius]] 11:38, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

*'''Support''' basically it would be usefull to have a separate wiki even if I suppose we will not get enough people being able to edit such a wiki. On the nap wikipedia I was asked if we could integrate it there - well: if we find the right way to structure it, I would say: we can integrate local "minority languages" on any wikipedia. In some way I am thinking in the direction of the namespace manager and/or wikidata right now. We could also create portals that care about the single minority languages within a language code. It would make sense since the language of that specific town/region/city would be preserved. I know for a fact that writing and pronunciation from one place to the other within the "nap" language code region can differ a lot - even between Maiori where I live and Amalfi there are some basic differences. So: we just must find the right way to do things. I will come back on this matter after having talked with some poeple trying to understand how we could make this local language happen. --[[User:SabineCretella|Sabine]] 15:41, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
::Well ... as soon as I posted this we had someone who signed with "Nico" who told us '''ma chi ve lo ha detto che il napoletano si parla in Calabria e in Pugliavulite pazzia'?!Nico' '''  (without logging in) ... for now that user was blocked for spamming ... sorry ... but some people do not seem to understand. If this Nico' is around here: please contact me. - First of all: I would very much support this wikipedia because I know that it is a different language, but we have that strange situation that Pugliese is not known as a language of its own. Even if we cannot compare this problem directly to Sardinian, it is somewhat similar. Following Ethnologue Pugliese is part of "Italian" as a dialect. Following linguistic maps it belongs to the Neapolitan '''language group'''. Now Apulia is quite a big region with a huge variety of dialects or better languages since a language is a dialect and nothing else (or say it the other way round if you want). <br>
::I heard that there is an ISO standard for proposal ISO 639-6 that is for dialects - so I will try to find out if there is already some kind of code we could use. The next thing is: what to do if for now there is no way to start this wikipedia - well the next version of the Mediawiki software includes a Namespace Manager that can be of help in that specific situation. So please: before getting angry and saying that '''we''' say that Tarandíne is part of Neapolitan understand that it is not us, but that organisations that are about language codes and linguistics do that. Personally I am, like many others I suppose, for giving the possibility to write articles in this language - so if the wikipedia should not be possible, we will simply find a way to do it. Wikipedia is about NPOV and giving the possibility to all people to read encyclopaedic articles in their language ... well we are geting closer and closer to a stage where this will be really possible. But please also understand that sometimes it is not easy to create a wikipedia for a language where there is no official recognition. Thanks! --[[User:SabineCretella|Sabine]] 21:25, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' - not one more dialect-Wikipedia! [[User:Kenwilliams|Kenwilliams]] 20:07, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
'''Support''' [[nl:Boudewijn Idema]], 13:47, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Just one doubt, which may be meaningless (I really cannot judge myself): cannot you guys unite all the apulian languages into a basic ''koiné''? I mean, this obviously would not include the albanian and greek minorities, but maybe would give you more users, readers and writers. Think about it. Making a wikipedia is a LOT of work [[User:bertodsera|bertodsera]] March 21, 2006 18:12
: retiring my doubt after getting a bit of further info. Tarendine appears as a neo-sannitic language, and obviously cannot be grouped with its neighbours. Wish you good luck, guys! [[User:bertodsera|bertodsera]] March 25, 2006 12:12 (GMT+2)
*'''Weak support''' Note that you cannot group all varieties of Apulia as a single language.  The southern ones (Salento) belong to the Sicilian group, the northern ones belong to the Neapolitan group.  It turns out that Taranto lies right on the isogloss between them, which is fairly sharp; hence Tarandine is a transition language, which does not typify the linguistic situation of Apulia as a whole.  [[User:Speakhits|Speakhits]] 11:09, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
* Sorry but I must '''oppose''' this one. Not even SIL who assign the title "language" very generously consider this a distinct idiom. [[User:Arbeo|Arbeo]] 18:06, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
**I entirely disagree about SIL.  They refuse to recognize the ''langues d'oïl'' (including Norman) as different languages from French, despite the fact that Jersey Norman (Jèrriais), at least, is a) politically separate from French, b) not mutually intercomprehensible with French, c) a recognized regional language by the British-Irish Council, and d) has a standardized orthography, literary tradition (dating back 800 years), and distinct regional dialects.  The language is currently being taught in schools (as a separate language from French), and a GCSE in the language should appear shortly.  Dictionaries exist between Jèrriais and English and Jèrriais and French.  (And, furthermore, Jersey has its own regional version of French, which is ''not'' Jèrriais).  Seeing as they, despite all this, do not recognize Jèrriais (or Norman in general) as a separate language, you can thus hardly say that SIL is "very generous".  However, I'm '''neutral''' about a Tarantino Wikipedia—I think we'd need to see a very successful test-wiki before considering it.  [[User:Jade Knight|The Jade Knight]] 21:02, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Strongly oppose''' I'm italian with strong knowledge in linguistic science and I have never been informed about this languages. In Italy there are some differences in the same dialects in several towns, but these are minor differences. Tarantino is only a variation in a bigger dialect which is "pugliese". --[[User:Ilario|Ilario]] 09:47, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
**Well Ilario, if you have never been informed about tha tarantinian language and the linguistic apulian situation, you're showing you haven't this "strong knowledge"... Read about this dialect a little bit more and then explain us (with real linguistic motivations) why it cannot be considered a separate idiom. [[User:Beren85|Beren85]] 20.13, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Different enough to be considered a separate language. --[[User:Wodan|Wodan]] 11.46, 14 April 2006
**Here you are: this it the test-wiki about tarantino. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Test-wp/tara
Obviously it can be made much better. ;-) [[User:Beren85|Beren85]] 21.00, 15, April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Mild support''' - it's true that it's hard to tell this language from any other of the 100+ dialects spoken in Italy, but if a sufficient number of speakers exists and they have the will to start the project and the perseverance to make it grow, they will get their right to exist "on the battlefield". --[[User:Paginazero|Paginazero]] 19:45, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

===Pfälzisch (10 support, 6 oppose<!--that anonymous vote should not be taken seriously-->, 2 neutral)===
{{New-language-template|
 Wiki accounts of the proposer= [[de:Benutzer:SPS]], [[de:Benutzer:PälzerBu]]
|User accounts of others=
|Language code= '''pfl'''
|Proposed domain= pfl.wikipedia.org
|Wikipedia article= [[de:Pfälzische Dialekte]], but also a few lines in [[en:Pfälzisch language]], [[it:Dialetto del Palatinato]], [[nds:Pfälzisch]]
|Native name= Pälzisch
|Number of speakers= 
|Locations spoken= much of Rhineland-Palatinate in Germany, some neighboring areas, several emigration communities (in the Americas + elsewhere)
|Related languages= Pennsylvania German [[:w:pdc|pdc]], Luxembourgian (Lëtzebuergesch) [[:w:lb|lb]]
|Promoting organizations= 
|Request on mailing list= 
}}
Words from person who made the request: Pfälzisch (in English perhaps Palatinian) is a German dialect, spoken in south west. Nearly everyone who lives there and whose anscistors come from there is able tospeak the dialect. [[User:84.171.216.148|84.171.216.148]] January 6, 2005 14:53 (CET)
*'''Support''' - [[User:Belgian man|Belgian man]] <small>([[:nl:Gebruiker:Cars en travel|nl]] [[:na:User:Belgian man|na]] [[en:User:Belgian man|en]])</small> 13:15, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. [[User:Caesarion|Caesarion]] Dear anonymous user, did you post a message about this at [[de:Wikipedia:Fragen zur Wikipedia]]? 13:50, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Come on. There is a Ripuarian Wikipedia, so why not a Palation one??? --[[User:Abzt|Abzt]] 16:53, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
*'''Neutral''', because I would like to get more information. But I've added the template above and the links to articles about the language, where there was only a ''poor'' paragraph to request. German users are the key for this request. I hope they will have some interest for it, and find enough native or advanced users to help it. :o) [[User:Hégésippe Cormier|Hégésippe]] | [[User talk:Hégésippe Cormier|±Θ±]] 05:22, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''moderate Support'''. I love the language, several near to me use it every day. I cannot support it as an author because I'm not in sufficient command of the language. Hint: [[Approved_requests_for_new_languages#Pennsylvania German (17 support; 1 oppose)|Approved_requests_for_new_languages]] has a section titled ''Pennsylvania German'' which is a closely related yet distinct language. [[User:Purodha|Purodha Blissenbach]] 01:37, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' - Who on earth would benefit from a Wikipedia in this German dialect? Not a single person because _every_ single speaker knows High German just as well or better. I don't live there but I bet when they write something down they write it down not in dialect but in High German like just everybody else in German. High German has specialised terms for all fields of science, the dialects mostly don't. The High German wikipedia will always be a source of information many times bigger and better then the Pfälzisch one - so the Pfälzisch one will actually be useless. I could go on with a few more points but I think it's enough now. -- [[User:Raetius|Raetius]] 11:56, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
**We have had some very similar discussions before: Pfälzisch should be considered a seperate language - and would, if the concepts of Germany, Germans and "the" German language didn't exist. [[User:Caesarion|Caesarion]] 13:17, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
** [[User:Raetius|Raetius]] is wrong. I personally know ''many'' people from Palatinate who do not speak the so called "High German" although they moderately understand it on TV etc. when they read (german) books or newspapers loudly, they do so in palatinian. Whenever wording or grammar do not match well enough, the outcome is funny for non-Palatinians. The majority of those people is from rural areas, elderly, hardly computer-literate, neither reading or writing English; so they're unlikely to show up here and vote. -- [[User:Purodha|Purodha Blissenbach]] 13:59, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
* <s>'''Oppose''' - Pfälzisch is not a separate language, just a specifing mispronouncing of a German province. Moreover, where should this trend to create new splitted WPs lead? [[User:84.163.38.161|84.163.38.161]] 21:29, 10 January 2006 (UTC)</s> <small>non-argument, should not be taken seriously</small>
**Sorry, but if still have the dumb conviction that regioanl languages are "mispronunciations" of standard languages, you have '''absolutely NO business here!!!''' Dialects are older, much, much older, than standard languages, start reading at least ''something'' about West Germanic dialects before you '''ever''' do one edit to this page again! [[User:Caesarion|Caesarion]] 23:16, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

*'''Neutral''' - by the way, I oppose a Portuguese wikipedia. Portuguese is not a separate language. It's just a mispronouncing of a Spanish province [[User:Stettlerj|Stettlerj]] 22:21, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' - as it was said, no one there would write down something in that dialect. The only German Dialects which are sometimes used as a written language are (AFAIK) Lower German and Swiss German, which both have already a Wikipedia. Everyone who speaks/understands Pfälzisch can also understand High German and get information at de:. That Pfälzisch Wikipedia would only be a copy of some easy "translated" de: articles to have many language links in the articles in High German. --[[User:Steffen Löwe Gera|Steffen Löwe Gera]] 09:00, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
**No it wouldn't. Any new Wikipedia is created of its own. The Limburgic Wikipedia is not just an easy translation of the Dutch Wikipedia, neither are the Platt and Alemannic Wikipedias, even though they all know German and write it with more ease than their own vernacular language. Any natural language (and Pfälzisch is a language of its own indeed!) deserves to be written down and cultivated, no matter whether it suffers low prestige or the presence of a standard language. The only thing we should be worried about is whether there are contributors for it, or perhaps if the proposed Wikipedia will not be redundant with an existing project. [[User:Caesarion|Caesarion]] 09:37, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
**:SUPPORT well, it's the same old story and dance... if we use such a deletionist criteria, then NO language is needed, apart from US english. Who on earth is going to use a computer without knowing at least basic english? So why on earth would you need a german wiki at all? Still you have it, and it made a wonderful edition, too. I think these guys have the right to speak and write as they wish (no matter whether you call this a language, a dialect, or just a mispronounciation). If they can make a good wiki, then why not? And since it's so easy for germans to read and speak in Pfälzisch (it's just a different sound, isn't it? ;) then de.wiki will have no problems in importing any interesting content from it. That's if we have to be logical (which is the very least you'd expect from people writing an encyclopedia).  --[[User:Bertodsera|Bertodsera]] 10:46, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

* '''Oppose.''' No need for this. It's not Wikipedia's business to cultivate languages. All Pfälzisch speakers benefit from the German Wikipedia just as much as all the other German speakers do. That should suffice. – [[User:Jondor|Jondor]] 13:29, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
:It may not be WP's business to cultivate languages, but it certainly is Wikipedia's business to help out those who cultivate their languages and give them the opportunity to make their own Wikipedia. Mr. Jondor, all Catalan speakers can use the Spanish Wikipedia very well, but the Catalan Wikipedia was created on the '''very same''' day as the Spanish was. So not allowing certain languages their own Wikipedias goes counter to the policy Wikipedia has been leading for five years now. [[User:Caesarion|Caesarion]] 13:40, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

I would work with, if sugh a wikipedia existed (I'm the one who asked for). I'm also a native speaker. My username on the German wikipedia is SPS, btw. -- [[User:84.171.227.43|84.171.227.43]] 17:22, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

* '''Support'''I am a native speaker of Palatian, and would help with a palatian Wiki, whether it exists. If the alemannic wikipedia has a "right to exist", I would say a Palatian would have it, too. I would also propose another language code. PAL would be more apposite than PFL. If you aquate the "ä" with the "a", PAL would be the first three letters of te language name in English (Palatinate), and in Palatian itself (Pälzisch). [[User:PaelzerBu|PaelzerBu]] 13:40, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

*'''Support'''.--[[User:Harvzsf|Harvzsf]] 05:44, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

*'''Support''' --[[User:Melancholie|Melancholie]] 04:22, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

:I've just changed the title, cause I had counted six supports, and not just five ;-) --[[de:Benutzer:SPS]] 13.02.2006 12:46 (CET)

*'''Oppose''' - Pfälzisch is German. There is <u>one</u> common standard for writing German that covers all regional spoken variants. <u>No</u> other standard than Hochdeutsch is ever used in non-fictional texts (for good reasons, I guess). Ignoring this fact and trying to create Wikipedias for all different spoken "Germans" will very probably lead to a plethora of incomplete, unreliable wikis of inferior quality forever redundant with the mutually intelligible, first-rate standard German WP. Nichts gegen Lokalpatriotismus - but I'd strongly disencourage such a development. [[User:Arbeo|Arbeo]] 17:23, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' NO NO NO! See [[User:Arbeo|Arbeo]] - what next ''Berlinerisch''? Where the End, if an minor dialect gets his won Wiki? [[User:Kenwilliams|Kenwilliams]] 20:04, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
**Ken, have you ever heard of the slippery slope logical fallacy? ''This is it!'' "We can't admit variant X, that'll lead us to accept even smaller scale variant Y in the future". I recommend that you stay away as long as you do not show any knowledge of the linguistical landscape in Germany. The term "German" is very, very unlucky, since the variants spoken by people identifying as German are, however related, definitely ''not'' the same language. Saying that a Low Saxon or a bavarian does not speak "German" as such (that means, either Standard German or another High Franconian dialect) does not mean he isn't German. Palatian is Middle Franconian, it has a different history and a different present state. Its speakers are Germans, their language may be German but it is a different language from the language of the Bundestag and the theatre. [[User:Steinbach|Steinbach <small>(formerly Caesarion)</small>]] 13:19, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

*'''Support''' [[User:Ciosek|Ciosek]] 20:59, 17 March 2006 (UTC) I see more logical arguments for support than to negate. Arguments for opose are quite illogical and some discriminatory - show NPOV love to standardization. [[w:Germanic substrate hypothesis]]

*'''Support''' A language, not a dialect.[[ nl:Boudewijn Idema]] , 13:52 , 19 March 2006 (UTC)

:Title actualized once again --[[de:Benutzer:SPS]] 22:20, 10 April 2006 (CEST)

*'''Oppose''' It's clearly a dialect, not a language. There's a definite dialect continuum and no "border" for Pfälzerisch. Plus, there's no standard orthography and not even a standardized "Hochpfälzerisch". Why didn't anyone suggest a Wikipedia in Sächsisch yet, or Erzgebirgisch? Or even better: Leipzigerisch (as the Sächsisch of Dresden and Leipzig is not the same). This request is quite silly in my opinion. If we had a Saxon Wikipedia, people from Dresden, Chemnitz and Leipzig would constantly edit between "ni", "net" and "nüsch". I imagine similar things for other dialects of German. —[[en:User:N-true]] 5:21, 15 April 2006

*'''Support''' Like someone said, Ripuarian is a dialect of German, and we have that. 22:53, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

=== Cook Islands Maori ===

'''In search for Native speakers''' ''Ka inangaro matou i te au tangata 'ei tuatua ma tata meitaki i roto i te reo maori Kuki Airani''
*Link to request on mailing list:
*ISO code: rar
*Proposer: [[User:Scott Gall|Scott Gall]] 08:15, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
*People interested joining:
*Speakers: 43 000 in Cook Islands, French Polynesia and New Zealand
*Relevant links:
** [[:en:Cook Islands Maori]] [[:mi:Te reo Māori Kuki Airani]]
*Notes/comments:
**Another request by Scott Gall with complete absence of native speakers, fluent speakers, or even advanced learners. Should be denied, along with all past and future requests from him. --[[User:Node ue|Node ue]] 16:49, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**The two might look as if they were the same, both of them being called Maori, but they both have their differences. We could move the New Zealand Maori Wikipedia to mi-nz.wikipedia.org. [[User:Scott Gall|Scott Gall]] 08:15, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
***Is that the same than Rarotongan? [[User:Belgian man]]
**** There are specific ISO 639 code for [[:en:Rarotongan language]] (rar) and [[:en:Maori language]] (mi), and "mi-ck" (which i added) mean "Maori of Cook Island", but i don't know if mi-ck and rar are the same or differ. (10 Mar 2005)
**Scott Gall, after a few weeks, the link you mentioned above to an article on Cook Island Maori is still idle. Could you write that article, please. I think many of us are interested in the particular differences and similarities between New Zealand Maori and Cook Island Maori.--[[User:Caesarion|Caesarion]] 15:08, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)
***I created a redirect to the article on the Rarotongan language five minutes ago. Rarotongan and Cook Island Maori are the same as each other, but not the same as New Zealand Maori. [[User:Scott Gall|Scott Gall]] 04:27, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
**** So "rar" is better. (16 Mar 2005)
*****OK then. rar.wikipedia.org it is. Some New Zealanders call it Cook Island Maori, possibly because it's similar to Maori and the Cook Islands are part of New Zealand. [[User:Scott Gall|Scott Gall]] 00:29, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
****** It's no more similar to Maori than is Samoan. The reason some people call it Cook Island Maori is out of ignorance. --[[User:Node ue|Node ue]] 16:49, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*******Not so - it is way more similar to NZ Maori than Samoan is. Ck Maori and NZ Maori are closely related as members of the Tahitic subgroup of Eastern Polynesian and have quite a high degree of interintelligibility as I can vouch for from my personal experience. Not the case with Samoan.[[:enUser:Kahuroa]] 00:27, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
****** I can't see a difference between Cook Island Maori and Rarotongan either. [[User:NazismIsntCool|NazismIsntCool]] 08:50, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
**'''Support''' [[User:Belgian man|Belgian man]] 21:04, 3 Jul 2005 (UTC)
**'''Strong Support''' Actually Rarotongan is one of the dialectal variation of Cook Islands Maori. The others dialects are the one of Ngaputoru (Atiu, Mauke, Mitiaro), Mangaia, Aitutaki, Rakahanga-Manihiki, Penrhyn (reo tongareva). There is a complete intelligibility between all these dialects. The only exception in Cook Islands is the language of Pukapuka which is closer to Samoan and the language of the three atolls of Tokelau.  According to the Cook Islands Legislation (te reo Maori act 2003), Maori

"(a) Means the Maori language (including its various dialects) as spoken or written in any island of the Cook Islands; and 

(b) Is deemed to include Pukapukan as spoken or written in Pukapuka; and

(c) Includes Maori that conforms to the national standard for Maori approved by Kopapa Reo"

http://www.paclii.org/ck/legis/num_act/trma2003130/

There is no intelligibility with tahitian and New Zealand Maori

I think mi-ck or mck would be the best choice. I'm not sure that people from outer islands would appreciate if you use rar for rarotongan. Moreover, they probably would not participate to it or it would create useless debates. There are no official census of the number of speakers but I think they must be about 30000 including those living in New Zealand, Australia or other parts of the world. 
If you create a wikipedia in Cook Islands Maori, people there would appreciate even if I do not think there will be hundreds of articles everyday. It will take time. I have a basic knowledge of the language but it would be better if a Cook Islander start it. It should not be too difficult to find. 
They also call it "te reo ipukarea", litterally "the language of ancestral homeland". So why not "ip-ck"...????

[[fr:Utilisateur:Nevers|fr:Utilisateur:Nevers]]

*'''Neutral'', but oppose to a proposal (present, past of future) because it was written by Scott Gall is a '''bad idea'''. [[User:Hégésippe Cormier|Hégésippe]] | [[User talk:Hégésippe Cormier|±Θ±]] 07:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' - not still a dialect-Wiki more, spoken by 43.000 (!!! - wow... /:) native speakers. Who should write there? [[User:Kenwilliams|Kenwilliams]] 19:56, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
*:I recommend reading all the comments ''before'' voting if you don't know anything about the topic. As stated several times above, this is an entirely separate language from Maori in New Zealand, and from other Polynesian languages. The name "Cook Islands Maori" is widely used in part because traditionally there was no name covering all the languages (and dialects) spoken in the Cook Islands, and excluding those spoken in other countries. --[[User:Chamdarae|Chamdarae]] 18:54, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
*::Chamdarae, just ignore it. Ken clearly thinks he is omniscient in the area of languages, and that languages that are not oficially recognised don't exist. Or don't you? You seem to think so. Tell me, do you really think there are only 200 languages in the world rather than the 6,000 Ethnologue lists? Tell me, have you '''ever''' red one word in or on the Pacific languages? [[User:Caesarion|Caesarion]] 09:24, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support'''  [[nl:Boudewijn Idema]], 13:52 , 19 March 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Is a official language, and maybe use the Kopapa Reo standard for the Wiki.--'''[[User:Taichi|Taichi]]''' - ([[User talk:Taichi|あ！]]) 20:21, 17 May 2006 (UTC) 
*'''Support''' [[User:Aeetlrsk|Aeetlrsk]] 23:21, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

*'''Oppose with fire''' Why on earth would you want to open a Wikipedia without native speakers to work on it. Get a few native speakers, ''then'' open the Wikipedia. You'll just get bored after a few weeks and then we'll just have another spam magnet. - [[User:FrancisTyers|FrancisTyers]] 19:38, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
: It's no use to be opposed. We just have to wait for motivate native speakers (at least five or ten). Actually internet is very expensive and slow in Cook Islands. I've heard High speed connection should be installed before the end of the year (at least on Rarotonga). I suppose it will help to find speakers

:I agree with [[User:Taichi]] and largely agree with Francis (and with Node ue!), although two keen native speakers could be enough. I've posted [http://www.cookislands.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4 a message on an appropriate "local" forum] urging its members to look at this page. [[User:Robin Patterson|Robin Patterson]] 01:28, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
::Nice! [[User:Belgian man|Belgian man]] <small>([[:nl:Gebruiker:Cars en travel|nl]] [[:na:User:Belgian man|na]] [[en:User:Belgian man|en]])</small> 12:02, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

:'''Support''' - is as distinct a language as Tahitian or Hawaiian. [[:en:User:Kahuroa]] 00:27, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

{{requests for new languages/azb-ir}}

{{requests for new languages/pa-pk}}

===Wikiquote in french===
[[Image:Bandeau wikiquote.jpg|right|350px|]]
{| class="toccolours" cellspacing="3"
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| '''People interested [if native speaker, please mark (N)]:'''
*[[User:Greudin|Greudin]] (N)
*
|-
| '''Language code ([[w:ISO 639|ISO 639]]):''' fr
|-
| '''Proposed domain:''' FR.WIKIQUOTE.ORG
|-
| '''Relevant infos:'''
*'''Link to article(s) on the language in an existing Wikipedia:''' [[w:fr:Wikiquote]]
*'''Native name(s):''' Francophones, wikiquoteurs, wikiciteurs ;)
*'''Approximate number of speakers:''' lot of but declining
*'''Location(s) spoken:''' Europe, Africa, Americas, Oceania
*'''Closely related languages, if any:''' [[w:en:verlan]]
*'''External links to organizations that promote the language:''' l'Académie
|-
| '''Link to request on a mailing list:''' maybe wikipedia-fr-l if I retrieve the link
"By Grabthar's hammer, by the sons of Worvan, we shall be avenged."
|}

====Comments====
*There is currently no community. I'll be glad to support such an attempt to rebuild the french wikiquote, but only if you can find at least ten reliable and '''established''' Wikimedians/Wikipedians ready to invest themselves to help you with the project. [[User:Solensean|Solensean]] ᛁ[[User_Talk:Solensean|<big><big><big>ᛉ</big></big></big>]]ᛁ 01:46, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
:Plus que 8 on est deux ;) [[User:Greudin|Greudin]]
::No :) You're alone..[[User:Solensean|Solensean]] ᛁ[[User_Talk:Solensean|<big><big><big>ᛉ</big></big></big>]]ᛁ 13:49, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
* Maybe you should have provided us with some info on why the old French Wikiquote was closed. Well, I've searched for myself and don't mind sharing what I've found ;-) [[Communications subcommittees/Press/2006/03/28 fr.Wikiquote brief|'''<info en>''']] [[Communications subcommittees/Press/2006/03/28 fr.Wikiquote brief/fr|'''<info fr>''']] -- [[User:Arbeo|Arbeo]] 14:57, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

====Support====
*I would like to contribute to this project. [[User:Poppypetty|Poppypetty]] 18:17, 13 April 2006 (UTC) ([[fr:User:Poppy]]).
*I can also help, particularly in the beginning. [[User:Seb35|Seb35]] 22:01, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
*Quand vous voulez, on peut s'y mettre --[[User:Jonathaneo|Jonathaneo]] 13:08, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
* Une 5e...--[[User:BeatrixBelibaste|BeatrixBelibaste]] 18:17, 14 April 2006 (UTC) ([[fr:User:BeatrixBelibaste]]).
*--[[User:Absar|Absar]] 11:23, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
* Moi aussi, mais tant qu'à faire je préférerais Wikicitations. [[User:86.217.125.20|86.217.125.20]] 12:18, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
:Enregistre toi, ça a bcp plus de poids ! [[User:Greudin|Greudin]]
: <small>« Wikicitations » est une bonne idée d'intitulé. L'emploi d'un nouveau titre permettrait de symboliser le changement par rapport à la précédente version. [[User:Teofilo|Teofilo]] 12:11, 18 April 2006 (UTC)</small>
* I can help you a bit. Je souhaiterais surtout faire le ménage/rengement comme je le fais déjà sur Wikipédia. Et puis commencer un nouveau projet c'est se conduire en batisseurs. --[[User:Pseudomoi|Pseudomoi]] 21:58, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
*I don't have any problems of this. Sounds like a good idea. [[User:Computerjoe|Computerjoe]] 11:23, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

====Oppose====
* I support a new fr.wikquote for old texts in the public domain only. I oppose the new rules that allow quotes from films and contemporary authors, because I believe this clashes the French copyright law. See [[Talk:Wikiquote FR]]. <small>Je suis pour la réouverture d'un Wikiquote francophone seulement pour les textes anciens tombés dans le domaine public. Je suis opposé aux nouvelles règles qui incitent à citer des films et des auteurs contemporains, parce que je pense que cela n'est pas compatible avec les lois françaises sur les droits d'auteurs. Voir [[Talk:Wikiquote FR]]</small> [[User:Teofilo|Teofilo]] 12:08, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
:A bit franco-centred, isn't it? [[User:Greudin|Greudin]]
::Though it is the same reason why the fr.wikiquote was closed in the first place, because of those French(France) copyright laws. [[User:132.204.207.108|132.204.207.108]] 12:59, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
J'ai perdu sans  préavis mes deux pages utilisateurs qui fourmillaient de citations tout à fait légales. Je pense, avant de créer quoique ce soit, qu'il faudrait réactiver cette partie de l'ancienne version quelques semaines et nous laisser recouvrer notre travail initial. Signé QuoiNonne aka [[User:82.224.88.52|82.224.88.52]] 17:01, 21 April 2006 (UTC)




=== Hebrew MediaWiki Site (11 support; 1 oppose) ===
{| class="toccolours" cellspacing="3"
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| '''People interested [if native speaker, please mark (N)]:'''
*'''Proposer's user account in Meta and other wikis:''' [[User:Rotemliss|rotemliss]], [[w:he:User:Rotemliss|rotemliss in Hebrew Wikipedia]]
*'''User accounts of others who are willing to work on the proposed wiki:'''
|-
| '''Language code ([[w:ISO 639|ISO 639]]):''' he
|-
| '''Proposed domain:''' http://he.mediawiki.org/
|-
| '''Link to request on a mailing list:''' There is no one currently
|}
====Comments====
I suggest a Hebrew MediaWiki site (there are already Hebrew Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikiquote, Wikisource, Wikibooks and Wikinews), because it's hard to write an RTL language in an LTR, and with English interface (even if I change the language to Hebrew, the interface remains LTR), [http://www.mediawiki.org/ MediaWiki site]. It's better to seperate the languages, and the Hebrew project will be able to use a Hebrew, and RTL, interface and text.

Thanks. – [[User:Rotemliss|rotemliss]] – [[User Talk:Rotemliss|Talk]] 16:44, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
: a good idea! [[User:Idand|Idand]] 20:57, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
====Support====
# {{Support}} – [[User:Rotemliss|rotemliss]] – [[User Talk:Rotemliss|Talk]] 09:36, 15 April 2006 (UTC) ('''N''')
# {{Support}} [[User:Idand|Idand]] 09:31, 15 April 2006 (UTC) ('''N''')
# {{Support}}: [[User:None|None]] 04:10, 15 April 2006 (UTC) ('''N''')
# {{Support}} --'''[[User:Taichi|Taichi]]''' - ([[User talk:Taichi|あ！]]) 05:09, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
# {{Support}} [[User:Kenwilliams|Kenwilliams]] 08:31, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
# {{Support}} [[User:Troll Refaim|Troll Refaim]] 14:14, 15 April 2006 (UTC) ('''N''')
# {{Support}} [[User:Whaa?|Whaa?]] 14:33, 15 April 2006 (UTC) ('''N''')
# {{Support}} [[User:Belgian man|Belgian man]] <small>([[:nl:Gebruiker:Cars en travel|nl]] [[:na:User:Belgian man|na]] [[en:User:Belgian man|en]])</small> 16:03, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
# {{Support}} [[User:Platonides|Platonides]] 16:37, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
# {{Support}} [[User:Gangleri|Gangleri]] · [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Gangleri&action=history Th] · [[User_talk:Gangleri|T]] 05:45, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
# {{Support}} - [[User:Ek7|Ek7]] 13:54, 8 July 2006 (UTC) ('''N''')

====Oppose====
# --[[User:Absar|Absar]] 11:21, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
#:Hello, could you please explain the opposition? What do you suggest instead? – [[User:Rotemliss|rotemliss]] – [[User Talk:Rotemliss|Talk]] 11:51, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

====Alternative====
The reason why you ask for a Wikimedia in Hebrew is technical. In the proposal for [[Multilingual MediaWiki]] we will get an environment where a page can be completely in Hebrew or English, Hindi or whatever language. One of the things Multilingual MediaWiki will do is to allow for multiple languages in projects like Meta and Commons. 

Programming has started. Two developers are working on it. I propose to wait for this new functionality. Thanks, [[User:GerardM|GerardM]] 20:39, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
:I don't know what is the project, and what will be exist when finished; but let's say it will allow to specify the page language via "uselang" or the preferences, to completely differ the languages and allow everyone to use his language. Let's also say it will allow interwiki within the wiki, using "uselang". Why should someone prefer such a Multilingual wiki and not different wiki sites, can be more easily maintained? In Commons, it should be the same wiki for all the langauges for there should be only one source of shared images; but in MediaWiki site it is not the problem, so there is no need to compress everything in one site. – [[User:Rotemliss|rotemliss]] – [[User Talk:Rotemliss|Talk]] 07:18, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
::By the way, I think the Meta should be also Multilingual, like Commons (and it is, but not using the proposed features, and Commons also doesn't, because these features are not exist) – one site where we decide things in diffferent languages (although most of the discussions should be in English, for everyone will be able to understand them – for example, this discussion); but MediaWiki site is not the Meta, and it is mainly a content site, which should be translated. – [[User:Rotemliss|rotemliss]] – [[User Talk:Rotemliss|Talk]] 07:30, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

===Wikisource in lithuanian===
{| class="toccolours" cellspacing="3"
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| '''People interested [if native speaker, please mark (N)]:'''
*[[User:Redagavimas|Redagavimas]] (N)
*
|-
| '''Language code ([[w:ISO 639|ISO 639]]):''' lt ([[w:en:Lithuanian language]])
|-
| '''Proposed domain:''' LT.WIKISOURCE.ORG
|-
| '''Relevant infos:'''
*'''Link to article(s) on the language in an existing Wikipedia:''' [[w:lt:Wikisource]]
*'''Native name(s):''' Lietuvių
*'''Approximate number of speakers:''' lot of but declining
*'''Location(s) spoken:''' Baltic States, Europe, Australia, Africa, Americas, Oceania
*'''Closely related languages, if any:''' [[q:lt:User:Redagavimas]]
*'''External links to organizations that promote the language:''' Atviras Kodas (Open Source, LT)
|-
| '''Link to request on a mailing list:''' .... "
|}
*{{support}} Why not? [[User:Belgian man|Belgian man]] <small>([[:nl:Gebruiker:Cars en travel|nl]] [[:na:User:Belgian man|na]] [[en:User:Belgian man|en]])</small> 14:56, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
*{{support}} No problem --'''[[User:Taichi|Taichi]]''' - ([[User talk:Taichi|あ！]]) 22:38, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
*{{support}} - [[User:Zordsdavini|Zordsdavini]] 07:22, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
*{{support}} - [[User:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] 12:55, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
*{{support}} - [[User:Hégésippe Cormier|Hégésippe]] | [[User talk:Hégésippe Cormier|±Θ±]] 21:14, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
*{{support}} - [[User:Godo|Godo]] <small>([[:lt:User:Godo|lt]])</small> 9:23, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
*{{support}} - [[User:Shibo77|Shibo77]] 09:52, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
*{{support}} - [[User:Booksworm|Booksworm]] 14:59, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
*{{support}} - [[User:Marcelo-Silva|<b style="color:#050">Marcelo Silva</b>]] 16:13, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

===Wikipedia in Chinglish [0 support, 13 oppose, 2 neutral] and Singlish [7 support, 8 oppose, 1 neutral]===
Chinglish and Singlish are the dialects of English, when Chinglish is spoken in Hong Kong and Mainland China and Singlish is spoken in Singapore. These two languages are formed due to the English colonization in Hong Kong and Singapore and the trading between Chinese and British started from middle 1800s. [[User:Oscarcwk|Oscarcwk]] 08:14, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' Unnecessary and useless, IMHO. [[User:Arbeo|Arbeo]] 15:33, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' I think that is non-sense dialects. --'''[[User:Taichi|Taichi]]''' - ([[User talk:Taichi|あ！]]) 14:42, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
* Oppose Chinglish; '''Support Singlish'''. Chinglish is what's known as a "nativised variety" of English. It cannot entirely be called a dialect, but at the same time it is not a creole because it was never a pidgin. I don't support it because the phenomena that are called  "Chinglish&quot; range from almost pure English  with the occasional particle or cantonese word, to something that's more half-and-half. Singlish, on the other hand, is a fully-formed creole language, drawing words and grammatical structures from English, Hokkien, Teochew, Cantonese, Malay, Tamil, and more recently, Mandarin. There is no standard writing system, though; when most people write it, it usually looks somewhat similar to English (but a bit strange), but if you wrote it even slightly phonetically, and if you marked tones (which it does have, although they are only sometimes phonemic, English-origin words are pronounced in a very "singsong" way), it would really demonstrate accurately the uniqueness of Singlish. Singlish as a spoken language bares little resemblance to standard English, in fact English speakers often mistake it for Chinese. So to the opposers, I ask you: Want Wikipedia in Singlish, got? Why oredi dun got!? Can make or not ah??? CAN LAH! --[[User:Node ue|Node ue]] 02:31, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
* '''Support Singlish'''. I am sure Malaysian also understand this dialect of English, even spoken and familiar in Indonesian too lah!. [[User:Siti Atiroh|Siti Atiroh]] 02:28, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
* It remains unclair to me whether these variants are spoken as native languages by some people. And even when they are, they might be somewhat unstable (speakers in Hong Kong and Singapore are likely to adept "real" English sooner or later). For now, I am '''neutral'''. [[User:Steinbach|Steinbach <small>(formerly Caesarion)</small>]] 08:29, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
** Singlish is definitely used as a native language by many Singaporeans, it is a creole, I don't know about Chinglish. As regards adapting "real english sooner or later", then why do we have an Haitian Creole WP or a Tok Pisin or Bislama WP? Aren't they likely to adapt "real" French or English soon?? We could even extend that to Spanish and Portuguese and Italian, aren't they likely to adopt "real" Latin soon? --[[User:Node ue|Node ue]] 23:41, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
* '''Oppose Chinglish'''. I am a Chinese in Hong Kong and I speak English not Chinglish. I also don't think there is any "native" Chinglish speakers (in Hong Kong), just Cantonese speakers who are taught English in school. We speak English , write English and in fact "Chinglish" is considered to be wrong, both in schools and the society. --[[User:Lorenzarius|Lorenzarius]] 08:49, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
* '''Oppose Chinglish'''. Chinglish has not been standardised and nor will it be.[[User:GnuDoyng|GnuDoyng]] 14:18, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
* '''Oppose Chinglish''' and '''Support [[:w:Singlish|Singlish]]'''. As Node has explained, Chinglish is a nativized variety of English (a sort of unstable code switching) while Singlish is a stable creole language on its own right, spoken natively by many Singaporeans (many Singaporeans are in fact bilingual in standard English and Singlish). It is not always mutually intelligible with English. If creoles such as '''Tok Pisin''' and '''Haitian Creole''' can have Wikipedias I see no reason why Singlish can't. However, I suggest that instead of "Singlish", we have "'''Malaysian and Singaporean English'''", in order to avoid the informal term "Singlish" and also be more inclusive to Manglish speakers. -- [[User:Ran|Ran]] 19:45, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
* '''Support [[:w:Singlish|Singlish]]'''. There are already distinct Singlish/Manglish media content in the form of literature, TV-shows, movies, comics, etc, and they are popular in those societies. Wikipedia should include this language. --[[User:Vsion|Vsion]] 04:35, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
* '''Oppose both''' - Chinglish per above; Singlish because there's no set way to write in Singlish, besides a little [[Wikipedia:Texting language|SMS language]] and lahs and lors here and there. It wouldn't work. [[:en:User:NSLE|NSLE]] <sub>([[:en:User talk:NSLE|T]]+[[:en:Special:Contributions/NSLE|C]])</sub> 06:03, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
* '''Oppose Chinglish''', '''Support Singlish'''. I've never heard of Chinglish and is not very well known and English speakers in HK and CN speak English NOT Chinglish. As for Singlish, I seriously don't know what to write, but I will try. Singlish is commonly used in Singaporeans and Malaysians everyday lives. --[[User:Terenceong1992|&#91;&#91;:en:User:Terence Ong&#124;Terence Ong]]]] 12:15, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
* '''Support Singlish/Manglish, oppose Chinglish'''. The main thing I'm concerned about is unnecessary forking, but I think actually using Singlish/Manglish might make it more accessible to some audiences. Chinglish is too unstable. [[User:Natalinasmpf|Elle <small><sub><font color="#CC9920">vécut heureuse</font></sub></small> <small><font color="blue"><sup>à jamais</sup></font></small>]] ([[User talk:Natalinasmpf|Be eudaimonic!]]) 01:03, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
* '''Support Singlish'''. Chinglish is lame, lah. [[User:Miborovsky|Miborovsky]] 08:08, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
* '''Oppose both'''. Limited audience. Moreover, it would be more kind of a joke instead of a serious reference material, la. (klingon should be deleted too!!!) [[User:Earth|__earth]] 08:33, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
**Earth, I think you're wrong on at least two points. Yes the audience is limited but that goes for so many other Wikipedias. It surely is a matter of great Anglo-Saxon arrogance to say "your language has too few speakers, we ignore it". Second, a comparision with Klingon is patent nonsense: we're not discussing Wikipedias in fictional n3rd languages, but ones in real languages, one of which is even spoken by real people. [[User:Steinbach|Steinbach <small>(formerly Caesarion)</small>]] 13:32, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
***Maybe but the Singlish is more of a street slang than a proper language. Singlish is not a language but rather, a slang. We could call it creole but it doesn't change the fact that Singlish is simply English with some street words, adapted to local circumtances. It's like having street words such as "yo", "dog", "bling bling" and then we pretend that all those street words along with other typical English words make up a different kind of English. Let's call it hiphoplish for our sake. And then, somebody comes up to Wikipedia and say, let's have a Hiphoplish Wikipedia! And that's what is happening here. [[User:Earth|__earth]] 09:15, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
****A "street slang" that has some 4 million speakers. [[User:Miborovsky|Miborovsky]] 15:39, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
***** And our Hiphoplish language would probably have more than 100 million native speakers. [[User:Earth|__earth]] 09:00, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
***Earth: The fact that Singlish is a basilect does not make it any less of a language. We are not "pretending" that these "street words" make up a "different kind of English", it is a fact that the street pronunciation, street syntax, street vocabulary and street grammar of Singlish do indeed make up a different kind of English. Intrinsically speaking Singlish is no less a language than any other; the fact that Singlish is a basilect has nothing to do with the intrinsic properties of Singlish. And as for Hiphoplish Wikipedia, I don't think it's impossible to have a Ebonics Wikipedia that puts the complex [[:w:Ebonics|Aspects of Ebonics]] to good use. Don't diss the verb aspects and remote phase marker of Ebonics, yo. -- [[User:Ran|Ran]] 23:05, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' both. What for leh. [[User:Aurora|Aurora]] 08:33, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
* '''Oppose'''s to both requests. There is no Chinglish or Singlish literature, there aren't any encyclopedias or academic literature written in Chinglish or Singlish. In my opinion, even the speakers who speaks Chinglish or Singlish wouldn't want to write an academic corpus (encyclopedia) in Chinglish or Singlish. As far as I know, it is only used on online chats and forums.  --[[User:Shibo77|Shibo77]] 09:48, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
* '''Just a lil' thought o' mine:''' Can you consider an idiom a fully-fledged language if it doesn't even have a real name?? These "funny" ''Bollywood/Brangelina'' type denominations really speak for themselves, I think... --[[User:Arbeo|'''A'''<span style="font-variant:small-caps;text-transform:lowercase">RBE</span>'''0''']] 12:11, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
** No, their names don't really speak for themselves. I would suggest making constructive comments on the syntax, morphology, and phonology of Singaporean and Malaysian English rather than their informal names. <br /> I should also point out that Bollywood is one of the world's most prolific film hubs and an important part of the modern culture of India, so I don't really see where you are going with your analogy. -- [[User:Ran|Ran]] 01:16, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''', waste of space. +[[User:Hexagon1|Hexagon1]] ([[User_talk:Hexagon1|talk]]) 09:57, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose Chinglish''', '''Support Singlish'''. I wait for this liao. Wah lau! I like this lah!
*'''Neutral Chinglish''', '''Oppose Singlish'''. Clueless in written Singlish, apologies!

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===Tokelauan (4 support, 1 oppose) ===
*Link to request on mailing list:
*ISO code: tkl
*Speakers: 4500 in Tokelau, American Samoa, New Zealand and the United States
*People interested joining: [[User:Belgian man|Belgian man]]
**
*Relevant links:
**[[:en:Tokelauan language]]
*Notes/comments: 
** Please, quit requesting languages anonymously without leaving any contact information.
*** Related to Samoan. Ask [[:sm:|sm]] to host Tokelauan? [[User:Scott Gall|Scott Gall]] 05:27, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
**** Would you quit it already, Scott? One Wikipedia never hosts another. They are either separate or they aren't. And English is related to German... but they have separate Wikipedias. And also, quit requesting Wikipedias for no particular reason. gosh. --[[User:Node ue|Node ue]] 21:01, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
*****Node, it wasn't Scott who requested the WP in Tokelauan, it was an anonymous IP. And also, if you say one WP never hosts another, the Chinese WP is hosting a simplified Chinese and a traditional Chinese WP. [[User:NazismIsntCool|NazismIsntCool]] 08:55, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
******No, they have automatic conversion software. They're considered to be the same language, written in "different alphabets" so to speak --[[User:Node ue|Node ue]] 16:49, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*******So that means if you vandalise one bit, it applies to the other bit (not that I know enough Chinese to vandalise it.) [[User:Scott Gall|Scott Gall]] 01:06, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC) PS: And the simplified and traditional wikis used to be separate.
******Very good. But the reason there are separate wikis in English (obviously) and German is because they aren't as related as Samoan and Tokelauan are. [[User:Scott Gall|Scott Gall]] 10:50, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*******Scott, you have caused so much frustration on this page. One Wikipedia hosting another language is never an option. After how many times people have answered similar questions from you, you should know this very well by now. fi: will not host Karelian. Ukrainian and Russian are closely related. Separate Wikipedias. Dutch and Plattdeutsch are closely related. Separate Wikipedias. Bosnian, Serbian, and Croatian are '''nearly identical'''. Separate Wikipedias. Gujarati and Hindi are very close, yet there are still separate Wikipedias. Hawai'ian and Samoan are very close. Separate Wikipedias. OK? DO YOU GET IT NOW? --[[User:Node ue|Node ue]] 16:49, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
********Of course. They have their differences, not being COMPLETELY mutually intelligible. [[User:Scott Gall|Scott Gall]] 06:18, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC) PS: I thought Gujarati was Dravidian instead of Indo-European. PPS: You forgot Romanian and Moldovan - but the Moldovan wiki is in Cyrillic script for those who still prefer to write their tongue in that script.
*********I thought Gujarati was Dravidian instead of Indo-European as well (this not to be compared to my former inability to tell between Budapest and Bucharest or Moldavia and Moldova.) Also, Irish and Scottish Gaelic are almost the same - separate WPs. Romanian and Aromanian are similar - separate WPs. Malay and Indonesian... I think we know. [[User:NazismIsntCool|NazismIsntCool]] 23:22, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**********If you did every example, yes, you would make the page go over 32KB, eg. many Spanish speakers wouldn't want Catalan on their WP, Inuktitut spakers wouldn't want Kalaalisut (Greenlandic) or Inupiaq on their WP, Tok Pisin speakers wouldn't want Hiri Motu on their WP, Danish speakers wouldn't want Swedish on their WP, Esperanto speakers wouldn't want Interlingua on their WP, etc (etc because I don't want to be too much harder on this page :-) .) [[User:Scott Gall|Scott Gall]] 07:42, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC) PS: Is Esperanto related to Interlingua not taking into account the fact they're both constructed?
******* Also, on the topic of similar languages, Estonian and Voro are ALMOST the same, except that the second letter in the Estonian word for "dictionary" is an ''o'' but in Voro, the second letter in the word for "dictionary" is a ''y.'' However, they both start in ''s?n.'' [[User:NazismIsntCool|NazismIsntCool]] 10:57, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC) PS: On the subject of the language being requested in this part, having never been to Tokelau, I don't even know any Tokelauan, so you won't see my support vote here.
**'''Support''' [[User:Belgian man|Belgian man]] 21:04, 3 Jul 2005 (UTC)
**'''Support''' --'''[[User:Taichi|Taichi]]''' - ([[User talk:Taichi|あ！]]) 21:06, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
** This request is actually useless, IMHO. There are < 4000 speakers of this language. If some of <u>them</u> want a Wikipedia - sure! But as long as that's not the case - why even talk about it?? - [[User:Arbeo|Arbeo]] 13:57, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
**'''Support!''' The fact that there are <4000 speakers is a reason to help it. And what better when than publicising it on a free, open encyclopedia! Those who speak the language, such as myself, will be keen to help in order to protect it from extinction! I'm currently updating the en: Tokelauan ...
***Just to make sure I'm not misunderstood: My point was not that an open encyclopedia in Tokelauan would be useless  because it's such a small language - quite the contrary! What I meant was that discussing such a project without the involvement of people who speak the language is somewhat academic. [[User:Arbeo|'''A'''<span style="font-variant:small-caps;text-transform:lowercase">RBE</span>'''0''']] 21:42, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

**'''Oppose''' How many Tokelauan speakers on Tokelau island have access to the internet? In fact, this "language" is a mere dialect of Samoan. This language could basically become 'extinct' within the next few decades as their three tiny islands gradually disappear due to rising sea levels and increased immigration overseas. Therfore I oppose as long as no native speakers support this idea. -- [[en:User:Phillip J|Phillip]], 07:23 Tuesday 6 June 2006 (UTC)
::Do you know about the '''.tk''' Internet domain? '''.tk''' is for Tokelau; and the idea about the archipielago dissapear is totally ridicolous, many speakers are in New Zealand.--'''[[User:Taichi|Taichi]]''' - ([[User talk:Taichi|あ！]]) 08:19, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
:::Indeed. According to Ethnologue, 1373 speakers live in New Zealand, only 1405 in Tokelau, 100 in American Samoa and some in the USA. [[User:Belgian man|Belgian man]] <small>([[:nl:Gebruiker:Cars en travel|nl]] [[:na:User:Belgian man|na]] [[en:User:Belgian man|en]])</small> 17:39, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

*'''Support''' [[User:Aeetlrsk|Aeetlrsk]] 23:21, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose with fire''' stop requesting Wikipedias without native speakers. - [[User:FrancisTyers|FrancisTyers]] 20:01, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' First get other Wikipedias in Oceanic languages up and running before you request new ones, especially when the speaker base is so small and you have found no willing contributors who speak it natively. [[User:Steinbach|Steinbach <small>(formerly Caesarion)</small>]] 17:39, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

===Tuvaluan Wikipedia (6 support, 2 oppose) ===

*People interested [if native speaker, please mark (N)]: 
**Proposer's user account in Meta and other wikis: --[[User:Btw|Btw]] 11:39, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC) 
**User accounts of others who are willing to work on the proposed wiki: [[User:Belgian man]]
*ISO code : tvl
*proposed domain: http://tvl.wikipedia.org
*Relevant infos: 
**Link to article on the language in an existing Wikipedia: [[en:Tuvaluan language]] 
**App. number of speakers: 13 051
**Location(s) spoken: [[en:Tuvalu|Tuvalu]], Fiji, Kiribati, Nauru, New Zealand
**Closely related languages, if any: Kapingamarangi, Nukumanu, Nukuoro, Nukuria, Ontong Java, Sikaiana and Takuu, also [[en:Tokelauan language|Tokelauan]]
**External links to organizations that promote the language: 
**Tuvaluan is the most spoken language of Tuvalu. Important minority language in Fiji, Kiribati, Nauru and New Zealand.
**Tuvaluan is the '''first language''' in Tuvalu, the '''third language''' in Kiribati, the '''sixth language''' in Nauru, the '''thirteenth language''' in Fiji and the '''eighteenth language''' in New Zealand; all qua number of speakers.
*Link to request on a mailing list: 
*Comments:
**Can you speak it at some level, Belgian man? We should at no cost risk a second Naurese-debâcle. [[User:Caesarion|Caesarion]] 15:54, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**I'm not the proposer. Neither was I for na:. [[User:Belgian man|Belgian man]] 18:31, 28 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**'''Oppose''' as long as no native speakers support the idea. For further details, please see [http://na.wikipedia.org] [[User:Arbeo|Arbeo]] 20:40, 1 Jul 2005 (UTC)
**'''Strong Oppose'''. Tuvaluan is a bad language!!! No, kidding. The real reason is because of Belgian Man. I have seen his rudeness to newcomers at the Yoruba Wikipedia, and I am not impressed. --[[User:Node ue|Node ue]]
***Newcomer on yo: was a vandal. [[User:Belgian man|Belgian man]] 11:57, 27 July 2005 (UTC) 
****No, this is not the case. The newcomer nominated some of your dumb "alphabet soup" pages for deletion. These pages have no use. He did not launch a personal attack on you or anything, but you proceeded to tell him in a very rude way that he wasn't welcome. It was certainly possible that this man (or woman) is a real Yoruba speaker who you scared away -- you didn't wait to find out, though, did you?? Now, the only useful content on the Yoruba Wikipedia has been added by me (content on the mainpage). The rest is not useful at all, and many of it is at the wrong pagenames (for example the Yoruba word for Nigeria isn't "Nigeria"). Your stupid alphabet soup and number pages remain, and are of no use to anybody. If you are allowed to ruin more Wikipedias as you have ruined the Nauruan and Yoruba Wikipedias, I think it will be very bad for the aim of the foundation. You know very well that many people are already worried about your status in the Nauruan Wikipedia, it's not wise to ask for more. --Node
*****I didn't write ONE of these stupid alphabet-"articles"! How could you think that! And if I wasn't a contributor on yo:, it was now an enormous spam collection! The only thing I do there is revert spam (and other) vandalism! [[User:Belgian man|Belgian man]] 09:26, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
**'''Support''' [[User:Belgian man|Belgian man]] 21:03, 3 Jul 2005 (UTC)
**'''Support'''. Is a national language. --'''[[User:Taichi|Taichi]]''' - ([[User talk:Taichi|あ！]]) 21:30, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
**
**'''Strong Support'''. It's a well-known language with many speakers. Se (Tuvaluan for "a") Tuvaluan Wikipedia is nice.
**'''Support''' --[[User:Europa|Europa]] 03:54, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
**'''Support''' -- Why not? (if they have Internet there) [[User:Kenwilliams|Kenwilliams]] 11:13, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose with fire'''. No native speakers requested this. - [[User:FrancisTyers|FrancisTyers]] 20:03, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

=== Scouse Wikipedia (5 oppose) ===

{{New-language-template|
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|User accounts of others=
|Language code= en-sc
|Proposed domain=http://en-sc.wikipedia.org
|Wikipedia article=[[en:Scouse]]
|Native name=Scouse
|Number of speakers=441,477
|Locations spoken=Liverpool
|Related languages=English, Geordie
|Promoting organizations=http://www.scouser.com/
|Request on mailing list=
}}
*'''Oppose''', we should not have Wikipedias in the dialect of one city. Use Wikicities for initiatives like this. Neither do I see any possibility to integrate the Liverpool dialect into a bigger Wikipedia for, say, a Wikipedia for all of Middle/Northern England. These dialects are simply not considered separate languages by linguists and that must be the criterion for approving or denying such initiatives. And as I said, there ''is'' an alternative: Wikicities. [[User:Steinbach|Steinbach <small>(formerly Caesarion)</small>]] 09:48, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' is a city dialect.--'''[[User:Taichi|Taichi]]''' - ([[User talk:Taichi|あ！]]) 16:25, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''', agree with Steinbach and Taichi. --[[User:Arbeo|'''A'''<span style="font-variant:small-caps;text-transform:lowercase">RBE</span>'''0''']] 09:44, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
*'''STRONG oppose''', liv is the code for the [http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=liv Liv] language
**Indeed, I changed it. [[User:Belgian man|Belgian man]] <small>([[:nl:Gebruiker:Cars en travel|nl]] [[:na:User:Belgian man|na]] [[en:User:Belgian man|en]])</small> 15:06, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Good one. [[User:Archer7|Archer7]] 17:38, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

=== Chavacano (13 support) ===

{| class="toccolours" cellspacing="3"
|-
| '''People interested [if native speaker, please mark (N)]:''' [[User:Weekeejames|Weekeejames]] (N)
*'''Proposer's user account in Meta and other wikis:''' [[User:Weekeejames|Weekeejames]] (N)
*'''User accounts of others who are willing to work on the proposed wiki:'''
[[User:Weekeejames|Weekeejames]] (N)
|-
| '''Language code ([[w:ISO 639|ISO 639]]):''' (ISO 639-3): cbk <br>

Please take note that Chavacano does not have a standard ISO 639-1 and ISO 639-2 language codes. ISO 639-3 code for Chavacano is cbk, but Chavacano has some varieties. This request is for
the '''Chavacano de Zamboanga''' variety which has the largest number of this Philippine Creole Spanish speakers in the Philippines, being the main language of Zamboanga City, Philippines. Hence, I am requesting the language code to be used for the Chavacano de Zamboanga Wikipedia as cbk-zam (see proposed domain below).
|-
| '''Proposed domain:''' cbk-zam.wikipedia.org
|-
| '''Relevant infos:'''
*'''Link to article(s) on the language in an existing Wikipedia:''' [[:en:Chavacano]] [[:es:Chabacano]]
*'''Native name(s):''' Chavacano/Chabacano
*'''Approximate number of speakers:''' 6 to 700,000
*'''Location(s) spoken:''' Zamboanga City, Zamboanga Sibugay, Zamboanga del Norte, Zamboanga del Sur, Basilan, Cotabato, Davao, and in some parts of the Sulu Province in the Philippines. Also, in some parts of Sabah, Malaysia. The other varieties are spoken in Cavite and Ternate. There are Chavacano speakers in the Americas, Europe, Oceania, Middle East and Polynesia as part of the Filipino diaspora.
*'''Closely related languages, if any:''' Spanish and other Philippine Languages
*'''External links to organizations that promote the language:''' [http://www.zamboanga.gov.ph Government Website of Zamboanga City] [http://www.zamboanga.com www.zamboanga.com] [http://www.zamboanga.net Zamboanga.net] [http://www.zamboanga.org Zamboanga.org] [http://www.lazamboangatimes.com LA Zamboanga Times] [http://www.zamboangacity.com Zamboanga Forum]

(Please take note all these Zamboangeño websites, although presented in English, do promote Chavacano.)
|-
| '''Link to request on a mailing list:''' {{{Request on mailing list}}}
|}
====Comments:====

To those who would like to support and help, please add your name above (See People Interested)
and do not forget to mark yourself with (N) if you are a native speaker. Gracias a todos and please
help support and preserve our Hispanic heritage. --[[User:Weekeejames|Weekeejames]] 12:34, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

*'''Support'''--[[User:Harvzsf|Harvzsf]] 15:30, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support''', but the domain must be '''cbk''' because the domain is the same ISO 639 code. --'''[[User:Taichi|Taichi]]''' - ([[User talk:Taichi|あ！]]) 16:31, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
::Taichi, there are three main varieties of Chavacano whose speaks call it such.  They are sufficiently different to have their own Wikipedias.  ''cbk-zam'' specifies which variety of Chavacano the Wikipedia will be out. There could also be ''cbk-cav'' (Caviteño Chavacano) and ''cbk-ter'' (Ternateño Chavacano). --[[en:User:Christopher Sundita|Chris S.]] 17:52, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
:::If the total of chavacano speakers are 600 to 700 thounsands, ¿which percent belong for each variety? --'''[[User:Taichi|Taichi]]''' - ([[User talk:Taichi|あ！]]) 09:34, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
:::(En español) Quiero saber el porcentaje de hablantes de chabacano zamboangueño sobre las otras dos variantes. --'''[[User:Taichi|Taichi]]''' - ([[User talk:Taichi|あ！]]) 09:40, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
::::Approx. or more than 75% of Chavacano speakers are of the Zamboangeño variety. The other varieties comprise the other 25% or less. Ternateño, Davaoeño, and Cotabateño are almost extinct. Ermitaño is considered extinct, while there are still speakers of Caviteño. Today, the most speakers of Chavacano are of the Zamboangeño and Caviteño variety. --[[User:Weekeejames|Weekeejames]] 04:36, 21 May 2006 (UTC) 
::Agree for '''cbk-zam''' only for Zamboagueño, then is possibly change the request title for Zamboangueño Chavacano.--'''[[User:Taichi|Taichi]]''' - ([[User talk:Taichi|あ！]]) 09:27, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
:::Not necesarily. The spelling "Chavacano" already speaks for itself - the Zamboangeño variety. Zamboangeños have no problem spelling it with "v" while the other varieties (especially Caviteño and Ternateño) spell it as "Chabacano" with a "b". See [[:en:chavacano|Chavacano]] --[[User:Weekeejames|Weekeejames]] 15:30, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
::::YMMV with regards to the use of ''b'' and ''v'' in particular varieties of Chavacano.  I have seen Zamboangueño texts preferring ''b'' over ''v'' and vice versa for Caviteño ones. It's kind of like in other Philippine languages where people prefer Spanish-style orthography over "native" orthography. --[[en:User:Christopher Sundita|Chris S.]] 04:36, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
:::::While there are Zamboangeño texts preferring "b" over "v" of which is the original spelling in Spanish ('''chabacano'''), the spelling with a "v" ('''Chavacano''') has come to general acceptance and usage especially when referring to the word as a proper noun - the name of the language itself - and not as the Spanish adjective. This usage is common among Zamboangeños. For most Zamboangeños, Chavacano with a "v" is their kind of Chabacano variety.  One general rule among Zamboangeño writers is to spell words of Spanish origin in their Spanish spelling of words, while those of native origin in their native spelling. Thus cha'''b'''acano as an adjective (and even as a proper noun) is correct while Cha'''v'''acano as a proper noun is also considered generally accepted and correct especially in Zamboanga City. Even though Chabacano/Chavacano is a Spanish based creole, it is very much a native language because its speakers are natives and not Spaniards. Hence in this context, the Zamboangeño "Cha'''v'''acano" is a native Philippine language using a non Spanish orthography. --[[User:Weekeejames|Weekeejames]] 10:28, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support''' provided that ''cbk'' is not the domain name. --[[en:User:Christopher Sundita|Chris S.]] 17:52, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support'''--[[User:Jondel|Jondel]] 01:37, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support''' [[User:Steinbach|Steinbach <small>(formerly Caesarion)</small>]] 08:11, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support''', sure do. What are the chances of fitting the different varieties into one general Chavacano Wikipedia? --[[User:Arbeo|'''A'''<span style="font-variant:small-caps;text-transform:lowercase">RBE</span>'''0''']] 14:58, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
::::That was the initial plan (of fitting the different varieties into one general Chavacano Wikipedia). But doing so, would mean more disapproval than support. One user who strongly disagrees is [[en:User:Christopher Sundita|Chris S.]] because of vocabulary differences between the different varieties of which I agree. Imagine a Chavacano/Chabacano wikipedia being written and edited by users of the different varieties. There wouldn't be a standard form unless we are specific. Hence, this [http://cbk-zam.wikipedia.org Chavacano de Zamboanga Wikipedia] was decided for the Zamboangeño variety which has the most number of speakers. --[[User:Weekeejames|Weekeejames]] 04:36, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
:::::Alright. It was my impression, too (from information I've been able to find on the net) that the varieties are probably just too different. Thus focussing on Zamboangueño for now seems sensible. Would be great if you could find a second native speaker willing to participate (then we could move this request to "approved"). --[[User:Arbeo|'''A'''<span style="font-variant:small-caps;text-transform:lowercase">RBE</span>'''0''']] 09:02, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
::::::Right, with creole languages different varieties usually have the same name, so specifying is important. "Pidgin" for example can refer to Hawaiian Creole English or Tok Pisin of New Guinea. The word "kreol" and its variants can refer to diverse varieties of English-based varieties spoken in Belize, Sierra Leone, Australia, etc. and also to French-based ones like those in Haiti, Louisiana, etc. Of course, this isn't just limited to creoles; in the Philippines example the terms Visayan, Bikol, Ifugao, and Manobo individually refer to a variety of speech varieties. --[[en:User:Christopher Sundita|Chris S.]] 04:36, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - [[User:Belgian man|Belgian man]] <small>([[:nl:Gebruiker:Cars en travel|nl]] [[:na:User:Belgian man|na]] [[en:User:Belgian man|en]])</small> 15:09, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support'''-- --[[User:Bentong Isles|Bentong Isles]] 10:12, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support'''--[[User:Saluyot|Saluyot]] 08:24, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support''' [[User:Aeetlrsk|Aeetlrsk]] 23:25, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support'''--[[en:User:Asterion|Asterion]] 08:06, 10 June 2006 
(UTC)
*'''Support'''--[[en:User:23prootie|23prootie]] 17 June 2006 
(UTC)


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=== Hiligaynon Wikipedia (8 support, 1 oppose)===

{{New-language-template|bc
|Wiki accounts of the proposer=[[en:User:Jose77|Jose77]]
|User accounts of others= 
|Language code= hil (ISO-639-2)
|Proposed domain= hil.wikipedia.org
|Wikipedia article= [[en:Hiligaynon_language|Hiligaynon_language]]
|Native name= Hiligaynon or Ilonggo 
|Number of speakers= 7 million 
|Locations spoken= [[en:Visayas|Visayas]], ([[en:Philippines|Philippines]]) 
|Related languages= [[en:Visayan languages|Visayan languages]]
|Promoting organizations= [http://www.copewithcytokines.de/NAGATUON/ Hiligaynon on the web], [http://www.bansa.org/?q=dictionaries/cmd&dict_lang=Hiligaynon Bansa.org Hiligaynon Dictionary], [http://www.dinagyang.com Ilonggo Community], [http://IlonggoNation.blogspot.com Ilonggo Nation Movement Blog], [http://hometown.aol.com/hiligaynon/hili.htm?f=fs Hiligaynon Nation]
|Request on mailing list= &nbsp;
}}

==== Support:====
*'''Strong Support'''-found some speakers in wiki, [[en:User:23prootie|23prootie]]  17 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Strong Support''' - Hiligaynon is one of the 12-13 major languages of the Philippines.  It has more native speakers than [[:war:|Waray-Waray]] and [[:pam:|Kapampangan]] both of whom currently have functional, active Wikipedias --[[User:Harvzsf|Harvzsf]] 05:23, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Strong Support''' - it's a major regional lingua franca in western Visayas, making it the 4th most-spoken Philippine language. --[[en:User:Christopher Sundita|Chris S.]] 05:54, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support''' if supported by two or more native speakers ;-) --[[User:Arbeo|'''A'''<span style="font-variant:small-caps;text-transform:lowercase">RBE</span>'''0''']] 16:35, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Strong Support'''. it's about time. this should have been requested long time ago after the [[:ceb:|cebuano wikipedia]]. but sure, more native speakers should help. -- [[User:Saluyot|Saluyot]] 03:06, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Strong Support'''. As a native speaker of Illongo I highly support a Hiligaynon Wikipedia. It is quite a large language.[[User:24.4.106.220|24.4.106.220]] '''(N)''',  01:23, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
*{{Support}} --'''[[User:Taichi|Taichi]]''' - ([[User talk:Taichi|あ！]]) 09:48, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support''' --[[User:Belgian man|Belgian man]] <small>([[:nl:Gebruiker:Cars en travel|nl]] [[:na:User:Belgian man|na]] [[en:User:Belgian man|en]])</small> 12:04, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

==== Oppose:====

*'''Oppose with fire ''' no native speakers requested this. - [[User:FrancisTyers|FrancisTyers]] 10:18, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
:'''Question:''' If native speakers show up and prove willingness to take responsibility for the implementation of this project will you withdraw your current opposition?--[[User:Harvzsf|Harvzsf]] 05:23, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
::If more than five dedicated native speakers show up, and request this Wiki with the intention of building an encyclopaedia then sure I'd withdraw my opposition. We don't need another [[:tg:|Tajik Wikipedia]], with no good articles and no native speakers to improve it. - [[User:FrancisTyers|FrancisTyers]] 16:18, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

====Comments:====

===Chaldon-Siberian (41 support, 29 oppose)===
<div class=usermessage>ALL VOTES FROM NEW/ANONYMOUS USERS WILL BE DELETED. Could someone have a look over and delete the new user/anonym votes? Anyone tallying this up should ignore them. (see under the Chaldon section orange bar [[Requests for new languages/Non-natural|here]] for relevant discussion) 10:52, 5 June 2006 (UTC)</div>
{| class="toccolours" cellspacing="3"
|-
| '''People interested [if native speaker, please mark (N)]:''' [[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] (N)
*'''Proposer's user account in Meta and other wikis:''' [[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] (N)
*'''User accounts of others who are willing to work on the proposed wiki:'''--[[User:Nickitos|Nickitos]] (N) 17:15, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
--[[User:Kurukull|Kurukull]] 14:17, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
--[[User:Baznica|Baznica]] (N) 15:55, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
--[[User:Romych|romych]] (N) 16:24, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
--[[User:ChaldonFighter|ChaldonFighter]] (N) 04:47, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
--[[User:Ima|Ima]] 19:15, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
--[[User:Steel archer|Steel archer]] 23:44, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
--[[User:Ghzhnfh|Ghzhnfh]] 17:11, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
|-
| '''Language code ([[w:ISO 639|ISO 639]]):''' none, proposed: ru-sibir <s>sib</s> <small>[http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=sib <tt>sib</tt> is the Sebob Kenyah code]. [[User:Belgian man|Belgian man]] <small>([[:nl:Gebruiker:Cars en travel|nl]] [[:na:User:Belgian man|na]] [[en:User:Belgian man|en]])</small> 15:43, 29 May 2006 (UTC)</small>
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| '''Proposed domain:''' ru-sib.wikipedia.org <small>[http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=sib <tt>sib</tt> is the Sebob Kenyah code]. [[User:Belgian man|Belgian man]] <small>([[:nl:Gebruiker:Cars en travel|nl]] [[:na:User:Belgian man|na]] [[en:User:Belgian man|en]])</small> 15:43, 29 May 2006 (UTC)</small>

Test wiki: http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Test-WP/chal 
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| '''Relevant infos:'''
*'''Link to article(s) on the language in an existing Wikipedia:''' ru: [[Сибирский язык]], ukr: [[Сибірська мова]]
*'''Native name(s):''' Сибирской говор, чалдонской говор
*'''Approximate number of speakers:'''  5 - 10 millions, about 20% of slavonic siberian population still remember the language
*'''Location(s) spoken:''' Sibir
*'''Closely related languages, if any:''' Russian, Ukrainian, Belarusian
*'''External links to organizations that promote the language:'''  http://volgota.com, http://www.sibiria.org, http://www.baznica.info, http://inache.net
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| '''Link to request on a mailing list:''' 
|}

====Chaldon-Siberian - Support====
*'''Support''' --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 09:30, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support''' -- --[[User:ChaldonFighter|ChaldonFighter]] 04:47, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
*'''Weak Support'''. Just to see if something worthwhile comes out out of it. It seems that only a handful of ehthusiasts are interested in this project. But if it works out, why not? --[[User:Rydel|Rydel]] 14:45, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support''' see [[:w:ru:Сибирский язык]] --[[User:Yakudza|Yakudza]] 15:42, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
::this even hardly could be called dialect. just unpopular slang of several people. [[User:Elk Salmon|Elk Salmon]] 17:02, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''', I hope this project can develop later. But now it isn't so popular. --[[User:AndyVolykhov|AndyVolykhov]] 20:59, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support''' -- [[User:Bluz|Volodymyr Forostyna]] 00:28, 08 June 2006 (UTC)
I think difference between Siberian and Komi - Komi acknowledged by autorities of Russia. Than Siberian has same rights.
*'''Support''' -- Steel archer@uk.wikipedia.org, steel_archer@livejournal.com
*'''Support''' -- Pavel Levushkan http://www.baznica.info
*'''Support''' -- Aleksej Tajlakov(N) addpri@mail.ru
*'''Support''' -- Roman Baiduk bydook@gmail.com
*'''Support''' -- rutopist editor@inache.net
*'''Support''' -- Nefis (N) manzara@mail.ru
*'''Support''' -- Oleg Dudnyk knyga@ukr.net
*'''Support''' -- Alexei aka Axios tarseo@mail.ru
*'''Support''' -- Helgi Litvin vujaka@yandex.ru
*'''Support''' -- Siarhiej Bałachonaŭ balachon@gmail.com http://balachonau.puls.by
*'''Support''' - --[[User:Kivan|Kivan]] 17:36, 1 June 2006 (UTC) Siberian is language of my ancestors, i wish to restore it and i want that it had the free reference in territory of Siberia. Or we should drown moscovites in blood. Thanks
*'''Support''' --vaenn; vaenn.livejournal.com 00:28, 08 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support''' --[[User:MountainBlueAllah|MountainBlueAllah]] 06:58, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

*Support --Alex_Yesod 18:17, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
*Support -- Dmitry Petuk 00:28, 08 June 2006 (UTC)
*Support -- totsamjy forumm@mail2000.ru
*Support -- Михаил kow@mail.ru
*Support -- Сергій Вдовиченко, Київ mlody.gniewny@gmail.com vates-faith.livejournal.com
*Support -- Ihar Trafimovicz http://unutranyholas.com/
*Support -- Sergey Sechiv sergeyv4 @ gmail.com
*Support -- Виктор Николаев, Санкт-Петербург v_shavy@yahoo.com
* Support -- Елена Львова, Санкт-Петербург, elenabenaryeh@msn.com
* Support -- Роман Еримеенко, Луганск, romychvk@gmail.com http://megalit.ru
*'''Support''' -- [[User:Zlobny|Jan Marozau]],  Miensk, janmarozau@gmail.com http://hondurazian.livejournal.com
*Support -- Maria Sadzhenytsya , Lviv, rikitiki@ukr.net
*Support -- Taras Manolov, Lund (taras.manolov@med.lu.se)
* Support -- Kojpiš Anton, Minsk kojpish@bk.ru http://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Coipition%27Tong
* Support - I'm ready to write and read. -- --Nickitos 18:07, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
* Support -- (Oleksiy, Odessa) (zvoopz@ua.fm)
* Support (Petro Batozhenko) (http://yanek.livejournal.com/).
* Support (Yan Roginevich)(http://kvasimodo.livejournal.com/). --Kvasimodo 12:34, 2 June 2006 
(UTC)
*'''support'''. [[User:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] 16:50, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
*<s> '''Support''' --[[User:Yakudza|Yakudza]] 15:28, 14 June 2006 (UTC)</s>
*: Already voted. [[User:Edward Chernenko|Edward Chernenko]] 09:23, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support''' [[User:Jcb|Jcb]] 22:25, 22 June 2006 (UTC) - The wiki would start with more than 200 articles, which is quite a lot for a starting wiki.
*'''Support'''. This language is an interesting thing to learn and to try speaking it is even more interesting.[[User:Ghzhnfh|Ghzhnfh]] 17:11, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

====Chaldon-Siberian - Oppose====
*'''Oppose''' - None references in Google nor Wikipedia, doubtful about the approximate number of speakerse because the absent of ISO 639 code.--'''[[User:Taichi|Taichi]]''' - ([[User talk:Taichi|あ！]]) 18:25, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
:Ethnologue.com is the reference about if this language exists, is a lie about the 5-10 millions, exists languages with few speakers (hundreds or dozens) and has a ISO code. I suspect about the support of the IP annonymous, because only Yaroslav is the unique registered user. --'''[[User:Taichi|Taichi]]''' - ([[User talk:Taichi|あ！]]) 22:41, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
: Requests to ethnologue.com and ISO today were made by our group --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 13:41, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''STRONG oppose - slb is the code for [http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=slb the Saluan language].

: '''sib''' but not '''slb''' --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 04:27, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

: Just please type "Chaldon Siberia" in Google, and we can show a lot of people how know the language, and promote it. All the three east-slavonic wikis (russian, ukrainian, belorussian) have articles about the language --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 18:36, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
*'''Strongly oppose''' -- '''sib''' is the ISO 639 code for the '''Sebob language spoken in Kenyah''', classified as a living language in Ethnologue and accepted in the ISO 639 standard. <span style="color:red">'''Please stop inventing codes'''</span> like this. '''First check ISO 639 resources'''. If there's no code in ISO 639, don't assign your own code (all 2or 3 letter codes are reserved for exclusive assignment in ISO 639). For now the only viable code will be based on the code for Russian, i.e. as a variant of Russian: ''ru-siberian'', or using the RFC 3066 recommadned notation for languages without codes: (e.g. ''x-siberian-chaldon''). I really urge you to contact the Russian standard organism to ask for assistance if you want a code in ISO 639. And also, try to find accurate (academic) references about this language, because there's for now no evidence that it is really different from Russian, and no evidence that it is even classified in the East Slavonic language family! And also there's no evidence from other native people in this area (other areas outside Russia do use recognized East Slavonic languages but there may be legends about the Siberian variant that they have never actually heard!).

: Academic refrences about differences between siberian dialects and official russian will be enough or not? And what is about other native people? 10 of them went here for vote. --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 21:07, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

:: Note that if this is a reconstructed language, its base is still the modern Russian, and the variant is based on Old Slavonic, so the code to use should reflect this: the only viable code for now is '''ru-''' followed by the ISO 639 code '''chu''' assigned for Old Church Slavonic (don't use the two letter code there because it's reserved for ISO 3166 country codes). This would give the final code '''ru-chu'''.
:: The people in other countries that are supporting the project won't accept to use Russian as the base for this reconstruction, although they may support the idea of reintroducing features from the Old Slavonic language. They would then create a variant that would be different from the variant being built in the far Siberia, and so they would create things like '''uk-chu''' in Ukrainia or '''ge-chu''' in Georgia, which will remain unofficial dialects until they get a true population. For now, those theoric constructions are NOT living languages. [[User:Verdy p|Verdy P]] 16:59, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Language itself is [[:en:Wikipedia:No original research|original research]]. Does it exist somewhere beyond LJ? Does any scientific institution codify it?  --[[User:EugeneZelenko|EugeneZelenko]] 20:51, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

:Yes, in real dialects of the Chaldons and in literary form in vlogota.com and other sites beyond LJ. Do you want to say that Chaldons do not exist or that volgota.com do not exist?--[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 21:06, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

:: I think that http://samir74.livejournal.com, http://volgota.com/ and [[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] are same person. Please avoid self-references. It's still original research.
:: According to [[:ru:Сибирский язык]] (still not NPOV): Chaldon-Siberian is project of constructed language ... Created in 2005. (''Сиби́рский язы́к — проект искусственного языка, создаваемого на базе восточнославянских диалектов Сибири, в основном старожильческих говоров XIX века, с участием тюркских, монгольских и арабских заимствований. Возник в 2005.''). I don't know how much common it has with language of Chaldons. Other linguists could answer this question. Please give any credible references.
:: [[User:EugeneZelenko|EugeneZelenko]] 03:13, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

::: 1. Chaldon dialect exists: http://www.yandex.ru/yandsearch?rpt=rad&text=%F1%E8%E1%E8%F0%F1%EA%E8%E9+%F1%F2%E0%F0%EE%E6%E8%EB%FC%F7%E5%F1%EA%E8%E9+%E3%EE%E2%EE%F0
::: 2. The literary form exists: http://www.yandex.ru/yandsearch?text=%F1%E8%E1%E8%F0%F1%EA%E8%E9+%FF%E7%FB%EA&stype=www
::: 3. Russian wiki lies for political reasons, hating any language except russian for siberian slavonians. --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 04:27, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

:::: According to http://uk.wikipedia.org/: "Сибірська мова — літературна мова, створена у 2005 році на основі східнослов'янських діалектів Сибіру, здебільшого старожитецьких говірок XIX сторіччя" (Siberian language is literary language based on dialects of Siberia", but russians they themselves consider their article not NPOV. --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 04:36, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

::::: Please don't lie for political reasons too. And please don't talk about politics here. According to [[:be:Сыбірская мова]] it's still ''праект штучнай мовы'' (project of constructed language). From uk: article (from beginning to 29 січня 2006 version, excluding last days editing) ''напівштучна мова'' (half-constructed, as far a I understand Ukrainian). Again, where are references to external sources? --[[User:EugeneZelenko|EugeneZelenko]] 13:44, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

:::::: What lie, when russian wiki tried to write there "this is a project which is against russian state", and only protests of siberian and belorussian democrats stopped to do this? The history is available, and anybody can see this. The belorussian version just translates russian one. http://volgota.com, http://inache.net and other sites that promote - is it enough for external sources? --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 13:52, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

::::::: Anyway, moved to non-natural, though it is natural, and there is about 20 voices in support yet --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 13:55, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

::::::::Please move the request to [[Requests for new languages/Non-natural]], because this is an artificial language. --'''[[User:Taichi|Taichi]]''' - ([[User talk:Taichi|あ！]]) 05:03, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

::::::::: It is not, but it is possible to create the wiki if it will be considered artificial? --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 06:14, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' language does not seem to be natural; otherwise Slavonic variants spoken in Siberia are simply Russian dialects not really much different from Moscow or St.-Peterburg Russian. [[User:Steinbach|Steinbach <small>(formerly Caesarion)</small>]] 13:37, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

: Really, we want to restore the ancient dialect of 17-18 centuries, and to make it modern language. I do not know how it can be classified, as natural or non-natural, but there are many enthusiasts of this project. --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 19:39, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' for as long as Yaroslav doesn't provide information from <u>independent, neutral</u> sources that indicates that this is a distinct and existing language (I can't find any at present). [[User:Arbeo|'''A'''<span style="font-variant:small-caps;text-transform:lowercase">RBE</span>'''0''']] 12:26, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
: Ok, I know it is hard to find and <u>independent, neutral</u> source in such topic - all russian sources denies the language with great energy, and all tha siberian separatists and some kazakhstan and ukrainian sources support it with the same energy. Well, if I will work with the wiki as if it would be an artificial language (request is already made), and it will be five or more contributors from native siberians or not, who will write in such wiki, will you oppose then? --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 12:54, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

: Ha, imagine, they write here "the whole language is invented by Yaroslav". What word, I wonder? "Odnako" or maybe "shanezhka" or maybe "basko"?))) And in their wiki they write "invented by Yaroslav to destroy Russia". Well, if they themselves want Russia to be destroyed, we shall destroy Russia. Long live Great Novgorod and free Siberia! --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 19:44, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

: I have some time now. Links about the siberian language NOT FROM LJ or Volgota.com:

: http://e-novosti.info/forumo/viewtopic.php?t=1819 (discussion about necessary of tukr words are they allowed or not)

: Kazakhstan article http://www.dialog.kz/site.php?lan=russian&id=76&pub=1032 (positive)

: Ukrainian article http://lab.org.ua/article/727/ (positive)

: Latvian forum http://www.evangelie.ru/forum/archive/t-14778-p-2.html (positive reaction)

: Ukrainian forums http://forum.sevastopol.info/viewtopic.php?p=134921&sid=e1bfb2dad69ccbe92f653f8e69a61352
: http://www.novy.tv/ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20068&sid=6dfe6e7e13df8be971f34aa81aa365c5
: (positive reaction, people reciting verses in siberian)

: Russian forum http://www.disenteria.ru/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=7492&s= (some people from Siberia testify that they know this words and grammar)

: Moscow forum http://forum.msk.ru/wap/news.wml?id=2200 (negative reaction, but the language considered natural)

: All this sources do not belong to me, but all of them consider the language natural (the lie about it's non-naturality was completely made by russian nationalists), and all of them consider that the language is based on real dialects of old siberian people.

: There are some sources not from the Internet, but perhaps nobody here read russian magazines.
--[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 19:41, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''', and bring here false users votes will not help this request. [[User:Hégésippe Cormier|Hégésippe]] | [[User talk:Hégésippe Cormier|±Θ±]] 12:28, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

: Why do you think they are false? IP are from all the world, and they provide their emails. --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 13:26, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - All of it is nothing but a Svidomy Ukrainian stunt [http://community.livejournal.com/ukr_nationalism/ see Monday, May 29th, 2006]. [[en:User:Kuban kazak|Kuban Cossack]].

:FYI 'svidomy' translates from Ukrainian as 'conscious'; 'conscientious', "сознательный" by Russian. Some bad people called 'ruspats' using it for offending Ukrainians. Амиго, приезжай в Украину, подарю тебе атлас мира, чтобы ты смог ощутить разницу между Украиной и Сибирью. Кстати, ты хоть там хоть там бывал? -- --[[User:Fanex|Dmitry Petuk]] 11:53, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[User:Fanex|Dmitry Petuk]

::Amigo my wife is from Rivne (where I lived for three years) and right now I am writing from Feodosiya. However the point is not between Ukraine and Siberia, the point is: '''ARE YOU GOING TO PARTICIPATE IN CHALDON-SIBERIAN WIKIPEDIA?''' and '''ARE YOU NATIVE OF SIBERIA?'''. Because so far I am '''yet to see a Siberian IP in the list'''. So are you trying to use your ''conscience'' to prove that you are capable of starting a pointless wiki, because in such a case it really is a waste of conscience. BTW, thanks for the world atlas, but I have one already, although I must say when one sees Siberia in full he really could not take not to notice how small '''and near''' does Ukraine appear to its western borders ;). [[en:User:Kuban kazak|Kuban Cossack]]

:::In fact [http://community.livejournal.com/ukraine_russia/201519.html]. Bottom phrase is ''Считаю, что пост имеет прямое отношение к теме сообщества, так как сибирский язык в настоящее время не признается официально в России, но официально признается на многих сайтах украинского Интернета.''

::: I feel that the post has direct relation to our community because the sibirian language is officialy unrecognised in Russia but is officialy recognised on many Ukrainian sites. That appears to be the only reason and it is fully anecdotical. [[en:User:Kuban kazak|Kuban Cossack]]

:::: So do you believe that ukrainians have no rights to vote in wikipedia? Are the votes false because part of them are ukrainians?:-) --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 16:17, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
:::::And how many articles are going to be written in that language? Will those Ukrainians write them? Or will it be an empty encyclopedia? Also it is true that Ukrainians, particulary the IP adresses of those that voted do not originate from Sibirea. So if the request was put up by '''native Siberian people''' then I would have understood the '''handful of ehthusiasts''' argument, and supported them, but this I am sorry is nothing but a political stunt and a sham, which IMO is deragotory in such a sense. 
:::::Well perhaps if it does succeed, I wonder how long will it be before there would wikis in Surzhik,  Trasyanka, our Kuban balachka or even UDAFF.net dialogue (because you can't really call that a language.)--[[en:User:Kuban kazak|Kuban Cossack]]

:: The wiki is tested now, and it is not empty. Why do you think it is relevant to the vote to be from Siberia or not? And to make Kuban balachka a full language and write wikipedia on it seems for me a good idea)) --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 15:57, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

:::That is the whole point, balachka is not a full language because its is a hybrid between Russian and 18th century Ukrainian. lso as it has no script or grammar and as it varies with locations (one stanitsa will pronounce the Гs as Hs, another as Gs or some will muffle them altogether) and generations (compare to how some old Cossacks speak and how some young children talk - BIG difference) so what is going to define it? Same with Surzhik and trasianka and even udaff... It would be nothing but a waste of time, as there is no printed literature in balachka let alone written sources. Moreover if official academies of Sciences from various states decree it as a dialect of Russian how are you going to make it a separate language? It is as rediculous as having different English wikis, and not American and British, but English and Scottish would be the comparison. Finally it is relevant that none of the votes originate from Siberia as it puts suspicion on just how widespread the project will become. Finally the fact that it has '''no international language code''' as opposed to tongues that are right now EXTINCT, I see very little prospect for it, and view this as nothing but a Livejournal.com April Fools joke. [[en:User:Kuban kazak|Kuban Cossack]]

:::: But if the balachka had its own tradition, it would be a language. And we are just trying to make this tradition for siberian language, which has many cossack words too, because old siberians was some kind of mixture from cossacks, pomors, and aborigens. International language code can be achieved, and we work at this. About 10 of the voters were from Siberia, so your argument is irrelevant. --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 20:00, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

:::::This is not tradition, this is a language that is unrecognised and has no grammatical or linguistic structure. That is what is important. As for votes here we go:
:::::#[http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_new_languages&diff=368357&oldid=367967 fanex], IP - Cherkassy, Ukraine
:::::#[http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_new_languages&diff=367869&oldid=367865 vaenn], IP - Dnebrovsky, Dnepropetrovsk Oblast - Ukraine
:::::#[http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_new_languages&diff=prev&oldid=367865 Alexei], IP - Ukraine
:::::#[http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_new_languages&diff=362511&oldid=362501 Alex Yesod], IP - Moscow
:::::#[http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_new_languages&diff=360904&oldid=360903 Helgi Litvin], IP - Germany.
:::::#[http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_new_languages&diff=360901&oldid=360899 Siarhiej Bałachonaŭ] IP - Gomel
:::::#[http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_new_languages&diff=360896&oldid=360883 Oleg Dudnyk] IP - Kiev, Ukraine
:::::#[http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_new_languages&diff=360866&oldid=360864 rutopist] IP - St. Petersburg  
:::::#[http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_new_languages&diff=360852&oldid=360840 Roman Baiduk] IP - Kiev (actually some of the IPs look so similar in numbers that it makes me want to really wonder how many real users there are...)
:::::#[http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_new_languages&diff=360839&oldid=360816 Aleksej Tajlakov] IP - Tomsk (1st Siberian author)
:::::#[http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_new_languages&diff=360816&oldid=360807 Pavel Levushkan] IP - Latvia
:::::#[http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_new_languages&diff=360727&oldid=360639 Steel Archer] IP - Ukraine
::::So '''ONE''' native Siberian editor. Rydel is Belarusian, Nefis whose user page is deleted [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Nefis&action=edit]. Kivan, whose strong nationalistic russophobia is not a valid reason for a wikipedia as it will immediately question the future neutrality. So '''where are your Siberian voters'''? Finally why is it 33 when I count 16 supporters, of which only '''one''' is confirmed Siberian. [[en:User:Kuban kazak|Kuban Cossack]]

:::: Nickitos, Baznica, Kivan, I, Misha - all are from Siberia. Just see voting in non-natural section. I summarize votes in non-natural and natural sections, because it is all the same for us, if the lang will be considered natural or not, and I appealed to the ours vote in non-natural section because it is more likely to be successful. And there are about 10 siberians. --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 08:51, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

*'''Oppose'''. So-called siberian "language" is not actually a language, but a dialect of Russian. --[[User:Jaroslavleff|Jaroslavleff]] 09:08, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
* '''Strong Oppose'''. This so-called "language" isn't natural. [[User:Edward Chernenko|Edward Chernenko]] 15:17, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
** На основании чего ты делаешь столь брутальные выводы? [[User:Steel archer|Steel archer]] 23:41, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
*** Ёлки-палки, кого я вижу. Наши оранжевые друзья уже здесь. Вот откуда весь сыр-бор. Надо будет попробовать открыть Википедию на албанском :) [[User:Edward Chernenko|Edward Chernenko]] 14:57, 9 June 2006 (UTC)


*<s>'''Strongly Oppose''' --[[User:64.229.157.212|64.229.157.212]] 00:45, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
This "proposal" should be classified as vandalism. This language is not real people! What next, should we legalize Marklar from [[South Park]] too?<s>
*'''Oppose.''' It is rather a practical joke similar to the currently discussed at [[w:Wikipedia:Deletion_review#Siberian_language]]. If chaldon enthusiasts have bandwidth to waste, by all means. But not within the common project. [[User:Mikkalai|Mikkalai]] 00:03, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Strong Oppose'''. It's a joke... -- [[User:Grafikm fr|Grafikm fr]] 18:23, 12 June 2006 (UTC) 
:P.S.: My meta account is new, but my [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Grafikm_fr en Wiki account] is my main one, don't forget this please :))
*'''oppose''', enthusiasm is no proof of language and no reason for wikipedia section. --[[User:Irpen|Irpen]] 07:45, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Strongly Oppose''', there are no 5-10mln of speakers, where the hell did you digged them out? Siberia population is 20mln, where 80% are Russians and most of them came to Siberia durring Soviet urbanisation of Siberia. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Elk_Salmon Elk Salmon] 08:17, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
: I consider every northern dialect speaker as speaker of siberian --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 18:43, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

:: You could consider as much as you want. But they should consider your language before opening Wikipedia on it. --[[User:EugeneZelenko|EugeneZelenko]] 14:09, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

: And Sberıa ıs not only SFO, but SFO + UFO  + DFO, about 40 mln, 25% sons of the old siberians. --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 19:52, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
::  Far East is not Siberia and as well as Ural. And where is figure 25% from? Just your fantasy? This is not language, not even dialect, but just slang of '''several''' people. [[User:Elk Salmon|Elk Salmon]] 23:59, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
::: About Ural for example read the article "Siberia" in english wiki. The map there covers Ural and northern areas of UFO. Siberian goverments of 1918 considered Far East as part of siberia. Putin's SFO is not Siberia, just modern demarkation. About the percentage read:  "По подсчетам новосибирского ученого В.Н. Курилова, "удельный вес потомков русских старожилов в современном населении Западной Сибири может быть оценен в 15–20%". Этот вывод не кажется справедливым, так как русские старожилы не исчезли физически, более того, как показывает исследование современного этнического самосознания русских сибиряков, современные жители Сибири являются прямыми наследниками старожильческого населения, поскольку  унаследовали от них этническую идентичность" http://ethnography.omskreg.ru/page.php?id=728

::: Yes, and comparing to this [[en:Category:Russian internet slang|Russian internet slang]] ([[ru:Жаргон падонков|Жаргон падонков]]) is very popular ;) [[User:Edward Chernenko|Edward Chernenko]] 18:14, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

:::: But Russian internet slang contains about 100 words and no grammar, and Siberian language 15 000 words and specific grammar. --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 14:08, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

*Oppose [[User:Ochkarik|Ochkarik]] 01:34, 15 June 2006 (UTC)  

*'''Strong oppose''', this is ridiculous. [[User:MaxSem|Max<font size="+1">''S''</font>em]] 16:34, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

*'''Strong oppose'''. Small flash mob-like group of russian LJ users tries to promote their project in Wiki. --[[:ru:user:Boleslav1|Boleslav1]].
*'''Strong Oppose''' -- I live in Siberia but I have never heard about any "Siberian language". This is a recently constructed language which exists only in LJ. Only several people use it. [[:ru:user:DonaldDuck|DonaldDuck]]
:Еще услышишь. --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 04:58, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

* '''Oppose'''. Strange, but my previous vote about it was removed by somebody. [[User:Maximaximax|MaxiMaxiMax]] 05:58, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
* '''Oppose'''. [[User:Amdf|Amdf]] 12:06, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
* '''Oppose'''. This 'language' really exists in LJ only. [[:ru:user:Dm]]
* '''Oppose'''. So called "Russian scam". [[:ru:user:Otf|OckhamTheFox]]

::Quite fine to hear this from Russian --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 16:40, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
::: Ничего удивительного. Возможно, вы путаете слова scum и scam. [[:ru:user:Otf|OckhamTheFox]]
::: Quite fine to see Russian (not Ukranian or American!) saying so about ru.wiki and it's users :) [[User:Edward Chernenko|Edward Chernenko]] 18:36, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
:::: What have I say about ru.wiki? We like russian people dialects, but OckhamTheFox names this "Russian scam". But he himself is russian, maybe his vote is also "Russian scam"? It is fun)) And no word about ruwiki here))) --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 18:54, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' [[User:Drbug|D'''r''' B'''u'''g]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Drbug&amp;action=edit&amp;section=new ] 07:01, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. I was born in Siberia and spent more than 20 years there. [[:ru:user:Neko]]
: Why not 555 years, and what relation it has to the request? --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 13:31, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

*'''Oppose'''. <s>фтопку</s>. I was born in Siberia and spent more than 17 years there. [[:ru:user:Lone Guardian]]
* '''Oppose''', фэйк [[:ru:user:Glaue2dk]]
* '''Oppose'''. Apparently an artificially constructed language with no native speakers, a mixture of archaic Russian dialects of Siberia (composed by a bunch of total dilettants in Russian dialectology) with a large infusion of words from Arabic and Persian (sic!). The latter could be changed for Chinese or Pali "loans", were Yaroslav a Buddhist and not a Muslim. As a constructed language, this one does not seem to be known and employed enough so that to qualify for a distinct Wikipedia. Please, note that the article about this ideom itself has been deleted in en:wiki and is currently voted for deletion in ru:wiki. Wouldn't it be stupid on the part of Wiki-Community to proclaim a language not significant enough to be mentioned in Wikipedia at all and at the same time significant enough to start a special Wikipedia in it? P.S. This is my first edit at meta actually, but with 2500+ edits in ru:wiki and a few hundred in en:wiki, I think, I am not a complete newbie. -- [[User:Dmitry Gerasimov|Dmitry Gerasimov]] 18:29, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

::: No arabic words in current version, some attempts to use them were a year ago, but failed. Still mentioned in 4 wikis --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 20:29, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
* '''Oppose'''. This 'language' is not exist. --[[User:Kaganer|Kaganer]] 18:22, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
: If the language do not exist, by what language are written the articles in incubator?--[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 12:42, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
* '''Oppose'''. There could be some dialect of Russian in XIX century, but not distinct enough, neither it exists now. The project is proposed by persons who make some seditious insets in texts in Russian wikipedia, exaggerating the Siberian regionalism. Also the author failed to provide a reference to any reliable book (ISBN), so the language movement exists only in the Internet => '''original research'''. [[User:Siberiano|Siberiano]] 08:38, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
: Another russian comes to lie for political reasons. Were the words taken from the Internet, or from the books with ISBN? Just see 10 books in non-natural section from which the words were taken. And why if movement exists in Internet, it is OR? Who established this equality Internet=OR? About 20 articles about the language were published in the Net or not in the Net, so it can not be OR by definition. And about the russian wikipedia I do not understand you))) why your relation to the Siberian regionalism is relevant on question of language? The truth is that you hate siberian regionalism, and this is why you declare the language OR here. But you can not stop us, sibwiki is about 600 articles already, soon will be 1000, 2000, 3000, 10000. Everybody from us know that the words are real and we heard them from our fathers, who lived in Siberia for centuries. --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 09:08, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

:: I have about 500 reliable sources about the siberian dialect. Just read the first 10 -

1. Блинова О.И., Мартынова С.Э. словарь образных слов и выражений народного говора. – Томск: Изд-во научно-технической литературы, 1997 – 206с.

2.Богословская З.М. Словарь вариантной лексики сибирского говора. – Томск, 2000. – Т.1 – 303с.

3. Вершининский словарь/ Гл. ред. О.И. Блинова. – Томск: Изд-во Том. ун-та, 1998-2001. Т.1-5.

4. Полный словарь сибирского говора/ Гл. ред. О.И.Блинова. – Томск: Изд-во Том. ун-та, 1992-1995. – т. 1-4.

5. Иванцова Е.В. Феномен диалектной языковой личности. – Томск: Изд-во Том. ун-та,2002. – 312с.

6. Словарь просторечных русских говоров/ Гл. ред. О.И.Блинова 1998. – 320с.

7. Раков Г.А. Диалектный идеографический словарь. – Томск. – изд-во Том. ун-та, 1998. – 345с.

8 Словарь русских старожильческих говоров Среднего Прииртышья. В 3 т. Томск, 1992.

9 Садретдинова Г.А. История заселения русскими Западной Сибири в связи с изучением сибирских старожильческих говоров. //Диалектологические и историко-лингвистические проблемы. Омск, 1999.

10 Даль В.И. Толковый словарь живого великорусского языка: в 4 т., М., 1989.

If you shall not stop your lie about siberian language and movement, I shall copy all the 500 sources here in the voting. You can see that siberians now write 100 articles a day, so we are very steady, and sure we shall copy the 500 sources here if moscovites will not cease to lie. --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 09:42, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
:: No, that's you who lies. Nowhere in any Siberian city anybody speaks this language. You try to present a set of vocabulary deviations, dialects, for a single language. You mix together here the vocabularies of Siberian rural dialects and dialects of old believers who lived isolately. So, there is just a set of different words and different meanings that need explanation for a non-familiar, but not more. The titles say for everything: говор (patois). Why do you list here Даль В.И. (Dal V.I.), Russian dictionary? [[User:Siberiano|Siberiano]] 13:12, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

::: So siberian words exist and combined together they form the language which was spoken in 19 century, and this language we want to restore. Some words are in Dal vocabulary. Dal considered ukrainian, belorussian and siberian as three "dialect" the most different from the official Russian. The sources testify, that the language of old Siberians was VERY different from the official Rissian. This is truth, but you say lie - "not distinct enough, neither it exists now". It exists in Siberian villages, and in hearts of Siberian intellegent people. --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 13:29, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
:: And stop that bullshit about regionalism. I'm a Sibeian regionalist. But you try to promote a fake language project for an unknown purpose. [[User:Siberiano|Siberiano]] 13:21, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
::: LOL, every moscovite here will soon declare himself siberian regionalist and siberian, for stop the development of the language)))) just read volgota.com and other sites about our purposes, and cease lie here. We shall do 1000 articles until the Siberian Independence Day (17 july), and 10 000 until the day of White-Green Army (29 january), and your lie will be of no effect. --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 13:29, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
:::: LOL at you, man and about those tales of language living in "hearts of intelligent people". I know the history well, but the language is your invention.  And I'm not a moscovite, lier. You can't prove anything without trying to pesonally insult the opposed. '''Do not feed the troll'''. [[User:Siberiano|Siberiano]] 14:00, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

:::: It was your goal to begin personal insult here, because you came with a complete lie and can not proof it, and came with personal insults about exaggeration of siberian regionalism) Provide any reliable sources that you are not moscovite)) By your own logic, if you can not proof that you are siberian, but fight in the Moscow part, I think that you are moscovite)) and this is a complete  LOL that you are siberian regionalist) to what group do you belong, who is the leader of your group, in what actions did you participate? --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 03:25, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

* '''Oppose'''. --[[User:Paginazero|Paginazero]] 19:05, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

=== Request tamazirght  (berber) ===

{| class="toccolours" cellspacing="3"
|-
| '''People interested [if native speaker, please mark (N)]:'''
*'''Proposer's user account in Meta and other wikis:''' [[User:Amazigh]] (N)
*'''User accounts of others who are willing to work on the proposed wiki:'''
{{{User accounts of others}}}
|-
| '''Language code ([[w:ISO 639|ISO 639]]):''' [http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=tzm tzm]
|-
| '''tzm.wikipedia.org:'''
|-
| '''Relevant infos:'''
*'''Link to article(s) on the language in an existing Wikipedia:''' [[Berber_language]]  [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berber_language berber language and people]

*'''Native name(s):''' Amazighens or Imazirghens,(kabylles,Rifains,Souss,Chleuh...)

*'''Approximate number of speakers:''' 60 à 80 Millions

*'''Location(s) spoken:''' France,Espana,Germany,Belgium,Neederlands,Quebec,USA,Morocco,Algeria,
Mauritus,Sahara,Tunisia,Lybia,Egypt,Soudan,Ethiopia,Mali,Niger...

*'''Closely related languages, if any:''' Arab,French,English,Spanish,Deutch,dialectal.

*'''External links to organizations that promote the language:''' 

*--Site officiel du Congrès Mondial Amazigh(CMA). 
Défense des droits et des intérêts de la nation amazighe.
http://www.congres-mondial-amazigh.org World Congree Amazigh

*--Baby Wiki
 [http://www.tamazirght.org Support Amazigh-Org french association]
*--Amazigh-Voice.com; Amazigh Tamazight. ... Amazigh Cultural Association 
in America - It is organized and operated exclusively for 
cultural, educational... ...
[http://www.amazigh-voice.com Amazigh Voice]

*--when North Africa speaks about itself (AmazighWorld ...
Amazigh- windows on the Amazigh (berber) world : 
culture,music, human rights, amazigh 
studies, gallery, communication, 
all about imazighen (berbers) in ...
[http://www.amazighworld.org Amazigh World]

*--Amazigh Quebec
[http://www.amazigh-quebec.org Amazigh Quebec]

*--Amazigh.nl.Les imazirghens en Hollande ;Bewust van de waarde van cultuur en identiteitNederlandstalige site over de Amazigh taal, geschiedenis, culturele kenmerken, 
literaire werken, muziek.
[http://www.amazigh.nl Amazigh Nedeerlands]


|-
| '''Request on mailing list :''' amazigh
|}

'''Oppose''' The proposal is very wide and confusing; the berberian languages are numerous, the '''tzm''' code is used only for the Central Atlas Tamazight language, spoken by 3.1 millons of people in Morocco and Algeria.--'''[[User:Taichi|Taichi]]''' - ([[User talk:Taichi|あ！]]) 06:28, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

*Why opose? There are multiple [http://www.ethnologue.com/show_family.asp?subid=90005 Tamazight] languages see the reference to Ethnologue. When they support a few million people, I think that is ample for a new project. [[User:GerardM|GerardM]] 20:03, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - [[User:Belgian man|Belgian man]] <small>([[:nl:Gebruiker:Cars en travel|nl]] [[:na:User:Belgian man|na]] [[en:User:Belgian man|en]])</small> 09:50, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' no native speakers requested this. - [[User:FrancisTyers|FrancisTyers]] 20:12, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

How is it related to French English or Spanish?--[[User:69.174.252.80|69.174.252.80]] 02:49, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

===Aramaic/Syriac Wiktionary===
I propose that the should be a new wiktionary intended for aramaic/syriac speakers. I propose that it be titled "syr.wiktionary.org". This would be a good resource for Chaldeans, Assyrians, Maronites, other Syriac speaking people. I do speak the language, know its spellings, and I wish to administate this webpage to prevent false definitions of words or mispelled words. I need to know how to establish this wiktionary and to change the fonts used within it. I am Makkow [[User:makkow|makkow]] and i would greatly appreciate the help. Thank you!

People interested [(N)]: 
Proposer's user account in Meta and other wikis: {{{makkow}}} 
User accounts of others who are willing to work on the proposed wiki: 
{{{User accounts of others}}}
 
Language code (ISO 639): {{{syr}}} 
Proposed domain: {{{syr.wiktionary.org}}} 
Relevant infos: 
Link to article(s) on the language in an existing Wikipedia: {{{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syriac_language}}} 
Native name(s): {{{Syriac}}} 
Approximate number of speakers: {{{2.5 Million speak fluently but in different dialects}}} 
Location(s) spoken: {{{Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine, Israel, Syria, Turkey}}} 
Closely related languages, if any: {{{Ancient Aramaic}}} 
External links to organizations that promote the language: {{{Promoting organizations}}} 
 
Link to request on a mailing list: {{{Request on mailing list}}}

:There are many languages considered Aramic and Syriac is only one [http://www.ethnologue.com/show_family.asp?subid=90041 Ethnologue] gives you a nice overview about this. Wiktionary aims to have all words of all languages with a userinterface in one language. When you pick one, you face an uphill struggle. When you want to concentrate on adding words of one or more of these languages, you might include it in an existing Wiktionary project. [[User:GerardM|GerardM]] 13:56, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
*support (N) User:Pseudo

===Pangasinan Wikipedia===
{| class="toccolours" cellspacing="3"
|-
| '''People interested [if native speaker, please mark (N)]:'''
*'''Proposer's user account in Meta and other wikis:)]:[[en:User:Arikasikis|Arikasikis]](N)''' {{{Wiki accounts of the proposer}}}
*'''User accounts of others who are willing to work on the proposed wiki:'''
{{{User accounts of others}}}
|-
| '''Language code ([[w:ISO 639|ISO 639-2]]):''' (pag)
|-
| '''Proposed domain:''' (pag.wikipedia.org)
|-
| '''Relevant infos:'''
*'''Link to article(s) on the language in an existing Wikipedia:''' [[en:Pangasinan_language|Pangasinan_language]], [[incubator:Pangasinan|Pangasinan]], [[incubator:Salitan_Pangasinan|Salitan_Pangasinan]]
*'''Native name(s):''' (Pangasinan)
*'''Approximate number of speakers:''' (1.5 Million)
*'''Location(s) spoken:''' (provinces of Pangasinan, La Union, Tarlac in the Philippines, United States)
*'''Closely related languages, if any:''' (other Filipino Languages)
*'''External links to organizations that promote the language:''' (http://www.bansa.org/?q=dictionaries/pag&dict_lang=pag, http://www.kingfisher.edu.ph)
|-
| '''Link to request on a mailing list:''' {{{Request on mailing list}}}
|}

People interested [Arikasikis (N)]:

====Support Pangasinan====
* There are 1.5 Million speakers. It has as many speakers with [[en:Kapangpangan|Kapangpangan]], which has a functional wikipedia right now.
* '''Support''' - [[User:Belgian man|Belgian man]] <small>([[:nl:Gebruiker:Cars en travel|nl]] [[:na:User:Belgian man|na]] [[en:User:Belgian man|en]])</small> 13:57, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
* {{Support}} --'''[[User:Taichi|Taichi]]''' - ([[User talk:Taichi|あ！]]) 09:43, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

====Comments====
* I think a functional wikipedia will increase the number of pages in the Pangasinan language.
* This is unnecessary; the Pangasinan Wikipedia was already [[Template:Requests_for_new_languages/pag|approved]].  Instead, why not contribute to the test Wikipedia at the [http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Test-wp/pag Wikipedia Incubator page for Pangasinan].  --[[en:User:Akira123323|Akira123323]] 12:23, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

* I am already contributing at the [http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Test-wp/pag incubator page]. How do I help in translating the buttons? [[incubator:Arikasikis|Arikasikis]]
**I'm not sure, but I think that's done when the test wiki is moved from the incubator to the main Pangasinan Wikipedia domain space.  I think you would also have to propose button names on the incubator.  But, since I'm not sure, you might want to ask around.  --[[en:User:Akira123323|Akira123323]] 15:05, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
***When I first worked on the test-wikipedia for the [[:war:|Waray-Waray Wikipedia]] I first concentrated on the content (both the number of articles as well as the content in them).  The buttons were not translated until the actual Wikipedia was created and sysops status for myself was granted.  My suggestion at this time for the Pangasinan incubator page, would be to focus on content, that is to say, the number and quality of Pangasinan article.  Once the Wikipedia domain is created and the content from the incubator page transferred there, then the next step would be to request sysop status so that the interface (including the buttons) can be translated.  --[[User:Harvzsf|Harvzsf]] 16:48, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

===Romanized Persian ===
{| class="toccolours" cellspacing="3"
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| '''People interested [if native speaker, please mark (N)]:'''
*'''Proposer's user account in Meta and other wikis:''' [[User:Sorriz|Sorriz]] (N) 
*'''User accounts of others who are willing to work on the proposed wiki:'''
[[User:Sorriz|Sorriz]] (N) 
|-
| '''Language code ([[w:ISO 639|ISO 639]]):''' pes
|-
| '''Proposed domain:''' per.wikipedia.org or pes.wikipedia.org
|-
| '''Relevant infos:''' The language is Romanized Persian. This would be a great idea because there are millions of iranians outside of Iran who grew up in a foregin country with no possibilities of learning how to read Persian with Perso-Arabic letters. Romanized persian is great, because then all the iranians from all over the world could read and understand the persian language, not only the migrated Iranians, but also the Tajiks in Tajikistan who only know the Cyrllic and Latin alphabet (not the Perso-Arabic one). This is a huge issue among us Persian-speakers, not only locally, but globally aswell. This is a way of reuniting these countries and the versions of languages to one whole.
In this stage, the Latinized Persian alphabet is introduced in schools as a phonemic standard alphabet for Persian transcription, as part of the regular curriculum. Such a simple and easy to use alphabet should be effortless and expeditious to learn for Persian speaking students. It will help them in learning the correct pronunciation of words they might have difficulty reading in the current alphabet. For non-Persian speaking students of the Persian language, it would lift the colossal barrier of having to learn the cumbersome Perso-Arabic script before starting to actually learn the language itself. The only books that would need to be transcribed in this phase are mainly language textbooks, and some of the major Persian literary works like the Shahnameh, Hafez's poetry, Balkhi's Masnavi, etc. 
A scientific, phonemically structured new script based on the Alphabetic Principle. Mastering reading and writing would become straightforward and simplified. Children and beginners would be able to read any Persian book after only a few months of practice. Educated people would be able to master reading and writing in a very short time. Therefore, a phonemic script like UniPers would help boost interest among Persian speakers in their own literature, culture, and history. On the other hand, the old Perso-Arabic writing system is an obsolete script that completely violates the Alphabetic Principle. 
Being based on the Latin alphabet would take advantage of its universality. It would make the Persian language much more accessible not only to our children and those who have obtained their secondary and higher education outside the Persian-speaking countries, but also to the non-Persian speaking people who have an interest in studying the Persian culture and history. Thus, Persian culture and language would become readily available to all without the hindrance of a complex, unfamiliar, and cumbersome writing system like Perso-Arabic.
A new Latin-based alphabet for Persian can help the language and enrich it. The weak argument that the Persian literary heritage would be lost is completely false. One can print and read the great literary works of Hafez, Sa'di and Ferdowsi even more easily in a phonemic Latin-based alphabet than in the Perso-Arabic. The Perso-Arabic alphabet has turned many Iranians off from reading literary and historical books. This means that unlike what the proponents of the old alphabet say about UniPers severing our contacts with our culture, Perso-Arabic has done more to achieve this break. 


*'''Link to article(s) on the language in an existing Wikipedia:''' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UniPers 
*'''Native name(s):''' Fârsi
*'''Approximate number of speakers:''' 110 million, if not more.
*'''Location(s) spoken:''' Iran, Tadjikistan, Afghanistan and big minorities in USA, Canada, Germany and Sweden
*'''Closely related languages, if any:''' Kurdish, but it's not that related
*'''External links to organizations that promote the language:''' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UniPers, [[http://www.unipers.com]] and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization
|-
| '''Link to request on a mailing list:''' dj_sorre@hotmail.com
|}

====Support====
#'''Comment''' - If there is a 1:1 correspondence between romanised Farsi and normal Farsi, wouldn't it be a much better idea to implement some sort of transliteration program? See the [[:sr:|Serbian wikipedia]] for an example. --[[User:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] 10:33, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

'''Support''' It was always a great problem for me to learn persian because I can not fluently read arabic script, and need sufficient amount of time to begin read it fluently. Read text in new language with slow speed is a bad way to learn it. Even arabic has now latin script and there is Quran and Haddith in the Internet in arabic language and latin alfabet. But I know, many Muslims want to learn not only Arabic, but also Persian and Turk languages, because there are so many classic texts of our culture written in Persian and Turk. So I support this proposal and shall help to develop the wiki, if my basic Persian would be useful there:-) --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 22:03, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

'''Support''' --[[User:Maviulke12|Maviulke12]] 00:20, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

====Oppose====

===Children's English Wikipedia===
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| '''People interested [if native speaker, please mark (N)]:'''
*'''Proposer's user account in Meta and other wikis:''' [[User:Jrothwell|Jrothwell]] 15:50, 13 June 2006 (UTC) (Metawiki, Wikipedia), [[User:Leon2323|Leon2323]] 15:20, 25 June 2006 (UTC) (ALL) (N?)

*'''User accounts of others who are willing to work on the proposed wiki:'''
{{{User accounts of others}}}
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| '''Language code ([[w:ISO 639|ISO 639]]):''' n/a

|-
| '''Proposed domain:''' kids.wikipedia.org
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| '''Relevant infos:'''
*'''Link to article(s) on the language in an existing Wikipedia:''' n/a
*'''Native name(s):''' [[User:Leon2323]]?
*'''Approximate number of speakers:''' n/a
*'''Location(s) spoken:''' n/a
*'''Closely related languages, if any:''' {{{Simple English}}}
*'''External links to organizations that promote the language:''' [http://www.computerprojects.biz ComputerProjectsDotBiz]
|-
| '''Link to request on a mailing list:''' Currently n/a|

This will be a Wikipedia aimed at children, with a less text-heavy interface, more friendly language, explicit content censored and special reference desks for homework help.
|}

'''Support'''

* {{Support}} [[en:User:CrnaGora|CrnaGora]] 16:33, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
* {{Support}} [[en:User:Milan B.|Milo]] 16:50, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
* {{Support}} -- [[en:User:God of Chaos|God of Chaos]] 02:03, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
* {{support}} I beg to differ with the comment made by 89.176.54.194. Wikijunior is a series of books. '''Not''' a free-use site. I think that Simple English Wikipedia is made more for people who are '''''learning''''' English. A Childrens' Wikipedia would be more for teenagers, as many mainstream Wikipedia articles contain too many details, and details that they aren't meant too learn and thus many students will add information to an article (of which they have no idea what it means) may be asked to explain what this means. They will (generally) be incapable of doing so. On the other hand Simple English Wikipedia is way too simple to be accepted as a Upper Primary School/High School assignment. So this wiki should be somewhere in between if it is to work. However it should be re-named to ''Children's Wikipedia'' instead of ''Children's  '''English''' Wikipedia''
[[w:en:User:Booksworm|Booksworm]] 13:56, 25 June 2006 (UTC) '''Och mein gott, was sind sie blötig schei...''' you lot are so bloody annoying it's amazing.  Wikijunior is still in raw phase. It does not alreadyx exist I mean come on! [[User:Booksworm|Booksworm]] 14:52, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
* {{Support}} '''Strong support''' I actually came to this page to request for a childrens' Wikipedia after a request at Wikia failed, but hey, there's already a request.  I am currently at secondary school but I find that EnWp is sometimes a bit too complex.  It can use all these scientific names (blah, blah, blah).  As for Simple English, that's for people ''learning'' English.  On this wiki, we can play around with css and javascript to provide a ''friendly'' interface.  I think that there are too few Wikipedians who are in the age group mentioned above (see [[en:Category:Wikipedians by generation]]).  When I get back to school on Monday, I'll set up a petition.  I'll send in the link to the 'petition website'.  --[[User:Leon2323|Leon2323]] 15:20, 25 June 2006 (UTC) ([[en:User:Leon2323|EnWp]])
: Ok, I've asked the survey.  I asked 22 people questions about wikis.  You can find the results in a Microsoft Access database at [http://computerprojects.biz/Children.mdb http://computerprojects.biz/Children.mdb].  
* {{Support}}. Adult language, the desire of LGBT people to insert gays/lesbians into every historical topic and the proliferation of artricles about pornstars and sexual positions often linked from most unexpected places (such as an article about "spoon") is the main argument in many schools against wikipedia. [[User:Mikkalai|Mikkalai]] 17:30, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
'''Oppose'''

* {{Oppose}} There is already Simple English Wikipedia, and as for homework help, this should be in other sites. – [[User:Rotemliss|rotemliss]] – [[User Talk:Rotemliss|Talk]] 14:37, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
**The main idea is not the same as in simple english. [[User:71.146.70.205|71.146.70.205]] 17:03, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
* {{Oppose}} per Rotemliss. [[User:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] 19:12, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
* '''Strong oppose''' [[User:Steinbach|Steinbach <small>(formerly Caesarion)</small>]] 17:33, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Strong oppose'''. Simple English is bad enough, we don't need another one. &mdash;[[User:Nightstallion|<span style="font-variant:small-caps">Nightstallion</span>]] [[User talk:Nightstallion|''(?)'']] 05:57, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
**If it is bad, it is useless, but something age-oriented is necessary. We do have books specifically written to acomodate stages of human development. [[User:71.146.70.205|71.146.70.205]] 17:03, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' unnecessary. - [[User:FrancisTyers|FrancisTyers]] 19:17, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''En contra / Oppose'''. [[User:Taragui|Taragui]] 12:53, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
* '''[comment]''' This seed has already been sowed. Please help it grow instead of starting it all over again. Go here → [[b:Wikijunior]]. 
--[[User:89.176.54.194|89.176.54.194]] 16:24, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. There are other ways for junior readers. [[User:Hégésippe Cormier|Hégésippe]] | [[User talk:Hégésippe Cormier|±Θ±]] 04:34, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
*{{Oppose}}: Please go to [[Wikijunior]]. --'''[[User:Taichi|Taichi]]''' - ([[User talk:Taichi|あ！]]) 09:41, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Children learn best when they're not being talked down to. Beatrix Potter famously used the word "soporific" in a children's book; there's no reason children can't learn from the full-fledged English Wikipedia. [[User:Angr|Angr]] 16:54, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
**The main point here is elimination of sexually explicit content. "Simplified language" does not mean writing everything in 2-syllable words. It is wiki after all: any 20-dollar word may be wikilinked. [[User:71.146.70.205|71.146.70.205]] 16:56, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
*{{oppose}} [[User:Ek7|Ek7]] 13:57, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

'''Neutral'''

'''Un-Clear'''
*--[[en:User:Gaius Julius Caesar|Dicatator and General Gaius Julius Caesar IV a/k/a Julius Caesar]] 02:07, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

===Vai Wikipedia===
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| '''People interested [if native speaker, please mark (N)]:'''
*'''Proposer's user account in Meta and other wikis:'''  [[User:Aeetlrsk|Aeetlrsk]] 22:24, 20 June 2006 (UTC) (Metawiki), [[en:User:Sahmeditor:Sahmeditor]] (English Wikipedia), [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:Ko_e_aeetlrsk] (English Wiktionary)
*'''User accounts of others who are willing to work on the proposed wiki:'''
{{{User accounts of others}}}
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| '''Language code ([[w:ISO 639|ISO 639]]):''' vai
|-
| '''Proposed domain:''' vai.wikipedia.org
|-
| '''Relevant infos:'''
*'''Link to article(s) on the language in an existing Wikipedia:''' [[en:Vai language|Vai language]]
*'''Native name(s):''' Vai
*'''Approximate number of speakers:''' 105,000
*'''Location(s) spoken:''' Western Liberia, Sierra Leone
*'''Closely related languages, if any:''' ?
*'''External links to organizations that promote the language:''' ?
|-
| '''Link to request on a mailing list:''' Currently n/a|}

Vai is spoken by 105,000 speakers in the Middle East. I think we should have a Vai Wikipedia.
|}
'''Support''' - [[User:Belgian man|Belgian man]] <small>([[:nl:Gebruiker:Cars en travel|nl]] [[:na:User:Belgian man|na]] [[en:User:Belgian man|en]])</small> 13:58, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

*Hello! I`ve got one request for you. I collect words in various languages. Now I`m looking for word "sugar" in other languages, but I can`t find a Vai dictionary. I`ve got counterparts of word "sugar" in Japanese, Ahmaric, Thai, Georgian and Chinese, so can you write me what is '''"sugar" in Vai language?''' I`ve got this word in 317 languages and dialects of many regions and countries in the world so it is very important for me! Thank you very much! '''[[:pl:Wikipedysta:Szoltys|Szoltys]]''' ''[[:pl:Dyskusja Wikipedysty:Szoltys|<talk>]]''

===Simple Spanish Wikipedia===
Spanish is worldwide a big language. Would it be an idea to start a "simple 
Spanish" wiki: sencillo.wikipedia.org? I would be prepared to contribute to 
it. Greetings, [[User:Jcb|Jcb]] 21:18, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
:See also the [http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Sencillo test] at incubator. [[User:Jcb|Jcb]] 22:23, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

====Support====
#Support. Fine articles, it can be used for learning Spanish for people who do not know it well. Even I with very basic level of Spanish was able to understand them. --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 23:53, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
#{{Support}} I'm learning Spanish, I don't see why not. --[[User:Jrothwell|Jrothwell]] 15:57, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
#Thats exactly what I would say! [[User:Dutchy-Dick|Dutchy-Dick]] 19:53, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
#{{Support}} I'm learning Spanish too, yeah why not! --[[User:Flying DutchJan|Flying DutchJan]] 21:53, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
#{{Support}} [[User:Jcb|Jcb]] 20:04, 22 June 2006 (UTC) - I don't know if I'm supposed to vote for my own proposal?
#{{Support}} A great idea! As interest to Spanish is growing worldwide, this wiki will be very popular. [[User:Slavik IVANOV|Slavik IVANOV]] 23:29, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
#{{Support}} [[user:GangstaEB|<font color="black">Gang</font>]][[user talk:GangstaEB|<font color="red">staE</font>]][[Special:Contributions/GangstaEB|<font color=green>B</font>]] [[w:user:GangstaEB|<font color="blue">(W)</font>]] 18:19, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
#{{Support}} Goddammit all those who wrote ''simple spanish'' isn't a language. Well, is Simple English? Bloody hell; If we can have a simple English, then why can't we have a simple for each Wiki with + 100'000 articles? I have never seen thicker people in my entire life (George Bush is less thick) [[User:Booksworm|Booksworm]] 14:43, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

====Oppose====
#'''Oppose'''. I'm against Simple English, so it shouldn't come as a surprise that I'm also against a dumbed-down ''español sencillo''. &mdash;[[User:Nightstallion|<span style="font-variant:small-caps">Nightstallion</span>]] [[User talk:Nightstallion|''(?)'']] 05:58, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
# '''N En contra / Oppose'''--[[User:Lin linao|Lin linao]] 22:13, 22 June 2006 (UTC) : Ver comentarios / See comments.
#'''Strong oppose'''. There's not any standard  ''simple Spanish''. Wikipedia in Spanish desperatedly needs more contributors rather than split into another version for newcomers. --[[User:JRGL|JRGL]] 22:31, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
# {{Oppose}} --[[User:Ecemaml|Ecemaml]] 08:42, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
# '''En contra'''. This has come up before, and, as before, I think that not only Simple English didn't fare too well, but also better choices exist for simplified content for junior readers. [[User:Taragui|Taragui]] 12:49, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
# '''EN CONTRA''' '''OPPOSE''' - ''Not an lamguaje'' ''Ja-ja''. [[User:Felipealvarez|Felipealvarez]] 14:37, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
# {{Oppose}} [[User:Gothmog|Gothmog]] 18:40, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
# '''Oppose'''. ''Simple English'' has already shown that the idea of ''Simple XXX Wikipedias'' is not a good idea. There are other ways for junior readers. [[User:Hégésippe Cormier|Hégésippe]] | [[User talk:Hégésippe Cormier|±Θ±]] 04:32, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
# {{Oppose}} Define ''simple spanish'' before, please. [[User:Platonides|Platonides]] (native) 10:23, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
# {{Oppose}} we had already voted this... --[[User:Equi|Equi]] 14:06, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
# {{oppose}} [[User:Airunp|Airunp]] 12:16, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
# {{Oppose}} – [[User:Rotemliss|rotemliss]] – [[User Talk:Rotemliss|Talk]] 12:33, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
# {{Oppose}} [[User:Oscar .|Oscar .]] 17:43, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
# {{Oppose}} -[[User:B1mbo|B1mbo]] 22:02, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
# '''Strong oppose'''. The samples are so full of grammar mistakes that should be taken as a joke. [[User:Cinabrium|Cinabrium]] 04:58, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
# {{Oppose}} [[User:Lasneyx|Lasneyx]] 11:39, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
# [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px]] '''Oppose''' [[User:Comae|Comae]] 21:32, 28 June 2006 (UTC) "Simple Spanish" doesn't exist. And if the test pages are a good example of the kind of "Spanish" will be used, Spanish learners are bound to forget (or worse) whatever they already know. If you want to learn Spanish, use Wikipedia en español --tons of things to do for learners, and 95% of articles there have better Spanish than those test pages. Or use the translation project at Wikiversity, which was thought for language learners.
# {{Oppose}} --'''[[User:Taichi|Taichi]]''' - ([[User talk:Taichi|あ！]]) 09:30, 29 June 2006 (UTC): ¿Again? This proposal was rejected few months ago. Please, don't persist with this bad joke.
# {{Oppose}} [[User:Gizmo II|Gizmo II]] 02:04, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
# [[User:FML|FML]] 14:15, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
# {{oppose}} [[User:Orgullomoore|Orgullomoore]] 06:04, 10 July 2006 (UTC) Comae is right, it doesn't do a learner any good to read bad examples, but that's not our problem. It ''should'' be our problem, however, that Simple Spanish does not exist. The examples provided are examples of incorrect Spanish. Wikipedia as a whole, and especially the Spanish Wikipedia, doesn't have the extra resources available to waste on inventing new languages--let's stick with what we've got.
# {{oppose}} --[[User:Jpcristian|Jpcristian]] 06:03, 10 July 2006 (UTC) It's a made-up language, it shouldn't be included.
# {{oppose}} [[User:Tomatejc|Tomatejc]] 06:26, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

====Other====
#'''[comment]''' I would oppose if I were logged in. By the looks of the two sample articles (full of grammatical errors), it's nothing more than an astute attempt by Spanish learners to get some free coaching. <code>;-)</code> --[[User:89.176.54.194|89.176.54.194]] 17:27, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
#'''[comment]''' Like the opinion before, if I were logged in I would vote against the idea of having a Simple Spanish Wikipedia. I have read the two test articles and as a native Spanish-speaker I must tell you they both are not well written. No sentence there is correct. And the faults are enormous. From my point of view, having a Wikipedia full of articles like these ones wouldn't help people to learn Spanish. [[ca:Usuari:Manu bcn]]
##My Spanish is good enough to '''know''' that this is not true. There is for certain not that amount of errors in the articles. [[User:Jcb|Jcb]] 18:51, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
*You think your Spanish is good enough. That's your oppinion and indeed untrue. --[[User:Ecemaml|Ecemaml]] 08:44, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
###As a spanish native speaker  (my english sucks, sorry), I'm with Manu bcn. The sample articles are incorrect. Gender errors and the like. [[User:Tostadora|Tostadora]] 22:21, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
###Another Spanish native speaker here. Your Madrid article, for instance, has sentences like: ''En inviernos a veces es debajo 8º''. Any elementary Spanish learner should know how to build it correctly: ''En invierno a veces está por debajo de 8º''. Instead, it only misleads. --[[User:JRGL|JRGL]] 22:43, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
:::::Pero es que el articulo es un joke-fake, ¿en invierno a veces menos de 8º? ¿y en verano la media es 24º?, improbable cuando en invierno hay heladas todos los días (<0º) y en verano rara vez baja de 35º, siendo normal que esté sobre 40º, ¿seguro que se refiere a Madrid? [[User:Felipealvarez|Felipealvarez]] 14:41, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
# El Español Simple o Sencillo no es un lenguaje desarrollado con reglas específicas como el Inglés Simple, sino la forma en que el usuario Jcb piensa que resulta más sencillo. Ver [[:es:Wikipedia:Wikipedia no es una fuente primaria|Wikipedia:Wikipedia no es una fuente primaria]]. Lo siento, los ejemplos están llenos de errores y un hablante nativo podría tener problemas para entenderlos. (Simple Spanish or ''Sencillo'' is not a developed system as Simple English. Today is only the vision of User Jcb about how to make a  simplified Spanish. See [[:en:Wikipedia:No original research]]. I'm sorry, samples contain a lot of errors. A native speaker could have problems reading them.)

#You know spanish enoguh to be able to understand it. Other english-learning people can understand it. But they're not in good spanish. This may be a case of newbies understandig themselves with invalid grammar. Please define ''simple spanish'' before. The 3 articles have different errors and nonsense-phrases (we can imagine what is intended to say, but the phrase is absurd). [[User:Platonides|Platonides]] 10:23, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
* Los artículos creador en el Incubator son una blasfemia al español, la redacción que se utilizó es pésima, ni siquiera un español hablaría así, se tienen rasgos muy tomados de la gramática del inglés u otro idioma germánico (¿influencias del idioma nativo de Jcb?). Propongo que esos tres artículos sean borrados porque así uno no habla en español, complejo, sencillo, para niños o ancianos. Así no es el español. --'''[[User:Taichi|Taichi]]''' - ([[User talk:Taichi|あ！]]) 09:36, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

=== Kituba wikipedia ===

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|Wiki accounts of the proposer= [[User:Rasulo|Rasulo]]
|User accounts of others= &nbsp;
|Language code= (ISO 639-3) ktu & mkw (dialects)
|Proposed domain= ktu.wikipedia.org
|Wikipedia article= [[en:Kituba]]
|Native name=Kituba, Munukutuba, Kikongo ya leta, Kikongo, Kileta, Ikeleve, Kizabave, Kibulamatadi
|Number of speakers= up to 10 000 000
|Locations spoken= [[en:Republic of the Congo]], [[en:Democratic Republic of the Congo]], [[en:Angola]]
|Related languages= [[en:Kikongo]]
|Promoting organizations= &nbsp;
|Request on mailing list= &nbsp;
}}

==== Support ====

# '''Support''' Kituba is a regional lingua franca and an official language in two countries. There are two translations of Bible to this language, the most recent just a few years back, and also radio stations (e.g. Radio Okapi) and discussion forums in the internet. There aren't many ISPs in the Congos yet, so the amount of users won't be terribly high in the beginning, but that is likely to change in the coming years. Besides, don't the poor nations need a ''free'' encyclopedia the most? --[[User:Rasulo|Rasulo]]
# '''Support''' --[[User:Jose77|Jose77]] 05:49, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
# {{support}}, is a official language in two countries. --'''[[User:Taichi|Taichi]]''' - ([[User talk:Taichi|あ！]]) 05:36, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

==== Oppose ====

==== Other ====

* '''Comment''' Kituba is an ''official language'' both in Congo-Brazzaville (where it's called ''Kituba'' or ''Munukutuba'') and Congo-Kinshasa (where it's called ''Kikongo ya leta'' or ''Kileta''). It is a well established creole language in the Congos, spoken as the main language is such important urban centres as Pointe-Noire, Boma, Matadi, Bandundu, Kikwit and Ilebo. Kituba is based on Kikongo and there are great similarities in vocabulary between these two, but grammatically they are totally different languages. Kituba is called ''Kikongo ya leta'' (Kikongo of the state) in Congo-Kinshasa because it was originally endorsed by the Belgian colonial administration. Hence Kituba is sometimes confused with Kikongo, which explains why there are tens of articles in Kituba in the Kikongo wikipedia. -- [[User:Rasulo|Rasulo]] 2006-07-08 20:25


===Belarusian (Orthography Revision of 1959)===
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| '''People interested [if native speaker, please mark (N)]:Pravapis1959 (N)'''
*'''Proposer's user account in Meta and other wikis:''' [[:be:User:82.209.xx.xx]]
*'''User accounts of others who are willing to work on the proposed wiki:'''
[[:be:User:82.209.xx.xx]]

|-
| '''Language code ([[w:ISO 639|ISO 639]]):''' bel
|-
| '''Proposed domain:''' by.wikipedia.org (preferable cos it was made in soviet times and then the language was called Byelorussian) or bel.wikipedia.org
|-
| '''Relevant infos:'''
*'''Link to article(s) on the language in an existing Wikipedia:''' [[en:Belarusian_language]]
*'''Native name(s):''' Беларуская мова
*'''Approximate number of speakers:''' no one knows exactly, approx. every one in Belarus who studied in shcool, another thing if they speak it in their reallife
*'''Location(s) spoken:''' Republic of Belarus
*'''Closely related languages, if any:''' Russian
*'''External links to organizations that promote the language:''' 
|-
| '''Link to request on a mailing list:''' {{{Request on mailing list}}}
|}


There has already been simmilar request in here. I put it here now again, cos the situation in Belarusian Wikipedia seemes abnormal to me. 

1.Every single page in 1959rev.pravapis is in cathegory written in 2005rev.pravapis

2.More than the first, some pages have mixed orthographies ex. Бразілія, Балівія, Чылі, 1580 (there are some more of them actually) that is absolutely inadmisible.

3.1959rev. and 2005rev. do differ much more that just of "soft signs", "soft letters" (hard l - soft l). 2005rev. which pretends to be called "classical belarusian" has different from 1959rev. phrase building (synthax) - while 1959rev. synthax has very few differents from Russian (when i'm writing it i remembered only transition of the preposition "к" (in Russian) to preposition "да" (in Belarusian), 2005rev. has (or must have (there are still many synthax mistakes in 2005rev.orthography - contributors just put 1959rev.text with soft signs - this belarusan language phenomenon is called " tarakamauka" ("tarashkevitsa" (unofficial name of 2005rev.) + "narkamauka" (unofficial name of 1959rev.) which is not codified and saying honestly is ungrammar)) so, 2005rev. has much more differents from Russian (see. [http://txt.knihi.com/mova/losik.html Некаторыя ўвагі да беларускае літаратурнае мовы]), some examples of them are (
*1.use of verb infinitive - "вада піць" vs. "вада для піцця" in 1959rev.; 
*2.use of expression of belonging - "пункт у гледжаньні" in 2005rev. vs. "пункт гледжання" in 1959rev.; 
*3. use of expression of purpose of thing - "хустачка да носу" vs. "хустачка для носу" in 1959rev. and some more rules signed in the work on knihi.com)

4. For me, as for abiturient (i gonna enter unversity next year), and for all the abiturients who will have belarusan exam is terrible to read such a mixture of orthographies in encyclopedia. After reading words "Галандыя" (1959rev.) and "сьмерці" (2005rev) in one article and then in other articles i have more possibilities to make mistake in school work and, what is horrible, in exam! And i can tell you i've made some already when I instictively wrote "зьмяшчае" (instead of right variant "змяшчае" - w/o soft sign) in school dictation. As a man who contribs to wikipedia and wants belarusian language to become the leading slavic language i can't stop contributing but, as i said, after contributing to such a be.wiki i get mess in my head! Surelly, split will help with belarusian knowledge systematization.

(I'm a contributor in 2005rev., but i will surelly help new wikipedia in 1959rev. for some time for it to develop)

Thanks for attention ppl! - Анто́сь Казьмярчу́к

PS. I haven't voted for previous propose (Present Belarusian) because facts in there were not true. I would like 2 BELARUSIAN WIKI'S TO HAVE EQUAL RIGHTS. Surelly if one of WIKI'S will be filial to another no one will contrib.

PPS Few words about the size, yes be.wiki is small to split, but we in be.wiki prefer quality over quantity (look, there are no any empty article about a year - all of them have some information)

====Support====
#{{support}} -- [[User:Mihas Skrypka|Mihas Skrypka]] 09:33, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

====Oppose====

# {{oppose}} (and see comments, too) ---[[User:Yury Tarasievich|Yury Tarasievich]] 13:13, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
# {{oppose}} I disagree that this suffering Belarussian language must be split in two I see no problems in co-existing synonyms from two sources. English has both "trunk" and "proboscis" and other 5-cent and 20-dollar synonyms coming from German and Romance origins respectively. The only requirement would be consistency of ''orthography'' (and optionally vocabulary) in a single article, something like British/American English in en:wikipedia. Otherwise it is pointless dispersion of efforts of so scarse Belarusophone contributors.  [[User:Mikkalai|Mikkalai]] 17:29, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
# {{oppose}} No different ortographical Wikipedias please. --'''[[User:Taichi|Taichi]]''' - ([[User talk:Taichi|あ！]]) 05:48, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

====Neutral====

# Если будете делать тестовую в инкубаторе, буду пытаться участвовать, кроме того из нашей тусовки четверо знают язык. Нам там все равно скучно среди курдов:-) По сути же дела я разрываюсь между двумя мотивами 1) я вообще за увеличение лингвистического разнообразия восточнославянских вик, так что не только за наркомовку и полесский, но и за поморский и казацкий; 2) с другой стороны, употребление наркомовки политически окрашено, и я в это ввязываться не хочу, не гражданин Беларуси. Поэтому пока не определился, зато точно буду это читать и пытаться контрибутить. --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 05:59, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

:: Зачем такие сложности? Писать официальным правописанием (наркамаўкай) можно и в белорусской Википедии. --[[User:EugeneZelenko|EugeneZelenko]] 13:36, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

::: Исхожу из того, что демократия - это многообразие. Но вы правы, если суппортер только один, значит это просто никому не нужно. --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 15:35, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

::: "Наркомовка / наркамаўка" -- умышленно оскорбительный термин ("Narkamauka" is a deliberately derisive term). Thank you. ---[[User:Yury Tarasievich|Yury Tarasievich]] 15:02, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

====Comments====

* This proposal isn't well prepared, technically:
# You can't go around inventing the language codes (and Byel... was far more fair in rendering of the Belarusian diphtong, anyway :)).
# You can't push to the alternative namespace the literary and normative branch of the language (the only one taught in schools for 70+ years).
# References to unverifiables pushed forward ("...spoken in real life..."), references to verifiables dismissed (data of the polls of 1959, 1979, 1989, 1999, data on schooling etc.).
# There are much worse misuses of the Belarusian language now in (alternative-pushers-ridden) BE:WP, like using the Polish-influenced barbarisms instead of either the normative word or even the "pre-armageddon" (1933) word. The immediately known example is use of "выспа"/"паўвыспа" for "island"/"peninsula" instead of normative "востраў"/"паўвостраў" or "атока,абток"/"паўатока,паўабток" (as used by Lastowski, Akula).
# The "negative influence" of the "mix" is completely to blaim of the promoters of the alternative version of the orthography, insisting on everything in Belarusian to be done alternatively, not in the normative --- '''and''' on their terms, too.
# References to the dubious sources (knihi.com is a politically dedicated site) are used, with tells immediately:
##  For "drinking water" there exists an expression "пітная вада" in Belarusian, not bizarre "вада піць" or secondary "вада для піцця"
## For "handkerchief" there exists an expression "насоўка" in Belarusian, not the Polish-influenced barbarisms "хустачка да носу" and "хустачка для носу"
## For "point of view" there exists an equivalent "пункт гледжання" or somewhat not-mainstream "гледзішча". The conflict of "пункт у гледжаньні" vs. "пункт гледжання" is either invented or something else is mistakenly perceived as such.
* If ''anything'' '''must''' be separated into its own namespace here, it would be the whole framework done in '''alternative''' orthography+wording. Something like be-alter, possibly. ---[[User:Yury Tarasievich|Yury Tarasievich]] 13:13, 9 July 2006 (UTC)


: Though my examples appeared bad enough, this tutorial by Losik exists and it's not "politicaly dedicated document) and it seems like it's to be used for writing in 2005rev.
:*''# You can't go around inventing the language codes (and Byel... was far more fair in rendering of the Belarusian diphtong, anyway :)).
# You can't push to the alternative namespace the literary and normative branch of the language (the only one taught in schools for 70+ years).''
:Let it be bel.wiki, there mustn't be much of discussion.

:''# There are much worse misuses of the Belarusian language now in (alternative-pushers-ridden) BE:WP, like using the Polish-influenced barbarisms instead of either the normative word or even the "pre-armageddon" (1933) word. The immediately known example is use of "выспа"/"паўвыспа" for "island"/"peninsula" instead of normative "востраў"/"паўвостраў" or "атока,абток"/"паўатока,паўабток" (as used by Lastowski, Akula).''
:2. Show me where i have said 2005rev. contributors are exellently literate? Same things happen to 1959rev. users when they push russian words into articles. Personally i dislike this layer of polonismes, which appeared in the times of reincarnating of the classic spelling.

:''# The "negative influence" of the "mix" is completely to blaim of the promoters of the alternative version of the orthography, insisting on everything in Belarusian to be done alternatively, not in the normative --- '''and''' on their terms, too.''

:Yes, til all of admins use it. But, as it has been already discussed naming categories in 1959rev. style will cause bigger mess. And naming all the cathegories in 1959rev. is POV, as it's POV to name all the cathegories in 2005rev. The only right decision is to split as it seems to me.

:So I personally miss your point, you dislike 2005rev, but you denie new wiki too. What's the matter then? [[User:82.209.208.199|82.209.208.199]] 14:35, 9 July 2006 (UTC)



Why did you open new request instead of reopen [[Requests for new languages/Denied#Present Belarusian (7 support, 14 oppose)|old one]]? --[[User:EugeneZelenko|EugeneZelenko]] 13:54, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

:I didn't know it may be reopened/Facts were totally untrue in there.[[User:82.209.208.199|82.209.208.199]] 14:35, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

:: Which facts exactly? At least list of opposers/supporters and their arguments could be definitely shared.
:: Please register on meta.
:: [[User:EugeneZelenko|EugeneZelenko]] 14:55, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
::: Statements that 2005rev. is a couple of archaic dialects and 1959rev. is "a present-day belarusian". And i thought there was a proposal to keep 2005rev. as a filial of 1959rev, but not as separate project. It's a bit confusing for me, I'vent found that in the previous request, maybe i've read of it somewhere else. [[User:82.209.208.199|82.209.208.199]] 15:56, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

:::: ''And i thought there was a proposal to keep 2005rev. as a filial of 1959rev, but not as separate project.'' - it was condition for support from [[User:MaximLitvin|MaximLitvin]]. These words was not in request itself. --[[User:EugeneZelenko|EugeneZelenko]] 16:15, 9 July 2006 (UTC)


*I've read a terrible article about Homel recently. This is what i've noticed:
# Introduction is written in 2005rev.
# Part about name of the city is written in 1959rev.
# Part about history is written in 2005rev.
# Part about population is written in 1959rev. (тысяч instead of тысячаў)
# Part about education in Homel is mixed: subsection about univercities is written in 1959rev., subsection about institutes is written 2005rev. (word Мінистэрства uses both belarusian і and russian и for some reason)
# Parts about industry, sport and comments to external links are written in 2005rev.
And this is only 1 example of what this "encyclopaedia" contains. What do you think, is such a situation normal for Wikipedia?

: Could you please take a look into [[:be:Вікіпэдыя:Правапіс]] and [[:be:Абмеркаваньне Вікіпэдыя:Правапіс#Галасаваньне па новай рэдакцыі правіл]]? Rules are exists, but does anybody following them? If you have time, please fix article. --[[User:EugeneZelenko|EugeneZelenko]] 14:01, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

* The use of the ISO 639 codes for Belarusian language belongs to the normative, literary, academic branch of the Belarusian language, which millions of people are at least familiar with (1999 poll), which is taught in shool on mandatory basis, etc. etc. ad nauseaum.
* Consequently, the normative branch of language in Wikipedia declaring it's in "Belarusian language", '''must''' primarily provide the possibility for the use of the normative variant. Everything else, be it a dialect, an alternative orthography or anything, either co-exists non-disruptingly, or goes '''out''' into separate sub-spaces. It's not the business of the normal Belarusian language speaker that somebody wants everybody to use the brilliant new invented orthography and it can't be considered a POV that the un-curtailed use of the normative version of language is primarily expected in the wikipedia decalring itself Belarusian.
* However, what we have now in BE:WP is:
# The (3) admins and their pals pushing the use of the alternative orthography and inventing the "righteous" lexicon.
# The admins are backed by the rules which weren't voted on when introduced, and those rules are curtailing the use of the normative branch of the language.
# The currently on-going vote on so called "co-existence of orthographies" is conducted with all imaginable violations of procedure -- e.g., admin [[User:EugeneZelenko|EugeneZelenko]] who opened the voting didn't put '''all''' of the proposals on vote, and refused to do so, when reminded, retorting that the proposals not put on vote were "not quite good". AFAIU, the right to vote is determined by the previous participation in BE:WP (subjected to the mentioned rules).
* ---[[User:Yury Tarasievich|Yury Tarasievich]] 15:25, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

===Creole French based Wikipedia=== 

{| class="toccolours" cellspacing="3"
|-
| '''People interested [if native speaker, please mark (N)]:'''
*'''Proposer's user account in Meta and other wikis:''' [[:it:User:Ppalli|Ppalli]] 
*'''User accounts of others who are willing to work on the proposed wiki:'''
|-
| '''Language code ([[w:ISO 639|ISO 639]]):''' ISO 639-3
|-
| '''Proposed domain:''' crf.wikipedia.com
|-
| '''Relevant infos:'''
*'''Link to article(s) on the language in an existing Wikipedia:''' 
**'''[[fr:Cr%C3%A9ole|Créole]]'''
**'''[[fr:Cr%C3%A9ole_guyanais|Créole guyanais]]'''
**'''[[fr:Cr%C3%A9ole_guadeloup%C3%A9en|Créole guadeloupéen]]'''
**'''[[fr:Cr%C3%A9ole_martiniquais|Créole martiniquais]]'''
**'''[[fr:Fran%C3%A7ais_cajun|Français cajun]]'''
**'''[[fr:Fran%C3%A7ais_acadien|Français acadien]]'''
**'''[[fr:Cr%C3%A9ole_r%C3%A9unionnais|Créole réunionnais]]'''
**'''[[fr:Cr%C3%A9ole_mauricien|Créole mauricien]]'''
**'''[[fr:Cr%C3%A9ole_seychellois|Créole seychellois]]'''
**'''[[fr:Cr%C3%A9ole_rodriguais|Créole rodriguais]]'''
*'''Native name(s):''' [[fr:Cr%C3%A9ole|Créole]]
*'''Approximate number of speakers:''' ~3'000'000
*'''Location(s) spoken:''' 
**'''[[fr:Guyane_fran%C3%A7aise|Guyane française]]'''
**'''[[fr:Guadeloupe|Guadeloupe]]'''
**'''[[fr:Martinique|Martinique]]'''
**'''[[fr:Canada|Canada]]'''
**'''[[fr:Provinces maritimes|Provinces maritimes]]'''
**'''[[fr:Réunion|Réunion]]'''
**'''[[fr:Maurice_%28pays%29|Maurice]]'''
**'''[[fr:Seychelles|Seychelles]]'''
**'''[[fr:%C3%8Ele_Rodrigues|Île Rodrigues]]'''
*'''Closely related languages, if any:''' [[fr:|French]]'''
*'''External links to organizations that promote the language:''' [http://www.palli.ch/~kapeskreyol/index.php KapesKreyol]
|-
| '''Link to request on a mailing list:''' 
|}


==== Support ====

==== Oppose ====
# {{oppose}}: Impossible, any creole language is different from its substract. The American creoles are different from African creoles; if this proposal is more specific maybe change my opinion.--'''[[User:Taichi|Taichi]]''' - ([[User talk:Taichi|あ！]]) 06:05, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
#:There are many creole, but like indicated I have proposed to make one wikipedia for the Creole of French origin. Greater and more detailed information to the link indicated. [[:it:User:Ppalli|Ppalli]]
#::Sorry but the substract languages are radically differents. The [[wikipedia:Antillian Creole]] and [[wikipedia:Louisiana Creole French]] are related to [[wikipedia:Haitian Creole]], but the [[wikipedia:Lanc-Patuá]] has a portuguese language substract, the [[wikipedia:Michif]] has a [[wikipedia:Cree language]] substract and the [[wikipedia:Chiac]] has a Canadian English substract. The French Creole in Africa (Seychelles, Mauritius, Reunion and Rodrigues) is more related itself but don't have nay relation with the American French Creole. And the [[wikipedia:Tây Bồi]] have a vietnamese language substract. --'''[[User:Taichi|Taichi]]''' - ([[User talk:Taichi|あ！]]) 08:39, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
# {{oppose}} Creole language from Reunion Island is different from Creole language from Guadelupe, which is different from Cajun language, even if they are all from French origin... Trying to create a wikipedia mixing all these languages seems impossible to me. [[User:Guillom|Guillom]] 08:32, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
# {{oppose}} I agree with Guillom.--[[User:Grondin|Bertrand GRONDIN]] 09:12, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
# Oppose. Every creole language is different. Furthermore, there is no written form of Reunion Island creole, and I guess it's the same for other sorts of creole. [[User:Solensean|Solensean]] ᛁ[[User_Talk:Solensean|<big><big><big>ᛉ</big></big></big>]]ᛁ 09:14, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

==== Other ====

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