Wikimania 2005 - lessons learned

I, Ashibaka, hereby establish the Association of Wikipedians Who Dislike Making Broad Judgements About the Worthiness of a General Category of Article, and Who Are In Favor of the Deletion of Some Particularly Bad Articles, but That Doesn't Mean They are Deletionist (AWWDMBJAWGCAWAIFDSPBATDMTD).

The motto of the AWWDMBJAWGCAWAIFDSPBATDMTD is Est generatim difficilis judicare meritum quisdam rei includato in encyclopaedia cum non certe ratione scire qui capit populum, sed aliqui rei nihilominus non sunt apti prae encyclopaedia, which translates to, "it is generally difficult to judge the worthiness of a particular topic for inclusion in an encyclopedia considering that there is no certain way to know what interests people, but some topics nevertheless are not fit for an encyclopedia." This motto reflects the desire of these Wikipedians to be reluctant, but not entirely unwilling, to remove articles from Wikipedia.

Now for ten years we've been on our own
And moss grows fat on a rolling stone
But that's not how it used to be

— Omar Khayyam Ravenhurst

Membership is not limited. All you have to do to become a member is list your name here. If you feel like expressing your wishy-washy feelings, you can do so at /Blurbs.

The current General Secretary is Everyone. All members are the Secretary, so nominations are unnecessary. Matters that concern the AWWDMBJAWGCAWAIFDSPBATDMTD as a group necessitate a vote.

Goals

I have always felt that these should be everyone's common goals:

1. Judge not, lest ye be judged.
2. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
3. Love thy neighbour as thyself.

Template

Keeping up to date with the latest news in the Wikipolitical world, I have discovered the existence of w:Template:Inclusionist. I would not want our movement to be left out of this new and exciting realm of template-making, so therefore I have created w:Template:AWWDMBJAWGCAWAIFDSPBATDMTD. I encourage, but do not command, our members to use this interesting-looking template on their user pages. Good day! Ashibaka 19:21, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

The template has been speedy-deleted without reason! I encourage members of this society to comment at w:Wikipedia:Votes for undeletion. Thryduulf 20:11, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Members

• Oh look, here's my name again. Ashibaka 00:55, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
• ‣ᓛᖁᑐ 03:52, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC) - hahaha...
• BrokenSegue 01:58, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)- why not?
• Gtrmp 02:20, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
• Thanks Ashibaka for providing a "middle ground". Objective Researcher 05:11, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
• Who cares what the goals are, the name alone is cool enough to make me want to join! Jnc 16:51, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
• I disagree with proposed "common goals." Adraeus 13:47, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
• I support my local AWWDMBJAWGCAWAIFDSPBATDMTD representative. Plus, I'm now a member of everything but the Deletionist and Apathetic associations, so I'm bound to get lots of new friends. Wheee! (^_^) JRM 14:47, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
• Exactly what I'm looking for. Evil Monkey
• --CiaraBeth 17:52, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC) Yay! Finally found somewhere I fit.
• I think I also signed up to be an inclusionist, or at least considered it. I hope that doesn't disqualify me. TUF-KAT 22:06, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
• Tatteredpaper | (^talk) Very Nice.
• I don't join nothing -- count me in! -Rholton 05:55, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
• Any club have me as a member, etc... --Ben Brockert < 04:16, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)
• Anything this wishy-washy is inherently worthy. IMeowbot 18:01, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
• Yup. Oven Fresh 21:01, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
• \Mike 20:20, 2005 Jan 25 (UTC) yeah, this is so me :)
• Definitely me. Too deletionist to be an inclusionist. Too inclusionist to be a deletionist. Too insane to be sane. --Deathphoenix 06:25, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
• Exactly my feelings! Simonfairfax 19:30, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
• Aurea mediocritas. —Charles P. 19:26, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
• This looks like it includes my general POV about stuff. Alphax 02:17, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC
• Ah, a club for me! Bratsche 03:14, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Ah, yes. This firs me just fine. Can I get the motto on a bumper sticker? – ClockworkSoul 18:06, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• The partylike wrangling over deletionism scares me. Really, who bloody cares if someone's a deletionist or an inclusionist. →Iñgólemo← ^talk 07:42, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• And to think it took me almost half a year to find this...and it's another edit...hooray.

217.9.49.2 13:04, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• Boffy b 21:45, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC) For great justice!
• After a great deal of consideration, I feel this association is the place for me. Thryduulf 10:21, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• As above. TAS 10:49, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Ditto. E=MC^2 E=MC^2
• Sounds good to me. Revived 16:59, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
• How can I pass up membership in a group with such a great name? It even describes my thinking somewhat. DaveTheRed 01:26, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

This is weird and odd. I don't really join but half-way join. 24.33.244.93 04:44, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Salvete, amici. Kia ora. Robin Patterson 00:46, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
• Wow. This is just, like, the coolest, like, club, ever! Smoddy. 13:57, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
• Francesco
• Taco Deposit
• --Jondel 09:02, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)-
• huzzah! --65.34.48.44 14:28, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
• Longwinded names strike such a chord in me. *tear* --Addesso 21:36, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
• DoubleBlue (Talk) 21:29, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
• *Kat* Hey, now this is my sort of association.
• Node ue 18:17, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
• Mindspillage 02:52, 20 May 2005 (UTC) Not only true, but I adore the name.
• Antandrus 18:12, 21 May 2005 (UTC) Not only are things in the world, including Wikipedia, not in black and white, but things in "black and white" aren't in black and white.
• Hermione1980 Now, what's that acronym again? 21:35, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
• Wikipedia has enough space to accomondate many non-notable articles. However, I would turn away from any articles featuring corpses - Simfish 01:05, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Proto Huzzah! AWWDMBJAWGCAWAIFDSPBATDMTD for life. 11:43, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• You know what you doing. Pufferfish101 02:14, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Now to memorize the acronym--64.114.17.185 23:03, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• I agree....218.214.78.117 10:01, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• I love the name of this group. It fits me perfectly. Mred64 15:47, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Me too! --Phroziac (talk) 15:30, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Laura Scudder | Talk 21:30, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Yay, a club for me! Firestorm 19:09, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• This is by far the stupidest, most useless waste of space on all of Wikimedia and I hereby sign up as a member. Midster 00:27, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Can't be any worse then most real political parties :D --Phroziac (talk) 18:00, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• :-) Dan100 08:20, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• user:zanimum
• Bcat (talk) 17:19, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Excellent point of view. You might as well have read my mind. 212.205.219.47 09:39, 1 Jul 2005 (UTC)
• Omegatron
• This is my kind of POV. <>Who?¿? 09:09, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
• TheMidnighters 18:27, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
• 12.135.45.84 says, "uh huh. that's right."

• Ilγαηερ (Tαlκ) I join but cannot be held accountable on account of clinical insanity.
• Get_It 02:40, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
• The wub 09:14, 14 July 2005 (UTC) yay! \(^o^)/
• Yay for the name - short and succinct, just as I like it... -- Marcika 15:39, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
• If the title of this association means what I think it means, and I am what I think I am, and what I think it means is what I think I am, then by all means I am what I think it means. --Alan Au 03:46, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
• I'm already a member at AIW but I'm making a point out of joining this as well. --AceMyth 22:33, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
• I think this could fall under the category of the Use common sense guideline. Anyway, with a name like this, I have to join. w:User:JesseW 06:32, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
• I like the name, an acronym that doesn't spell a word! I'm definently joining this!. -- 65.33.92.91 17:59, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
• Aaah, noncommittal affiliation with discretionary individuals —Ringbang 20:38, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
• Those of us who find it hard to make hard decisions have a party now. I shed a tear for it. 198.60.98.125 18:38, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
• This is exactly me. AWWDMBJAWGCAWAIFDSPBATDMTD doesn't sound bad, either. SFGiants 23:10, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
• Huzzah! User:Teentitans i need to start logging in...
• Ah, suitably vague... Yes! Flowerparty 14:41, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
• Blockinblox 15:47, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
• Clavicula Pontifex 21:12, 15 march -6000 (UTC). Now now... there are no absolute premises upon which a post can be deemed unworthy. At the very foundation of any utterance is meaning that tallies not with an objective reality outside ourselves; instead these are mere instruments to satisfy human needs, categories we impose on reality to make it practical to our subjective existence. This is why the "Some Particularly Bad Articles" statement can only be rooted in a subjective position, with a corresponding opposite position that is not more nor less valid; One can therefore not trump the other in an objectively justifiable manner... This is why I call for truncation of the association's title to a mere "Editing Association of Wikipedians Who Dislike Making Broad Judgements About the Worthiness of a General Category of Article".
• LoopZilla 20:23, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
• Sjakkalle 13:17, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
• 68.104.69.70 06:15, 1 September 2005 (UTC) Don't really know what I'm signing up for, but I figured 'what the heck!'
• Here's to AWWDMBJAWGCAWAIFDSPBATDMTD!!! Ryan Norton ^{T | @ | C} 09:24, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
• Phase2 of Wikipedianism now beckons.Phase1 11:32, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
• When I am able to pronounce "AWWDMBJAWGCAWAIFDSPBATDMTD" three times quickly, I will know it is time to take a wikibreak. Nandesuka 15:32, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
• Following the crowd. --BenKovitz 17:39, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
• Cmadler 13:09, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Voting for General Secretary

• I, Ashibaka, vote for Ashibaka.
  • As do I. ‣ᓛᖁᑐ 03:54, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Here Here for Ashibaka Objective Researcher 05:06, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • I was being sarcastic, everyone should vote for themselves. :)
• I vote for everyone and no one. [[User:BrokenSegue|BrokenSegue]] 01:58, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • I second the vote for everyone. He's been doing a good job so far. --Ben Brockert < 04:16, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • I third the vote for everyone. TAS 16:49, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • I fourth the vote for everyone. — Bcat (talk | email) 18:35, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
  • I fifth the vote for everyone. SFGiants 23:10, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
• Neutral -- I dislike making broad judgements about the worthiness of a general secretary. --Tysto 04:43, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• I think no-one has been doing a good job recently. Vote for "no one".
• I move to strike the votes for General Secretary and renominate Ashibaka for Admiral Secretary. <>Who?¿? 11:43, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
  • I move to strike all above votes and renominate Ashibaka for Lord High Admiral of the Fleet. Smoddy 09:15, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
    • I second the motion and then eat it. mmmmm. 69.193.171.161 07:43, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Motion Tabled

• As General Secretary, I note that a motion has been seconded to strike all votes for General Secretary (everyone (incumbent): 5*; Ashibaka: 3; noone:2*); and to nominate Ashibaka for "Lord High Admiral of the Fleet". Blockinblox 15:47, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

(*Includes one joint vote for "everyone and noone")

Voting on this motion closes in 24 hrs.

Those in favour:

Opposed:

Abstentions: General Secretary Jones

• Voting on this motion is now closed and it is not carried. Votes for everyone (incumbent) as General Secretary remain in place, and are still the majority. General Secretary Blockinblox 22:36, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Compare

• Members of this association are also invited to join the Harmonious Editing Club.
• Association of Apathetic Wikipedians
• Association of Inclusionist Wikipedians
• Association of Deletionist Wikipedians
• Association of Mergist Wikipedians
• Association of Redirectionist Wikipedians
• Association of Anarchist Wikipedians
• Association of Conservative Semi-Prejudicial Wikipedians