Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Simple German

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  • Proposed website name: einfach.wikipedia.org
  • Proposer's user account in Meta and other wikis: pentiumforever (Meta Wiki, German Wikipedia, German Wikinews)
  • User accounts of others who are willing to work on the proposed wiki: Caesarion, Waltershausen, Bopopop
  • App. number of speakers: Over 80 Millions Natural language
  • Location(s) spoken: Germany, Switzerland, Austria - In Eastern Europe is it a Major foreign language
  • Link to request on a mailing list: http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2005-April/038870.html
  • Comments:
    • I want to start a Wikipedia similar to "Simple English" but in German; the terms a generally the Same (For kids, teenagers, students, teachers and translators). The German wikipedia is the second largest after the English so it should be easy to find people to help.
    • We should have a standard form for simple language Wikipedias; currently Simple English is at "simple". Perhaps "simple.en", and "einfach.de"? James F. (talk) 18:55, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • If we have a list of simple words for einfach.wp, I would be willing to fill the pt.wikt with them. --E2m 02:12, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
      • You should do it on the en.wikt as well. I don't know much Portuguese (except it's related to Spanish.) Scott Gall 08:36, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • I don't think simple.en was a great success, so I'm skeptic about a simple.de project - and there are more English-speaking persons than German-speaking. What about a Wikijunior project? Wikijunior also has to use a simple language, and it I think it would be a greater success. --Thomas G. Graf 12:53, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
      • You're the one who likened Parseltongue to nonsense. But on a more relevant tangent, the Simple WPs are for people from overseas who are learning to speak those languages, but Wikijunior is for small children. NazismIsntCool 01:31, 8 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support
      • --Yonghokim 18:08, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC) personally it would be great to pick up on german that I was learning as a side access to the Deutsch wikipedia. Millions around the world learn german as the prime european language to be learned, especially as the unification becomes a possibility.
      • As long as the name is sorted out, of course. James F. (talk) 18:55, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
      • As long as the name is sorted out, of course. --E2m 01:28, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
      • I would find this valuable as a German student. I could contribute to it and read it. My only concern lies with diluting efforts from the primary German Wikipedia. I think einfach.wikipedia.org is elegant and consistant. We won't experience namespace collisions because few languages will necessitate simple versions, and "simple" is a different word for each of the top wikis. Davidstrauss 22:19, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
        • Except for English and French, of course. Caesarion 13:31, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
          • also spanish. but then again, you can play around with synonyms - sencillo etc --Yonghokim 05:20, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
          • I was accounting for synonyms or terms of equal classification value (like "easy"). I'd advocate facile.wikipedia.org for French and sencillo.wikipedia.org for Spanish. We could make this work for enough languages. It's not like we need that many simple Wikipedias. I personally wouldn't advocate one for Spanish because it's already such a simple language with a relatively small vocabulary (relative to English). A simple Wikipedia for German would be nice because many grammatic complexity issues (for the purpose of reading) can be eased with restrictions on sentence ordering (i.e. not taking advantage of the sentence structure flexibility afforded by declension). I'm not familar enough with French to offer an informed opinion about the need for a simple French Wikipedia. Davidstrauss 01:07, 4 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • I am intrested with a SIMPLE GERMAN wiki. I started a while ago and I want to learn more.--68.7.199.254 02:15, 4 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • I´d also enjoy reading a simple German Wikipedia. (A german language as a second language learner) --Javier Carro 08:47, 4 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • I was just thinking about something like this a few days ago. Then on the mailing list I find out there's an actual proposal for it. Too bad it'll probably get held up in red tape. Anthony DiPierro 12:25, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • I think it would be extremely useful to the learner of German. The German language is hardly obscure, and has the second largest wikipedia. I think such a project, so long as 'twere handled properly, would be of great value. I support its creation. BryanAJParry
    • Oppose
      • Node ue 03:42, 10 May 2005 (UTC) I have already given an antijustification on Wikipedia-l[reply]
      • I would rather opt for creating a limited number of simplified articles (for difficult subjects) within the existing German Wikipedia, e. g. a simple [de:Astrophysik (einfach)] alongside the "regular" [de:Astrophysik] article. This could also work other langages, of course. Arbeo 12:45, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
      • WP is primarily a reference and not a language course. I don't see the need for "einfach" versions of articles on de.wp either; every article should have a simple introduction that can be understood by everyone, and we can go into more detail later on in the article. --Stw 22:20, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
    • Other
      • Angela expressed reservations on Wikipedia-l, although not explicitly opposing it
      • I know what you guys should do. Close down Simple and move its content to a Simple: namespace. Create simple namespaces in the other wikis. Also, it is possible do simple Japanese pages as well, at 2 levels: one with kana but no kanji (or whatever they're called) and one in Romaji (or Romanji?) NazismIsntCool 04:53, 11 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]