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Un fenomeno curioso ma che è meglio risolvere

Ciao, Caro Prq17, mi sono resa conto solo recentemente di essere stata vittima innocente di un fenomeno curioso: avevo transitoriamente smesso di tradurre qui in Meta-Wiki per dedicarmi quasi esclusivamente (oltre alla mia real-life) all' editazione di vari articoli sulla eml.wikipedia; contemporaneamente soffrivo di strappi muscolari alla spalla-braccio destri. Esito: la concentrazione e preoccupazione per l'accuratezza e delicatezza di quel compito mi astraeva persino dalla solita postura idonea e giusta della dattilografa che resta coerente con la propria fisicità... Torno qui a tradurre August-Highlights (in eml) e ritrovo in breve tempo la giusta irrorazione e mantenimento ottimale di braccio e spalla... W le traduzioni, allora! --Gloria sah (talk) 20:41, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

@Gloria sah: come va il tuo lavoro su eml-wiki? PiRSquared17 (talk) 23:22, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Che piacere che non mi dimentichi!! Grazie del Tuo gentile interessamento: direi che le cose là in eml.wikipedia procedono bene, visto che io e il mio (quasi unico) collega, il Mirandolese, sforniamo un paio di articoli ciascuno ogni giorno! Totale circa 4 articoli al dì, non male per gente che ha famiglia e lavora di giorno!! Nel frattempo uscite fuori anche alcune malelingue (pettegoli cattivelli), che, una volta capito cosa vogliono, è solo questione di fare tesoro anche delle loro critiche... Di tradurre verso l'italiano, nel frattempo mi sono stancata: mi sono registrata solo per tradurre verso l' eml-egl, poichè lì veramente manca la gente.. Te, sempre stessa posizione/ruolo, o hai diciamo fatto qualche scelta diversa e ulteriore? Attenderò di avere Tue notizie, Ciao, --Gloria sah (talk) 23:10, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

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Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

New features

• You can now choose which language to show for SVG files that contain several languages, using the "lang" option, like [[File:Gerrit_patchset_25838_test.svg|lang=de]] for the German layer of File:Gerrit patchset 25838 test.svg.
• Developers are looking for wiki communities to try the new search system. [1]

VisualEditor news

• You can now create and edit references inside media captions. [2]
• You now need to press the "delete" key twice to delete a template, reference or image; the first time, they only become selected, to avoid accidental deletion of infoboxes and similar content. [3]
• When you resize images, you will now still see them, and their size will also be seen in the center. [4] [5]

Future

• The new notifications system ("Echo") will be added to almost all wikis that don't already have it on October 22. It will notify you of changes and events that affect you. [6]
• MediaWiki 1.22wmf22 was added to test wikis on October 17. It will arrive to non-Wikipedia wikis on October 21 and all Wikipedia wikis on October 24 (calendar).
• The interface to reset your password will soon be changed. [7]

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09:29, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

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Cross wikiing

I'd be curious to hear what you've found to work. –SJ talk  04:48, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

@Sj: Could you please be more specific? Do you mean importing/exporting to other wikis? PiRSquared17 (talk) 13:42, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

I was in the neighborhood

...and thought I'd say hello. Been seeing a number of your posts at VPT over on enwp. You certainly know your stuff. I was dealing with some ABF over at enwp for a while and thought about moving to the smaller wikis. Which ones need the most help? Kind regards. 64.40.54.157 05:06, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Well, it depends on what you're interested in. If you want to stick to en-language projects you have several options, including these:

• You might enjoy contributing travel information to Wikivoyage, the WMF's newest project.
• The English Wiktionary is hardly small, and I've heard that its community can be harsh, but you might be interested in adding definitions and cleaning up formatting. (Alternative: the smaller Simple English Wiktionary, or non-Wikimedia OmegaWiki)
• Wikisource could always use more transcribers/proofreaders (Alternative: any other Wikisource subdomain, as long as you can transcribe/read that language)
• Wikiquote seems nice to me, but I don't have any experience there so I can't tell you for sure
• (en)Wikinews has a small community, but it seems many new users are driven away by the admins. (in my experience, they're not as bad as some say.)
• Wikibooks is a good project, and you can contribute to any topic you are interested in there.
• Not a lot of people outside of academia edit Wikiversity and Wikispecies, but they seem to be doing fine.
• Simple English Wikipedia. I don't know how they're doing recently.
• multilingual projects (Commons/Wikidata/Meta). They all use English as a main language. Commons is the most controversial, but probably also the most well known. Wikidata is the newest and is now a sort of buzzword in the Wikimedia movement. Meta is old and needs a lot of help with organization.

If you're willing to venture outside the en-projects (and simple.*, sco.*, etc.), you will find the projects that really need the most help. See an incomplete list here or here (ignore closed wikis). Most African language projects fall into this category, as well as some projects in small European (nrm.wikipedia), Asian (e.g., bo.wikipedia), and Native American languages (e.g., chywiki). One way to help these projects is to join the SWMT. Some other projects that need help are the ones currently in the incubator:. I recommend you continue to edit enwiki occasionally even if you start to contribute elsewhere. If there are problems there, try to fix them rather than leaving. HTH PiRSquared17 (talk) 13:29, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

talkpage stalker swoops in to comment... I have recent experience (albeit only a couple edits) with wikiquote, and my correction was not insta-reverted. I did, however, take the precaution of looking at the edit-history of the page I was planning on changing, noting the talkpage of the admin who looked like they reverted the most vandalism, and then first asking permission on that specific admin's talkpage, with a couple words about the changes I was planning ("fix obvious spelling errors"), and a link to the page in question. They immediately told me to WP:BOLD, and I was, and my changes stuck, so probably the precaution was not actually necessary. If you have interest in famous wise sayings, wikiquote is pretty fun, and they need help -- the obvious spelling errors were in the Steinbeck page, which I would have thought would get plenty of wikiLove. (( Update a few minutes later -- small world.... the wikiquote admin that was perfectly cool with beginners was ningauble, see below, they just posted something about the wikiquote-bot-stuff, in the next section of this very talkpage. ))

   As for the rumors that wiktionary 'can be harsh' ...that is an incredible understatement, in my anecdotal experience anyhoo. When I last was there, a couple weeks ago (first time in years), I posted a definition of the phrase "strong silent type" as used in the movie industry (I needed to link there from an article here on enWiki), which I found wiktionary did not have at all, though dictionary.reference.com did have the entry (in the Dictionary Of Idioms or somesuch... but Wikipedia:WP:NOTPAPER, right?). Of course, when I tried to post my definition, it was rejected, because I had provided URLs as citations that attested the phrase was in use, and wiktionary bots detected my harmful action and disallowed it. Deja vu....

   So, I mangled the URLs, and submitted anyways, with a note to the submission-approving Wikipedia:WP:NINJA that was no doubt about to review my *new* harmful action, explaining that a bot made me do it, and predicting that they would revert without reading my self-referential complaint. Within a minute or two, the entry had been deleted as non-dictionary-ic (wikipedia deletionists have the advantage that "non-encyclopedic" is a real word... even if it is not usually indicative of a real reason beyond Wikipedia:WP:IDONTLIKEIT). I read the policy they cited, copied the summary sentence -- "dictionaries should have words and phrases people are likely to look up" -- then went to their talkpage, and complained, posting Wikipedia:WP:GOOG proof that "silent strong type" was very rarely used, except in one newspaper column on the sports page of Bozeman Montana, whereas "strong silent type" had fourfold as many hits, 350k or so. The sum-of-parts reversion was just flat wrong.

   Yet, the deletionist never even responded. I specifically asked them to visit me on enWiki so I would hear about it. Actually, let's just check.[8] As of today, two registered-account wiktionary users have chimed in, to say they agree with me... but they DID NOT then bother to re-create the entry. Recommend staying far away, unless you have vastly more patience than me, or unless you are extremely fluent in a language where wiktionary very badly needs help, and can become an admin yourself in short order.

   The problem over there is not just one bad admin -- in fact, I actually think SemperBlotto tries quite hard to be a *great* admin, having seen their name before; they are pretty famous over at wiktionary, and pretty fair. (Some other admins^{(weasel words)} at wiktionary *are* worse unfortunately.) That said, wiktionary folks in general, including even otherwise-very-good admins like SemperBlotto, are just flat not interested in Wikipedia:WP:RETENTION... trying to find a talkpage citation for my unsourced-anecdote (now elided since I could not source my old-school harshness-of-wiktionary anecdote from a few years ago), I ran across this unwritten policy on beginners, from back in 2010.[9] I'm worried wikipedia is starting to have the same unwritten rule, despite Wikipedia:WP:BITE and pillar four. 74.192.84.101 02:41, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

I don't really know how to reply to that. The English Wiktionary has confusing rules and strict admins, but I find that its content is very useful. The English Wikinews has also had a lot of controversy about its community. Why don't you start contributing to a few projects (e.g., Wikisource and Wikiquote) and see which one is the friendliest? By the way, if either of you ever have trouble with AbuseFilters or other discrimination against unregistered users, feel free to ask me for help. (74.192: although the section below from Ningauble is about implementing an AbuseFilter, I think you'll be happy to know that I opposed their discussion on implementing automatic blocks.) PiRSquared17 (talk) 04:03, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very kindly, πr². I always appreciate your input and am always amazed at your technical knowledge. I have about a decade at enwp and things have changed drastically in that time. I'm getting burned out with it, but I always find so much work that needs to be done there that I'll probably always contribute something.

Thanks very much for the heads up, 74. I must say I was shocked after reading some of the links you provided. I've never contributed at Wiktionary, so it's good find out this stuff before I try. I've been doing little bits here and there at Wikiquote for about a year and they seem to be a friendly bunch of volunteers. I actually suggested an edit filter at q:WQ:AN#Edit filter maybe over the summer, but that was for repeating characters. It didn't get a response, so I don't think I encouraged the recent edit filter discussion.

I appreciate the input from both of you. I guess I'll wander around some of the smaller wikis and see what I can see. Thanks for the help. 64.40.54.76 05:07, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Spambots at Wikiquote

You have e-mail re. your offer to help at q:en:Wikiquote:Administrators' noticeboard. ~ Ningauble (talk) 21:48, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Wikivoyage/it#Lingue

Have you any idea on why the column lingua is still in English, and ...this is THE question... why Italian it has been converted into Hebrew?

I've tried to fix it but I don't know where to put my hands.

Let me know, --Andyrom75 (talk) 07:51, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

@Andyrom75: Hello! Although this was fixed in the main Wikivoyage article a while ago, the changes have not been automatically applied to the translations. I fixed this by null editing one of the translation units of the /it page: [10]. Hope this helps. PiRSquared17 (talk) 12:54, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Gosh! Easier than I've tought! :-D I'll check & fix the other language versions that have the same issue. Thanks, --Andyrom75 (talk) 12:35, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Oops: just noticed that I can't edit them. Could you do it? --Andyrom75 (talk) 12:38, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

For your convenience I'm adding here the list of the page that needs to be fixed:

• Wikivoyage/be
• Wikivoyage/fr
• Wikivoyage/ro
• Wikivoyage/ru
• Wikivoyage/sv

Please let me know if you can fix it. Thanks, --Andyrom75 (talk) 14:33, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

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VisualEditor news

• On wikis with VisualEditor, you can now use it on pages in the File, Help and Category spaces. [12]

Problems

• On October 22 (UTC), an error in the site settings caused *.wikimedia.org sites (like Meta-Wiki and Commons) to redirect to wikimediafoundation.org for a few hours. [13]

Future

• MediaWiki 1.23wmf1 was added to test wikis on October 24. It will arrive to non-Wikipedia wikis on October 28 and all Wikipedia wikis on October 31 (calendar).
• In the next days, servers in San Francisco will start providing (cached) content to users located in Oceania. If you are in that area and notice problems, please tell us. [14]
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09:58, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Question on time/date templates

I have time/date templates on two of my user pages:
w:en:User:StevenJ81
w:simple:User:StevenJ81
When I go to the one on simple, I always see an updated page when I go to it. When I go to the one on en, I do not. (I am signed in, and using https.) Any sense why one is automatically updating and one is requiring a manual purge? (The en used to work correctly, I think.) Many thanks. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:01, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: Are you sure it always updates on simple? It still says 1:07 pm for me. I had to purge your userpage on enwiki to get it to say "26 Cheshvan 5774". I don't know the details of caching on Wikimedia sites. PiRSquared17 (talk) 17:18, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

It does at least the first time I go in a session. Not a big deal; just wondered. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:25, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

StevenJ81: This is hard to reproduce and diagnose. :/ I'll look into this more tomorrow. You might get a better response from the Wikimedia server experts in #wikimedia-tech^connect or maybe even on w:WP:VPT. PiRSquared17 (talk) 17:36, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

I'll give those a try. Thanks. StevenJ81 (talk) 19:58, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

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luri lrc translation

Hello
so thanks I'm luri translator not arabic translator and unfurtunatly luri language doesn't support in meta.wikimedia.org
I have a question: how could enable luri lrc in meta wikimedia for translation? could you help me please?
I'll wait for your answers !!! lrc lori (talk) 02:02, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

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Technical problem

Hello I'm on Bugzilla does not change anything it is automatic. if you do not mind please let them know about it. -- Дагиров Умар (talk) 07:05, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

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• You will soon be able to switch from editing in VisualEditor to editing wikitext directly without having to save the page. You can't yet switch from wikitext to VisualEditor but developers hope to make it possible in the future. [16]

Problems

• There was a problem on October 31 during the activation of MediaWiki 1.22wmf2 on test wikis. mediawiki.org was also broken, and if you had problems logging in, it was probably because of this as well.

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• Because of the problem with MediaWiki 1.22wmf2, the calendar has changed. It will be added to mediawiki.org and non-Wikipedia sites on November 4, and all Wikipedia sites on November 7.

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10:47, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

IRC

Hello,

Could you meet me on IRC tonight or sometime soon?

There are some things that need to be discussed.

Thanks,

Espreon (talk) 19:41, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Category:Wikimedia LGBT sorting

PiRSquared17, I'm afraid I am still not understanding how to sort pages in Category:Wikimedia LGBT by subpage, then language, as opposed to just by language abbreviation. If you are able to help in any way, even just by showing me an example of what to do so that I know for future reference, your help would be much appreciated. Thanks for your consideration. --Another Believer (talk) 17:12, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

@Another Believer: It depends on how you want to sort.

1. If you want "Wikimedia LGBT/Foo/fr" to show up under "Wikimedia LGBT/Foo/fr", just use the default sortkey.
2. If you want to create a separate category for each language (e.g., "Category:Wikimedia LGBT/fr"), then use {{LangCat}}.
3. If you want to sort by the "Bar" in "Wikimedia LGBT/Foo/Bar/fr", then use this as the sort key: {{#ifeq:{{PAGECONTENTLANG}}|en|{{#ifeq:{{SUBPAGENAME}}|en|{{SUBPAGENAME:{{BASEPAGENAME}}}}|{{SUBPAGENAME}}}}|{{SUBPAGENAME:{{BASEPAGENAME}}}}}}.
4. If you want to sort by the "Wikimedia LGBT/Foo" in "Wikimedia LGBT/Foo/fr", then use this as the sort key: {{#ifeq:{{PAGECONTENTLANG}}|en|{{#ifeq:{{SUBPAGENAME}}|en|{{BASEPAGENAME}}|{{PAGENAME}}}}|{{BASEPAGENAME}}}}.
5. If you want something else, ask me.

If you want me to mark it for translation and update the existing subpages, just ask. PiRSquared17 (talk) 20:58, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for responding. I think at some point in the future the group might benefit from having pages separated by language, but for now I think it would be better to sort the Category:Wikimedia LGBT by subpage (or from your example, Wikimedia LGBT/Foo). Here the main "Wikimedia LGBT" and the "Collaborations" pages are grouped nicely together, but the "Activities" and "Communications" pages are all over the place (sorted by language). My hope is that all like pages in the category can be grouped together. Is this what you mean by Option 4? If so, I have no idea what that documentation means! :p Are individual pages edited, or just one major fix at one location? Sorry for the trouble, but thank you for being helpful. --Another Believer (talk) 22:39, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

@Another Believer: You want #3, assuming you don't have any triple-subpages (Wikimedia LGBT/X/Y/de). I think you can just update Wikimedia LGBT/Nav, but some pages might override default sort. PiRSquared17 (talk) 22:46, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Like so? Making an edit on this nav template can impact the entire Wikimedia LGBT category? --Another Believer (talk) 16:18, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Option 3 sorts by the triple-subpage, but the Wikimedia LGBT links are just subpages (Wikimedia LGBT/Activities, Wikimedia LGBT/Interwiki, etc.). That's why I thought Option 4 was more appropriate. --Another Believer (talk) 18:35, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

@Another Believer: I fixed it to use #3 above. Sorry for not explaining it well. Tell me if it's good. PiRSquared17 (talk) 20:14, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Brilliant! Thank you, thank you, thank you! Sorry for the trouble, but please know how much I sincerely appreciate your assistance. --Another Believer (talk) 20:25, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Template:Welcome/lang

Please add the following line:
<!-- tt-->[[Template:Welcome/tt|{{#language:tt}}]] |
Regards, Frhdkazan (talk) 10:00, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Done PiRSquared17 (talk) 13:17, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Re: Interwiki usage

tools:~nemobis/tmp/iwm/wiki (note that non-usage on WMF wikis is just one necessary condition, not a sufficient condition). I use a script Liangent made for me, tswiki:MySQL queries#List of interwiki links from all wikis. --Nemo 16:08, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. PiRSquared17 (talk) 16:23, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

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Tech News: 2013-45 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available. New features You can now use the "Autonym" font of the Universal Language Selector (ULS) to display the name of languages (for example in navigation templates) in their correct script. To do this, add the CSS class "autonym" to the elements that include language names. Note that this font only works for the name of languages, not for any other text. [19] Problems There was a problem with Parsoid (the program used by VisualEditor to convert wikitext to annotated HTML) on November 4, between 19:40 and 20:40 (UTC). Encoding issues caused non-ASCII characters (including those with diacritics, like "é") to be broken when converted to wikitext and saved to the page. [20] Future The Beta Features tool is now available on Commons and Meta-Wiki. With it, you can test new features before they're added for everyone. The plan is to add this tool to all wikis on November 21. [21] MediaWiki 1.23wmf3 was added to test wikis on November 7. It will arrive to non-Wikipedia wikis on November 12 and all Wikipedia wikis on November 14 (calendar). [22] The MassMessage tool will be added to all wikis on November 14. It will make it simpler to send messages across wikis. [23] The button of the Search page will soon be changed to be blue and bigger (see the difference). [24] You will soon be able to add a page name as parameter for {{REVISIONID}}, {{REVISIONUSER}} and {{REVISIONTIMESTAMP}} and similar functions, by writing for example {{REVISIONID:Apple}}. [25] In the future, when you hide a CentralNotice banner on a wiki, it will also be hidden on other Wikimedia sites. [26] Tech news prepared by tech ambassadors and posted by Global message delivery • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe. 13:19, 11 November 2013 (UTC) Notification de traduction : Wikimedia Highlights, October 2013 Bonjour PiRSquared17, Vous recevez cette notification parce que vous êtes inscrit comme traducteur de français, italien et lituanien sur Meta. La page Wikimedia Highlights, October 2013 est disponible pour la traduction. Vous pouvez la traduire ici : traduire en français traduire en italien traduire en lituanien La priorité de cette page est moyenne. Please consider helping non-English-language Wikimedia communities to stay updated about the most important Wikimedia Foundation activities, MediaWiki development work and other international Wikimedia news from last month. Completed translations will be announced on Facebook, Twitter, project village pumps and (for some languages) mailing lists. If you have questions about the translation notifications system, ask them here. You can manage your subscription here Votre aide est grandement appréciée. Des traducteurs comme vous aident Meta à fonctionner comme une communauté réellement multilingue. Merci ! Les coordinateurs de la traduction de Meta‎, 06:10, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

88.235.9.59

Hi. Please help us by urgent trwiki. He/She is vandal. --►Cekli829 19:35, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Barras already blocked it. I don't have any advance rights on trwiki, as I am only a global sysop, not a steward. PiRSquared17 (talk) 19:43, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Oooo... Sorry, you bet! Best regards, --►Cekli829 17:48, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

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luri lrc verification to eligiblity

Hello
please see https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/lrc/Main_Page and https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Portal:Lrc
whether is possible to verify luri lrc to eligiblity?
so thanks

lrc lori (talk) 14:25, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

I wish I could help, but I am not part of LangCom. PiRSquared17 (talk) 15:37, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Tech News: 2013-46

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

• There was a problem caused by too many requests to the database on November 14. [27]

Future

• MediaWiki 1.23wmf4 was added to test wikis on November 14. It will arrive to non-Wikipedia wikis on November 19 and all Wikipedia wikis on November 21 (calendar).
• The new Search tool (CirrusSearch) will be added to *.wikimedia.org, Wikimania and Wikisource wikis on November 19, and Wiktionary wikis on November 21 (except where it's already available). Once it is added, you can test it by adding &srbackend=CirrusSearch to the address of the search results page. It will become the main search engine on Wikivoyage wikis on November 21. [28]
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08:59, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Vector

I am not know. How you create tool for edit global user page? --Kolega2357 (talk) 13:49, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

This is my java script. He can not work common.js. --Kolega2357 (talk) 13:55, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Do you know how to globaly change language on account? --Kolega2357 (talk) 14:02, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

How you fixing user page? For example: Fixing userpage (per request), https://sr.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Jayantanth&action=history . --Kolega2357 (talk) 15:26, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

How I can fix my user page for example? --Kolega2357 (talk) 15:30, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Which one? You can just request it to Pathoschild or Hoo, or use my script with the settings you want. But be careful. PiRSquared17 (talk) 15:31, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

How I am user your script to fix my user page in future? --Kolega2357 (talk) 15:46, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Just request Pathoschild's Synchbot or Hoo's if you can't figure my script out. PiRSquared17 (talk) 15:47, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Interwiki Tooltips

Hello,

I see that interwiki tooltips have the names of languages in the current wiki's language, thus, as byspel, on the Spanish Wikipedia, an English interwiki link's tooltip will have "inglés" and a Bulgarian interwiki link's tooltip on the Modern English Wikipedia will have "Bulgarian".

I've been trying to find a way to translate these for OE wikiprojects, but I couldn't find anything.

Do you know anything about this?

Thanks,

Espreon (talk) 14:37, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

I never realized this. Can you give an example link that does this? PiRSquared17 (talk) 14:42, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Just go to the Spanish Wikipedia's mainpage and have your cursor hover over the interwiki links on the left pane.

Espreon (talk) 14:53, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

@Espreon: See translatewiki:FAQ#Language_names. PiRSquared17 (talk) 14:57, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi User:PiRSquared17, would you modify all my userpages if need be like you did for Jayantanth ? Thanks for your help and time. Lotje (talk) 16:46, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

be.wikiquote.org

Hi. Where's requests are served on the status of the administrator on an abandoned Fund projects? --Адмирал Вуллф Юларен (talk) 15:51, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure what you mean, Admiral Yularen, but I think you're looking for SRP. PiRSquared17 (talk) 19:27, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

beat you by 30 seconds... well, it was a *moral* victory, at least

Nevermind, cancel my request below, already fixed. Thanks.  :-)

MF-Warburg, can you fix this again please?[30]

(cur | prev) 19:31, 19 November 2013‎ Claudio 73 (talk | contribs)‎ . . (9 bytes) (-47,768)‎ . . (Replaced content with "ptmav5c5f")
(cur | prev) 18:45, 19 November 2013‎ MF-Warburg (talk | contribs)‎ m . . (47,777 bytes) (0)‎ . . (Protected "Trademark policy": Excessive vandalism ([Edit=Allow only autoconfirmed users] (indefinite) [Move=Allow only autoconfirmed users] (indefinite)))

I would click undo myself, but page is semi-protected, so.... Gracias. 74.192.84.101 19:42, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

No problemo. By the way, I think you'll be pleased by my modifications to Special:AbuseFilter/71. PiRSquared17 (talk) 19:45, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Cool, I'll check it out. I'm still working on my template-rewrites... also, it turns out that GRCA Mortgages Corporation has a wikipedia page, or at least, their Notable CEO does. What does Wikipedia:WP:IAR say about such cases? So what is the trigger for the influx of edits by Burgerbros / HarrysMilkyNip / Rayburnkory / Claudio73 / prollyMoreLater? Are they some sort of script-kiddies, who do their hacktivism on wikipedia, because security on the CIA homepage is too tough nowadays?

abridged edit-history for past 36 hours
(cur | prev) 19:31, 19 November 2013‎ Claudio 73 (talk | contribs)‎ . . (9 bytes) (-47,768)‎ . . (Replaced content with "ptmav5c5f") reverted 1 min later by PiRSquared17 ... but at least one human saw the problem (cur | prev) 18:45, 19 November 2013‎ MF-Warburg (talk | contribs)‎ m . . (47,777 bytes) (0)‎ . . (Protected forever: "Excessive vandalism") (cur | prev) 18:44, 19 November 2013‎ Harrysmilkynip (talk | contribs)‎ . . (47 bytes) (-47,730)‎ . . (Replaced content with "one direction are sex they make my vagigi rain") reverted 1 min later by Tegel, banned (cur | prev) 16:21, 19 November 2013‎ Rayburnkory (talk | contribs)‎ m . . (427 bytes) (-47,350)‎ . . (Replaced content with "A LOT OF PEOPLE DONT TRUST WIKIPEDIA. MOSTLY BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN CHANGE THE INFROMATION. WELL, HERE IS SOMETHING I HACKED INTO AND NOW PUT A LOCK ON ALL MY POSTS THAT I MAK...") reverted 1 min later by Glaisher, banned (cur | prev) 14:28, 19 November 2013‎ Burgerbros (talk | contribs)‎ . . (47,100 bytes) (-677)‎ reverted 3 minutes later by Tegel ... very surgical edit, may not have been vandalism? not blocked. (cur | prev) 12:11, 19 November 2013‎ Ocaasi (talk | contribs)‎ . . (47,777 bytes) (0)‎ . . (Link is to the 'wikipedia community logo' not the 'wikipedia community'.) (cur | prev) 09:02, 19 November 2013‎ Lotje (talk | contribs)‎ . . (47,777 bytes) (+9)‎ . . (added lanyards) (cur | prev) 07:56, 19 November 2013‎ John of Reading (talk | contribs)‎ m . . (47,768 bytes) (-3)‎ . . (grammar "can quickly fill it out" > "can quickly fill out") (cur | prev) 06:51, 19 November 2013‎ Philippe (WMF) (talk | contribs)‎ . . (47,771 bytes) (-35)‎ . . (moving to FAQ) (cur | prev) 06:15, 19 November 2013‎ Jalexander (talk | contribs)‎ . . (47,806 bytes) (0)‎ . . (fix header) (cur | prev) 05:20, 19 November 2013‎ Lotje (talk | contribs)‎ . . (47,806 bytes) (+88)‎ . . (wikilinks, +{{commonscat|Wikipedia promotion}}) (cur | prev) 01:15, 19 November 2013‎ Σ (talk | contribs)‎ m . . (47,718 bytes) (0)‎ . . (Undo revision 6422289 by Σ (talk)) (cur | prev) 01:02, 19 November 2013‎ YWelinder (WMF) (talk | contribs)‎ . . (47,718 bytes) (-2)‎ . . (/fixing typo) (cur | prev) 00:41, 19 November 2013‎ Jalexander (talk | contribs)‎ . . (47,720 bytes) (-69)‎ . . (remove fixme, already done) (cur | prev) 00:32, 19 November 2013‎ Σ (talk | contribs)‎ m . . (47,789 bytes) (0)‎ . . (Specific example) self-revert 1 minute later, commenting "Apparently that broke something..." (cur | prev) 22:15, 18 November 2013‎ Jalexander (talk | contribs)‎ . . (47,776 bytes) (+92)‎ . . (marks for fundraising) (cur | prev) 21:33, 18 November 2013‎ AKoval (WMF) (talk | contribs)‎ . . (47,684 bytes) (-9)‎ . . (fix redlinks) (cur | prev) 06:49, 18 November 2013‎ Jalexander (talk | contribs)‎ . . (47,700 bytes) (+9)‎ . . (explicity notoc) (cur | prev) 02:39, 18 November 2013‎ HWalls (talk)‎ . . (47,933 bytes) (+7)‎ . . (commenting out policies link box for meta)

That first edit by BurgerBros looked way too surgical to be vandalism; struck me more as a protest against friendlyism, since they kept 100% of the content, and just deleted the "dumbed-down" portion of the FAQ. Harry&Claudio were seemingly just vandals... but Rayburn aka 56549 sounds like a script-kiddie out for attention to my ears. Are they all the same username? How did they all find out about it at the same approximate time? No reverts the previous twenty-four-hour span, not counting sigma self-reverting. p.s. Also, the message says autoconfirmed-only, so how did Claudio73 get autoconfirmed? 74.192.84.101 20:23, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

I don't understand what you're saying about "GRCA", but a link would be nice. Burgerbros has a few edits on enwiki. They seem to be editing in good faith, but don't understand Wikipedia's rules. This leads me to believe that it is more likely that they accidentally removed the content and/or it was a test edit. I'm not sure what more can be done about Rayburnkory. Some kid (probably) isn't going to really "hack" into Wikipedia, at least not someone who writes in all caps. Maybe they don't realize that Wikipedia is (and other wikis are) supposed to be editable. Autoconfirmed is four days with no edit count requirement here. See that page for details. Edit: and to answer your other question, the page is linked in a CentralNotice campaign's banner, but is only targeted to registered users. PiRSquared17 (talk) 20:32, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Ah, okay; I'm used to 10 edits reqd for autoconfirmed status. I'm also only used to seeing fundraising-spam; this is helpful.[31] I stumbled across a message over here instead.[32] I think my EN_US into EN_RMS translation is a big improvement, maybe we should schedule that alternative version for anons in central-notice? <grin> Anyhoo, I understand now why there was a burst of complaining today. But in that case, semi-protected indefinitely sounds nuts. Why not full-protected for just the next couple days, rather than semi && forever? I'm prolly one of the few anons to even see the page, and all the vandalism was from registered uids. And... is there an opt-out mechanism for every CentralNotice advert-campaign? See also, w:WP:TEMPLAR. 74.192.84.101 22:03, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

  My other questions take a bit more verbosity to explain. GRCA uh whoops wrong acronym GSF is owned by some 38-year-old CEO in Michigan; this Notable person has a BLP article for enWiki (and maybe uaWiki), although their *corporation* does not yet have an article. One of the 400 employees, at the same (or a very similarly-named) company GSFMG, in one of the (perhaps) out of state branches -- or conceivably an adversary trying to give the company bad press -- hired this spambot.[33] Which produced this spam.[34] Now, theoretically GSF might not be the same as GSFMG, and given the confusing use of Florida and also Virginia, who really knows whether the spam is accurate, or more importantly, whether it is genuinely from the fine corporation GSF, or one of their employees, plus just because some employee did something, it is plausible the young CEO is unaware. But... if I was the sort of person who liked pillar five, and wanted to improve wikipedia... could I not do something here? Methinks perhaps I could. I know everything I need to know, about all the actors in the play. But what actions, that I could conceivably take, would be most likely to improve wikipedia, in the long-term? That is my question. (The next question being, what sort of wiki-tool will automate the tedious portions of such work.) 74.192.84.101 22:03, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

This question in a nutshell: I know off-wiki contact info for the purchasers-aka-clients behind a spambot (the spammer-aka-botnet-owner they hired is unknown to me... however that info cannot be unknown to them and mayhap they would reveal such if we asked). I'm interested in reducing spam, by training their corporation in how to *correctly* use wikipedia; they already have a wikipedia BLP. What is the correct way forward? *Is* there a correct way forward? I have a list of ten ideas, but they cannot all be good ones, let alone Good ones. 74.192.84.101 21:12, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

  As for the topic today, the short list of P&TO-policy-haters, I'll see if I can have a chat with BurgerBros, and figure out what's up. Rayburn would tell you THAT ALL THE INFROMATION needed to crack into wikipedia is *already* posted on their TotallySuperCoolGiveMeAttentionMeMeMeeeeeeeeDotCom website if you would just *visit* them sometimes and pay some attention to them and... whoa, sorry.  :-)   And yes, I wasn't suggesting that their claim to have HAQKED into the mediawiki server-farm, thereby preventing reversion, was legit. More, I was wondering what the usual policy is for dealing with folks "like" our good friend Rayburn... which I'll leave vague and scarequoted to avoid NPA. Basically, my question is, might there be some way to channel their energies, into a useful... or at least less-destructive... sort of activity?

  I would be hard-pressed to call Rayburn's edit good-faith... but it was also not obviously wholly in Bad Faith. Maybe their website TotallySuperWhatever really does have all the cool info, just as they claim in their spam.  ;-)   And it is true that wikipedia's reliability suffers from the random person's ability to create an account and make edits, five minutes before I see the page... and said edits look identical to other edits elsewhere on the page, made years ago by esteemed wikipedians, which have survived for many moons without being reverted. So at least Rayburn was right about that. As you may have guessed, I have a channeling-scheme in mind, as well as a reliability-rendering-scheme that might be useful in such cases. But before I bend your ear to Yet Another Scheme To Friendlyize And Rainbowize Our WikiVerse (henceforth YASTFAROW), what is the current policy for dealing with editors that do some damage... but unlike Claudio's pure destruction for LULZ, also seem to have some other sort of motivations, like Rayburn? 74.192.84.101 22:03, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

I agree that the RMS translation is better. I don't really want to change the protection now, because some WMF staff might not have the right to edit fully-protected page (although they could get it). I'm pretty sure every campaign banner has an "X" button which adds a cookie to disable that banner. Re: the "hacker" (not as in RMS, ESR, etc.) I don't know of any policy about that, but maybe directing them to the normal enwiki new-user tutorials, help desks/teahouse, and even "adoption" would be useful. There's probably some WP: or page on Meta or meatball: about this, but I don't know what it is. Maybe this even, idk. PiRSquared17 (talk) 15:38, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Forgot to mention this... but yes, I'm also pretty sure there is a per-banner-per-campaign-opt-out. Note that this is *not* the same thing as an opt-out message that the w:CAN-SPAM#Unsubscribe_compliance, which I'm pretty sure the WMF believes they are legally exempt from. Not least because they are. :-)   But regardless of what the legalese loopholes permit, WMF is sending advert-spam (e.g. "10% off in the wikipedia store" was a one-day advert campaign this summer). They are not giving users the ability to opt-out, permanently. Do other sites have banner adverts, which they require you to see? Sure. Should wikipedia? Nope. Or at least: not without a vote of the 200M monthly visitors, plus the 31k active editors. Anyways, at the moment I have too many WP:RGW things on my plate, but in the long run, I'd like to see WMF reorganized as a bottom-up governance system; that's related to busting up the wikiCulture, of course, but not absolutely *required* perhaps. 74.192.84.101 21:25, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

retention vs wikiCulture

"some WMF staff might not have the right" This is the problem, in a nutshell, that I am fighting. WikiCulture is the real trouble here, not any particular protection of any particular page, or any particular text of any particular message. Why is a spambot lower-caste than a human vandal? Why is a human vandal lower-caste than an anon contributor? Why is an anon lower-caste than a registered UID? Why is a registered UID lower-caste than WMF staff? Why is Chuck Norris, may he live ten thousand years, on top of the caste-system?

  In other words, why are specific decisions made they way they are? The abuseFilter57 is an example, the antispamTemplateSpam message is an example, and the trademark page is an example. The latter one is a concrete and specific Poor Decision (no offense to MfWarburg -- they seem to be on the side of The Good,[35] from discussions I've seen them engage in elsewhere, and I don't want to harp on them, but vague generalities are too handwavy to get my point across). I'll ping them in case they object to my characterization here.

  So what happened with the trademark-page and the semi-prot-indef? MfWarburg saw three(3) felt-were-unconstructive-edits. One was a surgical removal of the dumbed-down-repetitive-stuff at the top of the page. One was something about pr0n. One was a script-kiddie trying to make a w:WP:POINT. They all happened in a single day, because WMF spammed all 31k registered enWiki usernames with their form-letter... sheesh.

  Response: indefinite protection. Not an hour. Not a day. Not a week. Indefinite. Against whom, exactly? Well, me, alone, I think. I'm probably the only anon who knows that the trademark-thing is up for discussion, because the spam only went to registered uids. But taken more broadly... all three reverted edits were from registered uid folks. There were *zero* reverted edits from IP folks. But the knee-jerk reaction is to follow the caste-system rules, and protect against IPs. Of course, shortly afterwards, the first case of *obvious* vandalism, where the page was replaced with gibberish that did not even qualify as pr0n, was from Claudio73, that you caught and fixed. Hint: an autoconfirmed uid! Define irony, as usual.

  So my basic assertion is this: three edits, by three different UIDs, does not persistent constitute, as yoda might say. Knee-jerk protecting against anons specifically (strike one), when no anons were notified in the first place (strike two), and no anons had ever edited the page from what I can tell (strike three), was the wrong decision. Indef "protection" from dastardly anons? Well, that's the wikiCulture caste-system at work. While it would please me to see the page changed to pending-level-one, rather than indef-against-anons, what would really please me is to see it unprotected. But that's a minor victory that won't matter a year from now. I'm seeking a major victory. I want to bust up the caste-system. I want admins to stop knee-jerk reacting. I want folks to really really WP:AGF once more, and for editors to really really have liberty to edit the encyclopedia that anyone can edit again. Right now, we are on the downhill slide towards deWiki.

  But the root of the problem, exacerbating our WikiCulture difficulties, is that we are steadily losing editors every month, not gaining. It is a vicious cycle: the more shorthanded we become, the more admins feel busy-busy, and get painted into a corner where they knee-jerk react, shoot from the hip, and then rush to the next fire. I want more retention, so admins will have more time, and I want to fix wikiCulture, so that those admins will feel the moral compulsion to *take* their time.

  The problem is not that MfWarburg made this one poor decision in haste, shooting from the hip at the wrong target... the problem is that nobody else corrected their mistake. Even more subtly, most uid editors would not even see the change *as* a problem! Page vandalized three times? Must be them damn IP vandals. Semi-protect indef. Perma-ban the culprits. Gotta clean up this mess, wish Jimbo would die, so we could finally force everybody to register with quad-factor-auth. 74.192.84.101 20:45, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I have seen the 3 vandalistic edits and decided to protect the page since I expected more nonsense to appear because of the CentralNotice. I did not set an expiry because I don't think the trademark policy (draft) needs much edits anyway which come from non-WMF (not because I think that only staffers have enough intelligence to edit a draft, but because I know that in the end they decide anyway, so e.g. improvement suggestions about the content of the policy are better made on the talk page, instead of editing them in by oneself). The protection naturally was meant to prevent further vandalism of the type that had appeared — by new accounts. Though thinking about it it might be that due to some SUL mechanisms people from other (WMF) wikis nowadays might get registered automatically on Meta much earlier than before they ever visit it "personally". I did not expect an autoconfirmed vandal to appear just after the protection (irony of fate!). I would state that to my defense, we don't know how many attempted vandal edits by IPs and non-autoconfirmed users were prevented now by the protection; but since the CentralNotice, as I have seen now in the CN calendar, was not visible for IPs, and for the SUL reason mentioned above, I guess it's possible that that number might be too low to have justified the protection.

In any case, I have now removed the protection. --MF-W 22:12, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

You should not lower your defenses so quickly, Skywalker.... Muuaahhhaha! Now my plan is complete! Strike, my army of anons, strike! Whoa. Not sure where *that* came from.  ;-)   Since as you say the trademark-policy is effectively a legal document, with terms-of-service stuff, to me it should be under level-one w:WP:FLAGGED protection. That way, myself -- or anybody else -- can make an edit to the page, but the edit will not go live until somebody with reviewer-permissions glances it over.

  I also am trying to convince PiRsquared that the same level of protection (or perhaps admin-only or even dev-only rather than reviewer-only) is a good idea for the error-message of AbuseFilter#71, and for that matter, the regex behind AbuseFilter#71, and the PHP code in the abuse-filter-extension itself. As for the trademark-page, I was also confused about the autoconfirmed thing, but the rules for min-edit-count-to-achieve-autoconfirmed differ by wiki (meta is zero), yet at the same time the "days registered" is a *global* counter across all wikis. So my intuition was also out of whack, much like yours... and then, when I tried to revert the fourth vandal, I could not, because of the semi-protection!  ;-)   Double the irony, double the fun.

  But, this suggests that instead of the meaning of "semi-protected" being a dynamically-defined thing, which varies based on the local wiki's definition of autoconfirmed, and the local wiki's definition of days-registered, it would instead be smarter to explicitly define some protection-levels based on min-edit-count. That way, if you as the steward applied G99-protection to some page on meta, it could only be edited by folks -- registered or anons makes no difference -- with at least 100 edits globally. Alternatively, you could instead apply L99-protection, keeping the page from being edited by anybody with less than 100 edits on the local wiki (in this example scenario metaWiki). Could also use GM99 and LM99 for mainspace, and boolean-combos like G99-or-(LM55-and-LT22)-protection. Has anybody ever tried something like this before? 74.192.84.101 00:17, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

p.s. It is only a rough metric, but if you have a count of the number of times 'view source' was clicked, that will tell us how many anons attempted to edit the page by clicking the button where 'edit' would normally be found. Of course, that's prolly not tracked except in the raw webserver logfiles, and furthermore, some would know better than to bother clicking, since it no longer says 'edit'. Maybe worth changing that, so such things can be tracked? 74.192.84.101 00:21, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

MF-W is a local sysop on Meta, as well as a steward. He is (IMO) one of the nicest people around here. A problem with that is that editcount is not equivalent to trust, and it is completely different from the way protection is currently implemented; core would need a few changes to support that. Stewards and global sysops (etc.) don't technically have local rights to do things, but our global rights allow us to use those rights. When we do so, we use the same interface that someone with the equivalent local rights would use. PiRSquared17 (talk) 03:41, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Well, I'm fuzzy on the whole steward-globalSysop-etc world of details; MF seems peachy to me, though. :-)   But I'm not fuzzy on the page-protection-implementation; should not be *terribly* hard to add some additional page-prot mechanisms, based on some edit-count-metric. Agree that editcountitis != trust, with any reliability. But neither does autoconfirmed == trust, so I'm not clear we lose anything, philosophically speaking. We could always implement some kind of RSA-signed web-of-trust thing, but that seems like a solution looking for a problem. 74.192.84.101 04:11, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Why don't you search bugzilla or file a bug? I guess you would need to ask on mw:RFC if you want it in core, not an extension. An easier solution might be to create two more automatically-assigned groups, one for users with >100 edits and one for users with >500 edits, and add protection levels for those groups, since I doubt we need any more restrictions than that. But wouldn't pending changes be better in cases like this? PiRSquared17 (talk) 18:06, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

About flagged revisions stuff, FlaggedRevs is not enabled on Meta. --MF-W 19:52, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Okay... is it to avoid the slippery slope, or for some other reason? 74.192.84.101 04:11, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

1) We don't need it very much. 2) We already have systems for our highest risk pages (e.g., the "/temp" subpages of www portals, and the talk page of the Spam blacklist). If you think we should have flaggedrevs, ask on Meta:Babel. PiRSquared17 (talk) 18:07, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

abuseFilter#71, new user adding links and removing existing content

Well, I was trying to check out your improvements, but got stuck.

1. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter/history
2. clicked on the upper of your two changes on Nov 17th
3. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter/history/71/diff/prev/601
4. PHP fatal error in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.23wmf4/extensions/AbuseFilter/Views/AbuseFilterViewDiff.php line 30:
5. Call to undefined method TableDiffFormatterFullContext::_start_diff()

Tried repeating, but got the same error... and undefined method sounds like a fatal error, methinks. 74.192.84.101 20:34, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

I already filed a bug. ;) I left a note in the textbox thing describing the changes. Oh, are the notes private too? Here you go: "Down to 3, and more descriptive title. Remove 'prevent', and make public. --PiRSquared" The name of the filter was something like "spam". PiRSquared17 (talk) 20:37, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

No, I can see the note that you added a more descriptive title just fine. (You too <ohJoy> can simulate being an IP-anon, by opening another distinct browser-executable, in which you have not saved your login-data, methinks. Just don't forget, and accidentally click "edit" over the in not-logged-in-Safari-or-whatever window; maybe some client-side javascript could help enforce that rule?) But yes, heh heh, just noticed that it says "Notes (private)" on the screen... maybe time to file a different bugzilla request. Now obviously, I'd vastly prefer the bug-report to say "delete the incorrect word 'private' from the label" as opposed to the alternative bug-report of "hide the secret notes-field away from prying anons as the label demands".  :-)   The reason I was trying to view the history, was to see what the *old* title was (spam-or-whatever), before you changed it on the 17th, and there is no 'history' thing at the top of the page in question. And of course, warn-rather-than-prevent is always a win for WP:NICE. Appreciate it.

  Best of all, there is now even a button where I can edit the 'abusefilter-warning' which appears. "Warning: This action has been automatically identified as harmful.... the abuse rule which your action matched is: $1" Pfffttt. Of course, the page is locked, so that *I* cannot actually make any edits to the message. "You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reason: This page provides interface text for the software on this wiki, and is protected to prevent abuse." Maybe add a link there, to the appropriate noticeboard, so that people who *do* want the message changed, can contact somebody with the power to change it?

  That said, I recently made some edits to something for which I did not have permission, which was also protected to prevent trouble. Why not downgrade the 'abusefilter-warning' level of protection to be the same as the-man-who-could-not-have-acted-alone? Here is the message you get when you edit that page, fully compliant with friendlyism methinks: "Note: Edits to this page are subject to review (help). (show details)" When you look at the details, it says that the reason was 'persistent vandalism' ... which prolly means more than *three* instances of vandalism, if my whiskers have any sensitivity left. Not sure if the pending-changes-review-setting is indefinite, since it doesn't say, but probably it is (sigh). enWiki looks more and more like deWiki, every day.

  Anyhoo, methinks pending-change-protection would be a much better model for stopping abusive changes to the template-message-texts. For that matter, it is seemingly the *obvious* model for Trademark_Policy ... confirmed by an admin should be good enough, but still editable by anybody, just like it says on the tin. Am I offbase here? 74.192.84.101 22:46, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

I'll reply to this and the other post later. I was obviously too lazy to check it in another browser, although I have quite a few installed, or to log out. Maybe I'll file the nice one as a bug later. I can make the warning transclude a publicly-editable template if your really want. We don't have pending changes here. There are arguments both ways on that issue: it is better than preventing edits completely, but it also means that "the website you can edit" is now "the website you can request edits to and have accepted". In this case, I agree that PC is better. PiRSquared17 (talk) 23:18, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

No hurry, as you may recall, I suffer from WALLOFTEXT syndrome.  :-/   Ping my enWiki talkpage if you reply, and I don't respond promply enough for you. Well, or you can just wait until I cycle back here, to briefly save yourself from the next TLDR. <grin> Lemme know if the verbosity is overwhelming, please, and I'll try to dial it down a notch. On a related topic, I'd file the bug myself, but methinks the nice-version will have a better chance of getting implemented without pushback, if you file rather than moi. :-)

  We are on exactly the same page regarding w:WP:FLAGGED, as a violation of enWiki's core mission. I would love to see the day where ArbCom insta-ban discretionary sanctions list grew *smaller* rather than endlessly larger, and where "indefinite" was not the default behavior, and where "persistent" was not defined by the admin's frustration-level but rather a four-digit-number-per-year, and in general that we Stick To The Goal intransigently: the encyclopedia anybody can edit.

  That said, I don't want random editors (anons *or* pseudonyms) to be able to fiddle with the abusefilter-message-text, or the live-this-minute in-production PHP code which runs mediawiki. But the deWiki folks went to all the trouble to invent pending changes... why not use it to make the error-messages, and someday even the *code* itself, something anybody can request-to-be-edited? enWiki has a lot of sysadmins and programmers amongst the ~~200m uniques we get every month. WMF funding is always low, WMF schedules always slip, VizEd has already cost millions and is w:not even wrong. We ought to play to our strengths.

  p.s. CentralNotice is a bit of a madhouse... is there a page where I can run a query, that will show me a list of the *text* of the adverts which somebody logged in to enWiki would have seen (statistical chance of seeing each message in the first column and plaintext message in the second column) during the past N months? Or do I have to write something myself for that? Gracias. 74.192.84.101 12:23, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

In reply to the CentralNotice thing, you can use https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/api.php?action=centralnoticeallocations&format=json&project=wikipedia&country=US&anonymous=false&language=en to get that data, but I'm not sure if it's possible to get it in a human-readable format (well, JSON and XML are pretty readable when formatted nicely). You could also go to this ridiculously useful special page and click "Make request". I think the "Device" can be "Android" or "iPhone", but idk. I filed bugzilla:57305 about the message. PiRSquared17 (talk) 15:35, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

It would be possible to write a script to display this in a nice table, but I personally find the pretty-printed JSON from ApiSandbox to be pretty nice as it is. PiRSquared17 (talk) 16:27, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Well, since you ping, I'll give you a tidbit-answer. I was planning on reading the API docs you pointed me towards to see if I could figure this table-generation out myself, but I'm happy for you to tell me the answer.  :-)   Unless I'm misunderstanding, the queries you are showing me give me the *names* of the banners belonging to a campaign, but not the *plaintext* of the banners. "name": "trademarkpolicyA", "campaign": "Trademark policy discussion". To see what the banner *says* to random registered folks, I have to click these places... [36][37][38] then scroll down to Translatable-banner-messages and read the text1 == "Help shape new policy for these logos and other Wikimedia trademarks."

  Which is good enough for my purposes, although of course, the actual GUI-look-n-feel of the CSS-n-JS-powered banner is lost thataway... it also includes this imagefile, for instance.[39] That can be done with this trick.[40] But my goal here, is to have a page where I'm able to keep track of the banners that are popping up to folks with registered uids, without needing to become one. So I'd like to see something similar to this dataset,[41] but specialized by country-spec & language-spec & wiki-spec, then spread across discrete chunks of time. Roughly....

┌─────────────────────────────────┘
Config: proj=meta , lang=en , nation=GB , pri=NULL , datespan=2013-01-01 through 2013-99-99 , chunksize=month.

chunk	text1	banner	campaign	proj	lang	nation	start	end	pri
aug#1	(lazy)	(lazy)	HTTPS-switch-over	All	All except gom-latn	All	2013-08-21 21:29	2013-08-29 00:00	emergency
sep#1	(lazy)	(lazy)	Privacy Policy Draft	All	All except gom-latn	All	2013-09-04 04:40	2013-09-15 14:00	high
sep#2	(lazy)	(lazy)	Temporary blank balancer	All	All except gom-latn	All	2013-09-15 14:00	2013-10-05 15:00	normal
sep#3	(lazy)	(lazy)	wlm 2013-uk	commons, meta, wm & wp	All except gom-latn	GB	2013-09-21 01:20	2013-09-30 22:49	normal
oct#1	(AGAIN)	(AGAIN)	Temporary blank balancer	All	All except gom-latn	All	2013-09-15 14:00	2013-10-05 15:00	normal
oct#2	(lazy)	(lazy)	FDCpropreview20133UK	All	All except gom-latn	GB	2013-10-29 02:38	2013-10-31 23:00	normal
oct#3	(lazy)	(lazy)	FDCreview2013-3	All	All except gom-latn	All	2013-10-29 03:27	2013-10-31 23:00	normal
nov#1	Help shape new policy for these logos and other Wikimedia trademarks. gif	trademarkpolicyA	Trademark policy discussion	All	All	All	2013-11-19 00:00	2013-11-21 23:59	normal

I am also imagining that there would be a handwaving mechanism to show approximately what percentage of readers/anonEditors/uidEditors/admins would see each message, and how many times, and other such stuff. But the basic idea is to have a here-is-the-spam-you-missed page, and for that, text1 is the crucial part. Note also that I'd like the fields to be boolean (or at least multi-select), so that one can see lang=en&&fr rather than lang=en||fr should that be desired. Does my goal make sense? For personal use, obviously, though methinks it might also be a good js-gadget or talkpage-URL to improve the experience of anons in general. 74.192.84.101 19:46, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

This does make sense. I'll try to write a script to do this, but maybe it should be part of the extension. Is CentralNotice/Calendar at all helpful (I know it cannot be filtered)? PiRSquared17 (talk) 22:09, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Well, you mentioning it was infinitely helpful, in the sense that I didn't know until now it was used for *important* stuff like trademark-policy-discussion-announcements.  :-)   As far as I knew, it was just for the annual money-begging-adverts. And it's a few clicks, but I'm perfectly capable of drilling down to figure out what text1 is, and picking out the English-banners from the others. Thanks for helping me, appreciate it. That said, the point of scripting it is to make it easier on anons besides myself, though of course it will also be easier for myself, too. (I'm also interested in writing up a watchlist for anons.) I don't might writing the code, but if you can point me in the right direction I'll get there faster. *Is* it possible with the API, or does it require screen-scraping slash raw-RDBMS-access? 74.192.84.101 23:54, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Do you want to code it? I already started. You don't need anything other than access to the API, afaik. PiRSquared17 (talk) 03:31, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

I have some other wiki-coding projects on the todo-list, but this one seems an easy starter-project for me. You can go for it, of course, since it may only take you an hour to code, test, document, et al -- and others may find it useful besides myself. Just don't tell me your answer yet.  :-)   My API-fu with mediawiki is weak, so no doubt it will take me longer, and may require hints, but I'll still try to make my own flavor mostly on my own (and then improve it to be closer to yours as a learning opportunity). What API call will "drill down", after my initial grab of the JSON centralNotice-calendar? Is there a getChildItem(targetChild == 'trademarkPolicyA', parentEntity == 'CentralNotice/Calendar') ? 74.192.84.101 03:55, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for the delayed response -- I've been a bit busy this week. I already have some working JS to do this, but as you wish I will not release it. ;) Can you explain what you are trying to do exactly? When you say parentEntity == 'CentralNotice/Calendar', do you mean you are trying to parse CentralNotice/Calendar? That might be a bit harder than just using this API feature. If you use that API thing, you could just do

var api = new mw.Api();
api.get({
    action: 'centralnoticeallocations',
    format: 'json', // or XML, if you find that easier. But JSON is better for this.
    project: 'wikipedia',
    country: 'US',
    anonymous: 'true', // or false
    language: 'en'
})
.done(function (data) {
    var table = $('<table>');
    $.each(data.centralnoticeallocations.banners, function(x) {
        var tr = $('<tr>');
        // Exercise for reader: add td's for each thing you are interested in
        // Append tr to table!
     });
     // Add table to body or something!
} )
.fail( function ( error ) {
        console.log( 'API failed :(', error );
} );

74, I also found a way for you to get CNs as though you were logged in (using Greasemonkey on all Wikimedia projects).

function loadRegBanner() {
			var RAND_MAX = 30;
			var bannerDispatchQuery = {
				uselang: mw.config.get( 'wgUserLanguage' ),
				sitename: mw.config.get( 'wgSiteName' ),
				project: mw.config.get( 'wgNoticeProject' ),
				anonymous: false,
				bucket: mw.centralNotice.data.bucket,
				country: mw.centralNotice.data.country,
				device: mw.centralNotice.data.device,
				slot: Math.floor( Math.random() * RAND_MAX ) + 1
			};
			var scriptUrl = mw.config.get( 'wgCentralBannerDispatcher' ) + '?' + $.param( bannerDispatchQuery );

			$.ajax({
				url: scriptUrl,
				dataType: 'script',
				cache: true
			});
}
setTimeout(function(){
	$('#centralNotice').empty();
	loadRegBanner();
}, 1000);

(can we unindent this discussion?) PiRSquared17 (talk) 04:54, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

I'll reply later to all these comments. PiRSquared17 (talk) 05:04, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Community logo

See, this is what trademarking of logos results in: taking more and more freedom away from us, the community. Perhaps you can voice your opinion here or here before the Foundation takes further action, as announced in this blog post. odder (talk) 11:10, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Can you explain this in 250 words or less? I know my own ability to explain tersely is limited, but I sometimes demand more of others, or at least, challenge them to strive for excellence.  :-)   I read through the volumnious links, and at the end of the day was not sure which was the better pathway. If the WMF trademarks it, we get the stuff in the draft-trademark-paper, right, with banning on even the smallest wiki equivalent to surrendering the right to use the rgb-deathstar-logo? Whereas if the WMF abandons the trademark of the logo, it becomes kinda-sorta like the "Linux" wordmark, with almost no restrictions? 74.192.84.101 23:57, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Elsewhere, PiRsquared wrote: "The Community logo is just that -- the community logo. Not the WMF logo."    Brain... not... understanding..... There is a little green globe,[42] with a red 120-degree arc to the north, and two blue arcs to the southeast and southwest. Right or wrong, *that* is the community logo, invented in 2006 by WarX-aka-Artur, placed into the public domain with respect to copyright, and then later (not sure when) 'adopted' as the meta.wikipedia.org logo, and then recently 2012-n-2013 put under trademark-law-protection by WMF? ...some would say trademark protection-racket? Or am I just totally off my rocker?

  I do realize there is also a stick-figure-in-a-circle "main" WMF logo.[43] But just like enWiki and the puzzle-globe-logo, which is a "WMF logo" in the sense it is *trademarked* by the WMF, is not the community logo now also being (or attempting-to-being pardon the grammar) trademarked by the WMF for much the same legal reasons? Danke. 74.192.84.101 03:45, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm not sure what's better either, but I'd like to see some logo that can be used for anything, not just WMF®-approved WIKILICENSE™ uses. The community logo was originally created so that there would be a logo with no restrictions, but now the WMF is (legally) trademarking it. I won't be upset either way. Really, what's so bad about someone using the community logo who has under n edits? It's not a well-known logo outside our community anyway. PiRSquared17 (talk) 03:50, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Chabi1

I am trying to help the Wikipedias in African languages. However, I don't spaek any of those languages and that's is why I'm just helping with templates and categories. I believe that Wikipedia is a great project that can help to spread knowledge and this it's helpful to people in Africa. --Chabi1 (talk) 17:04, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Beginning of MassMessage, end of EdwardsBot

Hi. You're being contacted as you're listed as an EdwardsBot user.

MassMessage has been deployed to all Wikimedia wikis. For help using the new tool, please check out its help page or drop a note on Meta-Wiki.

With over 400,000 edits to Wikimedia wikis, EdwardsBot has served us well; however EdwardsBot will no longer perform local or global message delivery after December 31, 2013.

A huge thanks to Legoktm, Reedy, Aaron Schulz and everyone else who helped to get MassMessage deployed. --MZMcBride (talk) 02:36, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! PiRSquared17 (talk) 02:40, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Tool request!

Hey, I was wondering if you could replicate your tool which monitors cvn-sw for wikidata. One of the common concerns from admins is the difficulty of finding edits - perhaps that could help? Thanks, Ajraddatz (Talk) 17:34, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

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Template:InterProject

Hi! Please, can you help me with Template:InterProject? (see Template talk:InterProject). Thank you! --FRacco (talk) 03:49, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Done PiRSquared17 (talk) 03:51, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Eccellente! Please, can you create also: MediaWiki:Sisterprojects-links-title

Links to other Wikimedia projects

and MediaWiki:Sisterprojects-links-title/it

Collegamenti agli altri progetti Wikimedia

Thanks again! --FRacco (talk) 04:02, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Done, sorry for not noticing sooner. (I was busy on another wiki.) PiRSquared17 (talk) 04:14, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

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RE:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Blog/Drafts/Opinions_on_the_most_advanced_wikis --Goldenburg111 (talk) 20:40, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Re: ang from "Eald Englisc" to "Ænglisc"

Done. You can still edit the /temp page and all. The Lua module doesn't generate HTML yet, it just parses it and tells us if there are issues. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 20:56, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

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interesting

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Mitch_Ames - the summary of deletion is intriguing - the actual user i know in real life, and have interacted on wp en with quite a bit, yet the summary of deletion seems odd. sats (talk) 15:53, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

@SatuSuro: It wasn't created by the user. :-) It was created by an anonymous spambot with content like "Best Winter Sports Free Bet | Winter Sports online Bookies | Winter Sports Online Free Bets [...]". Don't worry, the user is not responsible for this and their edits look great. PiRSquared17 (talk) 15:58, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

I am perpetually curious what motivates spambots to choose the pages they do... Ajraddatz (Talk) 16:01, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Please do not take me as interfering a discussion, the motivation for Spambots are: It's just for fun, or computer code. It's a mystery. --Golden_burg111 22:08, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

And, obviously, for monetary gain: spambots think(they are self-aware???) spambot-operators think that they are attracting potential customers to their site/business. PiRSquared17 (talk) 02:05, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

Did you get my message? Talkback --Golden_burg111 22:06, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Your patch for bug #56634

Just so you know… the discussion is now stuck, unless you can submit the patch for review in Gerrit. I posted comment 18 because I was surprised that you submitted the patch to Bugzilla, and because I was, at that time, thinking that comment 16 referred to the need of adding general aliases in MessagesAng.php. Hope this clears up the confusion a bit, and thanks for submitting the patch! :-) odder (talk) 13:38, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

@Odder: I don't know how to use gerrit, git, diff, patching, etc. Can't the file just be added to the directory? I'm not a professional programmer, so I don't even know how to install git... (I've been trying for months to figure out how to submit a patch to gerrit. Even the patch submission on toollabs is too hard for me to use... is there a version of this for technically illiterate people like me?)PiRSquared17 (talk) 15:12, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I believe I could just commit it for you, but that would be like giving you a fish instead of teaching you how to catch one :-) There is a git tutorial on MediaWiki.org, as well as a getting started page. If you'd be willing to spend some time on learning git, I could provide you with all the needed help on IRC, and we could go through the tutorial step-by-step together. (That's how I got involved, too, though admittedly I had some previous experience in SVN.) odder (talk) 15:29, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Do you have to use the command-line? PiRSquared17 (talk) 16:02, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

In general, yes, unless you want to submit stuff through github with SuchABot, but that's limited to a few chosen repositories (operations/mediawiki-config and core are not part of this yet). odder (talk) 16:23, 4 December 2013 (UTC)