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== Introducing Edit Patrol: Assisting Rollbackers on the Wikipedia Android App == |
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The Mobile Apps team has recently released a new feature in the Android app to assist rollbackers in patrolling from their mobile device without leaving the Android app. Edit Patrol is a suggested edit that allows users with rollback rights to view the recent changes feed, with access to undo, rollback, thank, and post talk page messages. |
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== SRG archives == |
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The current SRG archive is >600 kB and over 1000 threads long. Time to set up by-week archives? <span style="display:inline-block;text-align:center;vertical-align:bottom;line-height:0.5em;">~~<nowiki/>~~<br/><span style="font-size:0.7em;">[[User:1234qwer1234qwer4]] ([[User talk:1234qwer1234qwer4|talk]])</span></span> 10:29, 28 July 2021 (UTC) |
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: Restoring; not sure why this got archived without any reply. Can we please do something about this? <span style="display:inline-block;text-align:center;vertical-align:bottom;line-height:0.5em;">~~<nowiki/>~~<br/><span style="font-size:0.7em;">[[User:1234qwer1234qwer4]] ([[User talk:1234qwer1234qwer4|talk]])</span></span> 11:17, 17 September 2021 (UTC) |
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:Probably, yes. [[User:Ruslik0|Ruslik]] ([[User talk:Ruslik0|talk]]) 13:16, 17 September 2021 (UTC) |
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:@[[User:1234qwer1234qwer4|1234qwer1234qwer4]] I'd agree with weekly archives. I'm not sure if @[[User:جار الله|جار الله]]'s @[[User:JarBot|JarBot]] supports that though. Could that be clarified, please? Best, [[User:Martin Urbanec|Martin Urbanec]] ([[User talk:Martin Urbanec|talk]]) 22:20, 2 October 2021 (UTC) |
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::Hi {{ping|Martin Urbanec}} I will schedule the bot to archives SRG page weekly. It may take several days before scheduling the task. Best>--[[User:جار الله|جار الله]] ([[User talk:جار الله|talk]]) 00:04, 3 October 2021 (UTC) |
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::: That would mean changing the naming scheme in the middle of the year, right? What do we do with pages like [[Steward requests/Global/2021-10]]? <span style="display:inline-block;text-align:center;vertical-align:bottom;line-height:0.5em;">~~<nowiki/>~~<br/><span style="font-size:0.7em;">[[User:1234qwer1234qwer4]] ([[User talk:1234qwer1234qwer4|talk]])</span></span> 10:55, 3 October 2021 (UTC) |
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:::@[[User:جار الله|جار الله]] I'm not 100% sure we understood each other well -- the intention is to have one archive page per week (instead of current per month). Would that be possible? |
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:::@[[User:1234qwer1234qwer4|1234qwer1234qwer4]] It's first week of October, so I'd just move that to the archive page for first week of October. [[User:Martin Urbanec|Martin Urbanec]] ([[User talk:Martin Urbanec|talk]]) 17:48, 3 October 2021 (UTC) |
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:::: The problem is that a month does not have exactly four weeks. It would make more sense to name the archives by calendar week. <span style="display:inline-block;text-align:center;vertical-align:bottom;line-height:0.5em;">~~<nowiki/>~~<br/><span style="font-size:0.7em;">[[User:1234qwer1234qwer4]] ([[User talk:1234qwer1234qwer4|talk]])</span></span> 17:57, 3 October 2021 (UTC) |
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:::::{{ping|Martin Urbanec}} I understand you now, you want to make archive pages archive according to weeks of the year instead of months, yes this is possible. Such as [[Steward requests/Global/2021-w50]], [[Steward requests/Global/2021-w51]] and so on.--[[User:جار الله|جار الله]] ([[User talk:جار الله|talk]]) 19:18, 3 October 2021 (UTC) |
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::::::{{re|1234qwer1234qwer4|Ruslik0|Martin Urbanec|جار الله}} We now have [[Steward requests/Global/2021-w41]], but the header says "This is a discussion archive first created on Error: Invalid time.," can we get [[Template:Archive header]] modified to reflect the new naming? -- <span style="font-size:115%;background:#FFA">[[User:Jeff G.|Jeff G. ツ]]</span> (please [[Template:Ping|ping]] or [[User:Jeff G./talk|talk to me]]) 23:32, 17 October 2021 (UTC) |
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The feature is currently available on Indonesian, French, and Spanish Wikipedia. We hope to make it available to English Wikipedia rollbackers in the coming month. |
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== What is "lock evasion"? == |
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You can learn more about the feature and its development on our [[mw:Wikimedia_Apps/Team/Android/Anti_Vandalism#|project page]]. Edit Patrol does not intend to replace existing patrolling tools, rather fill some gaps that have been highlighted in the mobile space. Prior to writing a single line of code, the team conducted interviews with patrollers and conducted a comparative review of existing patrolling tools. Throughout development, we have continued to incorporate feedback from members of the community. We prioritized collaboration with communities that have traditionally had difficulty utilizing existing tools, specifically folks using mobile devices. |
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[[Lock evasion]] is a redlink but it's used as a rationale for locks occasionally. At [[Global locks]] it says that evasion of a ''global ban'' is reason for a lock, but not 'evading' a "global lock". A specific context is [[Steward_requests/Global/2021-05#Global_lock_for_Kashmorwiki]] where I asked this question before {{u|AmandaNP}} locked the account and neither the blocking admin or locking steward answered the question. That editor wasn't being disruptive at all, so the {{tq|and are actively vandalizing now or obviously are otherwise being disruptive on multiple wikis are candidates for a global lock}} criteria was obviously not met. I saw some more "lock evasion" locks (by Amanda, but I'm guessing other stewards do these too) on my watchlist so posing the question now. [[User:ProcrastinatingReader|ProcrastinatingReader]] ([[User talk:ProcrastinatingReader|talk]]) 09:34, 30 September 2021 (UTC) |
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:ProcrastinatingReader really? Lock evasion is synonymous to block evasion. Does everything need to be minutely defined? If someone has their account locked, you think that we should gives them a free pass to continue editing with a sockpuppet? That is naive. It is up to the steward's judgment to what they do with the sockpuppet accounts and that seems reasonable. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''<span style="font-size:smaller">[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]</span>'' 11:22, 30 September 2021 (UTC) |
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::I will also note that the section you are referencing is the "making requests" section, and is not meant to limit a steward's action. That section would not necessarily mention user unidentified lock evasion, as that is typically only evident from checkuser data. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''<span style="font-size:smaller">[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]</span>'' 12:24, 30 September 2021 (UTC) |
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::Completely serious, yeah. The guidance talks about global ban evasion, it seems like it would talk about lock evasion if it meant to talk about lock evasion. Then you get circular issues, as in that case, where local projects won’t consider an unblock due to ‘lock evasion’ and stewards won’t unlock because a local project hasn’t unblocked the editor. [[User:ProcrastinatingReader|ProcrastinatingReader]] ([[User talk:ProcrastinatingReader|talk]]) 15:04, 1 October 2021 (UTC) |
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:::You're missing the point. That list is guidance for when someone can request a lock. That's it. It is not there to give guidance to stewards.<p>Stewards are locking vandals, and problematic editors, and doing it upon request or through some of their CU checks of problematic xwiki accounts. If they are finding sockpuppets, they are sockpuppets, and they are making the assessment of what to do. At a local wiki there should be no need to block a locked account, and if it is blocked first then so be it. Stewards would not typically be pursuing a user only at one wiki. The cases like you mention are very rare, and those users can email stewards. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''<span style="font-size:smaller">[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]</span>'' 16:26, 1 October 2021 (UTC) |
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::::If I remember correctly, the editor in question said they emailed stewards multiple times and didn’t get an answer. It’s quite literally limbo. [[User:ProcrastinatingReader|ProcrastinatingReader]] ([[User talk:ProcrastinatingReader|talk]]) 22:29, 1 October 2021 (UTC) |
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:::::If you have concerns about how stewards are managing their mail queue, probably better that as a straight request and conversation, rather than a surrogate argument. Stewards should answer reasonable questions about their processes, and should be able to summarily tell the community about the state of their mail queue. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''<span style="font-size:smaller">[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]</span>'' 23:40, 1 October 2021 (UTC) |
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::::::My own straight request here was to see how these locks work, since (as I said before) it seems like these just put editors into limbo. I posed a specific question before (which I thought was quite reasonable) at the link I gave but Amanda silently locked without answering it. So I'd like an answer to that, ideally by a steward. [[User:ProcrastinatingReader|ProcrastinatingReader]] ([[User talk:ProcrastinatingReader|talk]]) 14:27, 2 October 2021 (UTC) |
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:::::::Hello @[[User:ProcrastinatingReader|ProcrastinatingReader]], a steward speaking. Thanks for your question – I'm trying to answer it below. Please note I'm not @[[User:AmandaNP|AmandaNP]], and I can't speak on her behalf – everything I say here is my own interpretation of the facts. |
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:::::::As far as I can see, the reason for the Kashmorwiki lock is simple: the CU block by @[[User:Mz7|Mz7]] shows English Wikipedia (as a project) considers the reincarnation as a disruptive one. Since the user previously contributed as Shahoodu, which is ''also'' locked (by myself), and is not active elsewhere, it's enough to justify a lock (in addition to that, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Kashmorwiki#Break] is also an interesting summary of the user's history). |
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:::::::For an appeal, ''personally'', I do unlock accounts when a local appeals procedure was successful (especially on big established wikis, like English Wikipedia); [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User%3ASalamaashu&type=block] is an example of a previous case of a CU block+lock. I generally refer users to pursue local appeal first if possible -- that's because locals usually know the appellant better than the locking steward. |
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:::::::I think English Wikipedia should feel free to resolve the appeal as it wishes to -- if the block is removed, the account will very likely be unlocked (unless @[[User:AmandaNP|AmandaNP]] knows something that I was unable to find even after thorough review). If on-wiki access is required for the appeal procedure (ie. if off-wiki process, like UTRS and/or AC, is not acceptable for some reason), I can imagine unlocking the account temporarily solely for the purposes of the appeal. |
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:::::::For the email queue, unfortunately, it's currently filled with a lot of mails (nearly a thousand of them) {{smile|:(}}. We're aware of the problem, unfortunately, it takes some time to process them all, and we're all hard-working volunteers {{smile}}. I'll find an email from Kashmorwiki and reply to them later today. |
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:::::::I hope this all makes sense. Let me know if you have any other questions. Best, [[User:Martin Urbanec|Martin Urbanec]] ([[User talk:Martin Urbanec|talk]]) 22:18, 2 October 2021 (UTC) |
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::::::::Probably worth considering less hard blocking so many ranges and doing so so often with the only means of contact being email. That you have 1000 email sounds like you have an upstream problem that needs addressing. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''<span style="font-size:smaller">[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]</span>'' 06:37, 4 October 2021 (UTC) |
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:::::::::@[[User:Billinghurst|Billinghurst]] We're aware of that issue, and discussing potential solutions internally (one of the options is using a better-scaling unblock system), but so far, no decision has been made. [[User:Martin Urbanec|Martin Urbanec]] ([[User talk:Martin Urbanec|talk]]) 08:41, 4 October 2021 (UTC) |
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::::::::::¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I am reflecting, not criticising. I am just reporting what I am seeing when attending to local block requests that are global requests, and the number of hard hard hard blocks that I am seeing, and comparing it to my time with that button. There are positive and negative consequences for actions and inactions. I would say that while looser restrictions let through some more spam or more LTAs, it also blocks less valid users, and there is a larger volunteer pool to manage these issues. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''<span style="font-size:smaller">[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]</span>'' 11:09, 4 October 2021 (UTC) |
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::::::::Thanks Martin. I don't believe the editor was blocked for disruption. IIRC they had an entirely productive 6 month (undiscovered socking) tenure, and were blocked due to a violation of the socking policy since they had an active block on an old account. That's a problem the enwiki community should deal with, but the focus here (from my perspective) is the unblock appeal and then the global lock by Amanda. |
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::::::::The unblock appeal was declined for two reasons: 1) global lock evasion; 2) (allegedly) lying about not being related to a specific sockpuppet account. The appeal was declined by a non-CU, and multiple CUs said the alleged account was unrelated, so I think it's safe to ignore 2. 1 creates a bit of a catch-22. I mean [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki_talk:Centralauth-admin-status-reasons&diff=prev&oldid=19927552 here] is a comment by another steward saying {{tq|There is no such thing as lock evasion.}} To the extent the purpose of locks is to prevent disruption, it's very hard to argue that this account (regardless of whether it should be unblocked on the enwiki project) was actually disrupting the Wikimedia projects. |
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::::::::That aside, how do you suggest an editor in that situation resolve their situation? If the stewards can't deal with the mail queues, and local projects won't consider appeals from glocked editors, and stewards don't unlock accounts unless a local project says it is willing to consider an appeal, are you saying there needs to be a consensus at [[en:AN]] or something saying "we will hear an appeal from X editor" before stewards will unlock, and then the editor can appeal, and then they can potentially be unblocked? (I suppose en has UTRS which you might accept, but say for non-UTRS projects). [[User:ProcrastinatingReader|ProcrastinatingReader]] ([[User talk:ProcrastinatingReader|talk]]) 08:55, 8 October 2021 (UTC) |
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:::::::::I am quite sure that it is not true that "local projects won't consider appeals from glocked editors". The practice that I have seen, at least on enwiki, is that, if an editor is glocked, they may appeal their block via UTRS, and if a local sysop wants to reinstate TPA, or unblock, the sysop may mail a steward, who unlocks the account as per the request. ''[[User:JavaHurricane| <span style = "color:green">Java</span>]][[User talk:JavaHurricane|<span style = "color:red">Hurricane</span>]]'' 09:03, 8 October 2021 (UTC) |
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::::::::::And for other projects: if I recall correctly, most wikis of at least medium size have a mailing list set aside for unblocks, which basically functions like a UTRS. ''[[User:JavaHurricane| <span style = "color:green">Java</span>]][[User talk:JavaHurricane|<span style = "color:red">Hurricane</span>]]'' 09:13, 8 October 2021 (UTC) |
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::Independent from the above discussion about this specific issue, Meta-Wiki really lacks a lot of the definition-related policy and guideline pages that content wikis have, both in terms of local and global actions. We have no specific policies for a majority of actions admins make, and a decent amount of actions that stewards make. It's been something I've been thinking about proposing, specifically for Meta-Wiki local policies (blocking policy, socking policy, rules for editing pages officially organized/affiliated, an actual admin removal policy that isn't just for inactivity, etc.), but that would require significant global community input and a lot of individual work to organize it. I suppose we could make a list of common but officially undefined terms, making sure to note it as a non-policy/guideline essay, to help users unfamiliar with Meta and steward work get along better. Best regards, and happy editing, [[User:Vermont|Vermont]] ([[User talk:Vermont|talk]]) 17:44, 8 October 2021 (UTC) |
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:::I'll be happy to assist if needed @[[User:Vermont|Vermont]]. [[User:Camouflaged Mirage|Camouflaged Mirage]] ([[User talk:Camouflaged Mirage|talk]]) 12:16, 11 October 2021 (UTC) |
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::::[[Global locks]] needs a fundamental rewrite and there are not many user clear about the proper relationship between local block and global lock. Unfortuanely even I collected a number of cases that global locks may be doubtful, I still have no idea how a formal lock policy should be.--[[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|talk]]) 11:32, 14 October 2021 (UTC) |
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:::::I don't think we need a global lock policy but yes, I agree the relationship between global lock and local blocks needs to be clearer. [[User:Camouflaged Mirage|Camouflaged Mirage]] ([[User talk:Camouflaged Mirage|talk]]) 09:49, 15 October 2021 (UTC) |
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: <small>Lock evasion? <s>[[MediaWiki talk:Centralauth-admin-status-reasons#Add proposed reason for global locking|{{tq|There is no such thing as lock evasion.}}]]</s> <span style="display:inline-block;text-align:center;vertical-align:bottom;line-height:0.5em;">~~<nowiki/>~~<br/><span style="font-size:0.7em;">[[User:1234qwer1234qwer4]] ([[User talk:1234qwer1234qwer4|talk]])</span></span> 17:24, 14 October 2021 (UTC)</small> |
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After initial release, we heard requests to add access to user talk warning templates in the talk page message flow. Users are now able to search and use user talk warning templates as part of the tool. For languages that do not have user warning templates, the team reviewed messages across languages & created 10 example messages that will be preloaded into the app: you can learn more about those messages and leave feedback [[mw:Wikimedia_Apps/Team/Android/Anti_Vandalism/Saved_Messages|here]]. |
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== Looking for Scrutineers == |
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The feature currently allows users to view the feed of recent edits for only one language wiki at a time (the primary language set in their app), but we are interested to hear if there is a preference from multi-wiki rollbackers to have the ability of patrolling multiple languages in a single feed. |
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It's that time of the year again and the Electoral Commissioners are looking for 3 brave victims to serve as Scrutineers for the English Wikipedia Arbitration Committee Elections. Do I have any takers? Please specify if you would prefer to be a primary Scrutineer, or a reserve scrutineer. —[[:en:User:Cyberpower678|'''<span style="color:darkgrey;font-family:monospace">CYBERPOWER</span>''']] <span style="font-family:Rockwell">([[:en:User talk:Cyberpower678|<span style="color:red">Chat</span>]])</span> 00:43, 18 October 2021 (UTC) |
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Please check out [[c:File:Edit_Patrol_Presentation_&_Demo.pdf|this presentation]] with more information, and a [[c:File:Edit_Patrol_V2_Demo.webm|demonstration]] of the feature to learn more. If you have any questions or feedback, we welcome it on the project’s [https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Wikimedia_Apps/Team/Android/Anti_Vandalism/Saved_Messages&action=edit&redlink=1 discussion page], or please attend our open '''demonstration hours for this feature on [https://meet.google.com/ctv-ifkc-btn?authuser=0 Google Meet] on the 26th of April 2024 at 18 UTC (You can determine the right time in your time zone [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1714154400 using a time zone converter tool]).''' |
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:@[[User:Cyberpower678|Cyberpower678]] Count me in :). [[User:Martin Urbanec|Martin Urbanec]] ([[User talk:Martin Urbanec|talk]]) 08:55, 18 October 2021 (UTC) |
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: I'm not brave, but you can use me where you need me O_o --[[User:Sotiale|Sotiale]] ([[User talk:Sotiale|talk]]) 11:28, 18 October 2021 (UTC) |
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:I can be a reserve scrutineer, since I was one last year and enwiki prefers if it's not the same every year. —'''''<span style="font-family:Candara">[[User:Tks4Fish|<span style="color:black">Thanks for the fish!</span>]] <sup>[[User Talk:Tks4Fish|<span style="color:blue">talk</span>]]•[[Special:Contribs/Tks4Fish|contribs]]</sup></span>''''' 22:58, 18 October 2021 (UTC) |
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::Of course, I'm also happy to step out for another steward to do the job instead, as I also was a scrutineer last year. [[User:Martin Urbanec|Martin Urbanec]] ([[User talk:Martin Urbanec|talk]]) 23:57, 18 October 2021 (UTC) |
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*As it stands now, the scrutineers will be {{u|Martin Urbanec}}, {{u|Sotiale}}, and {{u|Tks4Fish}}. Any more takers?—[[:en:User:Cyberpower678|'''<span style="color:darkgrey;font-family:monospace">CYBERPOWER</span>''']] <span style="font-family:Rockwell">([[:en:User talk:Cyberpower678|<span style="color:red">Chat</span>]])</span> 01:40, 20 October 2021 (UTC) |
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::I can serve as reserve - not the main. I dunno what's gonna happen IRL later this year, so I'd rather not be the main one (Sorry Tks4Fish!). I can probably accommodate if there is no other option though. — regards, [[User:-revi|<span style="color:green;font-family:Courier new, serif;font-variant:small-caps">Revi</span>]] 21:47, 20 October 2021 (UTC) |
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*{{ping|-revi|Tks4Fish}} if you now any stewards that would be interested in volunteering, please point them here. :-)—[[:en:User:Cyberpower678|'''<span style="color:darkgrey;font-family:monospace">CYBERPOWER</span>''']] <span style="font-family:Rockwell">([[:en:User talk:Cyberpower678|<span style="color:red">Chat</span>]])</span> 14:10, 27 October 2021 (UTC) |
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::You know, enwiki ACE scrutineer-ing is not a pleasant job (We all know that, I think?) and since this has been on the radar for +10 days, those who are interested already volunteered to enter, I'd like to assume. — regards, [[User:-revi|<span style="color:green;font-family:Courier new, serif;font-variant:small-caps">Revi</span>]] 00:04, 29 October 2021 (UTC) |
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:::I know how unpleasant it is and I know that it's likely those that offered are the only candidates willing to volunteer. Just want to make sure we have our bases covered in terms of available scrutineers. I'll go and update the enwiki page with the appointed scrutineers. —[[:en:User:Cyberpower678|'''<span style="color:darkgrey;font-family:monospace">CYBERPOWER</span>''']] <span style="font-family:Rockwell">([[:en:User talk:Cyberpower678|<span style="color:red">Chat</span>]])</span> 00:18, 29 October 2021 (UTC) |
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:Thank you to those scrutineers who are willing to spend time doing this. It's a very behind the scenes job that I know is difficult. It is appreciated. Best, [[User:Barkeep49|Barkeep49]] ([[User talk:Barkeep49|talk]]) 00:26, 29 October 2021 (UTC) |
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Looking forward to see you all. |
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== Effect of Apple’s iCloud Private Relay == |
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--[[User:ARamadan-WMF|ARamadan-WMF]] ([[User talk:ARamadan-WMF|talk]]) 12:47, 3 April 2024 (UTC) |
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Hello! |
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[[File:Gnome-stock person IP obscured.svg|100px|right]] |
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Communities typically block edits from IP addresses that obscure individual users. Usually, it has been about “[[:w:en:Open_proxy|open proxies]]” or [[:w:en:Virtual_private_network|virtual private networks]] (VPNs). Now, there's a new [[:w:en:Apple_Inc.|Apple]] service called [[:w:en:ICloud#Private_Relay|iCloud Private Relay]] that obscures the IP addresses of desktop and mobile users of the Safari browser. |
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:Happening in 10 minutes, join us :) |
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As Apple users adopt this new service, we estimate that 3-5% of all logged-in and logged-out editors will have these obscured IP addresses. If we don't change anything, they may be blocked within a few months. This wiki may be severely affected. A lot of people editing here use the Safari browser. Next, other browser providers may do the same. The problem will grow. |
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:--[[User:ARamadan-WMF|ARamadan-WMF]] ([[User talk:ARamadan-WMF|talk]]) 17:51, 26 April 2024 (UTC) |
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== Hacked Account == |
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The communities, users with [[Special:ListGroupRights|advanced MediaWiki permissions]], the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation|Wikimedia Foundation]] and others need to work together. We all need to decide how the security of the wikis can be maintained. At the same time, the pathways to editing should remain open for all good-faith participants. |
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[[User:Robertjamal12|Robertjamal12]] has been compromised and the email associated with his original account has since been changed. According to him,this incident happened the dawn of May 5, 2024 when he received an email about an attempt to login into his account and the next email was to inform him that the email associated with his account has been changed. The hacked account been editing since and the associated IP address deemed to be located in Canada. We will be glad if you could investigate this account and help with the restoration. |
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'''Read more on [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Apple iCloud Private Relay|Apple iCloud Private Relay]].''' Answer the questions and comment on its talk page. |
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Best regards [[User:Dnshitobu|Dnshitobu]] ([[User talk:Dnshitobu|talk]]) 16:08, 6 May 2024 (UTC) |
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Thank you! |
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</div> [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 21:34, 18 October 2021 (UTC) |
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:I should point out the relay isn't just restricted to Safari. It's a network wide implementation at the OS level, which means ALL traffic from ALL apps are getting relayed. I disabled mine for my home network as I think it's unnecessary but most Apple users will not be aware of it. Given how many people use Apple products on Wikipedia, I think your underestimating the number of users getting impacted by this. —[[:en:User:Cyberpower678|'''<span style="color:darkgrey;font-family:monospace">CYBERPOWER</span>''']] <span style="font-family:Rockwell">([[:en:User talk:Cyberpower678|<span style="color:red">Chat</span>]])</span> 22:22, 18 October 2021 (UTC) |
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::{{u|Cyberpower678}}, really? My understanding was that the relay function ''only'' applied to Safari; announcements have been quite insistent that this is not a VPN, just a web traffic anonymizer. [[User:GeneralNotability|GeneralNotability]] ([[User talk:GeneralNotability|talk]]) 22:23, 18 October 2021 (UTC) |
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:::Maybe I misunderstood the implementation of the relay. I thought it was meant to hide all traffic network wide, not just web activity. —[[:en:User:Cyberpower678|'''<span style="color:darkgrey;font-family:monospace">CYBERPOWER</span>''']] <span style="font-family:Rockwell">([[:en:User talk:Cyberpower678|<span style="color:red">Chat</span>]])</span> 22:24, 18 October 2021 (UTC) |
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:::It is indeed just Safari and only for people who a) pay for an iCloud subscription and b) opt in. [[User:Blablubbs|Blablubbs]] ([[User talk:Blablubbs|talk]]) 22:29, 18 October 2021 (UTC) |
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::::The vast majority of people won't have a clue what this is, and when faced with a question like, "Do you want to turn on safer internet browsing?" will indeed opt in. I mean, who doesn't want safer internet browsing? The IS0 7-layer model isn't gospel, but the transport layer should just be for moving bits from one place to another. If you want to start enforcing access permissions, you need to be doing that somewhere higher in the stack. If you're making application-level decisions based on IP addresses for anything more important than, "Which movie listings should I show the user?", you're doing it wrong. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Help:Signature|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/RoySmith|RoySmith]] ([[User talk:RoySmith#top|talk]]) 22:48, 18 October 2021 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Xsign --> |
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:::::I think we need to distinguish between macOS (where my understanding is that it is just Safari) and iOS (where it might be more since Safari is more deeply integrated into the OS). --'''[[User:Rschen7754|Rs]][[User talk:Rschen7754|chen]][[Special:Contributions/Rschen7754|7754]]''' 04:25, 19 October 2021 (UTC) |
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::::: I'm not sure how criticising Apple's decisions is helpful in this context. <span style="display:inline-block;text-align:center;vertical-align:bottom;line-height:0.5em;">~~<nowiki/>~~<br/><span style="font-size:0.7em;">[[User:1234qwer1234qwer4]] ([[User talk:1234qwer1234qwer4|talk]])</span></span> 20:52, 19 October 2021 (UTC) |
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:To clarify, all iCloud Private Relay IP addresses are already hardblocked, both [[Global blocks|globally]] and on the English Wikipedia, and will continue to be. It's just the use of them that will increase over time. This is a similar problem to the days of web accelerators like [[w:WP:GWE]] and Opera Mini, but at least those have a site-specific opt-out. As of now, iCloud Private Relay is all-or-nothing. [[User:AntiCompositeNumber|AntiCompositeNumber]] ([[User talk:AntiCompositeNumber|talk]]) 23:44, 18 October 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|SGrabarczuk (WMF)}} If I were completely honest, there is a need to talk about this on a more wider scale. Currently we have 280 pending stewards tickets for use of an IP blocked as a proxy. That is an underestimate as only search queries are used to filter that. To me, this is a running problem. We should not have that many tickets pending for just global blocks on proxies. But then again, we also have the blocking of a major Tmobile IPv6 range 2607:fb80/32 both globally and on enwiki. So the amount of exemption requests (for an account or IPBE) for it all together are insane. I was going to bring this up at the next stewards meeting with the WMF (courtesy ping: {{ping|JSutherland (WMF)}}) but this brings up the issue again. Personally I see this as needing a wider discussion on what is and isn't blocked and mitigation methods (like maybe ACC exemptions where an email has to be provided that is removed 7 days after the request to root out LTAs or something). Not a perfect idea, but a start of an idea on what we could do. So I thought I would raise this point and i'm hoping for input from other stewards too. -- [[User talk:AmandaNP|<span style="color:white;background-color:#8A2DB8"><b>Amanda</b></span>]] <small>[[User:AmandaNP|(aka DQ)]]</small> 01:38, 19 October 2021 (UTC) |
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::Thank you for all your comments above. Could I cut them and paste into [[Talk:Apple iCloud Private Relay]]? It might be easier for everyone interested to participate in a centralized discussion. I was thinking of transcluding this section. I'm sure you know the drawbacks of such a solution. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 14:27, 19 October 2021 (UTC) |
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:::I think you would get less participation from moving them over. But you could. Maybe some quotes of things you want to highlight too could help that page. -- [[User talk:AmandaNP|<span style="color:white;background-color:#8A2DB8"><b>Amanda</b></span>]] <small>[[User:AmandaNP|(aka DQ)]]</small> 20:55, 19 October 2021 (UTC) |
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::@[[User:AmandaNP|AmandaNP]], I particularly like the "if I were completely honest" part. Let's be completely honest and go back to your opinion "there is a need to talk about this on a more wider scale" and "what is and isn't blocked and mitigation methods". Would you like to elaborate on that? [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 19:34, 28 October 2021 (UTC) |
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:With that so called 'ip masking' (LOL) I started to believe we should just follow steps with orgs like [https://openstreetmap.org OSM] and require registration to edit. But yeah - we have to deal with the stuff right now - and there should be something done by WMF (because we the Stewards are simply too weak and small in number compared to the malicious party utilizing that proxies so we end up all-or-nothing solution) to help us pinpoint the malicious party, or to deter them utilizing the proxies. (And no, I ain't go to yet another talk page) — regards, [[User:-revi|<span style="color:green;font-family:Courier new, serif;font-variant:small-caps">Revi</span>]] 00:06, 20 October 2021 (UTC) |
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::Alright, you're the hosts here. The more comfortable participation, the better. I've let my colleagues know that there is this discussion. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 00:26, 20 October 2021 (UTC) |
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::: For example, you could start with dealing with [[phab:T243863|T243863: Templates used in global block summaries should only reference Meta templates.]] and it will give a better notification why their contributions are blocked when they are on 1.1.1.1 Warp+, iCloud stuff, Opera Mini, etc etc. — regards, [[User:-revi|<span style="color:green;font-family:Courier new, serif;font-variant:small-caps">Revi</span>]] 22:39, 20 October 2021 (UTC) |
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:I did an investigation but couldn't find anything myself, and they last edited yesterday as far as I can see. If the account is indeed compromised, could you tell them to email Trust & Safety through {{nospam|ca|wikimedia.org}}, to confirm that they do not have access to the account? <b>[[User:EPIC|<span style="color:blue">EPIC</span>]] ([[User talk:EPIC|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]])</b> 16:27, 6 May 2024 (UTC) |
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== Why do I have two different IP addresses? == |
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::Thank you for the review. I have sent him the email. He has sent the email. He said his last edit was [[metawiki:Special:Diff/26727794|this]] but his global contribution is in this [[xtools:globalcontribs/Robertjamal12|link]] [[User:Dnshitobu|Dnshitobu]] ([[User talk:Dnshitobu|talk]]) 17:24, 6 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Great, thank you :) Since the account last edited the English Wikipedia, contacting the checkusers could also be beneficial. Going ahead and doing so. <b>[[User:EPIC|<span style="color:blue">EPIC</span>]] ([[User talk:EPIC|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]])</b> 17:45, 6 May 2024 (UTC) |
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When I go to the [https://en.wikipedia.org English Wikipedia], my IP address is a blocked proxy (18.191.0.0/16), and when I try to say something I don't have tpa because of a global block. However, on every other Wikimedia wiki it's my normal, Floridan IP address. I don't know why that's happening, so can you change the proxy block to anonymous only so I can say the caught by proxy thing. [[User:Blazikeye535|Blazikeye535]] ([[User talk:Blazikeye535|talk]]) 16:32, 22 October 2021 (UTC) |
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:::: I locked the account following consultation with English Wikipedia CheckUsers. — [[User:JJMC89|JJMC89]] <small>([[User talk:JJMC89|T]]'''·'''[[Special:Contributions/JJMC89|C]])</small> 20:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:That sounds like something is wrong on your end. Have you tried editing with other browsers? Or incognito mode? Some extension spoofing IP? It generally doesn't make sense to use AWS IP on enwiki and use broadband IP on other wikis, so sounds like your end. — regards, [[User:-revi|<span style="color:green;font-family:Courier new, serif;font-variant:small-caps">Revi</span>]] 23:33, 22 October 2021 (UTC) |
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:I'm expeiriencing the same problem as well. [[User:Tellslola|Tellslola]] ([[User talk:Tellslola|talk]]) 17:43, 1 November 2021 (UTC) |
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== Update on [[Special:WikiSets/7|Opted-out of global sysop wikis]] == |
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I suggest updating the list as follows. I didn't include wikis that were previously opted-in or opted-out by local community decision according to the log. I've set them according to the List of ... on Meta. Local wikis with more or less than 10 admins may change from time to time if there is no local community decision according to [[Global sysops]] process. |
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Opted-out wikis<br/>shwiki – 12 admins<br/>bewiki – 10 admins<br/>hywiki – 11 admins<br/>uzwiki – 11 admins<br/>astwiki – 10 admins<br/>swwiki – 14 admins ([https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=5374215 this wiki has been removed from the list because it wasn't active before.])<br/>itwikiquote – 11 admins<br/>eswikisource – 10 admins<br/>arwikisource – 10 admins<br/>dewikiversity – 12 admins<br/>dewikivoyage – 13 admins |
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Opted-in wikis<br/>bswiki – 9 admins<br/>skwiki – 9 admins<br/>glwiki - 7 admins<br/>kawiki – 4 admins<br/>lmowiki – 8 admins<br/>dewikibooks – 8 admins<br/>frwikibooks – 7 admins<br/>plwikiquote - 8 admins<br/>cswiktionary – 4 admins |
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Regards. --[[User:Uncitoyen|Uncitoyen]]<sup>[[User talk:Uncitoyen|talk]]</sup> 12:26, 1 November 2021 (UTC) |
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:Do you suggest that we remove the wikis in the first list and add wikis in the second list? [[User:Ruslik0|Ruslik]] ([[User talk:Ruslik0|talk]]) 19:55, 4 November 2021 (UTC) |
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::I suggest add the wikis in the first list to the set, and remove the wikis in the second list from the set. You'd better double-check these wikis to make sure they're not inaccurate in terms of admin numbers or local community decision. --[[User:Uncitoyen|Uncitoyen]]<sup>[[User talk:Uncitoyen|talk]]</sup> 07:49, 5 November 2021 (UTC) |
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:::cswiktionary has opted out per [[Global sysops/Local discussions]]. --'''[[User:Rschen7754|Rs]][[User talk:Rschen7754|chen]][[Special:Contributions/Rschen7754|7754]]''' 18:05, 5 November 2021 (UTC) |
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::::And the policy for opting out should be more than a local discussion, there needs to be some performance criteria and minimum numbers; as similarly there should be automatic points where opt-out ceases. Probably needs a range of minimum and maximums for these to happen. This is a problem that is next cab off the rank for solving after 10+ years deteriorating. We fixed standards for [[AAR]] and this should follow a similar path. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''<span style="font-size:smaller">[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]</span>'' 00:32, 6 November 2021 (UTC) |
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:::::I would definitely support opening a global RfC to better clarify policy on how specific projects can opt in or out of the GS wikiset. [[User:Vermont|Vermont]] ([[User talk:Vermont|talk]]) 01:45, 6 November 2021 (UTC) |
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::::::We need a two-prong strategy: 1) enforce the rules that we already have, which is <10 admins or <3 active admins AND no opt-out. Stewards (admittedly including myself when I was one) were reluctant to enforce the <10 admins part of it, but [[GS]] says they can. 2) open a RFC to address these issues that have come up. What if they opt out but then all the admins go inactive? What if a project hits 0 admins? What sort of consensus (i.e. number of votes) is needed to go one way or the other? --'''[[User:Rschen7754|Rs]][[User talk:Rschen7754|chen]][[Special:Contributions/Rschen7754|7754]]''' 02:05, 6 November 2021 (UTC) |
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:::::::The way that the GS page is written they are separate paragraphs and talk about the operation of the people, and how to remove a wiki. I don't see that there is anything to impose which is why I think we need some criteria at which A) a wiki can consider whether to start an OPT-OUT discussion. Then B) some criteria by which a wiki needs to maintain that OPT-OUT. Now whether A = B or A > B is a matter for such an RFC. Similarly, whether it is automatic fallback when the criteria is passed, or it is something that is checked once a year. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''<span style="font-size:smaller">[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]</span>'' 10:02, 6 November 2021 (UTC) |
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::::::::Per [[GS#Scope]], {{xt|'''By default'', global sysops may use this global user group's permissions on wikis that meet one or both of the following criteria: fewer than ten administrators exist; or fewer than three administrators have made a logged action within the past two months.}} The set is not mentioned here and is only a technical means used to implement this. I don't see any problem with enforcing the criteria, and the fewer than three administrators criterion was enforced multiple times over the last several years. --'''[[User:Rschen7754|Rs]][[User talk:Rschen7754|chen]][[Special:Contributions/Rschen7754|7754]]''' 06:48, 8 November 2021 (UTC) |
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:Do these numbers include temporal admins? [[User:Ruslik0|Ruslik]] ([[User talk:Ruslik0|talk]]) 20:58, 9 November 2021 (UTC) |
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== User:Stephensuleeman, RIP == |
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Our colleague [[User:Stephensuleeman]] has sadly died (reported here: [https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/GEA6C3J5KQA7C5A4HBRQ4VF4RLEOHWAA/]); please lock their user page, etc. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 21:39, 8 November 2021 (UTC) |
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:Already done by Bsadowski1. Rest in peace. [[User:Stanglavine|<span style='font-weight:bold;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#990033;'>stang<i>l</i>avine</span>]][[User talk:Stanglavine|<sup style='font-weight:bold;color:#000;'> msg</sup>]] 00:35, 9 November 2021 (UTC) |
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Introducing Edit Patrol: Assisting Rollbackers on the Wikipedia Android App[edit]
The Mobile Apps team has recently released a new feature in the Android app to assist rollbackers in patrolling from their mobile device without leaving the Android app. Edit Patrol is a suggested edit that allows users with rollback rights to view the recent changes feed, with access to undo, rollback, thank, and post talk page messages.
The feature is currently available on Indonesian, French, and Spanish Wikipedia. We hope to make it available to English Wikipedia rollbackers in the coming month.
You can learn more about the feature and its development on our project page. Edit Patrol does not intend to replace existing patrolling tools, rather fill some gaps that have been highlighted in the mobile space. Prior to writing a single line of code, the team conducted interviews with patrollers and conducted a comparative review of existing patrolling tools. Throughout development, we have continued to incorporate feedback from members of the community. We prioritized collaboration with communities that have traditionally had difficulty utilizing existing tools, specifically folks using mobile devices.
After initial release, we heard requests to add access to user talk warning templates in the talk page message flow. Users are now able to search and use user talk warning templates as part of the tool. For languages that do not have user warning templates, the team reviewed messages across languages & created 10 example messages that will be preloaded into the app: you can learn more about those messages and leave feedback here.
The feature currently allows users to view the feed of recent edits for only one language wiki at a time (the primary language set in their app), but we are interested to hear if there is a preference from multi-wiki rollbackers to have the ability of patrolling multiple languages in a single feed.
Please check out this presentation with more information, and a demonstration of the feature to learn more. If you have any questions or feedback, we welcome it on the project’s discussion page, or please attend our open demonstration hours for this feature on Google Meet on the 26th of April 2024 at 18 UTC (You can determine the right time in your time zone using a time zone converter tool).
Looking forward to see you all.
--ARamadan-WMF (talk) 12:47, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Happening in 10 minutes, join us :)
- --ARamadan-WMF (talk) 17:51, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
Hacked Account[edit]
Robertjamal12 has been compromised and the email associated with his original account has since been changed. According to him,this incident happened the dawn of May 5, 2024 when he received an email about an attempt to login into his account and the next email was to inform him that the email associated with his account has been changed. The hacked account been editing since and the associated IP address deemed to be located in Canada. We will be glad if you could investigate this account and help with the restoration.
Best regards Dnshitobu (talk) 16:08, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- I did an investigation but couldn't find anything myself, and they last edited yesterday as far as I can see. If the account is indeed compromised, could you tell them to email Trust & Safety through ca
wikimedia
org, to confirm that they do not have access to the account? EPIC (talk) 16:27, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the review. I have sent him the email. He has sent the email. He said his last edit was this but his global contribution is in this link Dnshitobu (talk) 17:24, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Great, thank you :) Since the account last edited the English Wikipedia, contacting the checkusers could also be beneficial. Going ahead and doing so. EPIC (talk) 17:45, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- I locked the account following consultation with English Wikipedia CheckUsers. — JJMC89 (T·C) 20:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Great, thank you :) Since the account last edited the English Wikipedia, contacting the checkusers could also be beneficial. Going ahead and doing so. EPIC (talk) 17:45, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the review. I have sent him the email. He has sent the email. He said his last edit was this but his global contribution is in this link Dnshitobu (talk) 17:24, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
