Talk:Learning patterns

There is one pattern to consider: the lean startup business model as a pattern Ad Huikeshoven (talk) 18:47, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not being updated?

Hi, I found that the Grants:Learning patterns page is not being updated with new learning patterns since January 2014. Let us fix this quickly!. --Netha Hussain (talk) 10:30, 2 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Netha Hussain! This is my bad; I'll try to have this fixed by end of day Monday, PDT. Thanks for the nudge :) Cheers, Jmorgan (WMF) (talk) 20:41, 3 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Cool! --Netha Hussain (talk) 16:39, 5 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

GrantsBot

Jonathan: Might we consider stop having GrantsBot constantly reorder learning patterns at Grants:Learning patterns by last edit date? I watch the page as a way to be notified of new learning patterns. The constant reordering is rendering that rather useless. Personally, I would prefer that the patterns just stay alphabetized. What does ordering by last edit date get us? Thanks! Libcub (talk) 23:02, 30 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Lubcub. That's a fair suggestion. There are a couple reasons why I have set GrantsBot to update the ordering the way I have:

refreshing the list on a regular basis (every time a pattern is edited) assures that the profiles (the picture + summary) stay accurate. If someone changes the infobox summary of a pattern, or adds an image, that change will only be reflected in the list when the bot refreshes it. If we refresh the list less often (say, only when a new pattern is created), the content is less likely to be up to date.
ordering the list by edit date showcases the newest patterns (and/or those under active development). If I order them alphabetically, the same patterns will always appear at the top of the list, and newly-created ones will almost always appear below the fold, making them basically impossible to find without consulting the page history. I'd like to avoid that.

I would like to have a standard list of Learning Patterns available as well. Probably using DynamicPageList, like they do in the PEG request list page. BTW, you can also monitor edits to patterns, and the creation of new patterns, using Special:RecentChangesLinked. Have you tried that? I keep this link in my browser bookmarks. Cheers, Jmorgan (WMF) (talk) 23:20, 14 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Recent Changes should work sufficiently well for what I want. Thanks. Libcub (talk) 02:13, 19 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Translations?

Hi, where is the preferred location for translations of these patterns? Local wiki, subpage, some other title? Thanks.--Strainu (talk) 23:15, 14 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Strainu. Are you familiar with how the translation extension works? That's the standard way of translating stuff on Meta. It's a somewhat convoluted process, but the documentation I linked to is pretty good. At least 1 pattern has been marked for translation this way (tho it doesn't look like it has actually been translated yet). You can look at it's markup to get an idea of what to do. Hope that helps, Jmorgan (WMF) (talk) 23:37, 14 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Every learning-pattern title is displayed twice, one after the other

This is a design flaw. How do people want to fix it? Tony (talk) 07:00, 7 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Learning patterns project page

Hi everyone, please go to Grants talk:Learning patterns/Project to discuss the learning patterns project in general. Thank you! --Bgibbs (WMF) (talk) 07:59, 9 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Link to blog post in the intro

Hi! I've become a big fan of the learning pattern library. Now that I understand it, I am referencing it more in my work. I thought those new to the concept might appreciate the option of having further reading. And I knew that, a while back, Jonathan Morgan (WMF) wrote this post for the Wikimedia blog about learning patterns. Hope you don't mind that I added a link to it in the lead of the learning pattern library page. Feel free to revise as you see fit. Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 01:35, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Anna, we're still working on that lead, but I think that looks fine for now. There may be some changes in the next few days or weeks. Thanks! --Bgibbs (WMF) (talk) 19:55, 20 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Good, glad that's on the to-do list and glad that I could help. :) Looking forward to an even awesomer learning pattern library. :) Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 20:21, 20 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Redundancy in lists of patterns

There's search, list, browse, and then a complete list all on the same page. Could we maybe simplify how we're presenting the list of patterns to make it less confusing (subpage prefixes are ugly when displayed in a list)?

This page is also incredibly long. According to Chrome it's 1.7mb in size. Yeesh. Edit: Note, my wiki-fu is not strong enough to figure out what's going on with this particular page. I quickly got lost in the template soup. :( Ckoerner (talk) 16:41, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ckoerner. I agree that the subpage prefixes are ugly. Unfortunately I don't believe Dynamic Pagelist allows one to strip them. Else I would do so. Regarding redundancy: I don't have strong feelings about this, but I don't see how it hurts. "List patterns" shows them A-Z. "Browse patterns" shows them in reverse-chronological order by date of last update. "Search" is probably not necessary, but doesn't seem to detract from anything IMO. Given the number of patterns in the library, multiple wayfinding options are probably useful (tho these may not be the best options). Regarding the length of the page: I agree it's long (there are a lot more learning patterns now than when we started!) If you create a Phabricator task for "reduce the number of patterns visible on Grants:Learning_patterns to speed up load time" or something I will give it a priority and start to think up ways to address the issue. Thanks for the feedback, Jmorgan (WMF) (talk) 17:10, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a way to request a learning pattern?

Is there a way to request a learning pattern? Specifically I'd like some sort of learning pattern around attractive templates to use in projects, possibly with a list of empty templates that could be used with instructions on how to customise them. WMF staff produce a lot of really nice looking templates but I can't work out how to change them into something I would like to use.

Thanks

Mrjohncummings (talk) 13:42, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Mrjohncummings, thanks for reaching out! We only have the Talk Page on the Learning Pattern landing page to request an LP. In toolkits, we use the template {{learning pattern needed}}. Pinging people who you think might be able to help create this Learning Pattern is a good idea when you post the message (either on a relevan toolkit, or on the talk page of LP Library). Hope this helps! María (WMF) (talk) 17:52, 18 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks María (WMF), if you are thinking of having a requests page let me know and I'd be happy to help out. Can you tell me who produces the nice templates for WMF so I can ask them? Mrjohncummings (talk) 10:28, 19 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Certainly, Mrjohncummings, I will let you know, and it definetely sounds like a good idea. What templates for WMF are you referring to? That will help me find the right person (there might be several of us

). María (WMF) (talk) 16:45, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi María (WMF), so I would really love to know how to reuse the good looking templates on the evaluation portal and the PEG grants page (I know I've seen others but can't find them). What I think I would need is scooped out shells of the templates with clear instructions how to add text and images and change the colours and the position on the page to suit my needs. Thanks very much Mrjohncummings (talk) 15:42, 22 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've worked on many of these kinds of templates, including some of the ones you've cited. Unfortunately, I'm not sure I'll have much time in the short term to build a Learning Pattern. And the subject probably deserves multiple patterns, because the nice design of the pages you are referring to involves many different elements beyond the templates: there are wikitables with inline CSS, translation markup, and use of the <gallery> tags for special inline image formatting. On top of that, the templates on that page are built in two entirely different templating languages: 'wikicode' and Lua. For example, the Navbar is built in Lua and the other templates are built in wikicode. Besides Maria and me, others in whom the wikipage-web-design-fu is strong include Heather (WMF), Kaganer, Pcoombe (WMF), Jon Harald Søby, and Halfak (WMF). Cheers, Jmorgan (WMF) (talk) 16:45, 22 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Jmorgan (WMF), well that all sounds very complicated and way beyond my level 1 magic skills, perhaps an answer is to make nice looking tables and templates easier to make through visual editor rather than spending a lot of time trying to explain to people with minimal technical knowledge how to make something. Does this sound plausible? John Cummings (talk) 08:58, 23 September 2015 (UTC) P.s I just changed my username[reply]

John Cummings, my point: Good looking design has never done with a visual editor. It's a dead-end idea :(

If needs "Learning patterns" for creating "Good looking design" for various issues and projects, it would be better to create a special sets of templates and skeletons of pages, for each topic / idea / project type.

--Kaganer (talk) 12:21, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Kaganer, do you know who could do this? Another option would be to have a piece of software that could import a template produced on easy to use tools outside Wikimedia, a similar idea to excel2wiki.net but for nice templates John Cummings (talk) 13:59, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Lots of edits to LP master page

I've cleaned up a lot. Please ensure that the bot doesn't mow it down. Grants:Learning_patterns/All

Thanks. Tony (talk) 08:58, 9 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Tony1, it's literally impossible for me to prevent the bot from overwriting your changes, except by stopping the bot from running on that page completely (which would mean the page is no longer updated when new patterns are created. That's why I put the message at the top. I'm sorry for the wasted work, in future I would be happy to work with you to make the required fixes in a manner that persists. Find me on IRC or follow up on my talkpage if you would like to coordinate such work. Cheers, Jmorgan (WMF) (talk) 16:00, 9 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

About Intro

Dear EGalvez (WMF), please inform us, if Grants:Learning patterns/Intro is ready for starting translation markup. ;) --Kaganer (talk) 12:50, 9 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

And about Template:Learning patterns/Button also. --Kaganer (talk) 12:51, 9 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]