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=Discussion=
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==Thoughts and proposals==
*[[q:en:Wikiquote:Village pump]]
*[[commons:Commons:Village pump]]
*[[n:en:Wikinews:Water cooler]]
*[[s:en:Wikisource:Scriptorium]]
*[[b:en:Wikibooks:Staff lounge]]
*[[wikt:en:Wiktionary:Beer parlour]]
*[[w:en:Wikipedia:Village pump]]
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[[Wikimedia Incubator]] (http://incubator.wikimedia.org/) currently has no real logo; I think we should change that, shouldn't we? —[[User:Nightstallion|<span style="font-variant:small-caps">Nightstallion</span>]] [[User talk:Nightstallion|''(?)'']] 16:45, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
== Request ==
:Suggestion: To go with the name, perhaps an incubator that contains an egg with the Wikimedia logo? --[[User:Gray Porpoise|Gray Porpoise]] 19:52, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I am user [[meta:user:Walter]]. I respectfully request this community to consider my following request; I write a newsletter about what is going on in the Wikimedia projects in all languages. It is my hope that every community, like this one, has some people who read [http://www.wikizine.org Wikizine]. Then I can maybe receive some news from those readers about your project and in the other direction the can inform there community in your own language about the Wikimedia news possibly. I would like to ask this community to include on this page on the top and/or a relevant page a small banner for Wikizine.
::I'm not so sure that Incubator is necessarily the best name either, but it is at least a start. [[Wikikernel]], [[Wikilabs]], and [[Seed wiki]] have also been suggested by previous participants. In all of these, the idea is that this is a "safe" place to do some experimentation with both the MediaWiki software as well as to come up with unique ways of working on content that doesn't fit on the other Wikimedia sister projects. I actually like the Wikilabs name and concept, as a place to encourage experimentation. Perhaps some logo could be developed following that line of thought? --[[User:Roberth|Roberth]] 21:52, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
If a banner is placed here on the correct page the change that someone here will think about Wikizine and report some local news will increase highly I suspect. Or that people will take a look and read the Wikimedia news. And maybe even share it locally.
:::I was under the impression that the board decided to use Incubator and that that was to be its final name? —[[User:Nightstallion|<span style="font-variant:small-caps">Nightstallion</span>]] [[User talk:Nightstallion|''(?)'']] 05:56, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Here are the banners; [[meta:Wikizine/banners]]
My apologies that this is in English and the Wikizine is also in English. But there is not other way to do this. If there are questions please ask it here. I will be watching this page for at least two weeks from now on frequently. Greetings,
::::I called it incubator on a whim, inspired by Apache's [http://incubator.apache.org/ Incubator] projects. No objection on changing it if there's a better name. --[[User:Brion VIBBER|brion]] 03:21, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
== Request ==
I like the mental image of "breeding" projects until they're ready to go public, so I'd advocate leaving the name as "Wikimedia Incubator". Alternately, how about "Wikimedia Hatchery"? ;) —[[User:Nightstallion|<span style="font-variant:small-caps">Nightstallion</span>]] [[User talk:Nightstallion|''(?)'']] 07:05, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I am user [[meta:user:Walter]]. I respectfully request this community to consider my following request; I write a newsletter about what is going on in the Wikimedia projects in all languages. It is my hope that every community, like this one, has some people who read [http://www.wikizine.org Wikizine]. Then I can maybe receive some news from those readers about your project and in the other direction the can inform there community in your own language about the Wikimedia news possibly. I would like to ask this community to include on your local "Village pump" page, community portal or other relevant page a small banner for Wikizine.
==Logo requirements==
I could find your local village pump. This is the reason I have posted this here.
For all logo discussion and submissions, please keep in mind the following requirements:
* All logo submissions must '''not''' be licensed under GFDL but the copyright must be assigned to the Wikimedia Foundation (use <nowiki>{{CopyrightByWikimedia}}</nowiki> for uploads on Commons)
* Logos should be submitted in a vectorized version suitable for print (SVG).
* The exact fonts used should be noted in the logo description.
If a banner is placed on the correct page the change that someone here will think about Wikizine and report some local news will increase highly I suspect. Or that people will take a look and read the Wikimedia news. And maybe even share it locally.
—[[User:Nightstallion|<span style="font-variant:small-caps">Nightstallion</span>]] [[User talk:Nightstallion|''(?)'']] 14:45, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Here are the banners; [[meta:Wikizine/banners]]
My apologies that this is in English and the Wikizine is also in English. But there is not other way to do this. If there are questions please ask it here. I will be watching this page for at least two weeks from now on frequently. Greetings,
:What about provisional copyright? The WMF shouldn't necessarily "own" the logos that don't make the cut, but the one that is selected should be capable of being licensed to the WMF for exclusive unlimited commercial usage (essentially the same as transfering copyright). Or the contributor is willing to transfer copyright to the WMF if the logo is selected? I know this is picking at a little point, but there is no reason that a logo that was rejected by the WMF or one of these projects couldn't instead by altered slightly and used on another project that is not affiliated with the WMF on a date after the selection has been made.
:I do understand why the WMF wants control over the logos, but having control over all logo submissions? Even after the logo contest is over? I fail to see how the WMF would be damaged if a rejected logo is used elsewhere. --[[User:Roberth|Roberth]] 22:02, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
::To be frank, I agree, but I simply copied from official documentation pages. This is not something to discuss here, but rather over at the logo pages. ;) —[[User:Nightstallion|<span style="font-variant:small-caps">Nightstallion</span>]] [[User talk:Nightstallion|''(?)'']] 05:56, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
::That's simply a practical solution since commons offers only the choice between copyright WMF or several free licenses. And once a logo submission is put under a free license, these rights can't be taken back. We could maybe create a license template for provisional usage rights for the WMF for logo contests, this would leave the copyright with the author. --[[User:Elian|Elian]] 13:45, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
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::: It's not possible to fully transfer copyright in some (all?) EU countries, only to transfer exclusive rights of use. The original author retains moral rights (attribution, integrity of the work, etc.). This needs to be taken into account for submissions from jurisdictions that recognize moral rights.--[[User:Eloquence|Eloquence]] 19:46, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
:::: There's no such problem, the copyright notice is separate from the indication of author. And the copyright is clear as soon as you the proposed logo integrates the "Wikimedia" pretected mark, and the pretected Wikimedia logo : without explicit written agreement from the Foundation, the Foundation keeps the copyright on ALL derived logos (like the draft one I proposed above), even if there's no explicit copyright notice attached along with the image!
:::: Note that my SVG image also embeds internally the Foundation copyright, even if this is not displayed in the image description.
::::: ''For now the SVG support on the MediaWiki image server still does not parse the '''embedded RDF descriptors''' within graphic files (there's only the support for parsing and displaying the meta-data embedded in JPEG images by cameras), something that should be corrected to enforce the legibility of all images uploaded on Wikimedia servers.''
::::: ''Note that these embedded meta-data better protect the images than the Wiki description pages, and often contain the copyright, author attribution and licencing information, and very often a description of the image, something that should be enough to make the upload legal, without even needing to include an external Wiki description.''
::::: ''With this support, one could build the Wiki description page easily without asking to the user that uploaded the image, and we could veridy too that someone does not include a falsified Wiki description page with incorrect licence by uploading images illegally copied from external websites (notably news and TV websites).''
::::[[User:Verdy p|Verdy P]] 12:52, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
=== Modified Wikimedia logoWikiquote ===
==== groep 1 ====
Most of the logo suggestions somehow distort the existing Wikimedia logo. This is a no go. No corporation allows their logo to be deformed like this, neither should we. -- [[User:Zanimum|Zanimum]] 19:40, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
*[[q:en:Wikiquote:Village pump]] Master
: Most companies have two reasons for not allowing modified logos:
**[[q:de:Wikiquote:Ich_brauche_Hilfe#Request]] --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 13:57, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
:# Allowing others to use a modified logo reduces the value of the logo as an identifier for the company.
**[[q:es:Wikiquote:Caf%C3%A9#Request]] - --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 14:06, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
:# Using modified logos, or multiple logos, themselves might cost them brand awareness, though this is not actually certain. Not all companies agree with this: Google will happily modify the logo on their webpages on special occasions.
**[[q:eu:Wikiesanak:Txokoa]] - --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 14:20, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
: We're not a company, and our logos are not for brand-awareness. We have no need to use the exact same logo on all our projects, but it would be nice if our logos refered to WikiMedia somehow to indicate the relationship. That's why the logos of several of the projects use elements of the WikiMedia logo. Wikimedia Hatchery could do so as well, the more so because it is not merely a project of WikiMedia, but is the way WikiMedia creates projects. [[User:Aliter|Aliter]] 20:46, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
**[[q:fi:Wikisitaatit:Kahvihuone#Request]] --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 14:26, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
**[[q:it:Wikiquote:Bar#Request]] --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 14:32, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
**[[q:ja:Wikiquote:%E4%BA%95%E6%88%B8%E7%AB%AF#Request]] --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 21:50, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
***added --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 08:26, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
**[[q:la:Vicicitatio:Taberna]] --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 14:37, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
**[[q:pl:Wikicytaty:Bar#Request]] --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 15:01, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
**[[q:sv:Wikiquote:Bybrunnen#Request]] --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 15:31, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
**[[q:zh:Wikiquote:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88#Request]] --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 21:59, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
**[[q:he:ויקיציטוט:מזנון]] --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 15:38, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
**[[q:pt:Wikiquote:Esplanada]] --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 15:46, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
***added
**[[q:en:Wikiquote:Village pump]] --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 16:00, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
**[http://bg.wikiquote.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82:%D0%A0%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8#request Request bulgarian] --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 16:59, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
**[[q:sl:Projekt:Portal občestva]] --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 17:10, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
**http://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%C4%8Car%C5%A1ija --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 17:16, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
**[[q:sk:Wikicit%C3%A1ty:Kr%C4%8Dma#Request]] --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 17:23, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
**[[q:ru:Викицитатник:Портал сообщества]] --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 17:29, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
==== groep 2 ====
::I would like to add here that the need to not modify the logo is not exactly the same here. This is more the equivilant of a subsidiary company (or organization) that is using the theme of the logo as a derivitive logo. This actually increases brand awareness, and is a commonly used technique for "sister" companies or organizations. As a very strong example, look at all of the logos used by the various national Boy Scout groups, that all are based on very similar themes (usually the French flur-de-lies) and other common themes, but also incorporate national identities as well. These are all derivitive logos but also give an international common thread for all the groups. I've seen this done with many other organizations, including for-profit companies and their subsidiary groups. I would agree that if this were a completely independent project seperate from the Wikimedia Foundation, that such logo derivities would be damaging. But in this case it is a ''sub-project'' of the WMF and slightly different rules do indeed apply. --[[User:Roberth|Roberth]] 11:23, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
*[[q:en:Wikiquote:Village pump]] Master
**http://tr.wikiquote.org/wiki/Tart%C4%B1%C5%9Fma:Ana_Sayfa#Request --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 09:07, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
**[[q:id:Wikiquote:Warung Kopi]]
**http://no.wikiquote.org/wiki/Wikiquote:Tinget#Request
**http://hu.wikiquote.org/wiki/Wikid%C3%A9zet:Kocsmafal#Request
**[[q:el:Βικιφθέγματα:Ο ιστοχώρος της κοινότητας]]
**[[q:fa:ویکیگفتاورد:قهوهخانه]]
**http://cs.wikiquote.org/wiki/Diskuse:Hlavn%C3%AD_strana
**[http://ar.wikiquote.org/wiki/%D9%86%D9%82%D8%A7%D8%B4:%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B5%D9%81%D8%AD%D8%A9_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B1%D8%A6%D9%8A%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%A9 ar.wikiquote]
**http://eo.wikiquote.org/wiki/Diskuto:%C4%88efpa%C4%9Do
**http://ku.wikiquote.org/wiki/N%C3%AEqa%C5%9F:Ser%C3%BBpel
**http://ro.wikiquote.org/wiki/Wikiquote:Cafenea
**http://gl.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Portada
**http://da.wikiquote.org/wiki/Diskussion:Forside
**http://sr.wikiquote.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%80:%D0%93%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0
**http://nn.wikiquote.org/wiki/Diskusjon:Hovudside
== Wikibooks ==
:: Yes, our logos are for brand awareness. They certainly aren't for filling up a bunch of space on the screen. And no, not a company, but a charity. But look at the amazing job the Breast Cancer Foundation has done in turning an illness into a brand. I agree wholeheartedly that linking to the Wikimedia logo would be great, as this very close knit to the Foundation. However, as you mention, the other logos often contain '''elements''' of the logo. However most of these are simply come off as Photoshopped ''parodies'' of the WMF logo. If ''we'' don't worship and protect our trademarks as gods, defend them at all cost, if someone else gets a logo that mimics us, they can justify it that "well, Wikimedia doesn't protect their brands" -- [[User:Zanimum|Zanimum]] 15:42, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
*http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:Staff_lounge
**[[b:en:Wikibooks:Staff_lounge#Request]]
::: As I personally do not think that a brand has no purpose but to fill space, in my opinion a logo can serve a brand purpose without serving a brand-awareness purpose. Actually, the opposite is beyond me, but YMMV. Of course, I also don't see why the Foundation not only claiming the logo pure but also all known variations, is going to be a weaker positions than the aloof position of protection just the logo(s) pure, But since religion has entered the discussion I fear we have to let it stand at that. [[User:Aliter|Aliter]] 21:38, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
**http://ca.wikibooks.org/wiki/Viquillibres:La_taverna#Request
:::: For gawd sakes, by "worship them as gods", I simply mean that we take them with the utmost seriousness. -- [[User:Zanimum|Zanimum]] 18:41, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
:::::Well, as it is, Zaninum is totally right. According to the [[wikimedia:Wikimedia visual identity guidelines]], any version of the incubator logo below (representing a distorted Wikimedia Logo) is indeed a no go. There is actually pretty much no arguing about it.
:::::Apart from the pure "guideline" part of this, why on earth can't people actually come up with cool new refreshing logos? Especially for an incubator, come on guys! A little imagination here! Come up with fresh good ideas, scrub your brains! [[User:Notafish|notafish]] [[User talk:Notafish|}<';>]] 22:40, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
::::::Hmm so you mean all of the voting etc. underway now is completely useless? A bit late for this sort of comment...:-(. By the way, why do the wikispecies and/or commons logo exist, they too are distortions of the wikimedia logo? [[User:NielsF|NielsF]] 00:35, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
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== Illustrations ==
[[Image:Meddie nursery.png|frame|left|Meddie nursery.]]
[[Image:A meddie is born.png|frame|left|A Meddie is born.]]
Not logos per se, but might be of use someplace. [[User:Aliter|Aliter]] 20:41, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
{{-}}
=Proposals=
==Proposal #1 (Eggs)==
An idea my girlfriend and I came up with which I think is quite good would be the following: Imagine an egg standing upright, with either a slightly blueish tilt similar to many of the other logos or simply an absolutely normal egg-like colour; the top part is already slightly cracked. This is meant to symbolise that we're hatching new projects or language editions here, and that at some point they will break through the shell of their egg and become "real" projects. What do you think of that?
If someone who's good at graphics happens to read this, could you please draw up a sketch of this? I'm thinking along the lines of [http://www.napier.ac.uk/qes/StudentRetentionProject/studentbooklets/EGG.jpg this], but with more and smaller cracks. —[[User:Nightstallion|<span style="font-variant:small-caps">Nightstallion</span>]] [[User talk:Nightstallion|''(?)'']] 05:46, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
: Do you mean something like that?:
: [[Image:Wikimedia Incubator Logo-1.svg|250px]]
: Or in smaller sizes:
: [[Image:Wikimedia Incubator Logo-1.svg|64px]] [[Image:Wikimedia Incubator Logo-1.svg|40px]] [[Image:Wikimedia Incubator Logo-1.svg|32px]]
: This is in SVG format (but the text was converted to vector outlines to avoid font dependency, there it just used Arial Bold). The three eggs are exact copies of each other, from the big egg. The colors may need adjustment, and I did not include a shadow, only some light effect on the inner and outer yellows of eggs.
: Feel free to modify or enhance... As long as you keep the Wikimedia copyright. Just upload enhanced versions on top of this one, and add your author name...
: (note that I assigned the copyright to the Wikimedia Foundation (because it contains the Wikimedia logo, but just gave my name of author as required in my juridiction), but I still did not upload it on Commons or on the Incubator wiki (this may be done later, once a choice is done).
: [[User:Verdy p|Verdy P]] 19:30, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
::Nice work, but I meant more along the lines of a '''still intact egg''' with '''just a few cracks''', to show that the proposed projects are '''still being hatched''' and '''not yet ready'''. I think that maybe a single egg would fit in better with the other project logos, but maybe that's just me? Still, nice first draft! =] —[[User:Nightstallion|<span style="font-variant:small-caps">Nightstallion</span>]] [[User talk:Nightstallion|''(?)'']] 20:46, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
:: I agree that a single egg would probably work better, and the tint is a bit too yellow. The egg shape could use some work as well. Otherwise, good idea.--[[User:Eloquence|Eloquence]] 20:48, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
::: What I like about the multiple eggs is that it implies multiple projects on the same website. This is really a very different kind of project from other Wikimedia efforts in this regard, and the multiple eggs hint at that idea. --[[User:Roberth|Roberth]] 17:45, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
:: That looks awesome, but I suspect Wikimedia won't approve it: it sort of remixes the Foundation logo, and that's against guidelines. (They rejected [[media:WM 2006 Banner (2).png|this version]] of a logo I made for similar reasons). [[User:Tlogmer|Tlogmer]] 22:49, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
::: I don't think that should be a problem if there's sufficient community support; do note that the Commons and Wikispecies logos are heavily inspired by the Wikimedia one.--[[User:Eloquence|Eloquence]] 06:34, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
: Against which guidelines? I read the opposite here. In fact the logo also shares more or less the second concept below. And I also respected the wanted copyright notice.
: Regarding the colors, this is changeable too if you think it's too much yellow (but remember that real bird eggs are definitely not white, and most often vary with various shades of brown! white eggs are those from amphibians and insects, and they are circular and compacted in clusters in a wet environment, or they are like turtle eggs in the sand of a warm beach).
: Well, this is just a concept; I first tried the single egg, and found it was not suggestive enough about the term Incubator, and at smallsize, it looked to much like a zero, not very good for giving value to the name... I added twosmaller eggs, because it represents the conceptof different stages of development, the multiplicity of projects, and also because it equilibrates the overall size which otherwise would have been too much narrow. A better graphist then me would really enhance this draft, by adding small cracks, and granularity to the shell of eggs. [[User:Verdy p|Verdy P]] 03:11, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
:: Note that I just uploaded a corrected version of the same image, with less yellowish colors, and with adjusted titles, so that the whole logo fits in an exact square (of 600px with the default display resolution). [[User:Verdy p|Verdy P]] 14:01, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
:::Mh. Two suggestions: Maybe a bluish-greyish tint for the egg colour, to bring it in line with many of the other logos? And could you try having it as a whole egg with just a few cracks? —[[User:Nightstallion|<span style="font-variant:small-caps">Nightstallion</span>]] [[User talk:Nightstallion|''(?)'']] 09:58, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
:: That's a completely different suggestion, not mine; contribute with your own logo, or ask to people in the Graphics Workshop if they are interested. For me, displaying blue eggs won't be very meaningful, and eggs won't even be recognized, and seen as simple ovals, and nothing will correlate the idea of the incubator, where what is important is the content of the incubated project. I personally like the fact that this is a small Wikimedia that has still not escaped from the "protection" of the shell, and the concept carried by the variable sizes. The partially open egg makes the logo partially visible and indicates a partial opening for what is still not a completely born project... So propose your own separate logo (your reference to an external image is not acceptable as such, and trying to reproduce its concept exactly is not acceptable either for what would be a Wikimedia Foundation owned logo). [[User:Verdy p|Verdy P]] 14:52, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
:::Maybe I'm touchy today, but I find that comment bordering on [[en:WP:CIVIL]]. If I could actually design logos, don't you think I might already have done so? <tt>:p</tt> Whatever, I simply meant to propose something which someone who's got the time and capability could try to base a sketch on. —[[User:Nightstallion|<span style="font-variant:small-caps">Nightstallion</span>]] [[User talk:Nightstallion|''(?)'']] 18:41, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
::::I like this logo. It is derivative from the logo on this page for Wikimedia: Meta-Wiki, but I think this one is pleasing to the eye, and its seeming depiction of more than one object illustrates the purpose of this Wiki.--[[User:Drboisclair|Drboisclair]] 21:26, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
==Proposal #2 (Fallback meta-logo)==
I like the egg idea a lot. But short of that, since this project has "Wikimedia" in its name, we could also just use the Foundation's logo and stick "Incubator" under that, just like Meta's logo. This is kind of a fallback plan in case we can't find someone who can draw a decently plausible egg. – [[User:Mxn|Minh Nguyễn]] <small>([[User talk:Mxn|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Mxn|contribs]])</small> 18:58, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
: This is okay with me. -- [[User:Zanimum|Zanimum]] 19:41, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
==Proposal #3 (Budding meta-logo)==
Not yet vectorised, - someone else might do this, maybe me but not yet. This just demonstrates the logo concept, seen in various colourschemes. For some reason, <u>thumbnails arent working</u> for me. If that's the same for you, click on the image and then view its full-sized version which ''does'' work. If all fails, i'll describe it: a wikimedia-shaped logo with the blue circle as a complete ring, and a budding circle within pushing outwards, hence: incubator. --[[User:Alfakim|Alfakim]] 23:23, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
[[Image:Incubator1.png|thumb]]
[[Image:Incubator2.png|thumb]]
[[Image:Incubator3.png|thumb]]
:I strongly oppose the old color scheme. It looks too much like the Meta logo. With different colors, it might be okay, but it still looks very similar. — <span style="font-variant:small-caps;font-family:sans-serif;">[[User:Ambush Commander|Ambush Commander]]</span><sup style="font-family:serif;">([[User talk:Ambush Commander|Talk]])</sup> 23:38, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
:: I'm not all that fond of the eggs, but proposal 3 doesn't really work for me. If it doesn't have WikiMedia colours, it doesn't make any sense, and even the one that does, doesn't strike me as pushing outward. If anything, I'd say the top was being pulled between the other two segments. [[User:Aliter|Aliter]] 03:11, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
:I think it's rather clever, though perhaps too subtle a visual distinction. --[[User:Brion VIBBER|brion]] 03:24, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
::I like it stylistically. I'm afraid I wouldn't have understood the symbolism if you hadn't explained it, though. —[[User:Nightstallion|<span style="font-variant:small-caps">Nightstallion</span>]] [[User talk:Nightstallion|''(?)'']] 06:07, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
:::Well, let's not forget we were considering just using the wikimedia logo full stop. I think that a subtle distinction is good. it makes sense in this case. --[[User:Alfakim|Alfakim]] 17:37, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
:::Clear, simple, perfect [[it:Utente:Jollyroger]] 08:32, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
:An excellent idea! However, I agree with Ambush Commander that the old colours should be altered. '''And the most obvious solution is to replace the red colour with yellow'''! [[User:Ramir|Ramir]] 08:33, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
::Like [[:Image:Incubator1-variant.png|this]]? —[[User:Nightstallion|<span style="font-variant:small-caps">Nightstallion</span>]] [[User talk:Nightstallion|''(?)'']] 13:02, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
:::The yellow is too bright, and doesn't work well with the other colors. In my opinion, the original color cheme still looks best. <font color="#0033cc">[[User:Gyre|G]]</font>[[User_talk:Gyre|<font color="black">y</font>]][[User:Gyre|<font color="#0033cc">re</font>]] 03:49, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
[[Image:Incubator1-variant.png|thumb]]
I've submitted this proposal as a '''style concept''' - change the colours, or change the intricacies as much you like. the core of my proposal is the "budding wikimedia". --[[User:Alfakim|Alfakim]] 16:59, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
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==Proposal #4 (Meddie Egg)==
[[Image:Meddie Egg.png|thumb|Meddie Egg]]
[[Image:Meddie Egg.svg|135 px|thumb|Meddie Egg]]
[[Image:Meddie Egg2.svg|135 px|thumb|Meddie Egg2]]
[[Image:Meddie Egg3b.svg|135 px|thumb|V3 Hatchery]]
A logo for the WikiMedia Hatchery: We were talking about eggs and Meddie logos. What else is there to say? [[User:Aliter|Aliter]] 17:01, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
(Ah, yes: Would have to be redone by someone who can actually draw and put WikiMedia Hatchery underneath. [[User:Aliter|Aliter]])
:I like the idea. —[[User:Nightstallion|<span style="font-variant:small-caps">Nightstallion</span>]] [[User talk:Nightstallion|''(?)'']] 07:07, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
:Correction: I meant to say "I like the idea, but it would indeed benefit from better execution..." Anyone up to it? —[[User:Nightstallion|<span style="font-variant:small-caps">Nightstallion</span>]] [[User talk:Nightstallion|''(?)'']] 13:13, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
::Is this better? I'm not an expert in SVG-drawing, but it's a start. Made it a little bit more egg-like, colours can of course be altered. [[User:NielsF|NielsF]] 20:13, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
:I like this idea, the bottom is better!--[[User:Vipuser|Vipuser]] 03:44, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
'''Great'''! I say we take this, rename Incubator "Wikimedia Hatchery", and are done with this contest. <tt>:)</tt> —[[User:Nightstallion|<span style="font-variant:small-caps">Nightstallion</span>]] [[User talk:Nightstallion|''(?)'']] 05:55, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
:A minor change I'd request: Do you think it might look better if the whitespace between the different parts of the logo were as wide as it is in the Meta logo? It's considerably smaller in your proposal. Just a thought. :) —[[User:Nightstallion|<span style="font-variant:small-caps">Nightstallion</span>]] [[User talk:Nightstallion|''(?)'']] 07:03, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
::Wow, '''awesome''' logo! +[[User:Hexagon1|Hexagon1]] <sup>([[User_talk:Hexagon1|t]])</sup> 09:45, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
I like the second variant more (for pure esthetic reasons) While the 1st reminds me of a brain, the 2nd seems to resemble a semen or nut. Maybe someone wants to try, and add a little leaf sprouting out of it? I.e. make it a little unsymmetrical. -- [[User:Purodha|Purodha Blissenbach]] 17:02, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Yes, NielsF, this is much better. The top (especially the green) is a bit sharper than I would have done, rounding it and thus shortening it a bit would allow displaying it slightly larger, but this is indeed where I wanted to go. Nightstallion has a point about the width of the white, but I'm not sure there is room for that: The red disk being inside the logo takes up more space there. Could anyone try put WikiMedia Hatchery underneath (one line?), so we can see what size everything comes out at? [[User:Aliter|Aliter]] 20:46, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
:Sigh... I don't know what it is with me today, but when I first saw this logo it reminded me of a vagina. :( [[User:203.177.60.236|203.177.60.236]] 09:15, 21 June 2006 (UTC) <small>(User:TheCoffee from en.wikipedia)</small>
'''This is a great logo''' - slight changes needed per above; otherwise, this is the way to go. --[[User:Alfakim|Alfakim]] 16:45, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Visually a smart logo. I like it! [[User:Ashibaka|Ashibaka]] 18:41, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
:I've made 2 new versions, see right, I tried as much as possible to do something with the remarks.. <strike>I'm currently looking into how I can get the strange black box away.. I think someone with more experience in SVG-editing should take a look.</strike> Increasing the whitespace even more makes the green parts too thin, so I didn't do this. Because of the height/width ratio of the image the text should be in two lines I think, otherwise the picture becomes too large in relation to the text. Number 2 is slightly reduced in height compared with nr. 1, nr. 3 even more so. [[User:NielsF|NielsF]] 20:44, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
::I prefer "Hatchery" in black with the egg logo we're currently discussing, but I prefer the final logo with the least height. It looks great! —[[User:Nightstallion|<span style="font-variant:small-caps">Nightstallion</span>]] [[User talk:Nightstallion|''(?)'']] 05:43, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
===4a===
:::Ok. I've toyed around a bit, made a version according to [[wikimedia:Wikimedia visual identity guidelines]]: [[Image:Meddie Egg3d.svg]], [[image:Wiki.png]]. For thumbnails or sister project links or tabs in FF, [[Image:Meddie Egg3c.svg|35px]] (35px) [[Image:Meddie Egg3c.svg|16px]] (16px), the no-text version can be used. [[User:NielsF|NielsF]] 15:53, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
::::I'm '''100%''' in favour of the name "Wikimedia Hatchery" and the last logo you've presented. Can we start a vote now? ;) —[[User:Nightstallion|<span style="font-variant:small-caps">Nightstallion</span>]] [[User talk:Nightstallion|''(?)'']] 20:47, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
::This is great! I think we have a wide enough variety to start a vote. I'm kind of torn between incubator and hatchery as the name of the wiki though. Maybe a vote should be held for that as well. — [[User:Randy Johnston|Randy Johnston]] ([[User talk:Randy Johnston|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Randy Johnston|contribs]]) 23:33, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
How about creche? [[User:Kencf|Kencf]] 04:48, 24 June 2006 (UTC)<br />
::Yup, this logo is a winner. I'm all for it. <font color="#0033cc">[[User:Gyre|G]]</font>[[User_talk:Gyre|<font color="black">y</font>]][[User:Gyre|<font color="#0033cc">re</font>]] 08:15, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
::I like this format, and the horizontal breakline gives that slight reminder of an egg starting to break too. I still prefer 'Incubator' though as 'hatchery' sounds to en-centric. --[[User:AlisonW|Alison Wheeler]] 08:31, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
===4b===
[[Image:Meddie Egg3v.png|right|frame|Meddie Egg 3. half vertical line]]
[[Image:Meddie Egg 3v.svg|right|frame|Meddie Egg 3. half vertical line, SVG]]
I agree that the bottom is a bit weak with that division line. But I'd like to try a different solution as well. (Don't panic, no need to stop me; this really is as far as I can take this.) Vertical division line on upper part only, green tips blunted just a pixel. This ought to give a nice round bottom, if done by a proper artist, and it has a slightly stronger division line. (Might need like half a pixel more green at the bottom and where I removed the horizontal line, but that's beyond me.)
The reasons I'm not fond of "Incubator" are that it's less simple English and that in several languages the Latin is associated with the incubation of diseases only. "Hatchery" simply sounds safer. [[User:Aliter|Aliter]] 19:09, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
:I also prefer Hatchery. —[[User:Nightstallion|<span style="font-variant:small-caps">Nightstallion</span>]] [[User talk:Nightstallion|''(?)'']] 08:16, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
::There's a discussion about the name at [[Wikimedia Incubator/name]]. [[User:Dbmag9|Daniel]] ([[User talk:Dbmag9|‽]]) <small>Check out [[Wikiscope]]!</small> 17:28, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
:::Made a SVG version of Aliter's newest variation, see right. [[User:NielsF|NielsF]] 19:12, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. I fear my version also may have had black box syndrome in some browsers.
Does anyone have a preference for either of the final products? (Or a loathing for both?) [[User:Aliter|Aliter]] 21:38, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
:I have a slight preference for 4a, but as I'm just "the artist" here and probably won't be involved with the project itself...if everyone likes 4b better, I won't mind. [[User:NielsF|NielsF]] 22:06, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
::I prefer 4a, too. —[[User:Nightstallion|<span style="font-variant:small-caps">Nightstallion</span>]] [[User talk:Nightstallion|''(?)'']] 06:09, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
:I don't know why but I like 4b better. It's pretty close though. [[User:Laurascudder|Laura Scudder]] | [[User talk:Laurascudder|Talk]] 20:14, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
* Can it be made less pointy at the top? ~[[User:Mdd4696 |MDD]][[User talk:Mdd4696 |46]][[Special:Contributions/Mdd4696 |96]] 14:29, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
I like 4a because it gives the impression that the egg is hatching.--[[User:68.218.244.233|68.218.244.233]] 21:54, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
:Although...maybe we should abandon the simple three colors and do something like the [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Wikispecies-logo.png Wikispecies logo]?--[[User:68.218.244.233|68.218.244.233]] 22:01, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
==35px versions==
As would be used in the sister projects template:
[[Image:Wikimedia Incubator Logo-1.svg|35px]] [[Image:Wikimedia-logo.svg|35px]] [[Image:Incubator1.png|35px]] [[Image:Meddie Egg.png|35px]]
[[Image:Meddie Egg vertical line.svg|35px]]
[[Image:Meddie Egg half vertical line.svg|35px]]
[[Image:Meddie Egg horizontal line.svg|35px]]
(The logos with captions to be replace with slightly larger captionless versions, of course.)
==Should we start a vote now?==
Or should we wait until the name's been decided first? I don't think we need to wait, personally. —[[User:Nightstallion|<span style="font-variant:small-caps">Nightstallion</span>]] [[User talk:Nightstallion|''(?)'']] 05:43, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
:As Incubator has a relatively small user base, it should be OK (this is just my opinion, not based on any official policy). Make sure that all concerned are notified, and don't change it unless there is a large majority in favour of something. [[User:Dbmag9|Daniel]] ([[User talk:Dbmag9|‽]]) <small>Check out [[Wikiscope]]!</small> 11:00, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
::At least for the logo's I and/or Aliter have proposed the text can be altered in a sec, so the name of the project shouldn't be a problem. So voting for the logo is ok, I think. [[User:NielsF|NielsF]] 14:38, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Well, I'd say we vote on the basic logo first (three choices: three eggs, Wikimedia-based, single stylised egg), and then have a vote on the possible variants for the winning logo, if there are any. Good? —[[User:Nightstallion|<span style="font-variant:small-caps">Nightstallion</span>]] [[User talk:Nightstallion|''(?)'']] 20:12, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
==Should we end a vote now?==
How long does voting last? Is 4/0/3/47 enough consensus to get the Board to officially rubber stamp the public opinion as reality? -- [[User:70.26.123.156|70.26.123.156]] 14:11, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
:Voting has lasted for almost two weeks now and there seems to be an overwhelming majority for proposal #4 Meddie Egg (5/4/0/59). As the proposal has multiple versions, I'd say we move on to voting for which version of the Meddie Egg is the best liked one. [[User:NielsF|NielsF]] 02:17, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
::I agree. Perhaps leave it for another 2 days to get over the two-week mark, but voting for the variant should begin soon. [[User:Dbmag9|Daniel]] ([[User talk:Dbmag9|‽]]) <small>Check out [[Wikiscope]]!</small> 08:43, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
:::I concur. I'd remove the first version straight away, since it is not as cleaned up as the other ones, and have a second vote between horizontal line, vertical line-full and vertical line-half. —[[User:Nightstallion|<span style="font-variant:small-caps">Nightstallion</span>]] [[User talk:Nightstallion|''(?)'']] 05:51, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
::::I've ended the vote. A new vote has begun for the variant of the logo. [[User:Dbmag9|Daniel]] ([[User talk:Dbmag9|‽]]) <small>Check out [[Wikiscope]]!</small> 14:07, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
=Voting=
Voting has now closed for the logo (an archive is available [[Wikimedia Incubator/logo/archive|here]]). Only vote once, on the variant that you prefer. If you have a comment, add it to the discussion above.
==#1 (Full Vertical)==
[[Image:Meddie Egg vertical line.svg|100px]]
[[Image:Meddie Egg vertical line-text.svg]]
#'''Support''' [[User:Angr|Angr]] 06:12, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
# Support
# {{support}}--[[User:Mac Wanter|Mac Wanter]] 22:32, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
#'''Support''' --[[User:Nick1915|Nick1915]] 12:49, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
==#2 (Half Vertical)==
[[Image:Meddie Egg half vertical line.svg|100px]]
[[Image:Meddie Egg half vertical line-text.svg]]
# {{support}} [[User:Ramir|Ramir]] 13:25, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
# {{support}} The most satisfying shape. Closer to existing wikimedia logo than the horizontal version. [[User:HappyDog|HappyDog]] 23:26, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
# {{support}} --'''[[User:Taichi|Taichi]]''' - ([[User talk:Taichi|あ！]]) 03:31, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
# {{support}}. It looks like a seed (in my opinion), that's what I really like about it. The horizontal one looks "broken" to me. — '''''[[User:Timichal|<span style="color:#3971DE">Timi</span>]][[User talk:Timichal|<span style="color:#3971DE">chal</span>]]''''' • 09:21, 17. Jul 2006
# {{support}}. --[[User:Eleassar|'''Eleassar''']] <sup>[[User talk:Eleassar|my talk]]</sup> 11:16, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
# {{support}} --[[User:Gray Porpoise|Gray Porpoise]] 13:49, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
# {{support}} --[[User:Marbot|Marbot]] 18:18, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
# {{support}} Resembles the seed of a [[w:Dicotyledon|dicot]], and I like the mixed metaphor of a seed hatching and then blooming. [[User:Smurrayinchester|Smurrayinchester]] 14:40, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
# {{support}} I like the seed metaphore [[User:Reo On|'''''Reo''''' On]]|[[User talk:Reo On|+]]|[[:cs:Wikipedista diskuse:Reo On|+]] 20:12, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
# {{support}} [[User:Helios89|Helios89]] 13:38, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
# {{oppose}}, in other words, either of the other ones. (since I can only vote once) [[User:Grenavitar|gren]] 01:14, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
==#3 (Horizontal)==
[[Image:Meddie Egg horizontal line.svg|100px]]
[[Image:Meddie Egg horizontal line-text.svg]]
# {{support}} [[User:Dbmag9|Daniel]] ([[User talk:Dbmag9|‽]]) <small>Check out [[Wikiscope]]!</small> 14:13, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
#[[User:206.83.252.59|206.83.252.59]] 20:45, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
#{{support}} Not too pointy. [[User:Feydey|Feydey]] 22:24, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
#{{support}} My vote. --[[:en:User:evrik]] 02:00, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
#{{support}} The others seem to be too... dividing. —[[User:Nightstallion|<span style="font-variant:small-caps">Nightstallion</span>]] [[User talk:Nightstallion|''(?)'']] 10:16, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
#{{support}} I agree --[[User:Flyout|Flyout]] 13:01, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
#{{support}} [[User:Rei-artur|Rei-artur]] 13:34, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
#{{support}} [[User:NielsF|NielsF]] 13:59, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
#STILL DON'T LIKE THE ALL CAPS THO. -- [[User:Jeandré|Jeandré]], 2006-07-17[[User talk:Jeandré|t]]15:31z
#'''Support''' Looks the least like a vulva. ~[[User:Mdd4696 |MDD]][[User talk:Mdd4696 |46]][[Special:Contributions/Mdd4696 |96]] 23:32, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
#:If you put it like that, maybe I should vote for #2 instead... <tt>;)</tt> —[[User:Nightstallion|<span style="font-variant:small-caps">Nightstallion</span>]] [[User talk:Nightstallion|''(?)'']] 05:52, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
#{{support}} Looks best. *laughing at Mdd4696's vote* [[User:Messedrocker|Messedrocker]] 05:59, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
#{{support}} --[[User:Celestianpower|Celestianpower]] ([[en:user:Celestianpower|en]], [[wiktionary:User:Celestianpower|wikt]]) 07:01, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
#{{support}} - [[User:Ian13|Ian13]] 09:39, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
# '''Support''' – [[User:Gurch|Gurch]] 15:23, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
# {{support}} Looks nice! –- [[User:Kevinin|Kevinin]] 20:57, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
# '''Support''' per Mdd4696. [[User:GChriss|GChriss]] 21:21, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
# '''Support''' -- Does look nicer. [[User:Redux|Redux]] 21:23, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
# {{support}} keeping the circle/square ;) [[User:194.151.136.154|194.151.136.154]] 23:15, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
#{{support}} - I like this one a lot. [[en:user:CatherineMunro|Catherine]]
# {{support}} - although I'd prefer the second (half vertical) over the first if I had to choose between those too. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 20:02, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
#{{support}} [[User:Jon Harald Søby|Jon]] [[User talk:Jon Harald Søby|Harald]] [[:no:Bruker:Jhs|Søby]] 20:35, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
#{{support}} [[user:GangstaEB|<font color="black">Gang</font>]][[user talk:GangstaEB|<font color="red">staE</font>]][[Special:Contributions/GangstaEB|<font color=green>B</font>]] [[w:user:GangstaEB|<font color="blue">(W)</font>]] 15:39, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
#{{support}} It looks like it's hatching.--[[User:HereToHelp|HereToHelp]] 17:53, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
#'''Support''' -[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] 19:42, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
#{{support}} It looks rather adorable, and I think this would work nicely. --[[User:Danntm|Danntm]] 22:47, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
#{{support}} This one has less risky overtones than the other two. —[[w:en:User:Perceval|Perceval]]
#{{support}} --[[User:Steschke|ST]] [[:de:Benutzer_Diskussion:Steschke|○]] 11:12, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
=See also=
* The related naming discussion ([[Wikimedia Incubator/name]]) has been closed, with the result of keeping the name as '''Wikimedia Incubator'''.
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