User talk:Millosh

Hi Miloš,

thanks for copying the text Westdeutsche in der DDR und Nach-DDR. However, this text does not have any encyclopedic value. I'm sorry that this particular user (thomasx1) is trying to copy this text to any non-German wikipedia. -- Mathias Schindler 08:18, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Srpski jezik

OK, sada primjedbe na tekst. Neke su općenite naravi, a neke se pak tiču odnosa jezik-politika.

1. mislim da je u tekstu previše teoretiziranja o indoeuropskom stanju, no, to sam ostavio uglavnom kako jest (na stranu manje promjene u sintaksi i sl.).

2. isto za dijakronija/sinkronija. To je nabacano zbrda-zdola, i previše je. Dovoljno je napomenuti da se realno daje kraći dijakronijski opis, a ne sinkronijska deskripcija. Kasnije se može napomenuti i o povijesnim gramatikama (kojih za sada i nema) i sl.-no, ići u discipline lingvistike kao psiholingvistika ili algebarska lingvistika, pa dijalektologija, pa..- e, to je pretjerano. Nije loše kasnije dopuniti, no te stvari trebaju ići pod «lingvistika», a ne «srpski jezik». Zbog preglednosti bilo bi zgodno navesti da se pojam «jezik» koristi najčešće kao «sustav dijalekata» i kao «standardni jezik», te da je ovdje riječ o mijenama srpskoga jezika kao standardnoga.

3. što se politike tiče, bez da idem u detalje:

a) Bošnjaci muslimani su poseban etnos, te njihova kultura (i jezična) dolazi pod natuknicu o njima. Iako i u Hrvatskoj još uvijek njihova djela pisana arabicom (aljamijado književnost) nalaze mjesto u povijestima hrv. književnosti (npr. one Slobodana P. Novaka)- može se reći da je to anakronizam. Ne radi se o sukobu znanosti i politike, nego o dvjema politikama. Panhrvatska i pansrpska tu nemaju bogznakakvih argumenata (tko smatra da je «Potur šahidi» Mehmeda Uskufija hrvatski/srpski rječnik ?).

b) drugi je dio klasika-Dubrovnik. Srpske kulturne i ine institucije i dalje u velikom dijelu udžbenika tvrde da je dubrovačka književna i jezična baština ili isključivo srpska ili i hrvatska i srpska. Koliko znam, jezikoslovac i povjesničar književnosti Miodrag Popović (stručnjak za Vuka Karadžića) bijaše jednim od rijetkih srpskih intelektualaca koji su odbacili takav stav u polemici koja se vodila još 1967. Većina je srpskih lingvista (Belić, Ivić, Remetić, Čigoja, Brborić,..) ostala pri suprotnom mišljenju, koje se ne može okarakterizirati nego kao velikosrpsko. Nepotrebno je reći da kako hrvatska, tako i svjetska slavistika (uz izuzetke kao (pokojni ?) Naylor i možda još koji lingvist) ne prihvaća takve stavove, te da je doba raspaljenih polemika o tome iza nas. Ukratko: službeno srpsko poimanje jezične i književne baštine Dubrovnika (ali i drugih hrvatskih štokavskih krajeva, npr. u Bosni, Hercegovini, Dalmaciji, Slavoniji, dijaspori u Madžarskoj,..), te jezične povijesti srpske (i hrvatske)- općenito u svijetu i u Hrvatskoj nije prihvaćeno. O starijoj slavistici i njenim idejama o tom se može vidjeti na poveznici http://p087.ezboard.com/fistorijabalkanafrm11.showMessage?topicID=359.topic , a o povijesti hrvatskoga (pa prema tome i jezika u Dubrovniku) u Brozovićevom tekstu na http://www.ihjj.hr/o-hr-jeziku-povijest-1.htm (i daljnje stranice). Tu je i zanimljiva sintagma «srpski kulturni prostor». Izvan onoga što se uobičajeno podrazumijeva (bar u RH) pod tim, tu svakako može doći stvaralaštvo srpske dijaspore u Hrvatskoj (Mrkalj), pa i Hrvata koji su se opredijelili za srpski civilizacijski krug (Jorjo Tadić, Petar Kolendić, Matija Ban, ..). No, tu nikako ne mogu biti hrvatski autori koji su trpani u tu kategoriju po načelima vukovske srpske nacionalne ideologije: štokavsko narječje=srpski jezik, ili, izvorni štokavci = Srbi. Status te jednadžbe u suvremenoj srbijanskoj humanstici i jezikoslovlju nije znak njene istinitosti.

c) glede periodizacije (iako to još nisam dovršio), mislim da bi trebalo jasnije istaknuti 4 faze prije Vuka (staroslavenski srpske redakcije ili srpskoslavenski (1200-1400), reforma u Manasiji i resavski pravopis (1400-1700), rusko-crkveni ili crkvenoruski ( 1700-1750), te slavenosrpski (1750-ca. 1820/1850). Onda slijedi pojava Vuka i daljnji razvoj (beogradski stil itd.). Tu bi valjalo spomenuti i još neke autore (Mrkalja-možda sam ga previdio ?), a i srpsko-hrvatski pokus koji je dosta paralizirao i Hrvate i Srbe (na različite načine). Također, više o reprezentativnim djelima iz različitih razdoblja, pa i pokoja slika. No, o tom potom. Ostalo kasnije (dotjerivanje i sl.). Mir Harven 19:03, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Odgovor se nalazi na stranici Srpski jezik na hrvatskoj Vikipediji. --Millosh 18:19, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)

(Opet) o latinici

Milloshe daj napravi i latiničnu verziju Vaše Wikipedie, pa bih mogao i ja postaviti koji pametan članak (politika isključena osim općepriznate povijesti - historije).

Radi se na tome, u svakom slucaju. Nego, ko si ti? :) Ja sam pomislio da je u pitanju Mir Harven. --Millosh 00:17, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Srpski jezik again

Evo, ja sam gotov na hr wiki, pa ti prepravljaj i sl. http://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srpski_jezik Mir Harven 16:32, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Romsko srpski jezik

Zdravo, Miloš! Na bugarskoj Vikipediji se čudimo šta je ovo Romsko srpski jezik (Romano-Serbian)? Prvo, je li to stvarno jezik ili neka varijanta; drugo, ako nije jezik, je li to dijalekat i, treće, gde se može naći na Internetu više informacije o tom fenomenu? Moje osobno mišljenje, što sam i izneo na bugarskoj Vikipediji je da je neko multiplicirao na Internetu nešto što ima dovoljno sumnjivu naučnu vrednost. Dosada nisam našao ni reč o tom "jeziku" na srpskom ili na samom "romsko srpskom". Pitam se još da li ima romsko španski, romsko engleski ili romsko slovački, a takođe - i romsko bugarski:) Nisam međutim nikad dosada naišao na ovakvu informaciju. Hoćeš mi pomoći? --Harry 15:52, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Nisam imao u vidu romski jezik, nego tako zvani romsko srpski. U onoj klasifikaciji pišu da je to južnoslovenski jezik, a romski jezik naravno da nije takav, nezavisno od pozajmljenih srpskih, bugarskih, rumunskih itd. reči. Prema tome, ako nije posredi neka zabuna, mora na svetu (u Srbiji) da postoji neko ko se zna snaći u tom pitanju :) --Harry 13:38, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Interesting... I don't find myself irresponsible. However... I've asked for deletion of those articles, they really were stupid. I'm sorry, I've made confuse in Wikipedia. It was a little joke. Sorry again.--Ђорђе Д. Божовић 12:25, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Email contact

As you are admin on meta, I would like to direct your attention to this, though I've noticed that your email is published on your user page. Thank you, M/ 20:47, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Trust in Wikipedia

this is Cathy from Hong Kong working on a research about trust on Wikipedia. I wonder if you would kindly contact me at researchingmedia@gmail.com? I'd like to chat with you about Wikipedia of your language. Would you kindly drop me your email or IM (Skype, MSN, AIM or ICQ)? It wouldn't take more than ten minutes, but it would help enormously for us to understand the overall trust-based social landscape of Wikipedia. Thank you!

a simple request

Please read here: Proposals_for_closing_projects#What_reliable_sources_say_about_Moldovan_Language. Thank you. Adriatikus 07:49, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

I just commented on your vote on Proposals for closing projects#Closure of Simple English Wiktionary. Please review my comments. If they don't change your opinion, that's fine, but please consider replying to my comment, or if I do convince you, changing your vote. --Cromwellt|talk|contribs 17:50, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Addin Mass Content

Hi Millosh, sorry for being very short, but I believe that what you want to do can be quite easily achieved with Wikidata using already now WiktionaryZ to get the main parts (country names etc.) translated there. WiktionaryZ is built on Wikidata or better Wikidata is being developed thanks to WiktionaryZ. Being it a relational database you can create queries the boxes can be implemented in the pages having then also a normal editing box. It is already there - it is only a question of time to get it to the level where it can be included in Mediawiki. This will help for all "common data". I also wrote two blogs that deal with that [1] and [2]. Sorry for not taking more time now. I have to finish a job to be delivered this week. Best, --Sabine 12:26, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Want your help

There are above 16 sign inners supported opening of http://sd.wikinews.org in Sindhi language, Sindhi is very rich and historical languge of Indus Valley. There 6.xx millions Sindhis are in all over the world. how can we start wikinews in Sindhi, our request gain above 16 supporter??? 202.174.136.98 18:48, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Торлачка Википедија

Раније сам био чуо да си имао идеју о отварању торлачке Википедије, која би отприлике била за српску Википедију оно што је кашупска за пољску. Па ме занима да ли се одустало од те идеје, или се још о томе размишља? Питам јер бих подржао тај пројекат и потрудио се да му допринесем. --George D. Bozovic 12:44, 7 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ego and his own

Hello. I don't know anything about what is happening on Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Montenegrin, but Ego and his own has asked to be unblocked. Assuming good faith, I have unblocked him under the following conditions:

<guillom|busy> Ego_and_his_own, i propose to unblock you to let you edit a subpage of your userpage and *only* this page
<guillom|busy> on this page you can write a summary of what you have written here
<guillom|busy> and of course, if you troll, you will be blocked again
<guillom|busy> comment ?
<Ego_and_his_own> sound good to me. Can you give me more info on "troll"? What I souldnt do?
<guillom|busy> you should write a text that is as neutral as possible
<guillom|busy> just write down the facts
<Ego_and_his_own> ok I wil, do my best
<guillom|busy> are you ok with that ?
<guillom|busy> ok
<guillom|busy> i leave a message to millosh and i unblock you

Please tell me if you are ok with that. Thanks. guillom 14:23, 13 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikimedia projects are not for nation-building

I left you a post on the talk page of the article. You are promoting false information, and threaten to use administrative powers to impose false information. This is not normal. Dpotop 16:42, 14 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The blocking of Dpotop

Hi Millosh. Dpotop has contacted me about your blocking of him for one day, which he feels is unjustified. I also believe that this block was unjustified and applied unfairly, particularly considering that you were involved directly in the dispute at Wikimedia projects are not for nation-building, and no clear motive was given to him as to why he was blocked. The general practice in these cases is for you to contact a third-party admin to impose a block if such a block is necessary. Additionally, it is also important to remember that, due to its internal nature, Meta-Wikimedia is not subject to the same policies as the English Wikipedia, and there is no need for blocking unless something very serious takes place (i.e. Meta policies don't need to be as strict due to the target audience). This is particularly important since, in the given article, you reverted a piece of information that is questionable: "Moldovan in the process of assimilation with Romanian nation". In both Romania and Moldova, this is known as a "unionist" viewpoint, generally held by nationalists (it's similar to the Kosovo unionist stance in Serbia). Although in Romania the unionist, "assimiliationist" view is quite popular, there is no reliable evidence to point to a cultural convergence between the two nations or the two languages. In fact, I could argue that, due to the process of nation-building, Moldovan culture is moving further away from Romanian culture, in the same way that Montenegrin culture is diverging from Serbian culture. In any case, Dpotop's editing history on the English Wikipedia points to the fact that he is not a troll or a vandal, and he generally places an emphasis on dialogue and negotiation. For that reason, I feel the block in unjustified. Name-calling such as "POV pusher vandal" is also unhelpful. Thanks, Ronline 07:35, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again. I fail to see the relevance of your comment "Second, you are involved party, not me. I am not from Romania" other than to make a rather discriminatory jab. Perhaps I did not interpret your comment correctly, but you seem to be alluding to the fact that just because I am Romanian, I am bound to have a bias towards Romanian users, and thus I am not allowed to question any of your admin actions. As an online community, at Wikipedia we should not look at people's ethnicity when determining their value (this should not be done anywhere, actually). In any case, what I mean by "involved party" is that you also participated significantly in that article, and you were one of the parties to the dispute with Dpotop, reverting his edits and the such. As an involved party, it is generally frowned upon to use punitive measures such as blocks; it can be interpreted as a case of admin abuse to silence your opponents. Lastly, I am simply making an inquiry into a block which I feel is unjustified, particularly in the context of Meta. If you feel that your block was correct, then please enlighten me as to why. After all, as an admin, you need to have accountability for your actions, and I have not see you give a detailed reason for your block, either on Dpotop's talk page or in the blocking log. Thanks, Ronline 04:13, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Millosh - all I asked for was a justification. You have managed to reply back to me in a round-about way and accused me of being "an advocate of POV pushing vandal", when you could've simply given a quick explanation of your actions, in the way that a responsible admin should do. This tells me that you're actually trying not to work with other users in a collaborative manner. To me, Dpotop is not a POV-pushing vandal, and I invite you to ask around on the English Wikipedia to people who have opposing views to him, and find out what they think. Please, stop judging people so harshly and be prepared for dialogue and for review of your admin actions by third parties. It's the only way that Wikipedia works. Ronline 00:28, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Kabyle wikipedia

Hello,

Our request to have a wikipedia in the Kabyle Berber language have been aproved by an administrator :

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:TUF-KAT

On this page:

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Requests_for_new_languages/Kabyle

The use/admin TUF-KAT said we need to ask a developer to do the rest, I have posted in the mailing list [3] but we did not find any developper.

i am a bit lost, what should we exactly do?Toira

Toolserveraccount

Hello Millosh,
please send your real-name, your prefered login-name and the public part of your ssh-key to . We plan to create your account soon then. --DaB.

Bot_aid

Please see my comment on Bot_aid. Thanks--Markie 21:58, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

what about Anarchopedia ?

I found your name there : http://fra.anarchopedia.org/index.php/Utilisateur:Libre/motiv

thanks. Join me there.

Request for permission

You have been granted administrator access on the Serbo-Croatian Wikipedia by your request. Thanks. —{admin} Pathoschild 07:42:33, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Roberta F.

I've posted further results today. Guess you need to block wikt:sh:User:Haker. MaxSem 15:31, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Possible problem in planet config

Hi Millosh, Cool, thank you for updating the feeds for WordPress. I used to think that all feeds were created equal, but since getting emailed the cron output from wikiblogplanet, I see that some feeds are badly formatted, some sites go up and down regularly, etc - so any assistance with keeping the feeds current and functional is appreciated. Also, there isn't any anti-spam software on the planet - it's just a fairly dumb bit of software that gets a series of feeds, and displays their posts in chronological order. It doesn't know anything about what it's showing, and doesn't vet it or spam check or do anything to it - it just spits out what it gets, with the only advantage being that it's all combined in one place. -- All the best, Nickj 06:16, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

re:Translation

Hi Millosh, could (1) be "In 2004 I transformed Serbian Wikipedia into an active project" ? ("I had been transformed" would mean that it was You being transformed as far as I know). Best regards, --birdy geimfyglið _(:> )=| 14:44, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Corrected now, I have overlooked this sentence. Best regards, --birdy geimfyglið _(:> )=| 14:52, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Stewards/elections 2007/statements/Adambro

Thanks for taking the time to translate my statement into Serbian. Cheers. Adambro 21:01, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pa da

Da, preveo sam ostatak. OK, drago mi je da sam skapirao :D --filip ⁂ 06:38, 15 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

LOL. Mislio sam da je to bilo u nekom prenesenom znacenju. --filip ⁂ 19:30, 15 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

re:Thanks for corrections

ало, Millosh, нема на чему. Yes I am actually living in Vienna :) довиђења, --birdy geimfyglið _(:> )=| 22:45, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

Thank you for your Serbian translation ... (and sorry for late unreplied interview: I hope I manage it this week ...) --Aphaia 00:53, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User:Millosh/Lingua italiana

I fix your subpage ;) --.snoopy. AKA dario vet · (talk) 11:10, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I fixed some other little stuff ;). --Lucas 00:09, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Planet Wikimedia Serbian

As seen you have requested to maintain the configuration for the Serbian Planet. However first thing you need is to having the SVN commit access first. You can send an email to Brion or Tim, with your public key attached, tell them what the username you have chosen, and having your planet ready to run. :) Shinjiman 15:14, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hebrew translation for statistics

I updated the translation. – rotemliss – Talk 13:26, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Portuguese

I fix your subpage in portuguese. And, your bot can work in Wikinews in Portuguese, for statics. Regards. Alex Pereira ^falaê 11:20, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My steward election

Thank you for supporting my steward election having passed with 72-1-4-99%.Jusjih 01:54, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to vikipedye – װיקיפּעדיע,‎ vikiverterbukh – װיקיװערטערבוך and to vikibiblyotek – װיקיביבליאָטעק!‎

Dear Millosh! Thanks for creating accounts at vikipedye – װיקיפּעדיע,‎ vikiverterbukh – װיקיװערטערבוך and at vikibiblyotek – װיקיביבליאָטעק.‎ You are welcome to visit our IRC channel #kavehoyz. Best regards
‫·‏לערי ריינהארט‏·‏Th‏·‏T‏·‏email me‏·‏‬ 18:27, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please...

Hi, Millosh. This, especially the second paragraph, is not the tone we normally use here. Please be a little bit more polite and respectful to other users. --Thogo (talk) 23:19, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A contribution to your blog

Hi Millosh! I think an important document would be the text I wrote at about the time the Volapük Wikipedia grew noticeably, when some people criticized it. It was my original statement of intention, and even though certain things have changed, I think it is important for historical reasons to have it here. The link is: http://vo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gebanibespik:Smeira/Ragiv01 -- I've tried to add it to your blog, but for some reason if I hit the 'Submit' button nothing happens. Thanks! --Smeira 00:32, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My successful request for adminship

Thank you for supporting my request for adminship with 28 supports unopposed.--Jusjih 00:59, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Millbot

Please see Meta:Requests_for_adminship#Millbot which is getting stale. Do you still want this? Thanks. ++Lar: t/c 12:39, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fix

No prob. ;) Sorry me too for the slow reply. See you next time. --Lucas 16:10, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Board elections 2008

Hi Millosh,

The 2008 board elections will be in a few months (1 to 14 June) and the election committee is looking for people willing to translate the election pages into various languages. I noticed that you seem to be interested in Meta translations en>sr. Would you be available and interested in translating the board election pages into Serbian? I'm looking for at least two people per language so no one translator feels overwhelmed, so they can mutually proofread each other and help each other out as needed, but if only one is available that is fine as well. (To get an idea of how much work is involved you can take a look at last year's election pages.)

If you are not available or are not interested, it would be nice if you could point me in the direction of users who might be interested in helping, or show them this message.

Please contact me on my Meta page (User talk:Arria Belli), where you can write to me in either English, French, Spanish or Italian, whichever you feel most comfortable with.

Happy editing,

Arria Belli | parlami 01:07, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

help

Dear Millosh,

i need your help on how to creat a wikipedia using two scripts(alphabets) for tachelhit wikipedia

thank you very much.--Zanatos11 22:44, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

hi, you can take a look here and here

the first script we want to write the tachlhit wikipedia with is Tifinagh the full list of 33 character of tifinagh . and the second one is the latin one which contains latin alphabet in addtion to other greek characters (ɛ č ḍ ǧ ḥ ɣ ṭ ṣ ẓ and their majuscles Ɛ Č Ḍ Ǧ Ḥ Ɣ Ṣ Ṭ Ẓ)

and if you need more informations , please ask me .

and about purodha i wrote him in his talk page two months ago but i didn't get any answer from him.

thank you very much--Zanatos11 14:06, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

do you mean like this ? --Zanatos11 18:54, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I chose the third one ( to converse Capital letters in latin to their small ones equivalent in Tifinagh and arabic ) --Zanatos11 08:58, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]