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Just to mention that Mattisse wasn't long back from her block before Geogre (who left the project two months ago, so you'd think she might be done with him round about now) was again in her sights.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=315187981&oldid=315187077] I do not wish to personally discuss the matter further with Mattisse. And with the complexities of mentorship and monitoring, I'm not even sure who I ought to write to—I hope this page is allright. I certainly don't want to put a [[Klieg light]] of publicity on Mattisse. But I do want to make the mentors aware of this recent nastiness. And put a stop to it if possible. I believe Geogre, Giano, Bishonen are people Mattisse has most particularly been requested to not use for target practice. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 00:55, 21 September 2009 (UTC). |
Just to mention that Mattisse wasn't long back from her block before Geogre (who left the project two months ago, so you'd think she might be done with him round about now) was again in her sights.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=315187981&oldid=315187077] I do not wish to personally discuss the matter further with Mattisse. And with the complexities of mentorship and monitoring, I'm not even sure who I ought to write to—I hope this page is allright. I certainly don't want to put a [[Klieg light]] of publicity on Mattisse. But I do want to make the mentors aware of this recent nastiness. And put a stop to it if possible. I believe Geogre, Giano, Bishonen are people Mattisse has most particularly been requested to not use for target practice. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 00:55, 21 September 2009 (UTC). |
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:My comment was a true statement and not venomous. My heart goes out to other editors when I see them caught in exactly the same situation that I was regarding FAR nominations and the retribution that follows. I think it is only right to point out that this is a continuing situation situation that has not yet been dealt with by admins. FAR nominations of articles by that editor and retributions by specific protective editors continue. Please see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Unexplained_Admin_Abuse_by_User:KillerChihuahua_and_User:SlimVirgin Unexplained_Admin_Abuse_by_User:KillerChihuahua_and_User:SlimVirgin], also [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_review#Oroonoko FAR of Oroonoko] and the rest of the thread noted above on Giano for context.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Giano Giano] As I said, this problem continues unabated at FAR whenever an article by that editor is nominated. Other editors step into the FAR situation unaware and are attacked. Regards, —[[User:Mattisse|<font color="navy">'''mattisse'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Mattisse|Talk]]) 15:40, 21 September 2009 (UTC) |
:My comment was a true statement and not venomous. My heart goes out to other editors when I see them caught in exactly the same situation that I was regarding FAR nominations and the retribution that follows. I think it is only right to point out that this is a continuing situation situation that has not yet been dealt with by admins. FAR nominations of articles by that editor and retributions by specific protective editors continue. Please see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Unexplained_Admin_Abuse_by_User:KillerChihuahua_and_User:SlimVirgin Unexplained_Admin_Abuse_by_User:KillerChihuahua_and_User:SlimVirgin], also [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_review#Oroonoko FAR of Oroonoko] and the rest of the thread noted above on Giano for context.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Giano Giano] As I said, this problem continues unabated at FAR whenever an article by that editor is nominated. Other editors step into the FAR situation unaware and are attacked. Regards, —[[User:Mattisse|<font color="navy">'''mattisse'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Mattisse|Talk]]) 15:40, 21 September 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Thanks much for clarifying. [[User:KillerChihuahua|KillerChihuahua]]<small><sup>[[User talk:KillerChihuahua|?!?]]</sup>[[User:Heimstern/Ignoring incivility|Advice]]</small> 22:58, 22 September 2009 (UTC) |
:::Thanks much for clarifying. [[User:KillerChihuahua|KillerChihuahua]]<small><sup>[[User talk:KillerChihuahua|?!?]]</sup>[[User:Heimstern/Ignoring incivility|Advice]]</small> 22:58, 22 September 2009 (UTC) |
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:I agree with both of Newyorkbrad's comments, and have commented further on the talk page. In particular the points useful for learning purposes may well have been lost in the to-and-fro, and this thread lacks clarity of purpose and is not really distinguished from an article or user talk page discussion. ''[[User talk:Geometry guy|Geometry guy]]'' 23:02, 22 September 2009 (UTC) |
:I agree with both of Newyorkbrad's comments, and have commented further on the talk page. In particular the points useful for learning purposes may well have been lost in the to-and-fro, and this thread lacks clarity of purpose and is not really distinguished from an article or user talk page discussion. ''[[User talk:Geometry guy|Geometry guy]]'' 23:02, 22 September 2009 (UTC) |
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==Suggestion for KC== |
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Revision as of 23:09, 22 September 2009
“ | This page is a place for my advisers/mentors to monitor my problematic behavior, per User:Mattisse/Plan. I am expected to address all concerns raised here, and will continue to interact over any specific issue raised, until a satisfactory solution is reached acceptable to all. Until that point, I will not continue the behavior in question or continue interaction on whatever page/article it is occurring, unless OKed by YellowMonkey or Art LePella regarding FAR or DYK. —Mattisse (Talk) 15:53, 24 June 2009 (UTC) | ” |
Welcome to Mattisse's monitoring page, where editors can help Mattisse follow her plan, for instance by drawing early attention to situations where Mattisse may be heading into conflict with other editors. For more information on Mattisse's plan, see:
To raise an issue, please start a new section on this page. This page is primarily for alerts, although the talk page can be used for discussion with mentors and others. Advice intended directly for Mattisse is better placed on her user talk page.
- Active mentors/advisors
- Salix alba - admin
- John Carter - admin
- Philcha
- Geometry guy - admin
- SilkTork - admin
- RegentsPark - admin
- DYK
- User:Art LaPella has offered to report on Mattisse's contributions to DYK at my ArbCom > Workshop > Development of advising/mentoring plan.[1] Please contact him if my behavior at FAR is disruptive. He can be contacted if any of Mattisse's contributions to DYK are causing or are likely to cause disruption; this is not a substitute for alerting editors here. Notifying Art LePella was accepted by Arbcom as a monitoring method.
- FAR
- User:YellowMonkey has stated at my ArbCom > Workshop > Development of advising/mentoring plan > monitoring (under Art LaPella's statement) that he does not put up with unruly behavior at FAR.[2] He encouraged her continue participating in FAR.[3] He can be contacted if any of Mattisse's contributions to FAR are causing or are likely to cause disruption; this is not a substitute for alerting editors here. Notifying YellowMonkey was accepted by Arbcom as a monitoring method.
- GA
- Philcha and Geometry guy are active in the GA process. They can be alerted here if any of Mattisse's contributions to GAN or GAR are causing or are likely to cause disruption.
Alert
Matisse is advised not to comment on ANI regarding editors with whom she has a past unless her input is specifically requested/indicated. |
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The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it. |
Just to mention that Mattisse wasn't long back from her block before Geogre (who left the project two months ago, so you'd think she might be done with him round about now) was again in her sights.[4] I do not wish to personally discuss the matter further with Mattisse. And with the complexities of mentorship and monitoring, I'm not even sure who I ought to write to—I hope this page is allright. I certainly don't want to put a Klieg light of publicity on Mattisse. But I do want to make the mentors aware of this recent nastiness. And put a stop to it if possible. I believe Geogre, Giano, Bishonen are people Mattisse has most particularly been requested to not use for target practice. Bishonen | talk 00:55, 21 September 2009 (UTC).
Mattisse, my impressions from a very quick read of Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Giano are:
In short: focus on content, not editors; think about whether you need to get involved in a controverisal issue (IMO no need here, there was enough criticism of Giano's conduct); if you do get involved, focus on that specific incident, not previous conduct of the same persons or presumed allies of the same person. --Philcha (talk) 17:25, 21 September 2009 (UTC) Bishonen, I just checked the current version of ANI and your name does not appear there (I have not checked for any of your actual or alleged socks). It's unclear what the grounds for your complaint are against Mattisse. --Philcha (talk) 17:25, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
—mattisse (Talk) 18:59, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) Mattisse, while 'Venom Alert' may be a poor choice of heading, you should bear in mind that not only is it you, not Bishonen, who is on probation, but it is also the case that Bishonen was the target of your recent sock fiasco and he/she is unlikely to be kindly disposed toward you. My suggestion is that you not respond any further on this matter and, as always, avoid making comments on any editors anywhere. At this point, it seems to me that a single uncharitable comment on your part is escalating into something bigger. One should always aim to avoid that something bigger. --RegentsPark (sticks and stones) 17:27, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
I see little prospect of useful discussion in any continuation of this thread. Newyorkbrad (talk) 19:10, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
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Suggestion for KC
KillerChihuahua, if you have some comments about Mattisse's conduct, I suggest you start a new thread. We all know what the original title of this thread was. Please provide diffs, state what you think was wrong, and what you think Mattisse should have done instead. --Philcha (talk) 22:17, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you. If I do have such comments, I will do so. KillerChihuahua?!?Advice 22:49, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Suggestion for Philcha
- The diffs are above, and it's my view that Mattisse should stay far, FAR away from ANI and anything remotely related to those people whom she has feuded with in the past. Her participation there was very ill-advised, and your defense of her by critiquing the people who brought the reports didn't help at all. The title of this page is User:MATTISSE/Monitoring, and there should not be a shoot-the-messenger mentality when concerns are brought here. UnitAnode 22:53, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, could you clarify who this is addressed to, Unitanode? Thanks - KillerChihuahua?!?Advice 22:59, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
- It's addressed as a concern regarding Mattisse, per the request of Philcha. I have some real problems with how Philcha dealt with the concerns raised on this page. It's not helpful to Mattisse at all, and in some ways enables the persecution complex. UnitAnode 23:02, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
- I quite agree. Philcha has uniformly focused on attacking the messenger, and failed utterly to focus on Matisse. I have already suggested she remove herself from the list of monitors, as her behavior is completely inappropriate for mentoring someone under ArbCom restrictions. She is, unfortunately, enabling rather than helping. However, she seems deaf to concerns about her approach. This is a problem; I cannot say I see a very clear solution. I suggest Matisse ignore her advice as not likely to be beneficial; otherwise, I cannot think what might be a solution. I have taken the liberty of making a new heading, as your comment was not about me but was in a section where Philcha made a suggestion to me, and which was so titled. Please let me know if you prefer to refactor this. KillerChihuahua?!?Advice 23:06, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
- It's addressed as a concern regarding Mattisse, per the request of Philcha. I have some real problems with how Philcha dealt with the concerns raised on this page. It's not helpful to Mattisse at all, and in some ways enables the persecution complex. UnitAnode 23:02, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, could you clarify who this is addressed to, Unitanode? Thanks - KillerChihuahua?!?Advice 22:59, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
I have three suggestions:
- That the mentors get together and choose a chief mentor, as it were, or that one of them step forward to assume the role, and that that person coordinates complaints and responses, so that people know who is dealing with this.
- That in the interests of human dignity, this page be moved to the main mentor's userspace e.g. User:Philcha/mentoring, so that we don't have a title centered around watching Mattisse.
- That the mentors ask Mattisse to stay away entirely from issues related to Bishonen, Geogre, Giano, or people Mattisse perceives as related to them, and in particular never to comment in relation to their FAs or FARs. SlimVirgin talk|contribs 23:08, 22 September 2009 (UTC)