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* Agreed. Multiple slips would of course strain credulity, but Jaakobou's response seems fair. - [[User talk:2over0|2/0]] <small>([[Special:Contributions/2over0|cont.]])</small> 16:58, 21 April 2011 (UTC) |
* Agreed. Multiple slips would of course strain credulity, but Jaakobou's response seems fair. - [[User talk:2over0|2/0]] <small>([[Special:Contributions/2over0|cont.]])</small> 16:58, 21 April 2011 (UTC) |
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==Imalbornoz== |
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; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : ''[[User:Pfainuk|Pfainuk]]'' <small>''[[User Talk:Pfainuk|talk]]''</small> 21:01, 22 April 2011 (UTC) |
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#[[Talk:Gibraltar/Archive_22#Wot_Discussion.3F|A long discussion in which users repeatedly refuse requests to explain objections to proposed edits]], which is described by [[WP:DE]] as disruptively refusing to engage in the consensus-building process (January 2011). |
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#[[Talk:Gibraltar/Archive_22#Back_to_mediation|A long discussion in which users repeatedly refuse requests to explain objections to proposed edits]] (March 2011). |
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#[[Talk:Gibraltar#Explanation_for_Reverts|A long discussion in which users repeatedly refuse requests to explain objections to proposed edits]] (March 2011). |
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#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Gibraltar&diff=421529170&oldid=421518698 19:18, 30 March 2011] Wikilawyering over the precise definition of "prevalence". |
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#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Gibraltar&curid=298738&diff=425385208&oldid=425376669 19:18, 22 April 2011] Includes a direct accusation of bad faith against me (that I take my position purely through some kind embarrassment about the conduct of my country's soldiers 300 years ago, as opposed to the genuine concerns about the weight, neutrality and accuracy of certain points in the paragraph concerned that I have repeatedly expressed). |
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#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gibraltar&diff=425317563&oldid=424937557][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gibraltar&diff=425386175&oldid=425377088] Edit warring to a two-week old version of the article. |
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#Warned on [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Imalbornoz&diff=402621981&oldid=402556713 01:43, 16 December 2010] by {{user|Vassyana}} |
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#Warned on [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AGibraltar&action=historysubmit&diff=403069419&oldid=403064568 20:37, 18 December 2010] by {{user|Vassyana}} |
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#Warned on [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Gibraltar&diff=408068580&oldid=408066765 19:33, 15 January 2011] by {{user|Vassyana}} |
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Discretionary sanctions to be imposed on [[User:Imalbornoz]]. |
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This has proved a particularly intractable content dispute, but its intractability is made far worse by the fact that Imalbornoz (and fellow editor Richard Keatinge) have proven themselves unwilling to engage in the consensus-building process. You'll see several things in the discussions I linked above. There's [[WP:OWN]] violations (see the [[Talk:Gibraltar#OMG.2C_Wee_Curry_Monster_has_done_it_again.21.21.21.21.21|title of this section]] for a typical example - Curry Monster is essentially told that he is not allowed to be [[WP:BOLD]]). You will see in the discussions above lots of times when asked for objections, these editors cite lack of consensus consensus. When pushed, they state that things are "required", or "very notable and relevant" with no argument whatsoever backing that up. |
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It takes literally weeks of asking to get an argument ''of any kind'' objecting to any proposal - which would seem to be exactly the "roadblocking" that Vassanya described in the warnings provided. And even then it is generally couched in the sort of bad faith accusations that you saw in the diff from this evening. |
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Today, Imalbornoz has twice reverted a work in progress because, he said, the [[Great Siege of Gibraltar]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AGibraltar&action=historysubmit&diff=425317659&oldid=425075312 took up one third of the history scetion]. That was the only objection expressed. Never mind that it was very much a work in progress and that the Great Siege would not have been a third of the length in the end (and Imalbornoz had been told that). Never mind that the Great Siege was one of the most significant things to have happened to Gibraltar in the last three hundred years (and thus given lots and lots of weight by reliable sources), and that the reverts remove it from the article altogether. |
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Note in that diff that there is no constructive criticism. It's all about "[w]hat I think isn't reasonable at all is WC Monster's current History section" and "[s]omeone should convince WC Monster to be reasonable". This is entirely typical of the sorts of responses we get. The article is at a standstill because of this egregious "roadblocking", and I and Curry Monster have asked repeatedly that it stop. |
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For me, that accusation of bad faith this evening was the straw that broke the camel's back. Even taken alone, this is something that I should not have to put up with on an article under Arbcom discretionary sanctions, particularly when the editor concerned has been warned under those sanctions. But I believe the above demonstrates that it is not the only problem with this editor's behaviour here. As such, I would now like to ask that discretionary sanctions be applied. |
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Note that I will be going away on Sunday for a week, and during that time will almost certainly not respond to discussion. Note also that Curry Monster has a bereavement to deal with at the moment. |
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===Discussion concerning Imalbornoz=== |
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Jaakobou
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Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Jaakobou
Block or topic ban
Jaakobou has not edited the Gaza War page since early May 2009. Shortly after I edit the page the user reverts my edit. WP:IBAN specifies that if editors X and Y have an IBAN in place, editor X may not undo editor Y's edits to any page (whether by use of the revert function or by other means).
Discussion concerning JaakobouStatement by JaakobouI had realised the error a split second after pressing the 'save' button (to fix an issue of deleted content) and immediately clicked the 'stop' button on the browser. I refreshed the history page a number of times and also opened my user contribution page to make sure that the edit did not take place -- or, in the case that it had, in order to revert myself. Both pages showed that the 'stop' has successfully stopped my edit and I had no alternative but to assume I had successfully avoided possible drama. I would have reverted it then had it appeared on my browser and would have reverted it now, but it was already reverted. I have no plans on reverting or creating any IBAN issues regardless if I feel that content has been removed or any other issue. Apologies to everyone involved -- this will NOT happen again. JaakobouChalk Talk 15:02, 21 April 2011 (UTC) +fix 15:04, 21 April 2011 (UTC) +declaration of intent. 15:08, 21 April 2011 (UTC) + shorter, better 15:12, 21 April 2011 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning JaakobouResult concerning Jaakobou
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Imalbornoz
Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.
Request concerning Imalbornoz
- User against whom enforcement is requested
- Imalbornoz (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Sanction or remedy to be enforced
- Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gibraltar#Discretionary_sanctions
- Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
- A long discussion in which users repeatedly refuse requests to explain objections to proposed edits, which is described by WP:DE as disruptively refusing to engage in the consensus-building process (January 2011).
- A long discussion in which users repeatedly refuse requests to explain objections to proposed edits (March 2011).
- A long discussion in which users repeatedly refuse requests to explain objections to proposed edits (March 2011).
- 19:18, 30 March 2011 Wikilawyering over the precise definition of "prevalence".
- 19:18, 22 April 2011 Includes a direct accusation of bad faith against me (that I take my position purely through some kind embarrassment about the conduct of my country's soldiers 300 years ago, as opposed to the genuine concerns about the weight, neutrality and accuracy of certain points in the paragraph concerned that I have repeatedly expressed).
- [1][2] Edit warring to a two-week old version of the article.
- Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)
- Warned on 01:43, 16 December 2010 by Vassyana (talk · contribs)
- Warned on 20:37, 18 December 2010 by Vassyana (talk · contribs)
- Warned on 19:33, 15 January 2011 by Vassyana (talk · contribs)
- Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)
Discretionary sanctions to be imposed on User:Imalbornoz.
- Additional comments by editor filing complaint
This has proved a particularly intractable content dispute, but its intractability is made far worse by the fact that Imalbornoz (and fellow editor Richard Keatinge) have proven themselves unwilling to engage in the consensus-building process. You'll see several things in the discussions I linked above. There's WP:OWN violations (see the title of this section for a typical example - Curry Monster is essentially told that he is not allowed to be WP:BOLD). You will see in the discussions above lots of times when asked for objections, these editors cite lack of consensus consensus. When pushed, they state that things are "required", or "very notable and relevant" with no argument whatsoever backing that up.
It takes literally weeks of asking to get an argument of any kind objecting to any proposal - which would seem to be exactly the "roadblocking" that Vassanya described in the warnings provided. And even then it is generally couched in the sort of bad faith accusations that you saw in the diff from this evening.
Today, Imalbornoz has twice reverted a work in progress because, he said, the Great Siege of Gibraltar took up one third of the history scetion. That was the only objection expressed. Never mind that it was very much a work in progress and that the Great Siege would not have been a third of the length in the end (and Imalbornoz had been told that). Never mind that the Great Siege was one of the most significant things to have happened to Gibraltar in the last three hundred years (and thus given lots and lots of weight by reliable sources), and that the reverts remove it from the article altogether.
Note in that diff that there is no constructive criticism. It's all about "[w]hat I think isn't reasonable at all is WC Monster's current History section" and "[s]omeone should convince WC Monster to be reasonable". This is entirely typical of the sorts of responses we get. The article is at a standstill because of this egregious "roadblocking", and I and Curry Monster have asked repeatedly that it stop.
For me, that accusation of bad faith this evening was the straw that broke the camel's back. Even taken alone, this is something that I should not have to put up with on an article under Arbcom discretionary sanctions, particularly when the editor concerned has been warned under those sanctions. But I believe the above demonstrates that it is not the only problem with this editor's behaviour here. As such, I would now like to ask that discretionary sanctions be applied.
Note that I will be going away on Sunday for a week, and during that time will almost certainly not respond to discussion. Note also that Curry Monster has a bereavement to deal with at the moment.
- Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
Discussion concerning Imalbornoz
Statement by Imalbornoz
Comments by others about the request concerning Imalbornoz
Result concerning Imalbornoz
- This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.