Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Denzo Ishizaki

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. The main argument presented for deletion is that the AP article is unlinked - however this does not make it unverifiable - WP:RS does not say that all sources have to be available on the Internet. If someone had read the AP article and were able to confirm that the details in that do not verify the article contents, then I'd be more inclined towards deletion, but the source would appear to be a valid one which could theoretically be verified should someone be willing to make the effort to do so. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 05:59, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Denzo Ishizaki

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Continuing nominations of nonnotable supercentenarians with no more than one reliable source per WT:WOP#Common deletion outcomes. I intend that, during discussion, any article supporters either find sources or merge sourced material to deal with the indisputable WP:GNG failure (the requirement of multiple reliable sources); without either of these actions, bare "keep" votes will not address that failure. I also intend that any who disagree with the WT:WOP proposal, which affirms GNG for deletion of these articles, should comment at that link. Article-specific details with my !vote below. JJB 05:39, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

• Delete as nom 6-sentence article completely about unverifiable longevity OR/SYN. Sources are unreliable OHB, and one unlinked (131-word) AP article not likely to support most of the WP article. Nonnotability and citation lack already tagged in article since 11/2007. JJB 05:39, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. -- Jclemens-public (talk) 07:10, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
• Delete The article's only source is an unlinked 131-word AP article, which does not establish notability. Inclusion in lists is sufficient. Neptune5000 (talk) 05:48, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
• Delete One unverifiable link, which is unlikely to carry all, or even most, of the "facts" in the article. The external link to the OHB list establishes, on its face, that it is not a reliable source as that term is defined on en.wikipedia. It says, in an introductory disclaimer, "These statistics were provided by Louis Epstein. Comments and corrections are welcome." It's hosted here on a site called recordholders.org. So Louis Epstein caused statistics that may need correction to appear on some kind of "record holders" web page. C'mon. Who argues in good faith that a wikipedia article should be based on one unverifiable, unlinked 131-word AP article and an external link to an advertisedly flawed list hosted on a site that looks like this?! I mean who with a lick of sense, anyway? David in DC (talk) 22:49, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
• Keep Was Japan’s oldest person and world’s oldest man. A notable person. Amply documented. — Cam46136 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cam46136 (talk • contribs) 13:00, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
  • Where? David in DC (talk) 01:38, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%9F%B3%E5%B4%8E%E4%BC%9D%E8%94%B5 http://spysee.jp/%E7%9F%B3%E5%B4%8E%E4%BC%9D%E8%94%B5/50481/ http://r25.yahoo.co.jp/keyword/detail/?kw=%E7%9F%B3%E5%B4%8E%E4%BC%9D%E8%94%B5 http://talent.yahoo.co.jp/pf/detail/pp246275 etc etc Cam46136 (talk) 03:27, 12 December 2010 (UTC)Cam46136

• • • None of these are reliable sources. You can't cite to another language wikipedia. Spysee and Yahoo! are archetypes of what is not a reliable source. If there are reliable sources, you should rescue the article with them. But none of these qualify. David in DC (talk) 14:46, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

• Keep. As Japan's oldest person AND the world's oldest man, Denzo Ishizaki qualifies TWICE for notability.

Notability is established by outside sources, not your opinion of longevity.

As noted earlier, DavidinDC has a COI as he was recruited/canvassed to these deletion efforts by JJBulten, who also "self-voted" for his own nomination, another COI.

There is INTERNATIONAL coverage of this case. In fact, this article should have been tagged for sources first, to give people time to look for them. This is just another bad-faith edit by JJBulten. Note also that JJ nominated a lot of articles on December 5 and posted the same message on each one, another violation of WP AFD policy which suggests that each article for deletion should be judged individually.Ryoung122 05:17, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Ryoung122 05:17, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Maude_Farris-Luse

in this article you can see that David in dc can change his mind sometimes and so did another editor, because of reliable sources, so you cant be too hard on David in dc, hes not totally bias, in fact hes really quite friendly when you look past his opposing views on most of these afds. Longevitydude (talk) 12:32, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

• Keep He was the world's oldest man. Longevitydude (talk) 12:33, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.