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List of deaths at the Berlin Wall

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Nominator(s): violet/riga _^[talk] 22:58, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

A recently created article but I believe it now covers the topic in sufficient depth to meet FL criteria. I can't see any significant gaps in the content.

Regarding the criteria:

1. Prose: Written by two people and copy-edited by others, I believe it to be of a high enough standard.
2. Lead: I think that the lead covers the topic well without going into too much detail.
3. Comprehensiveness: The list is fixed at 136 entries and this covers them all.
4. Structure: The table is sortable on six of the seven columns.
5. Style:
   • It looks quite nice and the charts give a good representation of the information. Only list items with articles are linked.
   • Lots of appropriate images throughout the text, all of which should have decent captions. The images used within the list are the only free ones that I know to be available; an agreement with the ZZF to use their images would be nice but difficult to obtain.
6. Stability: No edit wars; the content is not likely to change significantly.

violet/riga _^[talk] 22:58, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Comments

Very interesting topic. Some observations...

1. First para says 136 deaths. Second says 98. I immediately wonder about the other 38 but have to get well into the main section to figure it out. So I suggest a short clause or sentence in the lead about what's up with the other 38.
2. I think event details does not need to be sortable, there's no standard schema to such a field.
3. Consider putting footnotes in event details rather than by the name or in a separate column. You may want to see what others think of this.
4. What exactly does "no intention" mean? Seems to mean different things, such as accident, wandering too close to the Wall, etc. Perhaps make this more specific to the incident.
5. Herbert Mende died SIX YEARS after being shot and the cause was being shot?
6. Refs are inconsistent. Some have access dates, some don't (refs 1 and 5 for example). All web refs should have access dates.
7. Ref 21 seems to be a book. Pages used should be listed.

PumpkinSky talk 23:23, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

1. I have now clarified the lead.
2. I ensured that the first word was the keyword (such as 'shot' or 'drowned') so hopefully it does have some use
3. I believe all footnotes are in the Event details column. If you mean references, then I thought it wise to have it next to the name to show that the individual is referenced rather than just one part of their story. A further column might work but would probably make the table too wide.
4. I have clarified what the Role column means. I believe that most if not all are detailed in the Event details column with supporting footnotes where necessary.
5. Complications from being shot - that's what the researchers concluded.
6. Refs should hopefully all be consistent now including access dates for all web refs.
7. (now Ref 20) That was added by someone else and I do not have access to the book - hopefully it can be added.

violet/riga _^[talk] 00:21, 1 September 2011 (UTC)