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'''Jean-Baptiste Carpeaux''' ([[May 11]], [[1827]], [[Valenciennes]] –[[October 12]], [[1875]], [[Courbevoie]]) was a French sculptor and painter. His early studies were under [[François Rude]]. Carpeaux won the [[Prix de Rome]] in [[1854]], and moving to [[Rome]] to find inspiration, he there studied the works of [[Michelangelo Buonarroti|Michelangelo]], [[Donatello]] and [[Andrea del Verrocchio|Verrocchio]]. Staying in Rome from [[1854]] to [[1861]], he obtained a taste for movement and spontaneity, which he joined with the great principles of [[baroque art]]. In [[1861]] he made a bust of [[Mathilde Bonaparte|Princess Mathilde]], and this later brought him several commissions from [[Napoleon III]]. He worked at the pavilion of [[Flora (goddess)|Flora]], and the [[Opéra Garnier]]. His group La Danse (the Dance, [[1869]]), situated on the right side of the façade, was criticised as an offence to common decency. |
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== IPA please == |
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Could someone who is familiar with [[IPA]] add the pronouciation for Toshiko Sato and her nickname (TOsh, not Toh-sh)? Thanks. --[[User:GracieLizzie|GracieLizzie]] 13:44, 26 October 2006 (UTC) |
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:Actually is it just me or is the Tosh nickname pronouciation a pretty bad mangling given how her name should be pronouced under the rules of Japanese pronouciation? Shouldn't it be "toh-she-ko sa-toh"? --[[User:GracieLizzie|GracieLizzie]] 13:52, 26 October 2006 (UTC) |
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::Thanks [[User:Smurrayinchester|Smurrayinchester]] ^_^. --[[User:GracieLizzie|GracieLizzie]] 14:32, 26 October 2006 (UTC) |
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:::I'm familiar with [[Japanese]] and the IPA, so... firstly, I don't understand why the Japanese is rendered using トシ子 for Toshiko - the first two symbols are generally used for foreign words, or emphasis, and indicate pronunciation ([[katakana]]). The second is a [[kanji]] (former Chinese character) for 'ko', correctly, but these two types of writing are not usually mixed. However, this is how it is on the website referenced in the article, so I don't propose changing it. 'Toshiko' is more properly written in kanji as 敏子 (toshi-ko) and in [[hiragana]] (a script indicating Japanese pronunciation) as としこ (to-shi-ko). Also (linguist's hat on now) [[User:GracieLizzie|GracieLizzie]] is right that 'Tosh' is a bit weird, since to English-native ears, Japanese 'Toshiko' would sound like 'to-she-ko' or just 'toeshko'. However, it's still possible as in English there is a rule that says that long vowels such as the last in 'photo' can become like the vowel in 'Tosh', i.e. in 'photography', the second vowel of 'photo' is now both shortened and pronounced differently ([[tenseness]]). When English words containing so-called 'long' vowels are abbreviated, this results in 'shortening'. Think of how the north-east of England word 'charva' is shortened to '[[chav]]' - the vowels differ in length and tongue position. [[User:Jsteph|Jsteph]] 05:03, 1 December 2006 (UTC) |
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He never managed to finish his last work, the famous Fountain of the Four Parts of the Earth, on the Place Camille Jullian. He did finish the terrestrial globe, supported by the four figures of [[Asia]], [[Europe]], [[North America|America]] and [[Africa]], and it was [[Emmanuel Frémiet]] who completed the work by adding the eight leaping horses, the tortoises and the dolphins of the basin. |
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== Sculptures by Carpeaux == |
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==Unsourced statement== |
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* Ugolin et ses fils - [[Ugolino della Gherardesca|Ugolino]] and his Sons (1861, in the permanent collection of the [[Metropolitan Museum of Art]])[[http://www.insecula.com/oeuvre/photo_ME0000009025.html]] with versions in other museums including the [[Musée d'Orsay]] |
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Both she and Harkness have met the Ninth Doctor, but it is uncertain whether they are aware of the other's meeting with him. |
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* The Dance (commissioned for the [[Palais Garnier|Opera Garnier]]) |
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* Jeune pêcheur à la coquille - [[Naples|Neapolitan]] Fisherboy - in the [[Louvre]], [[Paris]] [[http://www.insecula.com/oeuvre/photo_ME0000034255.html]] |
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* Girl with Shell |
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* [[Antoine Watteau]] monument, [[Valenciennes]] |
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==Neapolitan Fisherboy== |
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SOURCE?????????? <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:86.137.228.2|86.137.228.2]] ([[User talk:86.137.228.2|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/86.137.228.2|contribs]]) 05:51, November 6, 2006 (UTC{{{3|}}})</small> |
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:You can observe so by simply watching the shows. Toshiko meets him in [[Aliens of London]], Jack obviously is a former companion, and they haven't been shown to ask each other "Hey did you ever meet a Northern guy with big ears and with massive alien expertise who wears a leather jacket?" so we can tell the above statement is true because of these observations. --[[User:GracieLizzie|GracieLizzie]] 10:08, 6 November 2006 (UTC) |
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Carpeaux submitted a plaster version of ''Pêcheur napolitain à la coquille'', the Neapolitan Fisherboy, to the [[French Academy]] while a student in [[Rome]]. He carved the marble version several years later, showing it in the Salon exhibition of 1863. It was purchased for [[Napoleon III]]'s empress, [[Eugénie de Montijo|Eugènie]]. The statue of the young smiling boy was very popular, and Carpeaux created a number of reproductions and variations in marble and bronze. There is a copy, for instance, in the Samuel H. Kress Collection in the [[National Gallery of Art]] in [[Washington D.C.]] |
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== Kiss citation == |
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Some years later, he carved the Girl with a Shell, a very similar study. |
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I wasn't sure how to cite Toshi's kiss with the blonde woman, but it's from the HD trailer. You can see it at YouTube [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg7V1AzK_V4 here], but of course that's a copyvio. Anyone know when or where that originally aired? —[[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] <small>([[User talk:Josiah Rowe|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Josiah Rowe|contribs]])</small> 18:41, 6 November 2006 (UTC) |
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Carpeaux sought real life subjects in the streets and broke with the classical tradition. The Neapolitan Fisherboy's body is carved in intimate detail and shows an intricately balanced pose. Carpeaux claimed that he based the Neapolitan Fisherboy on a boy he had seen during a trip to [[Naples]]. |
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=="Looking for a woman"== |
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Would anyone mind if we lost this? After all, we now have much better evidence of her sexuality, and it's completely obvious she's talking about trying to find Carys. [[User:Daibhid C|Daibhid C]] 15:33, 27 November 2006 (UTC) |
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==External links== |
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==Validity of Statements== |
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*[http://cartelfr.louvre.fr/cartelfr/visite?srv=rs_display_res&critere=jean+baptiste+carpeaux&operator=AND&nbToDisplay=5&langue=fr A page on the official Louvre site giving access to some of Carpeaux's works (French language only)] |
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Why is the Torchwood website being used on this page, (and other Torchwood pages for that matter), as 'proof' of facts - surely its place in the canon is subject to question as tie-in novels are for ''[[Doctor Who]]'', for example? It is a website made for the fans, not something seen in the programme. It really shouldn't be offered as proof of facts. [[User:Wolf of Fenric|Wolf of Fenric]] 00:06, 29 November 2006 (UTC) |
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*[http://www.insecula.com/contact/A005511_oeuvre_1.html A page from insecula.com listing more views of Carpeaux's works (also in French;] it may be necessary to close an advertising window to view this page) |
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:Hmm, I see what you mean but it is produced by the BBC themselves... and is the source for most of our information. The canonicity comment should be included I suppose but I do consider the Torchwood.org as close to canon as the spin-off media can get if you ask me.--[[User:GracieLizzie|GracieLizzie]] 00:14, 29 November 2006 (UTC) |
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*[http://www.studiolo.org/MMA-Ugolino/Ugolino.htm A page analysing Carpeaux's ''Ugolino'', with numerous illustrations] |
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[[Category:French sculptors|Carpeaux, Jean-Baptiste]] |
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==Her name in Japanese== |
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[[Category:1827 births|Carpeaux, Jean-Baptiste]] |
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[[Category:1875 deaths|Carpeaux, Jean-Baptiste]] |
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"Toshiko" is written as "トシ子" on the Torchwood site [http://www.torchwood.org.uk/html/alien_vs_human/letter.shtml], and I'm unaware of any source where her name is rendered as "俊子". Either is a plausible way to write "Toshiko" in Japanese, but the first is semi-canonical, and the second (so far as I can tell) is not. With respect to [[User:Jsteph|Jsteph]]'s comments, it's fairly common for a female Japanese given name to consist of a couple of syllables in katakana followed by "-ko" ("子") in kanji. [[User:202.94.132.16|202.94.132.16]] 15:43, 11 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Jean-Baptiste Carpeaux (May 11, 1827, Valenciennes –October 12, 1875, Courbevoie) was a French sculptor and painter. His early studies were under François Rude. Carpeaux won the Prix de Rome in 1854, and moving to Rome to find inspiration, he there studied the works of Michelangelo, Donatello and Verrocchio. Staying in Rome from 1854 to 1861, he obtained a taste for movement and spontaneity, which he joined with the great principles of baroque art. In 1861 he made a bust of Princess Mathilde, and this later brought him several commissions from Napoleon III. He worked at the pavilion of Flora, and the Opéra Garnier. His group La Danse (the Dance, 1869), situated on the right side of the façade, was criticised as an offence to common decency.
He never managed to finish his last work, the famous Fountain of the Four Parts of the Earth, on the Place Camille Jullian. He did finish the terrestrial globe, supported by the four figures of Asia, Europe, America and Africa, and it was Emmanuel Frémiet who completed the work by adding the eight leaping horses, the tortoises and the dolphins of the basin.
Sculptures by Carpeaux
- Ugolin et ses fils - Ugolino and his Sons (1861, in the permanent collection of the Metropolitan Museum of Art)[[1]] with versions in other museums including the Musée d'Orsay
- The Dance (commissioned for the Opera Garnier)
- Jeune pêcheur à la coquille - Neapolitan Fisherboy - in the Louvre, Paris [[2]]
- Girl with Shell
- Antoine Watteau monument, Valenciennes
Neapolitan Fisherboy
Carpeaux submitted a plaster version of Pêcheur napolitain à la coquille, the Neapolitan Fisherboy, to the French Academy while a student in Rome. He carved the marble version several years later, showing it in the Salon exhibition of 1863. It was purchased for Napoleon III's empress, Eugènie. The statue of the young smiling boy was very popular, and Carpeaux created a number of reproductions and variations in marble and bronze. There is a copy, for instance, in the Samuel H. Kress Collection in the National Gallery of Art in Washington D.C.
Some years later, he carved the Girl with a Shell, a very similar study.
Carpeaux sought real life subjects in the streets and broke with the classical tradition. The Neapolitan Fisherboy's body is carved in intimate detail and shows an intricately balanced pose. Carpeaux claimed that he based the Neapolitan Fisherboy on a boy he had seen during a trip to Naples.
External links
- A page on the official Louvre site giving access to some of Carpeaux's works (French language only)
- A page from insecula.com listing more views of Carpeaux's works (also in French; it may be necessary to close an advertising window to view this page)
- A page analysing Carpeaux's Ugolino, with numerous illustrations