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'''Jean-Baptiste Carpeaux''' ([[May 11]], [[1827]], [[Valenciennes]] –[[October 12]], [[1875]], [[Courbevoie]]) was a French sculptor and painter. His early studies were under [[François Rude]]. Carpeaux won the [[Prix de Rome]] in [[1854]], and moving to [[Rome]] to find inspiration, he there studied the works of [[Michelangelo Buonarroti|Michelangelo]], [[Donatello]] and [[Andrea del Verrocchio|Verrocchio]]. Staying in Rome from [[1854]] to [[1861]], he obtained a taste for movement and spontaneity, which he joined with the great principles of [[baroque art]]. In [[1861]] he made a bust of [[Mathilde Bonaparte|Princess Mathilde]], and this later brought him several commissions from [[Napoleon III]]. He worked at the pavilion of [[Flora (goddess)|Flora]], and the [[Opéra Garnier]]. His group La Danse (the Dance, [[1869]]), situated on the right side of the façade, was criticised as an offence to common decency.
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He never managed to finish his last work, the famous Fountain of the Four Parts of the Earth, on the Place Camille Jullian. He did finish the terrestrial globe, supported by the four figures of [[Asia]], [[Europe]], [[North America|America]] and [[Africa]], and it was [[Emmanuel Frémiet]] who completed the work by adding the eight leaping horses, the tortoises and the dolphins of the basin.
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== Sculptures by Carpeaux ==
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* Ugolin et ses fils - [[Ugolino della Gherardesca|Ugolino]] and his Sons (1861, in the permanent collection of the [[Metropolitan Museum of Art]])[[http://www.insecula.com/oeuvre/photo_ME0000009025.html]] with versions in other museums including the [[Musée d'Orsay]]
== random ==
* The Dance (commissioned for the [[Palais Garnier|Opera Garnier]])
* Jeune pêcheur à la coquille - [[Naples|Neapolitan]] Fisherboy - in the [[Louvre]], [[Paris]] [[http://www.insecula.com/oeuvre/photo_ME0000034255.html]]
* Girl with Shell
* [[Antoine Watteau]] monument, [[Valenciennes]]


==Neapolitan Fisherboy==
How random is random? When I comment on usernames I think about how hard they'd be for to remember and distinguish from other names - is this acceptable? [[User:DanBeale|<span style="color:yellow;background:black; ">Dan Beale</span>]] 15:55, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
:Yes, that's fine. But you have to remember, what might be distinguishable or memorable for you might not be the same for someone else. For instance, I can never remember [[User:Raul654|Raul654]]'s numbers, although it is very simple for most. I seem to always forget it. And User:Dragonsflight, or Dragons Flight, or Dragon's flight, or whatever it actually is. I just can't seem to get it straight. You are welcome to comment on your opinion, but others may disagree. Hope this helps. Mahalo. --[[User:Ali'i|Ali&#39;i]] 16:05, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
::Is my name easy enough to distinguish? :) Random is usually considered over 5-6 letters that have no meaning or pattern (ie. kfslfg, which I just made by tapping some keys). Another random one would be something like Bob98375935). Usually 4 random things are fine. --[[User:R|'''R''']] <sup>[[User_talk:R|Parlate]]</sup><small>[[Special:Contributions/R|Contribs]]<sub>[[Special:Emailuser/R|@]]</sub> (Let's Go Yankees!)</small> 23:16, 4 June 2007 (UTC)


Carpeaux submitted a plaster version of ''Pêcheur napolitain à la coquille'', the Neapolitan Fisherboy, to the [[French Academy]] while a student in [[Rome]]. He carved the marble version several years later, showing it in the Salon exhibition of 1863. It was purchased for [[Napoleon III]]'s empress, [[Eugénie de Montijo|Eugènie]]. The statue of the young smiling boy was very popular, and Carpeaux created a number of reproductions and variations in marble and bronze. There is a copy, for instance, in the Samuel H. Kress Collection in the [[National Gallery of Art]] in [[Washington D.C.]]
== Non-Latin yet again ==


Some years later, he carved the Girl with a Shell, a very similar study.
Let's not stick to process please (''this user closed early'' or ''that user posted after it closed'' etc) or we're getting nowhere with this. I am assuming everybody strives for the best, so here are my considerations:


Carpeaux sought real life subjects in the streets and broke with the classical tradition. The Neapolitan Fisherboy's body is carved in intimate detail and shows an intricately balanced pose. Carpeaux claimed that he based the Neapolitan Fisherboy on a boy he had seen during a trip to [[Naples]].
#Non-Latin usernames allowed clearly by [[WP:U]] mainly because of [[m:Help:Unified login]] (which would otherwise be rendered useless)
#Naturally very few people on earth have the capacity of reading '''all''' scripts, so there are bound to be unintelligible usernames (for most/many/some/few --doesn't matter)


==External links==
Solution which is already foreseen: WP:U asks politely to tweak signature to Latin.


*[http://cartelfr.louvre.fr/cartelfr/visite?srv=rs_display_res&critere=jean+baptiste+carpeaux&operator=AND&nbToDisplay=5&langue=fr A page on the official Louvre site giving access to some of Carpeaux's works (French language only)]
IMHO the above solution is insufficient, and creates lots of windows for numerous trolls. It also makes it hard for users to locate a username which they cannot type.
*[http://www.insecula.com/contact/A005511_oeuvre_1.html A page from insecula.com listing more views of Carpeaux's works (also in French;] it may be necessary to close an advertising window to view this page)
*[http://www.studiolo.org/MMA-Ugolino/Ugolino.htm A page analysing Carpeaux's ''Ugolino'', with numerous illustrations]


[[Category:French sculptors|Carpeaux, Jean-Baptiste]]
'''Proposed Solution:'''
[[Category:1827 births|Carpeaux, Jean-Baptiste]]
*[[WP:U]] to clearly state '''mandatory Latin sigs''' with either a)the transliteration or b)translation of the foreign username.
[[Category:1875 deaths|Carpeaux, Jean-Baptiste]]
*[[WP:U]] to clearly require a '''mandatory Latin user redirect''' of the same signed name to the foreign userpage.


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That, proposed by a [[Greek alphabet|Greek]]. (Copying to [[WT:U]] shortly and encouraging discussion there -not here). [[User:NikoSilver|Niko]][[User talk:N!|Silver]] 00:15, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
[[fr:Jean-Baptiste Carpeaux]]

[[nl:Jean-Baptiste Carpeaux]]
<s>== non latin ==
[[pl:Jean-Baptiste Carpeaux]]

[[pt:Jean-Baptiste Carpeaux]]
The user name policy is clear: non latin chars are allowed. But some people here seem to think that other parts of policy are stronger, especially things like non-random, non-confusing etc. How should people proceed, by comments here, or by comments on the policy page? If very many people here think the policy is not working correctly then can they IAR? [[User:DanBeale|<span style="color:yellow;background:black; ">Dan Beale</span>]] 00:16, 9 June 2007 (UTC)</s>
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:[[WT:U]] [[User:Ryan Postlethwaite|'''<font color="#000088">Ry<font color="#220066">an<font color="#550044"> P<font color="#770022">os<font color="#aa0000">tl</font>et</font>hw</font>ai</font>te</font>''']] 00:17, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

== Tag as historical ==
This page is now a joke, we have people complaining left right and centre on any closure of debate. I can assure you I could come to a good policy descision on any username that comes through here, without the need to mass discussion by people. The page is once again turning into a vote and that's why users are getting annoyed when it doesn't go their way. I propose we tag this page as histrocial, UAA can deal with 95% of the usernames that come here - if it's not blatant enough to be blocked by UAA, then let it edit, if there needs to be a discussion, it can happen at AN/I. [[User:Ryan Postlethwaite|'''<font color="#000088">Ry<font color="#220066">an<font color="#550044"> P<font color="#770022">os<font color="#aa0000">tl</font>et</font>hw</font>ai</font>te</font>''']] 21:20, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
:I second this vote. --[[User:Kukini|'''<font color="#885500">K<font color="#bb8800">u<font color="#eebb00">k</font>i</font>ni</font>''']] <sup> [[User talk:kukini|hablame aqui]]</sup> 21:22, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
::Good idea. And maybe we should add the originally discussed proposal of a discussion section at UAA. --<small>([[Wikipedia:Editor review/R|Review Me]])</small> [[User:R|'''R''']] <sup>[[User_talk:R|Parlate]]</sup><small>[[Special:Contributions/R|Contribs]]<sub>[[Special:Emailuser/R|@]]</sub>(Let's Go Yankees!)</small> 21:23, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
:::This is the problem, we don't need discussion, if its blatant, it will get blocked, if not - then it can edit. AN/I can be used to discuss the major disputes. [[User:Ryan Postlethwaite|'''<font color="#000088">Ry<font color="#220066">an<font color="#550044"> P<font color="#770022">os<font color="#aa0000">tl</font>et</font>hw</font>ai</font>te</font>''']] 21:25, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

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Jean-Baptiste Carpeaux's marble sculpture 'Ugolino and his Sons', Metropolitan Museum of Art
La Danse (The Dance), Opera Garnier in Paris
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Jean-Baptiste Carpeaux (May 11, 1827, Valenciennes –October 12, 1875, Courbevoie) was a French sculptor and painter. His early studies were under François Rude. Carpeaux won the Prix de Rome in 1854, and moving to Rome to find inspiration, he there studied the works of Michelangelo, Donatello and Verrocchio. Staying in Rome from 1854 to 1861, he obtained a taste for movement and spontaneity, which he joined with the great principles of baroque art. In 1861 he made a bust of Princess Mathilde, and this later brought him several commissions from Napoleon III. He worked at the pavilion of Flora, and the Opéra Garnier. His group La Danse (the Dance, 1869), situated on the right side of the façade, was criticised as an offence to common decency.

He never managed to finish his last work, the famous Fountain of the Four Parts of the Earth, on the Place Camille Jullian. He did finish the terrestrial globe, supported by the four figures of Asia, Europe, America and Africa, and it was Emmanuel Frémiet who completed the work by adding the eight leaping horses, the tortoises and the dolphins of the basin.

Sculptures by Carpeaux

Neapolitan Fisherboy

Carpeaux submitted a plaster version of Pêcheur napolitain à la coquille, the Neapolitan Fisherboy, to the French Academy while a student in Rome. He carved the marble version several years later, showing it in the Salon exhibition of 1863. It was purchased for Napoleon III's empress, Eugènie. The statue of the young smiling boy was very popular, and Carpeaux created a number of reproductions and variations in marble and bronze. There is a copy, for instance, in the Samuel H. Kress Collection in the National Gallery of Art in Washington D.C.

Some years later, he carved the Girl with a Shell, a very similar study.

Carpeaux sought real life subjects in the streets and broke with the classical tradition. The Neapolitan Fisherboy's body is carved in intimate detail and shows an intricately balanced pose. Carpeaux claimed that he based the Neapolitan Fisherboy on a boy he had seen during a trip to Naples.

External links

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