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'''Jean-Baptiste Carpeaux''' ([[May 11]], [[1827]], [[Valenciennes]] –[[October 12]], [[1875]], [[Courbevoie]]) was a French sculptor and painter. His early studies were under [[François Rude]]. Carpeaux won the [[Prix de Rome]] in [[1854]], and moving to [[Rome]] to find inspiration, he there studied the works of [[Michelangelo Buonarroti|Michelangelo]], [[Donatello]] and [[Andrea del Verrocchio|Verrocchio]]. Staying in Rome from [[1854]] to [[1861]], he obtained a taste for movement and spontaneity, which he joined with the great principles of [[baroque art]]. In [[1861]] he made a bust of [[Mathilde Bonaparte|Princess Mathilde]], and this later brought him several commissions from [[Napoleon III]]. He worked at the pavilion of [[Flora (goddess)|Flora]], and the [[Opéra Garnier]]. His group La Danse (the Dance, [[1869]]), situated on the right side of the façade, was criticised as an offence to common decency.


He never managed to finish his last work, the famous Fountain of the Four Parts of the Earth, on the Place Camille Jullian. He did finish the terrestrial globe, supported by the four figures of [[Asia]], [[Europe]], [[North America|America]] and [[Africa]], and it was [[Emmanuel Frémiet]] who completed the work by adding the eight leaping horses, the tortoises and the dolphins of the basin.


== Sculptures by Carpeaux ==


* Ugolin et ses fils - [[Ugolino della Gherardesca|Ugolino]] and his Sons (1861, in the permanent collection of the [[Metropolitan Museum of Art]])[[http://www.insecula.com/oeuvre/photo_ME0000009025.html]] with versions in other museums including the [[Musée d'Orsay]]
* The Dance (commissioned for the [[Palais Garnier|Opera Garnier]])
* Jeune pêcheur à la coquille - [[Naples|Neapolitan]] Fisherboy - in the [[Louvre]], [[Paris]] [[http://www.insecula.com/oeuvre/photo_ME0000034255.html]]
* Girl with Shell
* [[Antoine Watteau]] monument, [[Valenciennes]]


==Neapolitan Fisherboy==


Carpeaux submitted a plaster version of ''Pêcheur napolitain à la coquille'', the Neapolitan Fisherboy, to the [[French Academy]] while a student in [[Rome]]. He carved the marble version several years later, showing it in the Salon exhibition of 1863. It was purchased for [[Napoleon III]]'s empress, [[Eugénie de Montijo|Eugènie]]. The statue of the young smiling boy was very popular, and Carpeaux created a number of reproductions and variations in marble and bronze. There is a copy, for instance, in the Samuel H. Kress Collection in the [[National Gallery of Art]] in [[Washington D.C.]]


Some years later, he carved the Girl with a Shell, a very similar study.


Carpeaux sought real life subjects in the streets and broke with the classical tradition. The Neapolitan Fisherboy's body is carved in intimate detail and shows an intricately balanced pose. Carpeaux claimed that he based the Neapolitan Fisherboy on a boy he had seen during a trip to [[Naples]].


==External links==
[[/Archive1]] pre Nov 2006


*[http://cartelfr.louvre.fr/cartelfr/visite?srv=rs_display_res&critere=jean+baptiste+carpeaux&operator=AND&nbToDisplay=5&langue=fr A page on the official Louvre site giving access to some of Carpeaux's works (French language only)]
[[/Archive2]] ends 5/07
*[http://www.insecula.com/contact/A005511_oeuvre_1.html A page from insecula.com listing more views of Carpeaux's works (also in French;] it may be necessary to close an advertising window to view this page)
*[http://www.studiolo.org/MMA-Ugolino/Ugolino.htm A page analysing Carpeaux's ''Ugolino'', with numerous illustrations]


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You appear to have moved a bunch of archives from [[Talk:Sahaj marg]] to [[Talk:Sahaj Marg]] by Copy&paste, rathe than using the move function. Thsi loses their history, which is supposed to be retained for [[GFDL]] attribution. am delting the copies, and moving the old archives. Please use the Move function in future. [[User:DESiegel|DES]] [[User talk:DESiegel|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:42, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

== Sahaj Marg ==

There's a reason the article is such a mess. I've seen it before when there's an editor who's only interested in one topic. Failure to follow core policies or to respect the input of the other editors is ultimately disruptive. I hope this editor relaxes a bit. I appreciate your involvement. [[Special:Contributions/Will_Beback| ·:·]][[User:Will Beback|Will Beback]] [[User talk:Will Beback|·:·]] 06:49, 18 May 2007 (UTC)


:Overall it has been a pleasent experience... and a learning one, yet a good one. It is nice to be able to be firm about policy and civil- something Sethie was not so good at in the past! And there is a real feeling of progress, the article looks A LOT better then a week ago... though this is still a lot to be done. :) [[User:Sethie|Sethie]] 06:56, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

::Yes, the article is looking much better, and your editing has helped greatly. Stability is a concern.

::You wrote that ''..[it] had Sethie pretty confused, since deleting talk page entries is generally a big no-no.''[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Sahaj_Marg&diff=131960799&oldid=131958210] That isn't quite true; there are some occasions when talk page comments can or should be removed. [[WP:BLP]] violations should be removed immediately from talk pages. It's proper to remove discussions of the article subject instead of the article itself. That includes postings like: "I'm writing a paper on X. When did Y happen?" or "I think the ballot measure should pass because..." Personal attacks are sometimes refactored. OTOH, some people might revert the editing of a posting by a different editor, It's not as straighforward as it could be. All the more reason to stick to templated explanations that have been vetted.

::I've noted your avoidance of the first person singular. Pronouns are powerful little words. I've been engaged in a pronoun-related strategy as well. When discussing editing I try to avoid writing "you", as in "why did you add this to the article?" Instead I try to us the third person plural. "Why are we saying this in the article?" or "are we interpreting this source correctly?" I have no proof of its success but I think it makes editing discussions less personal. (Hmm, I see I didn't follow my guideline in the previous paragraph.) [[Special:Contributions/Will_Beback| ·:·]][[User:Will Beback|Will Beback]] [[User talk:Will Beback|·:·]] 09:32, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

:::Hey there Will.

:::thanks for the clarification on deleting things from talk pages, Sethie can see that there might be certain instances in which would be helpful.

:::Sethie really feel as you on the "you" thing. It feels like using the word you can make things a little more confrontational.... he'll ponder it and maybe give it a whirl. [[User:Sethie|Sethie]] 15:33, 21 May 2007 (UTC)


Hi Sethie...

Read your bio...good for you...I feel the same about SRCM as you do about TM but in the case of Sahaj Marg, we now have had One group (Narayana formed the ISRC) schism, then Umesh (deceased son of Founder, Babuji) in control of one Ashram and President of SRCM (Shahjahanpur), as Chari was forming his California-based, SRCMtm (California) in 1997. They also registerd the Research SMRTI in Austin Texas and took that over also. They are now in court and documents have surfaced by the Founder that brought accusations of "murder" from the Family of the Founder, Babuji.

So I've seen many groups try and change the article and I have just been letting them "wear themselves" out and then trying to make sense of it all. You entered as one of Chari's group and Shashwat were into edit wars, and I had not yet finished the clean up from the previous "edit wars" one of which brought about the Sahaj Marg Philosophy page. So I have been laying back and "biting my tongue"...'-))

I believe in Pull and not push as per Wiki philosophy. I can state my personal opinions elsewhere and I respect and appreciate the WIKI project...I am a firm believer that NPOV information will set us free, not simply one's POV. That is where the traditional Media has failed to do because of the reliance on "advertising" and that WIKI can address so "spiritually" (as in the "cool" blue end of the spectrum (logic) as opposed to the 'red" end of emotions) . ;-))

Thanks for all your efforts, your help and your "NPOV"..

Don--[[User:4d-don|don]] 17:55, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi Sethie...

I hear you and I will try and go to the Sahaj Marg site more often than once a day.

I am disabled and have health issues so it is a little difficult for me but I will do my best. I have been trying to stay out so as not to confuse the issues with more than a few editors doing the amending at a time. I do not like pushing my POV on others and I am not without a POV also. ;-))

If, in the future, you want me to "stay away" more, so as not to confuse, then I will do so also...

Don --[[User:4d-don|don]] 17:37, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

:Thanks Don-

:What I am after is editors who will help keep things in line with wiki policy. If you're game for that, please come play! :) [[User:Sethie|Sethie]] 17:45, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

== Ramesh Balsekar, Criticism ==

Dear Sethie,

it is stated that Balsekar was recently "subject of a smear campaign by a small Paris based group aligned with what they consider to be a more traditional Advaita guru - Ranjit Maharaj"

Is this associated in any way with the happenings at the Kovalam Seminar 2004?

If so, then you might consider to check out the reports made by shocked Germans who also participated at that seminar but took the incidents with a lot of humour of how they could build up such a perfect "Guru figure" in their own minds and project it on Balsekar, although Ramesh always states that he is like you and me, a perfectly normal human being and most of all a man. :)

http://www.connection.de/cms/content/view/995/181/


greetings

Al

== Third Person ==

Shashwat admits that talking in third person helps one observe things, rather then becoming a part of it, I did this long time back, whien i was in India and was with a guru in Rishikesh. Moment one becomes an observer, chances of getting attached to objects are reduced considerably.

--[[User:Shashwat pandey|Shashwat pandey]] 09:06, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

:Well said. :) It is currenlty one of Sethie's main practices. [[User:Sethie|Sethie]] 04:44, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

::Shashwat has read Sethie's observation on TM, and here shashwat want's to share his experience of meditation now 10 yrs (Shashwat started his spiritual quest at the age of 17!!). Meditation is only one of the means towards the absolute, which cannot be expressed, it is not the only means, for people in famiy life, love dedication and commitment towards family results in same state that a yogi achieve's in forest doing Raja Yoga. same power's of mind can be manifested by numerous method's and those who sell, (trademarks, organizations claiming good for householders) are all fake, only way to achieve perfection or union with existance is by becoming one with the existance, which is present right in front of us, our family spouse children and society. more we become selfish, thinking if we do something we achieve something in spiritual practice is absured for householder's. actually we have to stop doing everything, and that moment when we stop is the moment of union. !! Sahshwat runs a community on orkut, if sethie is interested he can visit [http://www.orkut.com/Community.aspx?cmm=24873318].--[[User:Shashwat pandey|Shashwat pandey]] 06:41, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

==Discussion page protocol==
Sethie...

4d-don normally just posts at the bottom of the page but he can add a "category" if it confuses... I thought that Sethie and Wiilbeback were doing that by just posting at the bottom of the latest Message without a "category" but if that is what Sethie wants, then I will do that...

The "discussion" page was a lot more in order before the recent edit wars (Shashwat and others) and then Willbeback and Sethie's input.

Sthie can say what he wants and 4d-don will do it. Others may not but...

4d-don--[[User:4d-don|don]] 02:32, 30 May 2007 (UTC)


:Sethie's strong prefference would be to reply under the existing category. Living dead stuff under living dead. Contradition under contradition. Video Question under video question.

:Does that make sense?

:Thanks. [[User:Sethie|Sethie]] 03:48, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

==Comments from Shaswat==
::Shashwat is leaving for sethie's favorite destination [[Thailand]] for few day's for a change. Shashwat will countinue with discussion once he is back. have a nice time, and have great fun. --[[User:Shashwat pandey|Shashwat pandey]] 15:54, 30 May 2007 (UTC)



Shashwat will be in Pattaya and bangkok, will spend some time on james bond island as well, shashwat's flight will leave in 8 hrs from now, will stay there for one week approx!!! lets see if we can meet there, it will be gr8 to see you in person!!--[[User:Shashwat pandey|Shashwat pandey]] 05:29, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

:Pattaya, huh? It is a very, very, very wild town! As are certain parts of Bangkok.

:Sethie spent 2.5 months in Pattaya last summer, doing volunteer work and hanging out. If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

:Sethie won't be going to Thailand till sometime around June 21st or so, we shan't meet this trip.....

:Pattaya. Wowsa. Have fun! [[User:Sethie|Sethie]] 14:00, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

I shall respond your message in some time, for the time being kindly refer to [[WP:AGF]]. we will get more people involved in this for sure. allow me sometime to return.--[[User:Shashwat pandey|Shashwat pandey]] 05:37, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

:Thanks for pointing Sethie to AGF. "Assuming good faith also does not mean that no action by editors should be criticized, but instead that criticism should not be attributed to malice unless there is specific evidence of malice." Sethie has no sense that you are acting with malice.

:Sethie is quite clear that you are not clear about the core policies, and despite being pointed towards them, numerous times by Sethie and few times by Will, your edits demonstrate the same level of unclarity about how wikipedia works as when we started working together, over a month ago.

:You haven't edited for about a week, and then you come back and your first edit is so flagrantly off, in what has become the usual misquoting of sources, in ways that serve your POV. Enough is enough. [[User:Sethie|Sethie]] 06:00, 7 June 2007 (UTC)


:Sethie you have stated "Your continuous insertion of material that is not contained in the sources, yet linked to a source is very disruptive" here i assume you are refering to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sahaj_Marg&diff=136339121&oldid=136231474]. I would like to drow your attention to subsequent effect's, it was you who did not followed original research policy of wiki, whatever i had added was word to word from source itself. would request you to be polite in your communication, giving threat's for doing various action's will not result in any positive outcome. If you want to discuss any topic you must have patience to discuss, if you get irritated at every edit that i make, then i am sure we will have to approach [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wp:rfc#Request_comment_on_users] for your behavior and harsh language for another user. Kindly be polite and try to respect every editor on wiki. --[[User:Shashwat pandey|Shashwat pandey]] 10:18, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

::This is interesting, that you feel this way, since your friend, whom you asked to come by and edit the page while you were away [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AEinstein_22&diff=136394625&oldid=136393164]] agreed with the change I made! [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Sahaj_Marg&diff=prev&oldid=136406631]]

::If you feel Sethie needs an RfC, feel free to instigate one. [[User:Sethie|Sethie]] 15:54, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

== Talk:Banhammer ==

I hope you dont mind me fixing your comment on [[Talk:Banhammer]]. You wrote <nowiki>[[http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Main_Page|Uncyclopedia]]</nowiki> and while such format would be used for Wikipedia links (without <nowiki>http://</nowiki>) it can not be used for off-site links. Offsite links use single [ ] and description is separated with single space rather than with the pipe "|", so <nowiki>[http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Uncyclopedia]</nowiki> would produce what I think you were trying to accomplish. [[User:Shinhan|Shinhan]] 08:12, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

== Objections to neutrality of telestial kingdom from thewayandthelight ==

My apologies if this is not what you meant for me to do. Below is the article with my comments inserted.

The telestial kingdom /this is a belief being presented as fact/ is one of three "kingdoms" or "degrees of glory", in the doctrine of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. /this concept is presented by Swedish theologian Emanuel Swedenborg in his 1758 book entitled Heaven and Hell but isn't mentioned/ It is an eternal status in the afterlife to which some portion of humankind will be assigned following the Resurrection and Judgment Day. /again...a belief not present as such/

The primary source of this doctrine is a vision recounted by Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon /the primary source is from Emanuel Swedenborg's book which was written prior to the 'vision'/, at Hiram, Ohio on February 16, 1832. The origin of the word "telestial", which does not occur in other contexts, is uncertain, although some claim it means "distant" (since this realm is seen as being further from the seat of God than the other kingdoms), citing the meaning of other words that begin with the Greek prefix "tele-" (such as telephone and television). Another possible source might be the Greek adjective "telestikos", which means "mystical," "consecrational," or "initiatory."

The telestial kingdom is the lowest of the three degrees of glory, in which the highest or celestial kingdom is compared to the sun, the middle or terrestrial kingdom is compared to the moon, and the lowest or telestial kingdom is compared to the stars. According to the Church's interpretation, the Bible also indicates that these three kingdoms are connected with the resurrection of the dead (1 Corinthians 15:40-42). Also, "in addition to the degrees of glory, there is a place of no glory, called perdition (or "outer darkness"), reserved for those who commit the unpardonable sin." (Bible Dictionary: Degrees of Glory)/again...presented as fact, not belief/

People who will attain the telestial kingdom in the afterlife include those "who received not the gospel of Christ, nor the testimony of Jesus" (Doctrine and Covenants 76:82) as well as "liars, and sorcerers, and adulterers, and whoremongers, and whosoever loves and makes a lie" (Doctrine and Covenants 76:103). These people, who will rise in the second resurrection, must first suffer for their sins in the Spirit Prison (similar to the Catholic concept of Purgatory - see Common Latter-day Saint perceptions) until the Last Judgement, at which time they will be assigned to the telestial kingdom. There they are to be servants of God, however they will not be able go to the place where "God and Christ dwell." (D&C 76:112). In LDS theology the telestial kingdom is not unpleasant: "the glory of the telestial...surpasses all understanding" (Doctrine and Covenants 76:89)./this tells of the judgement of liars, and sorcerers, and adulterers, and whoremongers, and whosoever loves and makes a lie' and is not pertinent to the article./

It should be borne in mind, however, that the plan of salvation in Mormonism is centered on forgiveness of sins and redemption by Jesus Christ. Commission of the sins listed above does not automatically relegate the sinner to the telestial kingdom, but wilful refusal to repent of these sins may do so.


I would also like to see this article present some history on the subject. Show examples of the concept outside of the mormon religion that supports that other possililies. This article is solely based on a supposed vision by a man who benefited greatly from the fact that he was able to get others to believe in it. Now I know that is not how it should be presented to be neutral but it would certainly be historically correct. If this is not what you had in mind, I would happy to present my ideas in the format that you desire. [[User:Thewayandthelight|Thewayandthelight]] 21:48, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

:Responded on talk page of article. [[User:Sethie|Sethie]] 22:02, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

The following article shows a compare/contrast opinion on this subject. [http://craigwmiller.tripod.com/interest.htm#History%20and%20Possible%20Influence] Could you review and see if you think that it is conclusive enough to represent my opinion on this matter? [[User:Thewayandthelight|Thewayandthelight]] 22:38, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

:Let's talk about this on the article talk page, ok? [[User:Sethie|Sethie]] 00:42, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

== Newspaper articles vs news programs ==

Regarding [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=HHO_gas&diff=136855651&oldid=136819930#News_coverage]:

Why do you think that references 7, 12, 13, 15, 17, 18, 21 and the others on [[Talk:HHO_gas#News_programs.2Farticles|the talk page]] don't count as newspaper articles? — [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] 23:00, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Sethie only has an opinion about #11-18:
# ^ Craig Patrick reporting. Water Power (Youtube video) [Television newscast]. Fox 26 News. Retrieved on 2007-04-15.
# ^ Adams, David. "Florida's very own water fueled car", St. Petersburg Times, October 12, 2006. Retrieved on 2007-03-01.
# ^ "Water Could One Day Replace Gas", KSBI-TV 52 Oklahoma, May 23, 2006. Retrieved on 2007-03-01.
# ^ "Cars Running On Water?", KXAN, Austin, TX, May 24, 2006. Retrieved on 2007-03-01.
# ^ Flack, Eric. "Car Powered By Water A Reality", Wave 3 News, September 6, 2006. Retrieved on 2007-03-01.
# ^ Water-powered Car Technology Attractive to Many (Youtube video) [Television newscast]. Louisville, KY: Wave 3 News. Retrieved on 2006-06-30.
# ^ Flack, Eric. "Big Names Interested in Water Powered Car", Wave 3 News, July 12, 2006. Retrieved on 2007-03-01.
# ^ Flack, Eric. "Car Powered By Water A Reality", Wave 3 News, September 6, 2006. Retrieved on 2007-03-01.

His opinion is that none of these are: "popular science newspaper articles." [[User:Sethie|Sethie]] 00:39, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

: Ok... So let's pick one for an example. Why is [http://wave3.com/Global/story.asp?s=4934566] not a popular science newspaper article? It's certainly an article, it's presented in an online newspaper, and it's written for a general audience about a science topic. — [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] 01:48, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

::Moving this to the talk page. [[User:Sethie|Sethie]] 02:13, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

== Nice work... ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Student_Movement_of_Liberation&diff=prev&oldid=136968645 Great re-write] - and damn fast. It's amazing how many obscure little problems there are in wikipedia, but it's good to see there our some out there were are bold and effective in fixing them. kind regards and happy editing. [[User:Merbabu|Merbabu]] 04:44, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


:) Wow, thanks, Sethie appreciates your feedback. Lately Sethie has been feeling in the flow with wikipedia and your feedback speaks to that. Thanks! :) [[User:Sethie|Sethie]] 05:00, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

==Hugo O'Neill==
An approach that is kinder than AfD is to first suggest to the author that the page falls under [[WP:NOT#DIR|Wikipedia is not a directory - Genealogical entries]]. You then may suggest that he may wish to [[Wikipedia:Userfication|userfy]] the material for use outside of Wikipedia and then request to have the page deleted via [[Speedy_delete#G7|Author requests deletion.]] -- [[User:Jreferee|Jreferee]] 17:11, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

:You are a gentler soul then I.... and I am willing to give it a try. :) [[User:Sethie|Sethie]] 17:13, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

==Blanked==

"... for example, kwork blanked his page and if he comes back I will revert some of it, because it was me specifically saying, please adhere to WP:CIVILITY. See you on the AAB page. Sethie 00:16, 8 June 2007 (UTC)"

Sethie: What do you mean, "if he comes back"? I have not gone anyplace. I blanked the page because everything that had been put on it was inane and worthless. If you think you can derive some good from reverting it, go ahead. I know perfectly it is still in the page history. If you think I am in violation of WP:CIVILITY, make a complaint about me. Or, if that is what makes you happy, just keep on kvetching (http://www.allwords.com/word-kvetching.html). However, if you have something intelligent to say, I would be very happy to see that anytime. [[User:Kwork|Kwork]] 20:42, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

:Sethie apparently incorreclty assumed that you being done on AAB page meant you were done on wikipedia.

:Removing warnings is considered bad form, it is a way for editors to try and cover their tracks and repeat similar problematic behavior. Sethie has no need or desire to revert your whole talk page back, however if you get active on wikipedia again, he will bring back his requests of you to be more civil.... so if that behavior repeats itself, other editors can refference it.

:Whoops, it appears you have been active on wikipedia.... okay, will do.[[User:Sethie|Sethie]] 20:52, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Cover my tracks? I was the only editor of the Alice Bailey article that with own name (and location) on my use page. Everyone else is hiding behind an alias. All the information I deleted is still there in archives for anyone to see, as you know perfectly well. (How is it you never complained about Jamesd1 not even having a user page till today? I suppose that is your idea of good form.) If you consider my behavior "problematic", you really should make a complaint about me. I invite it. [[User:Kwork|Kwork]] 21:11, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

:Sethie totally agrees that the information can be retrieved.

:Sethie never complained about Jamesd1 not having a user page, because.... well what is there to complain about? It isn't a policy that Sethie is aware of.

::'''You are saying, then, that if I followed the model set by Jamesd1, and I had no page where you could make your complaint, that would have been okay with you? It is because of this sort of silly stuff from you that I removed it from my user page''' [[User:Kwork|Kwork]] 21:48, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

:::Sorry to disapoint you, you had nothing to do with "having" a page for Sethie to make a complaint, and neither does Jamesd. By registering an account, a "red" i.e. blank user page and blank discussion page is created. Anyone can make the first edit to it, it doesn't have to be the person who created the page. You could have left it blank and Sethie could have come along and said, "Hi." Or "Hey there, would you please cool you tone down." In fact, you did not "create" i.e. add the first entry to your talk page, Chriskid321 did [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Kwork&oldid=120495119]]. [[User:Sethie|Sethie]] 22:18, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

:There is no reason to take any offical action unless your tone repeats itself elsewhere. The [[WP:CIVIL]] discussion Sethie placed on your page only will be relevant if you edit and dialogue the same way on other pages. Hopefully that won't be the case. [[User:Sethie|Sethie]] 21:28, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


One of the former editors of the Alice Bailey article, exited Wikipedia with this statement: "I attempted to edit at Wikipdia from Febreuary, 2006 through May , 2006 but i am now leaving because the project is little more than a haven for cultists and special interest cliiques, many of them editing under anonymous screen names. I'm off to work on my own site. I may be back, and i may not, but if you are here reading this page, take it from me, don't trust any information you read at WP unless you also check the page's history, see who wrote it, and trust that editor.
Cordially, Catherineyronwode 12:57, 28 May 2006 (UTC)"

This accurately describes the situation I found dealing with you, and others, editing the Alice Bailey article. But despite your own problematic behavior, you have the chutzpah to call my descriptions of your behavior as an insults. As I said, if you really think they were insults, and that you have ''any'' grounds for it, I invite you to make a complaint about me. Actually I would be happy to have administrators take a look at the discussion page. [[User:Kwork|Kwork]] 21:36, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


:Thanks for the invite and Sethie doesn't feel the need for anything official yet. [[User:Sethie|Sethie]] 22:18, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

You say that I have violated Wikipedia rules, but you are unwilling to pursue the matter; which suggests that you do not really believe your own accusation is true. An accusation that is untrue is often called a lie. [[User:Kwork|Kwork]] 00:37, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

:Actually, Sethie said, "Sethie doesn't think you have insulted him, just on wikipedia there is a certain tone and attempts at civility which, for Sethie, you have danced around the line and maybe crossed a few times." [[User:Sethie|Sethie]] 00:56, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

In that case the warning does not belong. Either prove I have done something wrong or keep the warning off my user page. So far all you have to say is that you go not like to receive criticism. [[User:Kwork|Kwork]] 01:06, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

:Sethie hoped that things could work out differently.... and ok. [[User:Sethie|Sethie]] 01:19, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Sethie needs to learn that a criticism of his behavior, on Wikipedia, is not an insult. I have heard a lot about WP technicalities of procedure from you, but nothing about ethical behavior. If you had behaved ethically in the editing process, none of this argument would have occurred. Kwork

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== Sahaj Marg ==

Hi, Sethie. Got your message on my Talk page. I glanced at the article briefly -- I agree that there are lots of problems. I don't really have time to get involved, though. [[User:TimidGuy|TimidGuy]] 19:52, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

:Aha, I see. Wasn't sure which side you were on. But I agree, very ironic -- and lots of stuff there that is problematic. [[User:TimidGuy|TimidGuy]] 21:04, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

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Jean-Baptiste Carpeaux's marble sculpture 'Ugolino and his Sons', Metropolitan Museum of Art
La Danse (The Dance), Opera Garnier in Paris
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Jean-Baptiste Carpeaux (May 11, 1827, Valenciennes –October 12, 1875, Courbevoie) was a French sculptor and painter. His early studies were under François Rude. Carpeaux won the Prix de Rome in 1854, and moving to Rome to find inspiration, he there studied the works of Michelangelo, Donatello and Verrocchio. Staying in Rome from 1854 to 1861, he obtained a taste for movement and spontaneity, which he joined with the great principles of baroque art. In 1861 he made a bust of Princess Mathilde, and this later brought him several commissions from Napoleon III. He worked at the pavilion of Flora, and the Opéra Garnier. His group La Danse (the Dance, 1869), situated on the right side of the façade, was criticised as an offence to common decency.

He never managed to finish his last work, the famous Fountain of the Four Parts of the Earth, on the Place Camille Jullian. He did finish the terrestrial globe, supported by the four figures of Asia, Europe, America and Africa, and it was Emmanuel Frémiet who completed the work by adding the eight leaping horses, the tortoises and the dolphins of the basin.

Sculptures by Carpeaux

Neapolitan Fisherboy

Carpeaux submitted a plaster version of Pêcheur napolitain à la coquille, the Neapolitan Fisherboy, to the French Academy while a student in Rome. He carved the marble version several years later, showing it in the Salon exhibition of 1863. It was purchased for Napoleon III's empress, Eugènie. The statue of the young smiling boy was very popular, and Carpeaux created a number of reproductions and variations in marble and bronze. There is a copy, for instance, in the Samuel H. Kress Collection in the National Gallery of Art in Washington D.C.

Some years later, he carved the Girl with a Shell, a very similar study.

Carpeaux sought real life subjects in the streets and broke with the classical tradition. The Neapolitan Fisherboy's body is carved in intimate detail and shows an intricately balanced pose. Carpeaux claimed that he based the Neapolitan Fisherboy on a boy he had seen during a trip to Naples.

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