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[[Image:Jean-Baptiste Carpeaux's marble sculpture 'Ugolino and his Sons', Metropolitan Museum of Art.jpg|thumb|right|400px|Jean-Baptiste Carpeaux's marble sculpture 'Ugolino and his Sons', Metropolitan Museum of Art]] |
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[[Image:Jean-Baptiste_Carpeaux_La_Danse.jpg|thumb|right|400px|La Danse (The Dance), Opera Garnier in Paris]] |
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'''Jean-Baptiste Carpeaux''' ([[May 11]], [[1827]], [[Valenciennes]] –[[October 12]], [[1875]], [[Courbevoie]]) was a French sculptor and painter. His early studies were under [[François Rude]]. Carpeaux won the [[Prix de Rome]] in [[1854]], and moving to [[Rome]] to find inspiration, he there studied the works of [[Michelangelo Buonarroti|Michelangelo]], [[Donatello]] and [[Andrea del Verrocchio|Verrocchio]]. Staying in Rome from [[1854]] to [[1861]], he obtained a taste for movement and spontaneity, which he joined with the great principles of [[baroque art]]. In [[1861]] he made a bust of [[Mathilde Bonaparte|Princess Mathilde]], and this later brought him several commissions from [[Napoleon III]]. He worked at the pavilion of [[Flora (goddess)|Flora]], and the [[Opéra Garnier]]. His group La Danse (the Dance, [[1869]]), situated on the right side of the façade, was criticised as an offence to common decency. |
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== 1600 SAT score? == |
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He never managed to finish his last work, the famous Fountain of the Four Parts of the Earth, on the Place Camille Jullian. He did finish the terrestrial globe, supported by the four figures of [[Asia]], [[Europe]], [[North America|America]] and [[Africa]], and it was [[Emmanuel Frémiet]] who completed the work by adding the eight leaping horses, the tortoises and the dolphins of the basin. |
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WHEN did this guy take the test? When he was 17? Or when he was 37? Any reasonably intelligent adult can blow that test out of the water. Because it isn't DESIGNED to test adult skills. It's designed to test high school kids. |
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== Sculptures by Carpeaux == |
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Did Strom take it in High School? Did he ever go to a college? If not, I say remove this pathetic pat-on-the-back remark. It's designed to make him seem like some sort of genius; and clearly, he isn't. |
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* Ugolin et ses fils - [[Ugolino della Gherardesca|Ugolino]] and his Sons (1861, in the permanent collection of the [[Metropolitan Museum of Art]])[[http://www.insecula.com/oeuvre/photo_ME0000009025.html]] with versions in other museums including the [[Musée d'Orsay]] |
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That is a great point as well. We should mention the ambiguous time in which he claims his score as well, as opposed to simply saying "Kevin Strom earned a perfect score on the SATs..." |
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* The Dance (commissioned for the [[Palais Garnier|Opera Garnier]]) |
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* Jeune pêcheur à la coquille - [[Naples|Neapolitan]] Fisherboy - in the [[Louvre]], [[Paris]] [[http://www.insecula.com/oeuvre/photo_ME0000034255.html]] |
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* Girl with Shell |
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* [[Antoine Watteau]] monument, [[Valenciennes]] |
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==Neapolitan Fisherboy== |
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== Children's Names == |
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Someone recently introduced the names of Strom's children. Someone else (not me) reverted the changes. I support this. The most recent information available on the net indicates that the children are in the custody of Strom's ex-wife, who is trying to give them a normal upbringing. It's not their fault their father is involved in hate groups. Let's give them some space. |
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[[User:Hatewatcher|Hatewatcher]] 00:56, 5 March 2006 (UTC) |
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Carpeaux submitted a plaster version of ''Pêcheur napolitain à la coquille'', the Neapolitan Fisherboy, to the [[French Academy]] while a student in [[Rome]]. He carved the marble version several years later, showing it in the Salon exhibition of 1863. It was purchased for [[Napoleon III]]'s empress, [[Eugénie de Montijo|Eugènie]]. The statue of the young smiling boy was very popular, and Carpeaux created a number of reproductions and variations in marble and bronze. There is a copy, for instance, in the Samuel H. Kress Collection in the [[National Gallery of Art]] in [[Washington D.C.]] |
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== Homosexual == |
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[[Image:Kevin_alfred_strom.jpg|right|thumb|180px|Straight???]] |
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Is it just me or is the picture that Strom selected and uploaded himself the most blatant example of an effeminate homosexual male ever seen? This guy hates gays? Nice sweater. Nice glasses. Nice hair. Nice pose. What will we find out next, he's got an african in his woodpile? |
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Some years later, he carved the Girl with a Shell, a very similar study. |
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:You know nothing about homosexuality. |
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Carpeaux sought real life subjects in the streets and broke with the classical tradition. The Neapolitan Fisherboy's body is carved in intimate detail and shows an intricately balanced pose. Carpeaux claimed that he based the Neapolitan Fisherboy on a boy he had seen during a trip to [[Naples]]. |
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== Supremacist / Paedophile Link == |
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==External links== |
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I wonder whether there is a link between racial supremacy fantasies and pedophilia. A kind of obsessive compulsive longing for perceived purity, perhaps. |
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Indeed, I venture that snooping around in supremacists' personal effects would turn up a striking number of pornographic images of children. |
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Then again I may be wrong. |
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*[http://cartelfr.louvre.fr/cartelfr/visite?srv=rs_display_res&critere=jean+baptiste+carpeaux&operator=AND&nbToDisplay=5&langue=fr A page on the official Louvre site giving access to some of Carpeaux's works (French language only)] |
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[[User:Ignacio Bibcraft|Ignacio Bibcraft]] 23:27, 6 June 2007 (UTC) |
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*[http://www.insecula.com/contact/A005511_oeuvre_1.html A page from insecula.com listing more views of Carpeaux's works (also in French;] it may be necessary to close an advertising window to view this page) |
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*[http://www.studiolo.org/MMA-Ugolino/Ugolino.htm A page analysing Carpeaux's ''Ugolino'', with numerous illustrations] |
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[[Category:French sculptors|Carpeaux, Jean-Baptiste]] |
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Yeah, you may very well be wrong. What a vile and slanderous series of speculative remarks. They're certainly of no value to this website.[[User:KevinOKeeffe|KevinOKeeffe]] 21:47, 12 June 2007 (UTC) |
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[[Category:1827 births|Carpeaux, Jean-Baptiste]] |
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[[Category:1875 deaths|Carpeaux, Jean-Baptiste]] |
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[[de:Jean-Baptiste Carpeaux]] |
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== More on the 1600 SAT score == |
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[[fr:Jean-Baptiste Carpeaux]] |
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My understanding is that Kevin Alfred Strom took the SAT at the standard age (17-18). The above remarks on this topic represent a highly biased and essentially useless point of view. Kevin Alfred Strom is clearly a man with a high IQ, as well as a university graduate who is very personally well-read. The idea that as a White Nationalist, he is somehow by definition not an intelligent man is simply unsuitable for an encyclopedic website such as Wikipedia.[[User:KevinOKeeffe|KevinOKeeffe]] 21:43, 12 June 2007 (UTC) |
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[[pl:Jean-Baptiste Carpeaux]] |
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[[pt:Jean-Baptiste Carpeaux]] |
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== Elisha Strom & Allegations of Strom's Celibate Second Marriage, and the use of Overthrow.com as a source == |
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[[zh:让-巴蒂斯·卡尔波]] |
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I deleted the remarks in which it is stated that Elisha Strom told the Southern Poverty Law Center that she and Mr. Strom never had sexual relations during the years she was married to him. I have a slight acquaintance with Elisha Strom, and she claims the Southern Poverty Law Center fabricated this claim ie., that she never made it. |
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Additionally, Bill White's website, Overthrow.com, was cited as the source for this allegation on the part of the SPLC. Bill White's own Wikipedia article contains substantial info calling into question his reliability as a source. Frankly, anyone who believes anything they read at Bill White's Overthrow.com is a bit of a fool. Its (literally) chock full of stories about how he beat up 10 bikers at once, for instance. The entire site is laughable (it reads almost as a parody; see for yourself if you don't believe me), and should NEVER be cited as a source for Wikipedia on ANY topic, not just Kevin Alfred Strom (Bill White hates Kevin Alfred Strom, and has publicly released an open letter to Kevin Alfred Strom in which he lauds the idea of his being homosexually raped; clearly Mr. White is not an objective source on this issue). I'd further maintain he's not a credible source on any other topic (and anything posted on Overthrow.com should be assumed to have been authored by Bill White, unless it is explicitly stated otherwise, and even then its questionable).[[User:KevinOKeeffe|KevinOKeeffe]] 21:58, 12 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Jean-Baptiste Carpeaux (May 11, 1827, Valenciennes –October 12, 1875, Courbevoie) was a French sculptor and painter. His early studies were under François Rude. Carpeaux won the Prix de Rome in 1854, and moving to Rome to find inspiration, he there studied the works of Michelangelo, Donatello and Verrocchio. Staying in Rome from 1854 to 1861, he obtained a taste for movement and spontaneity, which he joined with the great principles of baroque art. In 1861 he made a bust of Princess Mathilde, and this later brought him several commissions from Napoleon III. He worked at the pavilion of Flora, and the Opéra Garnier. His group La Danse (the Dance, 1869), situated on the right side of the façade, was criticised as an offence to common decency.
He never managed to finish his last work, the famous Fountain of the Four Parts of the Earth, on the Place Camille Jullian. He did finish the terrestrial globe, supported by the four figures of Asia, Europe, America and Africa, and it was Emmanuel Frémiet who completed the work by adding the eight leaping horses, the tortoises and the dolphins of the basin.
Sculptures by Carpeaux
- Ugolin et ses fils - Ugolino and his Sons (1861, in the permanent collection of the Metropolitan Museum of Art)[[1]] with versions in other museums including the Musée d'Orsay
- The Dance (commissioned for the Opera Garnier)
- Jeune pêcheur à la coquille - Neapolitan Fisherboy - in the Louvre, Paris [[2]]
- Girl with Shell
- Antoine Watteau monument, Valenciennes
Neapolitan Fisherboy
Carpeaux submitted a plaster version of Pêcheur napolitain à la coquille, the Neapolitan Fisherboy, to the French Academy while a student in Rome. He carved the marble version several years later, showing it in the Salon exhibition of 1863. It was purchased for Napoleon III's empress, Eugènie. The statue of the young smiling boy was very popular, and Carpeaux created a number of reproductions and variations in marble and bronze. There is a copy, for instance, in the Samuel H. Kress Collection in the National Gallery of Art in Washington D.C.
Some years later, he carved the Girl with a Shell, a very similar study.
Carpeaux sought real life subjects in the streets and broke with the classical tradition. The Neapolitan Fisherboy's body is carved in intimate detail and shows an intricately balanced pose. Carpeaux claimed that he based the Neapolitan Fisherboy on a boy he had seen during a trip to Naples.
External links
- A page on the official Louvre site giving access to some of Carpeaux's works (French language only)
- A page from insecula.com listing more views of Carpeaux's works (also in French; it may be necessary to close an advertising window to view this page)
- A page analysing Carpeaux's Ugolino, with numerous illustrations