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[[Image:Jean-Baptiste Carpeaux's marble sculpture 'Ugolino and his Sons', Metropolitan Museum of Art.jpg|thumb|right|400px|Jean-Baptiste Carpeaux's marble sculpture 'Ugolino and his Sons', Metropolitan Museum of Art]] |
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[[Image:Jean-Baptiste_Carpeaux_La_Danse.jpg|thumb|right|400px|La Danse (The Dance), Opera Garnier in Paris]] |
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'''Jean-Baptiste Carpeaux''' ([[May 11]], [[1827]], [[Valenciennes]] –[[October 12]], [[1875]], [[Courbevoie]]) was a French sculptor and painter. His early studies were under [[François Rude]]. Carpeaux won the [[Prix de Rome]] in [[1854]], and moving to [[Rome]] to find inspiration, he there studied the works of [[Michelangelo Buonarroti|Michelangelo]], [[Donatello]] and [[Andrea del Verrocchio|Verrocchio]]. Staying in Rome from [[1854]] to [[1861]], he obtained a taste for movement and spontaneity, which he joined with the great principles of [[baroque art]]. In [[1861]] he made a bust of [[Mathilde Bonaparte|Princess Mathilde]], and this later brought him several commissions from [[Napoleon III]]. He worked at the pavilion of [[Flora (goddess)|Flora]], and the [[Opéra Garnier]]. His group La Danse (the Dance, [[1869]]), situated on the right side of the façade, was criticised as an offence to common decency. |
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Only mentions I found came from BrickWiki and WP mirror sites. Seems to be an neologism only in use with die hard Lego fans and current/former Lego Co. employees. [[User:mcr616|mcr616]] <sub>[[User_Talk:mcr616|Speak!]]</sub> 16:10, 8 June 2007 (UTC) |
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He never managed to finish his last work, the famous Fountain of the Four Parts of the Earth, on the Place Camille Jullian. He did finish the terrestrial globe, supported by the four figures of [[Asia]], [[Europe]], [[North America|America]] and [[Africa]], and it was [[Emmanuel Frémiet]] who completed the work by adding the eight leaping horses, the tortoises and the dolphins of the basin. |
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*'''What the...?''' A few mentions of online communities is not enough to build a house of legos. (Delete.) [[User:YechielMan|Yechiel]][[User talk:YechielMan|<span style="color:green">Man</span>]] 21:26, 8 June 2007 (UTC) |
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* '''DTUN''' (Delete This Unimportant Neologism) <b>[[User Talk:JzG|Guy]]</b> <small>([[User:JzG/help|Help!]])</small> 22:20, 8 June 2007 (UTC) |
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== Sculptures by Carpeaux == |
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*It's not really a NEO-logism, as it's been in use for at least 12 years. But it's not really a notable term outside the [[LEGO]] community, you'll get blank looks from the mundanes if you use with them. [[BrickWiki:Main Page|BrickWiki]]'s article ([[BrickWiki:AFOL|AFOL]]) does a fine enough job of defining it, although that article could stand updating from this one before this one goes, should that be the outcome (ping me, I'll do it if no one else does). There may be sections of this article as well that are worth transferring elsewhere (perhaps to the main LEGO article, or to articles about fannish activities) but it won't be a great loss if it's deleted. And I speak as a diehard fan. '''Weak Keep''' as more notable than most neologisms. ++[[User:Lar|Lar]]: [[User_talk:Lar|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Lar|c]] 22:34, 8 June 2007 (UTC) |
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*<small>'''Note''': This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Language|list of Language-related deletions]]. </small> <small>-- [[User:Jayvdb|John Vandenberg]] 01:33, 9 June 2007 (UTC)</small> |
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* Ugolin et ses fils - [[Ugolino della Gherardesca|Ugolino]] and his Sons (1861, in the permanent collection of the [[Metropolitan Museum of Art]])[[http://www.insecula.com/oeuvre/photo_ME0000009025.html]] with versions in other museums including the [[Musée d'Orsay]] |
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*'''Delete''' nonnotable neologism within tiny field, no reason for an article. [[User:DreamGuy|DreamGuy]] 20:49, 11 June 2007 (UTC) |
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* The Dance (commissioned for the [[Palais Garnier|Opera Garnier]]) |
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*'''Keep''' Find the appropriate bibliography, and ''include'' all human knowledge, if properly referenced. --[[User:Chr.K.|Chr.K.]] 09:36, 12 June 2007 (UTC) |
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* Jeune pêcheur à la coquille - [[Naples|Neapolitan]] Fisherboy - in the [[Louvre]], [[Paris]] [[http://www.insecula.com/oeuvre/photo_ME0000034255.html]] |
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:What? I don't think a bibliography would apply here. Also, it's hard to reference something that only comes up on fan sites and WP mirrors. [[User:mcr616|mcr616]] <sub>[[User_Talk:mcr616|Speak!]]</sub> 22:53, 12 June 2007 (UTC) |
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* Girl with Shell |
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::There needs to be a file of some kind for adults who are extremely interested in, for want of a better term, "LEGO art." I recently saw a Yahoo piece on the subject of one, actually. If this specific page has to be deleted, make sure to save all the information in a more appropriate article, such as on LEGOs themselves, or on the artistic use of the blocks; when referencing the group in the LEGO page, give the references that speak of it...even if it ''is'' just "fan sites," as it is basically impossible that they're lying about such a group existing. --[[User:Chr.K.|Chr.K.]] 07:10, 13 June 2007 (UTC) |
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* [[Antoine Watteau]] monument, [[Valenciennes]] |
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:::I don't doubt that the group exists, it's a question of whether or not we can back the information up with neutral, reputable sources. A fan site, by definition, wouldn't be neutral, and would probably not be very reputable either. [[User:mcr616|mcr616]] <sub>[[User_Talk:mcr616|Speak!]]</sub> 15:21, 13 June 2007 (UTC) |
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*Is this very important? Even though [[WP:NOT|Wikipedia is not paper]], this isn't encyclopedic enough. '''Delete'''. - [[User:Penwhale|Penwhale]] | <sup>[[User_talk:Penwhale|Blast him]] / [[Special:Contributions/Penwhale|Follow his steps]]</sup> 12:20, 14 June 2007 (UTC) |
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==Neapolitan Fisherboy== |
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*'''Keep''' Although this acronym has a limited sphere of use, surely this means that that people are less likely to know what it means and so need to look it up if they come across it? [[User:Talltim|Talltim]] 12:29, 14 June 2007 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep''' There are 1,000's of AFOLs all around the world, it is a common term used by LEGO enthusiasts, and this article should stay. [[User:Duxford|Duxford]] 12:38, 14 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Carpeaux submitted a plaster version of ''Pêcheur napolitain à la coquille'', the Neapolitan Fisherboy, to the [[French Academy]] while a student in [[Rome]]. He carved the marble version several years later, showing it in the Salon exhibition of 1863. It was purchased for [[Napoleon III]]'s empress, [[Eugénie de Montijo|Eugènie]]. The statue of the young smiling boy was very popular, and Carpeaux created a number of reproductions and variations in marble and bronze. There is a copy, for instance, in the Samuel H. Kress Collection in the [[National Gallery of Art]] in [[Washington D.C.]] |
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*'''Keep''' How many AFOLs would it need for you guys thinking it is worth keeping? I agree AFOL is a neologism and it only refers to a somewhat small group of people, but so does [[Trekkie]]. All arguments for deleting AFOL would also apply for Trekkie. Also AFOL does not only refer to an online community, there are large, international AFOL events (mainly in Europe and North America) with thousands of visitors every year. (I am somewhat biased, since I would consider myself an AFOL.) [[User:Ckruetze|ckruetze]] 13:35, 14 June 2007 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep''' Wikipedia is meant to be a source where you can find information and meanings of words, acronyms, abbreviations and many more topics we normally have no or little idea of their meaning. Therefore, we need a place to search for these things using platforms such as Wikipedia to find out more. Deleting anything where information (particularly correct information) is provided to acknowledge and share the meaning/s and let others know what something in particular actually means, is not the wisest of ideas and Wikipedia loses its very purpose when this happens. I am what I consider to be an AFOL; I am an (female) Adult fan of LEGO. You cannot change that nor can you change the fact that there are thousands of AFOLs all on the same planet. Please do not delete the term, people who do not understand or know what an AFOL is, need a place such as Wikipedia to find out what it really stands for and means.[[User:LegoM|LegoM]] 13:54, 14 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Some years later, he carved the Girl with a Shell, a very similar study. |
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*'''Comment''' Yes, there may be thousands of AFOLs, I don't doubt that. But I doubt that for most of the world, they will ever come across the term AFOL in everyday conversation. Most people's lives don't revolve around a children's toy. Thousands of members isn't enough when there is no press coverage from a neutral, 3rd party source. I am in the MCRmy, the street team for [[My Chemical Romance]]. There are around 68,000 and probably more, people in the Rmy. We have meet up's (which would be your conventions), large groups of us go to concerts and hand out promo, and we have many MCRmy related events in our local areas. But do I think we need a Wikipedia article? No. The simple answer is that the Rmy, and your group as well, isn't notable enough to attract press coverage. Therefore, there are '''no''' 3rd party neutral sources. If it can't be verified by a reputable 3rd party source, then it doesn't really have a place in Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not for things made up in school one day. Now, before you jump on me for saying this, let me explain. According to the article and BrickWiki, the term was created by Lego Co. employees. That makes it a neologism. Neologisms don't have a place in Wikipedia unless they are highly notable. That would mean that a large amount of the public would have to use the word. If the article is kept, it should be '''trans-wikied to Wikitionary'''. |
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Carpeaux sought real life subjects in the streets and broke with the classical tradition. The Neapolitan Fisherboy's body is carved in intimate detail and shows an intricately balanced pose. Carpeaux claimed that he based the Neapolitan Fisherboy on a boy he had seen during a trip to [[Naples]]. |
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==External links== |
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*[http://cartelfr.louvre.fr/cartelfr/visite?srv=rs_display_res&critere=jean+baptiste+carpeaux&operator=AND&nbToDisplay=5&langue=fr A page on the official Louvre site giving access to some of Carpeaux's works (French language only)] |
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*[http://www.insecula.com/contact/A005511_oeuvre_1.html A page from insecula.com listing more views of Carpeaux's works (also in French;] it may be necessary to close an advertising window to view this page) |
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*[http://www.studiolo.org/MMA-Ugolino/Ugolino.htm A page analysing Carpeaux's ''Ugolino'', with numerous illustrations] |
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Jean-Baptiste Carpeaux (May 11, 1827, Valenciennes –October 12, 1875, Courbevoie) was a French sculptor and painter. His early studies were under François Rude. Carpeaux won the Prix de Rome in 1854, and moving to Rome to find inspiration, he there studied the works of Michelangelo, Donatello and Verrocchio. Staying in Rome from 1854 to 1861, he obtained a taste for movement and spontaneity, which he joined with the great principles of baroque art. In 1861 he made a bust of Princess Mathilde, and this later brought him several commissions from Napoleon III. He worked at the pavilion of Flora, and the Opéra Garnier. His group La Danse (the Dance, 1869), situated on the right side of the façade, was criticised as an offence to common decency.
He never managed to finish his last work, the famous Fountain of the Four Parts of the Earth, on the Place Camille Jullian. He did finish the terrestrial globe, supported by the four figures of Asia, Europe, America and Africa, and it was Emmanuel Frémiet who completed the work by adding the eight leaping horses, the tortoises and the dolphins of the basin.
Sculptures by Carpeaux
- Ugolin et ses fils - Ugolino and his Sons (1861, in the permanent collection of the Metropolitan Museum of Art)[[1]] with versions in other museums including the Musée d'Orsay
- The Dance (commissioned for the Opera Garnier)
- Jeune pêcheur à la coquille - Neapolitan Fisherboy - in the Louvre, Paris [[2]]
- Girl with Shell
- Antoine Watteau monument, Valenciennes
Neapolitan Fisherboy
Carpeaux submitted a plaster version of Pêcheur napolitain à la coquille, the Neapolitan Fisherboy, to the French Academy while a student in Rome. He carved the marble version several years later, showing it in the Salon exhibition of 1863. It was purchased for Napoleon III's empress, Eugènie. The statue of the young smiling boy was very popular, and Carpeaux created a number of reproductions and variations in marble and bronze. There is a copy, for instance, in the Samuel H. Kress Collection in the National Gallery of Art in Washington D.C.
Some years later, he carved the Girl with a Shell, a very similar study.
Carpeaux sought real life subjects in the streets and broke with the classical tradition. The Neapolitan Fisherboy's body is carved in intimate detail and shows an intricately balanced pose. Carpeaux claimed that he based the Neapolitan Fisherboy on a boy he had seen during a trip to Naples.
External links
- A page on the official Louvre site giving access to some of Carpeaux's works (French language only)
- A page from insecula.com listing more views of Carpeaux's works (also in French; it may be necessary to close an advertising window to view this page)
- A page analysing Carpeaux's Ugolino, with numerous illustrations