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[[Image:Jean-Baptiste Carpeaux's marble sculpture 'Ugolino and his Sons', Metropolitan Museum of Art.jpg|thumb|right|400px|Jean-Baptiste Carpeaux's marble sculpture 'Ugolino and his Sons', Metropolitan Museum of Art]]
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[[Image:Jean-Baptiste_Carpeaux_La_Danse.jpg|thumb|right|400px|La Danse (The Dance), Opera Garnier in Paris]]
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'''Jean-Baptiste Carpeaux''' ([[May 11]], [[1827]], [[Valenciennes]] –[[October 12]], [[1875]], [[Courbevoie]]) was a French sculptor and painter. His early studies were under [[François Rude]]. Carpeaux won the [[Prix de Rome]] in [[1854]], and moving to [[Rome]] to find inspiration, he there studied the works of [[Michelangelo Buonarroti|Michelangelo]], [[Donatello]] and [[Andrea del Verrocchio|Verrocchio]]. Staying in Rome from [[1854]] to [[1861]], he obtained a taste for movement and spontaneity, which he joined with the great principles of [[baroque art]]. In [[1861]] he made a bust of [[Mathilde Bonaparte|Princess Mathilde]], and this later brought him several commissions from [[Napoleon III]]. He worked at the pavilion of [[Flora (goddess)|Flora]], and the [[Opéra Garnier]]. His group La Danse (the Dance, [[1869]]), situated on the right side of the façade, was criticised as an offence to common decency.
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==Statement of the dispute==
* {{userlinks|Eep²}}


He never managed to finish his last work, the famous Fountain of the Four Parts of the Earth, on the Place Camille Jullian. He did finish the terrestrial globe, supported by the four figures of [[Asia]], [[Europe]], [[North America|America]] and [[Africa]], and it was [[Emmanuel Frémiet]] who completed the work by adding the eight leaping horses, the tortoises and the dolphins of the basin.
Eep² displays a number of behaviours which are problematic for the community.
* characterises admins as "wiktators" [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JzG&diff=prev&oldid=128395397], pretends this is not incivil [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Eep%C2%B2&diff=prev&oldid=128866092].
* asserts that those who remove content he likes are "wiki nazis/trolls/vultures" [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Eep%C2%B2&direction=prev&oldid=40441995]
* deliberate end-runs around deletion policy [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Eep%C2%B2&direction=prev&oldid=40441995], [[User:Eep²/todo]]
* incivility [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Nick_mallory&diff=prev&oldid=126811014]
* a degree of passion which goes beyond advocacy and into disruption, as seen at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peter Beter]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eep (7th nomination)]], others.


== Sculptures by Carpeaux ==
In short: it appears to be Eep²'s view that where consensus conflicts with his own agenda, consensus is wrong.


* Ugolin et ses fils - [[Ugolino della Gherardesca|Ugolino]] and his Sons (1861, in the permanent collection of the [[Metropolitan Museum of Art]])[[http://www.insecula.com/oeuvre/photo_ME0000009025.html]] with versions in other museums including the [[Musée d'Orsay]]
=== Desired outcome ===
* The Dance (commissioned for the [[Palais Garnier|Opera Garnier]])
* an end to the "wiktators" crap and similar aggressive posturing, including the "despises dictators" anti-admin userbox
* Jeune pêcheur à la coquille - [[Naples|Neapolitan]] Fisherboy - in the [[Louvre]], [[Paris]] [[http://www.insecula.com/oeuvre/photo_ME0000034255.html]]
* acceptance of consensus ins respect of deletions etc.
* Girl with Shell
* a substantial reduction in "dick quotient" in debates.
* [[Antoine Watteau]] monument, [[Valenciennes]]


==Neapolitan Fisherboy==
=== Description ===
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Carpeaux submitted a plaster version of ''Pêcheur napolitain à la coquille'', the Neapolitan Fisherboy, to the [[French Academy]] while a student in [[Rome]]. He carved the marble version several years later, showing it in the Salon exhibition of 1863. It was purchased for [[Napoleon III]]'s empress, [[Eugénie de Montijo|Eugènie]]. The statue of the young smiling boy was very popular, and Carpeaux created a number of reproductions and variations in marble and bronze. There is a copy, for instance, in the Samuel H. Kress Collection in the [[National Gallery of Art]] in [[Washington D.C.]]
=== Evidence of disputed behavior ===
* characterises admins as "wiktators" [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JzG&diff=prev&oldid=128395397], pretends this is not incivil [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Eep%C2%B2&diff=prev&oldid=128866092].
* asserts that those who remove content he likes are "wiki nazis/trolls/vultures" [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Eep%C2%B2&direction=prev&oldid=40441995]
* deliberate end-runs around deletion policy [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Eep%C2%B2&direction=prev&oldid=40441995], [[User:Eep²/todo]]
* incivility [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Nick_mallory&diff=prev&oldid=126811014]
:# <b>[[User Talk:JzG|Guy]]</b> <small>([[User:JzG/help|Help!]])</small> 10:52, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


Some years later, he carved the Girl with a Shell, a very similar study.
=== Applicable policies and guidelines ===
[[WP:CIVIL|civility]], [[WP:DP|deletion policy]], [[WP:CON|consensus]], [[WP:USER|user space usage]].
:# <b>[[User Talk:JzG|Guy]]</b> <small>([[User:JzG/help|Help!]])</small> 11:16, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
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Carpeaux sought real life subjects in the streets and broke with the classical tradition. The Neapolitan Fisherboy's body is carved in intimate detail and shows an intricately balanced pose. Carpeaux claimed that he based the Neapolitan Fisherboy on a boy he had seen during a trip to [[Naples]].
=== Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute ===
(provide diffs and links)
:# [[User:BillC]] requests an end to the wiktator nonsense; Eep pretends innocence, uses distraction fallacies [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Eep%C2%B2&diff=prev&oldid=128883986]
:# [[User:Coredesat]] notes issues with behaviour on MfD [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AEep%C2%B2&diff=128752305&oldid=128739997]
:# [[User:Ruhrfisch]] originally left a message on Eep's talk page concerning an edit to [[York, Pennsylvania]], found the User Page problem and asked that it be fixed too, or else s/he would ask for its removal [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Eep%C2%B2&diff=prev&oldid=128006192]. Two days later, when the edit to York was fixed and the Eep User Page was not, s/he opened an [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Eep²|MfD]] and notified Eep [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AEep%C2%B2&diff=128346784&oldid=128006192].


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:#[[User:Coredesat|Core]][[User talk:Coredesat|<font color="#006449">desat</font>]] 18:18, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
:#[[User:Ruhrfisch|Ruhrfisch]] 21:17, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


*[http://cartelfr.louvre.fr/cartelfr/visite?srv=rs_display_res&critere=jean+baptiste+carpeaux&operator=AND&nbToDisplay=5&langue=fr A page on the official Louvre site giving access to some of Carpeaux's works (French language only)]
=== Other users who endorse this summary ===
*[http://www.insecula.com/contact/A005511_oeuvre_1.html A page from insecula.com listing more views of Carpeaux's works (also in French;] it may be necessary to close an advertising window to view this page)
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*[http://www.studiolo.org/MMA-Ugolino/Ugolino.htm A page analysing Carpeaux's ''Ugolino'', with numerous illustrations]
:# [[User:Modemac|Modemac]] 17:36, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
:# [[User:Dcooper|Dcooper]] 19:07, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
:# [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 03:14, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
:# [[User:Will Beback|Will Beback]] · [[User talk:Will Beback|†]] · 05:34, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
:# <em>&mdash;<font color="Indigo">[[User:Gaff|Gaff]]</font> <sup><small><b><font color="MediumSlateBlue">[[User_talk:Gaff|ταλκ]]</font></b></small></sup></em> 21:08, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
:# [[User:JHunterJ|JHunterJ]] 22:40, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
:# --[[User:Steven J. Anderson|Steven J. Anderson]] 09:11, 30 May 2007 (UTC) I endorse with the sole caveat that the "Desired outcome" seems to call for voluntary reform on User's part. I have seen nothing in his conduct that points toward that being likely.
:# [[User:Piet Delport|Piet Delport]] 06:11, 13 June 2007 (UTC) I agree that no reform seems likely.
:#—[[User:Ezhiki|Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky)]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;([[User talk:Ezhiki|yo?]]); 19:22, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
:# [[User:Krimpet|Krimpet]] ([[User talk:Krimpet|talk]]) 13:27, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


[[Category:French sculptors|Carpeaux, Jean-Baptiste]]
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==Outside view by [[User:Addhoc|Addhoc]]==
OK, his user page probably should be modified and there isn't any excuse for incivility, however there is nothing wrong with making a user space copy of a deleted article. Also in the [[Peter Beter]] AfD, he gives his opinion of keep and discusses sources to demonstrate notability, which is acceptable. [[User:Addhoc|Addhoc]] 22:56, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

==Outside view of [[User:Dcooper|Dcooper]]==
I'd like to add some more examples of the incivility of this user:

* Attacking admins [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Eep%C2%B2&diff=prev&oldid=128883986]
*Calling users idiots [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Paranormal&diff=prev&oldid=128399934], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Eep%C2%B2&diff=prev&oldid=128771794]. He loves to say [[duh]] to other editors.
* Attacks users who have warned him about his incivility: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Eep%C2%B2&diff=prev&oldid=124282444]
*There are many examples on [[User talk:Eep²]] of him calling users nazis, wiktators, etc.

Eep2 needs to completely stop being uncivil. However, he has been warned before and based on his response I doubt that he will

Users who endorse this summary:
#--[[User:Dcooper|Dcooper]] 13:13, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
# -[[User:Will Beback|Will Beback]] · [[User talk:Will Beback|†]] · 19:35, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
#--[[User:Coredesat|Core]][[User talk:Coredesat|<font color="#006449">desat</font>]] 22:12, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
#--[[User:Ruhrfisch|Ruhrfisch]] 00:53, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
# [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 05:10, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
#--[[User:Chuck Sirloin|Chuck Sirloin]] 20:33, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
#--'''[[User:Sr13|Sr13]]''' '''([[User talk:Sr13|T]]'''|'''[[Special:Contributions/Sr13|C]]''') 07:02, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
#--Totally unacceptable behavior from an editor. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 00:45, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
# -[[User:Amarkov|Amarkov]] <small>[[User_talk:Amarkov|moo!]]</small> 01:22, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
# '''[[User:Daniel.Bryant|<span style="color:#2E82F4">Daniel&nbsp;Bryant</span>]]''' 00:06, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
# <em>&mdash;<font color="Indigo">[[User:Gaff|Gaff]]</font> <sup><small><b><font color="MediumSlateBlue">[[User_talk:Gaff|ταλκ]]</font></b></small></sup></em> 21:13, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
# ---[[User:Steven J. Anderson|Steven J. Anderson]] 09:02, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
# - <font color="SteelBlue">[[User:Aeon1006|Æon]]</font> <font color="red"><sup>[[User talk:Aeon1006|Insanity Now!]]</sup></font> 04:03, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

==Outside view of [[User:MER-C|MER-C]]==
It's not stopping: I reverted some trolling/personal attacks directed at me by this user at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miguel Condé]] - [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FMiguel_Cond%C3%A9&diff=128696542&oldid=128516681] - only to have it restored [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Miguel_Cond%C3%A9&diff=next&oldid=128920688] with a vague threat posted on my talk page: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MER-C&curid=11052738&diff=129138313&oldid=128893069]. I don't see this user changing.

Users who endorse this summary:
# [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 03:29, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
# -[[User:Will Beback|Will Beback]] · [[User talk:Will Beback|†]] · 03:56, 8 May 2007 (UTC) (I've issued a level-3 NPA warning to the user.)
#-[[User:Dcooper|Dcooper]] 12:03, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
# --[[User:Coredesat|Core]][[User talk:Coredesat|<font color="#006449">desat</font>]] 22:02, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
# -'''[[User:Sr13|Sr13]]''' '''([[User talk:Sr13|T]]'''|'''[[Special:Contributions/Sr13|C]]''') 07:15, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
# '''[[User:Daniel.Bryant|<span style="color:#2E82F4">Daniel&nbsp;Bryant</span>]]''' 00:06, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
# -[[User:Amarkov|Amarkov]] <small>[[User_talk:Amarkov|moo!]]</small> 02:29, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
# <em>&mdash;<font color="Indigo">[[User:Gaff|Gaff]]</font> <sup><small><b><font color="MediumSlateBlue">[[User_talk:Gaff|ταλκ]]</font></b></small></sup></em> 22:18, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
# ---[[User:Steven J. Anderson|Steven J. Anderson]] 09:04, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
# - <font color="SteelBlue">[[User:Aeon1006|Æon]]</font> <font color="red"><sup>[[User talk:Aeon1006|Insanity Now!]]</sup></font> 04:03, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

==Outside view of [[User:El_hombre_de_haha|ehdh]]==
I ran into this user during the [[Michael Tsarion]] AfD. I am not an expert on that individual, but he alerted me on my talk page that it was up for deletion, and I really didn't understand why, so I decided to help. I did a very basic copyedit, reccommended keep in the AfD, and suggested more diverse sources be added. [[User:Eep²|Eep²]] did that. My observation of [[User:Eep²|Eep²]] is that he is a very passionate editor that sometimes takes comments and actions the wrong way and becomes defensive, leading to civility problems. I think that [[User:Eep²|Eep²]] is a good editor, but certain personalities need to be approached in different ways. [[User:Eep²|Eep²]] should be reminded to calm himself before he feels an urge to make a potentially uncivil reply, and remember that people are not out to get him personally. [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_not_that_important|Wikipedia is not that important]]. [[User:El hombre de haha|ehdh]] 07:32, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

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:# [[User:Addhoc|Addhoc]] 10:24, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
:# [[User:Will Beback|Will Beback]] · [[User talk:Will Beback|†]] · 11:11, 8 May 2007 (UTC). Yes, and perhaps this user has just been in a cranky mood recently (we all have those times). He has made good edits, sometimes with prompting. Perhaps if the editor can commit to being non-combative he can return to editing here productively. -[[User:Will Beback|Will Beback]] · [[User talk:Will Beback|†]] · 11:11, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
:# [[User:Chuck Sirloin|Chuck Sirloin]] 20:32, 8 May 2007 (UTC). I agree that, in most of the things I read, it was his/her quick conclusion that anyone who disagreed with them was after them personally (or the things in which they believe) when this is not usually the case.
:#--[[User:CJLL Wright|cjllw]]<font color="#DAA520"> <span title="Pronunciation in IPA" class="IPA">ʘ</span> </font><small>''[[User talk:CJLL Wright|TALK]]''</small> 07:48, 9 May 2007 (UTC) I think there seems to be more bark than bite here. In limited exposure, I've also seen Eep work constructively for the benefit of the article, and seen shown willingness to change tack and listen in light of content-related discussions. There are other less confrontational editors sometimes seen holding on to positions much more stubbornly.
:# '''[[User:Sr13|Sr13]]''' '''([[User talk:Sr13|T]]'''|'''[[Special:Contributions/Sr13|C]]''') 07:20, 10 May 2007 (UTC). I guess that this user is a little on the down side at the moment. Eep's done a lot of good here, and I want him/her to stay.
:# [[User:Ruhrfisch|Ruhrfisch]] 17:32, 10 May 2007 (UTC) My complaint was with Eep's User Page, not Eep personally. I do think [[WP:AGF|assume good faith]] always has an element of cost/benefit analysis to it - if an editor becomes too disruptive, the cost to the encyclopedia becomes too high. I hope very much this does not happen with Eep. [[User:Ruhrfisch|Ruhrfisch]] 17:32, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
:# <em>&mdash;<font color="Indigo">[[User:Gaff|Gaff]]</font> <sup><small><b><font color="MediumSlateBlue">[[User_talk:Gaff|ταλκ]]</font></b></small></sup></em> 21:21, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
:# [[User:IPSOS|IPSOS]] ([[User talk:IPSOS|talk]]) 05:23, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

==Outside View of [[User:Nick mallory]]==

I completely disagree with [[User:Eep²|Eep²]]'s views about literally everything and have clashed with him [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Nick_mallory&diff=prev&oldid=126811014]] on several occasions, most recently [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Conspiracy_Con]], however I'm certainly not in 'dispute' with him and feel I must write in his support here. We should all be prepared to engage in robust debate and though he can come across as rude Wikipedia would be a much less colourful place without him. A dull, stifled, politically correct attitude to everything kills the inventive spirit which Wikipedia should exemplify and though [[User:Eep²|Eep²]] can be infuriating in his manner I personally don't feel he's done anything which warrants punitive action against him. [[User:Nick mallory|Nick mallory]] 08:36, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

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== Outside view of [[User:Steven J. Anderson]] ==

I think if I were in [[User:Eep²|Eep²]]'s position I would make every effort to show good faith by, at minimum, avoiding controversial editing during the pendency of this RfC. Instead, in just the last few days, he has repeatedly reverted [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mysteries_of_the_Bible&action=history] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discover_Magazine_(TV_series)&action=history] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History%27s_Mysteries&action=history] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Unexplained&action=history] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jim_Marrs&action=history] the efforts of multiple editors, including an admin, to repair links to disambiguation (dab) pages, frequently placing that endearing little [[duh]] in his edit summary. (Is this the sort of "robust debate" we must be prepared to engage in when interacting with Eep?) There's currently a major Wikipedia project to repair links to dab pages, which are almost ''always'' erroneous, clearly so in the cases mentioned. Eep continues to insist upon retaining these clearly erroneous links. I can't see any sign that he has any likelihood of modifying his behavior in response to entreaties from other editors and admins, warnings, or 24 hour blocks. Even the existence of this RfC hasn't accomplished that. He continues to edit-war, make uncivil edit summaries and engage in personal attacks, including [[User_talk:Eep%C2%B2#Links_to_.22mystery.22|this one]] toward an admin who tried to help him, in the mildest possible terms, to understand the guideline regarding links to dab pages.

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:# As one of the guys involved in the DAB project, running into the mentioned reverts, I endorse this summary -[[User:Catneven|Catneven]] 21:01, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
:# Having reviewed Eeps edits made during the pendency of the RfA (which have led to his block). <em>&mdash;<font color="Indigo">[[User:Gaff|Gaff]]</font> <sup><small><b><font color="MediumSlateBlue">[[User_talk:Gaff|ταλκ]]</font></b></small></sup></em> 17:28, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
:# [[User:IPSOS|IPSOS]] ([[User talk:IPSOS|talk]]) 05:24, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
:# [[User:Piet Delport|Piet Delport]] 10:49, 13 June 2007 (UTC) Eep² seems to have endured more attempts at patient mentoring and remediation than most Wikipedians could hope for, to little apparent effect.
:# [[User:DennisTheTiger|'''<span style="background:Orange;color:Black">Dennis The Tiger</span>''']] ([[User talk:DennisTheTiger|Rawr]] and [[Special:Contributions/DennisTheTiger|stuff]]) 19:56, 14 June 2007 (UTC) - see my statement below as well.

== Outside view of [[User:Catneven]] ==
Since I only just now found out he re-reverted my DAB edits again calling me a punk [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mystery&curid=59454&action=history], only to get reverted by somebody else. Eep does not respond to outlining the guidelines and is very, very rude. I think punitive steps are becoming quite an option.-[[User:Catneven|Catneven]] 21:15, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
:Restarted the [[duh]] behavior, and is now at the point of outright cursing [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mystery#Requested_move]. 11:47, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

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#<em>&mdash;<font color="Indigo">[[User:Gaff|Gaff]]</font> <sup><small><b><font color="MediumSlateBlue">[[User_talk:Gaff|ταλκ]]</font></b></small></sup></em> 22:11, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
#--[[User:Steven J. Anderson|Steven J. Anderson]] 09:01, 30 May 2007 (UTC) I will also point out that while involved in a dispute regarding the guideline at [[WP:D]] Eep has taken the rather creative step of actually [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Disambiguation&action=history ''editing the guideline''] to empahsize a section that he (erroneously) thinks bolsters his view.
# -- [[User:JHunterJ|JHunterJ]] 13:39, 31 May 2007 (UTC) The post-block insults continue: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Darker_%28disambiguation%29&diff=134804129&oldid=134694357]
#[[User:Dcooper|Dcooper]] 19:54, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
# [[User:Piet Delport|Piet Delport]] 07:09, 13 June 2007 (UTC) I do not mind tuning out incivility, but the user's prolific revisioning of disambiguation pages is sucking up needless amounts of editing resources to clean up: this has to stop.

Can we restart the RfC about this user? His disruptive behavior (going in against disambiguation guidelines/policies) and insults continue. I would like to propose more permanent or longer punitive steps against him.
# I agree. <em>&mdash;<font color="Indigo">[[User:Gaff|Gaff]]</font> <sup><small><b><font color="MediumSlateBlue">[[User_talk:Gaff|ταλκ]]</font></b></small></sup></em> 19:57, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Evidence:[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mystery_%28disambiguation%29#Compromise][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mystery_%28disambiguation%29#The_see_also_section][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Inner]

== Outside view of [[User:Gaff]] ==
This user [[User:Eep²|'''Σɛ<sub>Þ</sub>²''']] has some very controversial views on how Wikipedia can be a better place. This user has run itno some major issues with civility in dealing with other users. Nonetheless, [[User:Eep²|'''Σɛ<sub>Þ</sub>²''']] is deep down working towards improving the project. Specifically, through pages such as [[Outer]] and [[Inner]] [[User:Eep²|'''Σɛ<sub>Þ</sub>²''']] works to bring about a [[paradigm shift]] in the flawed search/browsing features of Wikipedia. This is an argument of [[Relativism]] as [[User:Eep²|'''Σɛ<sub>Þ</sub>²''']] has asserted, even if the claim was not done very [[Tact|tactfully]]. While I cannot endorse the incivitly and attacking style of [[User:Eep²|'''Σɛ<sub>Þ</sub>²''']] I do agree that this user works towards making Wikipedia a better encyclopedia. <em>&mdash;<font color="Indigo">[[User:Gaff|Gaff]]</font> <sup><small><b><font color="MediumSlateBlue">[[User_talk:Gaff|ταλκ]]</font></b></small></sup></em> 05:45, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

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'''Comment''' At this point, not even I endorse this summary. Forget it. <em>&mdash;<font color="Indigo">[[User:Gaff|Gaff]]</font> <sup><small><b><font color="MediumSlateBlue">[[User_talk:Gaff|ταλκ]]</font></b></small></sup></em> 06:30, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

== Outside view of [[User:Zero1328]] ==
It doesn't appear to be said how far back the problem has been going, but I can see that the bad behavior is appearing all over the place. Though Eep's intentions may be fairly good, it's clear that Eep has a fairly negative view of fellow contributors, and assumes bad faith all over the place. [[WP:TINC]].

On another related note, I would think most of these outside views are invalid. My interpretation of an "outside view" is a neutral view from a person who has not been involved with the user. If you want to add evidence, amend the summary. Add yourself to the list of users certifying the basis. - [[User:Zero1328|Zero1328]] <sub>[[User talk:Zero1328|Talk?]]</sub> 13:43, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

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# [[User:Piet Delport|Piet Delport]] 16:43, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


==Outside view of [[User:DennisTheTiger]]==

I'm not sure if this qualifies as an ''outside'' view since I've encountered him during the course of an [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of "closed" articles|AfD]], but this comes after looking at him closer.

My initial encounter of Eep left me with the impression that he was unclear as to the purpose of disambiguation pages, and that they did not need to be created for things that needed no such disambiguation - in this case, I used the comparison of [[Closed captioned]] and [[Closed source]], two things that are in no need of a dabbing whatsoever, but were on this page nevertheless. Closer examination, however, tells me that this behavior is pretty much par for the course. Eep^2 seems to hold tightly to [[WP:IAR]] and flagrantly ignores the spirit thereof - and while I'm all for being different and iconoclastic, what he wants is, in my opinion, against the spirit of Wikipedia as a whole.

[[User:DennisTheTiger|'''<span style="background:Orange;color:Black">Dennis The Tiger</span>''']] ([[User talk:DennisTheTiger|Rawr]] and [[Special:Contributions/DennisTheTiger|stuff]]) 21:33, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

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# [[User:Piet Delport|Piet Delport]] 21:46, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

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Jean-Baptiste Carpeaux's marble sculpture 'Ugolino and his Sons', Metropolitan Museum of Art
La Danse (The Dance), Opera Garnier in Paris
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Jean-Baptiste Carpeaux (May 11, 1827, Valenciennes –October 12, 1875, Courbevoie) was a French sculptor and painter. His early studies were under François Rude. Carpeaux won the Prix de Rome in 1854, and moving to Rome to find inspiration, he there studied the works of Michelangelo, Donatello and Verrocchio. Staying in Rome from 1854 to 1861, he obtained a taste for movement and spontaneity, which he joined with the great principles of baroque art. In 1861 he made a bust of Princess Mathilde, and this later brought him several commissions from Napoleon III. He worked at the pavilion of Flora, and the Opéra Garnier. His group La Danse (the Dance, 1869), situated on the right side of the façade, was criticised as an offence to common decency.

He never managed to finish his last work, the famous Fountain of the Four Parts of the Earth, on the Place Camille Jullian. He did finish the terrestrial globe, supported by the four figures of Asia, Europe, America and Africa, and it was Emmanuel Frémiet who completed the work by adding the eight leaping horses, the tortoises and the dolphins of the basin.

Sculptures by Carpeaux

Neapolitan Fisherboy

Carpeaux submitted a plaster version of Pêcheur napolitain à la coquille, the Neapolitan Fisherboy, to the French Academy while a student in Rome. He carved the marble version several years later, showing it in the Salon exhibition of 1863. It was purchased for Napoleon III's empress, Eugènie. The statue of the young smiling boy was very popular, and Carpeaux created a number of reproductions and variations in marble and bronze. There is a copy, for instance, in the Samuel H. Kress Collection in the National Gallery of Art in Washington D.C.

Some years later, he carved the Girl with a Shell, a very similar study.

Carpeaux sought real life subjects in the streets and broke with the classical tradition. The Neapolitan Fisherboy's body is carved in intimate detail and shows an intricately balanced pose. Carpeaux claimed that he based the Neapolitan Fisherboy on a boy he had seen during a trip to Naples.

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