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'''Jean-Baptiste Carpeaux''' ([[May 11]], [[1827]], [[Valenciennes]] –[[October 12]], [[1875]], [[Courbevoie]]) was a French sculptor and painter. His early studies were under [[François Rude]]. Carpeaux won the [[Prix de Rome]] in [[1854]], and moving to [[Rome]] to find inspiration, he there studied the works of [[Michelangelo Buonarroti|Michelangelo]], [[Donatello]] and [[Andrea del Verrocchio|Verrocchio]]. Staying in Rome from [[1854]] to [[1861]], he obtained a taste for movement and spontaneity, which he joined with the great principles of [[baroque art]]. In [[1861]] he made a bust of [[Mathilde Bonaparte|Princess Mathilde]], and this later brought him several commissions from [[Napoleon III]]. He worked at the pavilion of [[Flora (goddess)|Flora]], and the [[Opéra Garnier]]. His group La Danse (the Dance, [[1869]]), situated on the right side of the façade, was criticised as an offence to common decency.
== Start Fresh ==


He never managed to finish his last work, the famous Fountain of the Four Parts of the Earth, on the Place Camille Jullian. He did finish the terrestrial globe, supported by the four figures of [[Asia]], [[Europe]], [[North America|America]] and [[Africa]], and it was [[Emmanuel Frémiet]] who completed the work by adding the eight leaping horses, the tortoises and the dolphins of the basin.
I have archived the previous discussions. [[User:Tom harrison|Tom Harrison]] <sup>[[User talk:Tom harrison|Talk]]</sup> 21:13, 14 March 2006 (UTC)


== Image Change ==
== Sculptures by Carpeaux ==


* Ugolin et ses fils - [[Ugolino della Gherardesca|Ugolino]] and his Sons (1861, in the permanent collection of the [[Metropolitan Museum of Art]])[[http://www.insecula.com/oeuvre/photo_ME0000009025.html]] with versions in other museums including the [[Musée d'Orsay]]
* I personally hate the main image for this article and I was wondering if anyone would be bothered if it were changed, preferably to something more recent?[[User:Jimmyjrg|Jimmyjrg]] 13:02, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
* The Dance (commissioned for the [[Palais Garnier|Opera Garnier]])
* Jeune pêcheur à la coquille - [[Naples|Neapolitan]] Fisherboy - in the [[Louvre]], [[Paris]] [[http://www.insecula.com/oeuvre/photo_ME0000034255.html]]
* Girl with Shell
* [[Antoine Watteau]] monument, [[Valenciennes]]


==Neapolitan Fisherboy==
* I don't love the image, but if anything I'd say use an image from them in their prime. [[User:Aroundthewayboy|Aroundthewayboy]] 01:35, 8 April 2006 (UTC)


Carpeaux submitted a plaster version of ''Pêcheur napolitain à la coquille'', the Neapolitan Fisherboy, to the [[French Academy]] while a student in [[Rome]]. He carved the marble version several years later, showing it in the Salon exhibition of 1863. It was purchased for [[Napoleon III]]'s empress, [[Eugénie de Montijo|Eugènie]]. The statue of the young smiling boy was very popular, and Carpeaux created a number of reproductions and variations in marble and bronze. There is a copy, for instance, in the Samuel H. Kress Collection in the [[National Gallery of Art]] in [[Washington D.C.]]


Some years later, he carved the Girl with a Shell, a very similar study.


Carpeaux sought real life subjects in the streets and broke with the classical tradition. The Neapolitan Fisherboy's body is carved in intimate detail and shows an intricately balanced pose. Carpeaux claimed that he based the Neapolitan Fisherboy on a boy he had seen during a trip to [[Naples]].
* That image is terrible, it looks like the kind of poster a 90's bong-head would have stuck on their wall, I'd prefer one of them in their intergalactic outifts... but then again, that's just me [[User:PeterPartyOn|PeterPartyOn]] 13:57, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
**I like that idea, or of them in concert. [[User:Aroundthewayboy|Aroundthewayboy]] 04:26, 27 April 2006 (UTC)


==External links==
*You are all right. This image needs to be changed. It's almost embarassing to the Beastie Boys. We should put an "old school" b-boy pic up or something like that.


*[http://cartelfr.louvre.fr/cartelfr/visite?srv=rs_display_res&critere=jean+baptiste+carpeaux&operator=AND&nbToDisplay=5&langue=fr A page on the official Louvre site giving access to some of Carpeaux's works (French language only)]
*[http://www.insecula.com/contact/A005511_oeuvre_1.html A page from insecula.com listing more views of Carpeaux's works (also in French;] it may be necessary to close an advertising window to view this page)
*[http://www.studiolo.org/MMA-Ugolino/Ugolino.htm A page analysing Carpeaux's ''Ugolino'', with numerous illustrations]


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* hey i was thinking that somebody should post a pic of every era in every section that discusses that era. like in the hello nasty section post a pic of the boys from the hello nasty days?
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The point of Wikipedia is to provide free information. Restricted-use images are to be avoided. I realize that the CC-licensed photo I uploaded is not the best, so please try to find a better one; but do ''not'' replace it with an unlicensed, copyrighted photo. The tag for the previous image specifically says that the image is only to be used "[w]here no free equivalent is available or '''could be created'''" (emphasis mine). That certainly isn't the case here. Come on folks--go bring your cameras to their shows and get a better shot. &mdash;[[User:Chowbok|Chowbok]] 15:14, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
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: I have also sent an e-mail to their people asking if they could release a publicity photo under an acceptable licence. I'll put something here if I hear back. &mdash;[[User:Chowbok|Chowbok]] 15:21, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
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== Right Right Now Now ==

Pretty sure this was released as a single off the "5 Boroughs" album. There's a video for it. --[[User:Scaryice|Scaryice]] 23:40, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

==Mullet==

From the section on Grand Royal Magazine: 'The 1995 issue of the magazine contained the first print reference of the expression, "mullet," to describe the hairstyle.'

This is untrue and there is no proof that the Beasties coined the term "mullet" to describe that particular haircut. Nor is there any proof that Grand Royal was the first publication to print the word "mullet" in reference to that (there needs to be defnitive proof, and there really is none. Just saying you can't find any referenced before that 95 issue of the mag is not enough).

I've removed that line from this article before, but someone else who seems to be adamant about the B-Boys association with the mullet keeps putting it back.

I am removing the line again. If you want to say that the B-Boys constantly joke about mullets (as evidenced in their song "mullet head" and a feature on mullets that appeared in Grand Royal magazine) that's fine, because it's true. But to say they somehow originated the name, the idea, or popularized it as a comedic haircut is not accurate.

: As for proof that the Beasties coined the term "mullet," the Oxford English Dictionary supports it, and that trumps every other source on etymology as far as I'm concerned. The OED says: "Apparently coined, and certainly popularized, by U.S. hip-hop group the Beastie Boys (see quot. 1994)" A PDF version of the entry is available at [http://www.andover.edu/library/courseguides/ay2005/SS/Etymology/mulletoed.pdf]. See definition #9.

:I'm putting the claim back in. [[User:Anson2995|Anson2995]] 22:25, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

::I actually am going to dispute the Oxford English Dictionary's claim that the Beasties "coined" the term. I will concede they did "popularize" it, but if you look on the actual wikipedia page for the [[Mullet (haircut)|mullet]], it points out that the term "mullet-head" is used in the film "Cool Hand Luke," George Kennedy's character uses the term to describe Southern men with long hair with short sides. So I think the OED actually got that point wrong (note that they say "apparently").

::I believe the fact that the term Mullet is used in "Cool Hand Luke" in reference to a character's haircut means that the term existed before the '95 Grand Royal magazine article. I do think there is ample evidence to say that the Beastie's popularized it, or put it on the cultural map. But they didn't come up with the term.

:::The term "mullet-head" is used three times in Cool Hand Luke, once in reference to Luke (Paul Newman) and twice in reference to Koko (Lou Antonio). Both men have crew cuts, so it's obviously a term of gerneral derision, not a reference to their haircut. The Random House Historical Dictionary of Slang says that the term "mullet-head" was first mentioned in print in 1857, meaning "a stupid ignorant person." Clearly, that's the context in which Geroge Kennedy's character (Dragline, fwiw) uses it in Cool Hand Luke. The question here isn't about the use of the term "mullet-head" or even "mullet" as a general insult, but the use of the word to describe a particular hairstyle. I vigorously dispute the claim that it was used that way in Cool Hand Luke.

::: Also, in the interest of remaining cordial, could you please sign your posts? Thanks. [[User:Anson2995|Anson2995]] 00:51, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

:::: I'm not even really sure how to sign my posts, but in the spirit of cordiality, I'll just say that I concede the point. Even though I think the Beasties didn't make the name up (it seems to me like the name already existed but the Beasties had a wide audience who learned about it from them first), I can't find anything that verifies they didn't.

::::: I guess I don't disagree with your point that the term wasn't originally invented by them, that the term was probably a bit of existing slang that they picked up on. But I do think the evidence suggests that they were the first one's to use it in mass media or in some published form, and as you say, it's hard to dispute that they popularized it. I think that both points are important and should be conveyed here, and I'd be interested in whether you think what we've done that adequately.

::::: And to sign your posts, just enter four tildes <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>, and your post will be signed and date stamped. That helps so that in the course of a discussion like this, I can understand whether I'm talking with the same person or several different ones. Makes me feel like less of an idiot. :-)[[User:Anson2995|Anson2995]] 14:47, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

:::: and it also let's other people know when the last post was, not knowing if something is out-of-date is not a good idea. --[[User:Taurus8 sam|Sam]] 07:36, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

== Mostly Hip Hop ==

Kudos to the person who had the balls to change the genre from "rapcore" to "hip hop." Although they may occasionally experiment with rapcore, and were a great influence on rapcore, the group is first and foremost rap. Putting down just "rapcore" as the band's main genre shows how ignorant people are of the Beastie Boys' influence in the hip hop community and secured place in hip hop history. The Beastie Boys were one of the very first popular rap groups, along with Run-DMC. Both Run-DMC and the Beastie Boys are responsible for shaping rap music into what it is today, both musically and lyrically. And for all new schoolers, the Beastie Boys profoundly influenced gangsta rap (along with Schooly D, the Beastie Boys were the first rap group to talk about guns, drug and alcohol use, car jacking, and gang activity. Just listen to "Licensed to Ill" and "Paul's Boutique!") Just because they are white and experiment with punk, metal, and alternative music does not make them a rapcore group. That is absurd. Yes, they have played rapcore-like music in the past. But so has Run-DMC. Are the Beastie Boys and Run-DMC rapcore bands? Hell no.

== Image removal ==

Please explain why you're removing an image before you do it (here) or at least in the edit summary. [[User_talk:Ziggur|Ziggur]] 00:34, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

== Billy Joel as "fifth Beastie Boy" ==

I have heard that Mike D once crowned Billy Joel "the fifth Beastie Boy." Can anyone explain the rationale? [[User:J21|J21]] 22:33, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

: Mike D christend Joel as the fifth Beastie in a 1995 article for their 'zine called "BILLY JOEL: He DID Start The Fire, And If He Didn't, Then Who The Hell Did" It's still available online[http://web.archive.org/web/19990117100612/www.grandroyal.com/BeastieBoys/TourZine/FifthBBoy.html] and all I can say is that after reading the article, I have no idea of how to answer your question :-) [[User:Anson2995|Anson2995]] 20:22, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

==Influenced?==

"The band was also a leader in the use of sampling techniques—with Paul's Boutique being notable for its effective use of samples. The influence of this album can be seen on Beck's 1996 Odelay album (also produced by the Dust Brothers)."

These albums were both produced by the Dust Brothers. Soooo...the Dust Brothers influenced themselves? --[[User:24.205.251.41|24.205.251.41]] 23:23, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

F'ng Beck fans. This section is pretty useless, we need someone with a firm hand. --[[User:Es-won|Es-won]] 03:04, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

== The main image ==

The first image in the article should illustrate the topic at hand in a clear and complete manner. The freely licensed picture is garbage for that purpose. It's blurry, underexposed, and you can't even see Adrock's face. See the fair use rationale on the image page. I am aware that if a freely licensed image is available it should be used, but this one is just not up to the cut. [[User_talk:Ziggur|Ziggur]] 17:20, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
:I already addressed this: please see my comment above. &mdash;[[User:Chowbok|Chowbok]] 21:25, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
::Sorry I didn't see it. That topic was a bit old and unrelated. But really, the free image is free but it is seriously '''garbage'''. It doesn't even do its job. Just because it's free shouldn't override the fact that it is almost worthless encyclopedically. I guess I have to restate the point that you can't even see one of the member's faces! The other faces are muddied and one is partially obscured. Imagine if all the fair use pictures on Wikipedia were replaced by bigfoot-esque poor quality, but free-use, photographs. That would certainly do more harm than good. I'm dissapointed that you reverted back to the poor picture without taking into account these concerns, and I'm not going to change it back to the fair use picture without further discourse. [[User_talk:Ziggur|Ziggur]] 01:58, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
:::There's really two issues here. One is whether it's okay (legally and according to Wikipedia policy) to use the publicity photo, and the second is whether the CC-licensed concert photo is too poor-quality to use. As I said before, I don't see how we can use the publicity photo; especially see point #2 of the template, which states it's only okay to use if "...no free equivalent is available or '''could be created''' that would adequately give the same information". This would apply to something like [[:Image:RobertJohson.jpg|the photo]] of [[Robert Johnson]], of whom only two photos exist, and obviously no more can be created. It is certainly ''not'' true of the Beastie Boys, as anybody can go to one of their concerts and create a new, CC-licensed photo. I just can't see how using that photo is acceptable in this case. You seem to be arguing that it's better to have copyright-infringing, high-quality photographs than legal, amateurish photos; by that logic we could take every poorly-written article and replace it with a verbatim ''Encyclopedia Britannica'' entry.

:::The other point is that the current photo is crappy. I think you overstate it, but it certainly wouldn't be my first choice for a photo. As I've argued above, I don't think going to the previous photo is an option. So... is this photo so bad that it would be better to have nothing at all? I think that just like with articles, we should start out with something sub-optimal if we have it, and wait for somebody to improve upon it. I'm sure if we're just patient somebody will upload a decent, properly-licensed photo (it's also possible that Nasty Little Man Productions will respond to my request for an unencumbered publicity photo). However, if you feel strongly about it we can remove this picture and leave it blank. &mdash;[[User:Chowbok|Chowbok]] 03:48, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

:::Also see [http://flickr.com/photos/jpvargas/102950989/ here]. I think that's worse than the one I uploaded, but you can see all three of them. &mdash;[[User:Chowbok|Chowbok]] 03:54, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

::::So because a free equivalent photograph could in theory be created of every living person, and even some dead, all of the fair use photographs of these people (musical groups as well) should be removed from Wikipedia? I just don't follow that logic. Of course I agree that if a free equivalent picture is available it should be used, but what I argue is that the free picture in question is not even near equivalency to the fair use picture for reasons already given. I commend you for asking to use a publicity photo under a free license, but it should not affect whether or not we use a free or fair use image for the moment.<br><br>Also, the fair use photograph that I uploaded is low quality which I explained on the image page under its fair use rationale. [[User_talk:Ziggur|Ziggur]] 05:21, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

:::::Yes, most of the fair use images on Wikipedia are, in fact, in violation of the terms, and should be removed. You don't seem to understand that the quality of the picture I uploaded in no way affects the copyright status of the photo you uploaded. I don't know how to make this any clearer. It says right in the tag that you can't use that image if free images exist or can be created. This fails on ''both'' counts. The point of Wikipedia is not to provide pretty pictures. It's to provide a freely redistributable encyclopedia. Instead of devoting your energies arguing that it's okay to use that publicity photo when it clearly isn't, why not spend your time helping me find an acceptable unencumbered picture?

:::::I'm sorry if I sound snotty, I'm not trying to--I'm just pretty sleepy as I write this. But there's got to be a photo out there that will satisfy both of us. The Beastie Boys themselves have released music under the Creative Commons; if somebody can get through to them it's not inconceivable that they'll put a photo under it as well. &mdash;[[User:Chowbok|Chowbok]] 06:20, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Good news! Nasty Little Man got back to me, and they said all the publicity photos at [http://www.nastylittleman.com/Clients/beastieboys/beastieboys.html] are free to use "with no strings attached". One of those is the photo you uploaded, so I've moved back to that (also replaced it with a higher-resolution copy). &mdash;[[User:Chowbok|Chowbok]] 15:54, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

:Excellent, thank you. [[User_talk:Ziggur|Ziggur]] 19:20, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

==Error==

Quote:

''The Beastie Boys are a hip hop group from the New York City boroughs of Brooklyn and Manhattan. The main members are '''(from left to right on the photo) MCA (Adam Yauch), Mike D (real name Michael Diamond) and King Ad-Rock (Adam Horovitz)'''.''

However, on the photo that is nearby, one can clearly see that the order from left to right is rather Mike D, Ad-Rock and MCA, not MCA, Mike D and Ad-Rock. '''[[User:88.222.177.11|88.222.177.11]] 14:04, 7 September 2006 (UTC)''' (Carnifex)

:Thank you for your suggestion{{{{#if:notsubsted||subst:}}#if:{{{1|}}}|&#32;regarding [[:{{{1}}}]]}}! When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a [[wiki]], so ''anyone'' can edit almost any article by simply following the '''{{MediaWiki:edit}}''' link at the top. You don't even need to [[Special:Userlogin|log in]] (although there are [[Wikipedia:Why create an account?|many reasons why you might want to]]). The Wikipedia community encourages you to [[Wikipedia:Be bold in updating pages|be bold in updating pages]]. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out [[Wikipedia:how to edit a page|''how to edit a page'']], or use the [[Wikipedia:Sandbox|sandbox]] to try out your editing skills. [[Wikipedia:Welcome, newcomers|New contributors are always welcome]]. &mdash;[[User:Chowbok|Chowbok]] 21:01, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

== videography ==

I have moved this in here for the momment from the Videography as I feel it would be better suited for the DVDs page:

To promote the film, as well as their hits album, the Beastie Boys performed a medley of classics from "Three MC's and One D.J." to "So Whatcha Want" on ''[[The Late Show with David Letterman]]'' on February 8, 2006.

To promote the film's DVD release they performed "Root Down" on [[Late Night with Conan O'Brien]] on July 22nd, 2006 --[[User:Jimmyjrg|Jimmyjrg]] 04:29, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

== Ad Rock ==
Ad Rock redirects here but isn't mentioned. {{unsigned|74.128.253.162}}
: Uh, Ad-rock is one of the three members of the Beastie Boys. He's listed as "King Ad-Rock" in the infobox at the top of the article. The second paragraph about the early days says "John Berry left the group (later forming Thwig) and was replaced by Adam Horovitz (Ad-rock)..." -- [[User:Plutor|<span style="background: white; color: blue; border: solid 1px #666; margin: -1px 0; padding: 0 0.5em; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Plutor</span>]]<small>[[User_Talk:Plutor|<span style="background: #ddd; color: #666; border: solid 1px #999; border-left: none; padding: 0 0.3em; text-decoration: none;">talk</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Plutor|<span style="background: #ddd; color: #666; border: solid 1px #999; border-left: none; padding: 0 0.3em; text-decoration: none;">contribs</span>]]</small> 17:29, 26 September 2006 (UTC).

::I love how everyone mentions John Berry formed "Thwig" even though it's a nothing band no one's ever heard of outside of reading a Beastie Boys biography. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/71.167.106.88|71.167.106.88]] ([[User talk:71.167.106.88|talk]]) 21:56, 11 January 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

== The Best Mixtape ==
I've added information on the Beastie Boy's greatest mixed album "New York State of Mind", courtesy of DJ Green Lantern. It really shows the New York influences in the rap industry, and has an hillarious adition from [[Busta Ryhmes]]. You're welcome [[User:Millm0w|Millm0w]] 11:05, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

== First paragraph ==

Okay, doesn't anyone else think the line "They were the first white (and the only partly-Jewish) rap group of any importance..." is not NPOV? --[[User:C.travis|C.travis]] 18:07, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

I removed that part, you're right, it wasn't in a NPV. Feel free to change it back if I'm wrong. [[User:Patmagroin1289|Patmagroin1289]] 20:11, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

== Who deleted the New York State of Mind album ==
ok, who was. i put that album, not mentioned anywhere else in the article, and now somebody has deleted it. it is a great album, and i want a reason NOW!!! [[User:Millm0w|Millm0w]] 15:39, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
*Why not create a seperate article for that album and link it on the Beastie Boys article, it's more likely to stay then.--[[User:Jimmyjrg|Jimmyjrg]] 06:23, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

== YouTube links ==
[[Image:Information_icon.svg|left|30px]] This article is one of [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Linksearch&target=%2A.youtube.com&limit=500&offset=10000 thousands] on Wikipedia that have a link to YouTube in it. Based on the [[WP:EL|External links]] policy, most of these should probably be removed. I'm putting this message here, on this talk page, to request the regular editors take a look at the link and make sure it doesn't violate policy. In short: 1. '''99% of the time YouTube should not be used as a [[WP:V|source]]'''. 2. '''[[WP:C#Linking_to_copyrighted_works|We must not link to material that violates someones copyright]]'''. If you are not sure if the link on this article should be removed or you would like to help spread this message contact us on [[User talk:J.smith/YouTube Linklist|this page]]. Thanks,<!--Subst::User:J.smith/YT--> ---[[User:J.smith|J.S]] ([[User_talk:J.smith|t]]|[[Special:Contributions/J.smith|c]]) 03:45, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

== I know it's humor, but ==

On Futurama, the seven albums were probably because of The Beastie Boys taking time to count their money. Anyone else think that? {{unsignedIP|68.205.133.196|22:32, 15 December 2006}}

== Good Article Nomination ==
I've been making an effort to assess some of the 700-odd articles that need assessment as part of [[WP:HH|WikiProject Hip Hop]]. This article may not be FA-status, but I believe that it has enough content and value to earn GA status. As such, I have nominated it for review.--[[User:NPswimdude500|NPswimdude500]] 22:37, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Problem is, there are no citations, bar seven external jumps. [[User:Wiki-newbie|Wiki-newbie]] 13:17, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

:Too true. I'm working on it...--[[User:NPswimdude500|NPswimdude500]] 07:14, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

== Brass Monkey ==

I'm not sure who thought up of the quote "Their song "Brass Monkey" was referenced in the Lucasarts adventure game, "Escape From Monkey Island", in which there was a small brass monkey powering a furnace. When examined, the line, "Brass Monkey, That Funky Monkey" can be heard."

This is completely false information. Brass Monkey did not come out until Liscense to Ill which was in the 1980's. The first Monkey Island Game to ever come out came out in 1990 so there is no way that this information is true. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Number17|Number17]] ([[User talk:Number17|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Number17|contribs]]) 17:27, 18 March 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->[[User:Number17|Number17]] 17:28, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

:I'm confused. If LTI came out in 1986, why coudn't a reference to it be made in a game published in 1990? [[User:AMProSoft|AMProSoft]] 21:49, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
::That's what I was thinking. -- [[User:Chairman S.|Chairman S.]] <span style="font-size:75%"><font color="#E32636">[[User talk:Chairman S.|Talk]]</font> <font color="#177245"><sup>[[Special:Contributions/Chairman_S.|Contribs]]</sup></font></span> 21:55, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

== Missing Contributing Performer ==

I didn't see Eugene Gore listed as a contributing musician anywhere on the page. I see him listed as the violinist for the CD ''The In Sound From Way Out'' released in 1996. He was featured in the song [[Eugene's Lament]]. I went ahead and added him in.

[[User:Whenyoure strange|whenyoure_strange]] 00:38, 1 April 2007 (UTC)


== BEASTIE name ==

An anonymous user [[User:167.90.23.216|167.90.23.216] removed a sentence about the origin of the band's name with a comment in the edit summary which said: "site reference please, that's not true afaik." The editor removed a sentence which said: "The name "Beastie" originally stood for "Boys Entering Anarchistic States Towards Internal Excellence," and the initials B.B. intended to mimic Washington DC punk band [[Bad Brains]]." I added a cite, as requested, but I wanted to note two things. First, a google search on the phrase turned up 40,000 hits, so the acronym is fairly well reported. However, I could not find an official source which confirmed it. It's certainly possible that this is a backronym invented by fans, and the false story has just been repeated over and over. I think that we should leave this in the article until we can find a quote from one of the band memebers or something from their website to give a definitive answer. [[User:Anson2995|Anson2995]] 21:20, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

The initials B.B. to mimic the DC Punk band Bad Brains, is discussed in the documentary American Hardcore by an early manager of both bands.

== Why the drastic changes? ==

[[User talk:208.63.48.34|208.63.48.34]] deleted huge sections of the history and some other band info not too long ago. I couldn't find any discussion or given reasons on why this was done. Unless anyone sees a reason why not, I will re-instate the old sections of the article. [[User:Swidly|swidly]] 06:34, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, please do. [[User:205.179.157.62|205.179.157.62]] 19:21, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

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== cover art ==

All of the cover art in this article should be removed. The images aren't fair use in this article. -- [[User:Mikeblas|Mikeblas]] 04:31, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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== History ==

I put the history of the band from a previous version back up. I could find no reason why it was deleted. [[User:UnFan|UnFan]] 05:43, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

:Going back through the history, I find that the section on the band's history was deleted by [[User:208.63.48.34|208.63.48.34]], who committed several acts of vandalism to the article which were only partially reverted, and for which he never received any warnings. ---<font face="Georgia">[[User:Theoldanarchist|<span style="color:#009900">Theoldanarchist</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:Theoldanarchist|<span style="color:#006600">Comhrá</span>]]''</sub></font> 14:56, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

This person might also be the reason the terrorist attacks mentioned in reference to their 5 boroughs album was listed as the Sept. 12th terrorist attacks. The link was correct, though, which is just plain unusual. Anyway, I fixed that - the link AND text are now correctly dated. - Erd

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Jean-Baptiste Carpeaux's marble sculpture 'Ugolino and his Sons', Metropolitan Museum of Art
La Danse (The Dance), Opera Garnier in Paris
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Jean-Baptiste Carpeaux (May 11, 1827, Valenciennes –October 12, 1875, Courbevoie) was a French sculptor and painter. His early studies were under François Rude. Carpeaux won the Prix de Rome in 1854, and moving to Rome to find inspiration, he there studied the works of Michelangelo, Donatello and Verrocchio. Staying in Rome from 1854 to 1861, he obtained a taste for movement and spontaneity, which he joined with the great principles of baroque art. In 1861 he made a bust of Princess Mathilde, and this later brought him several commissions from Napoleon III. He worked at the pavilion of Flora, and the Opéra Garnier. His group La Danse (the Dance, 1869), situated on the right side of the façade, was criticised as an offence to common decency.

He never managed to finish his last work, the famous Fountain of the Four Parts of the Earth, on the Place Camille Jullian. He did finish the terrestrial globe, supported by the four figures of Asia, Europe, America and Africa, and it was Emmanuel Frémiet who completed the work by adding the eight leaping horses, the tortoises and the dolphins of the basin.

Sculptures by Carpeaux

Neapolitan Fisherboy

Carpeaux submitted a plaster version of Pêcheur napolitain à la coquille, the Neapolitan Fisherboy, to the French Academy while a student in Rome. He carved the marble version several years later, showing it in the Salon exhibition of 1863. It was purchased for Napoleon III's empress, Eugènie. The statue of the young smiling boy was very popular, and Carpeaux created a number of reproductions and variations in marble and bronze. There is a copy, for instance, in the Samuel H. Kress Collection in the National Gallery of Art in Washington D.C.

Some years later, he carved the Girl with a Shell, a very similar study.

Carpeaux sought real life subjects in the streets and broke with the classical tradition. The Neapolitan Fisherboy's body is carved in intimate detail and shows an intricately balanced pose. Carpeaux claimed that he based the Neapolitan Fisherboy on a boy he had seen during a trip to Naples.

External links

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