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[[Image:Jean-Baptiste Carpeaux's marble sculpture 'Ugolino and his Sons', Metropolitan Museum of Art.jpg|thumb|right|400px|Jean-Baptiste Carpeaux's marble sculpture 'Ugolino and his Sons', Metropolitan Museum of Art]] |
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===[[OpenPsion]]=== |
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[[Image:Jean-Baptiste_Carpeaux_La_Danse.jpg|thumb|right|400px|La Danse (The Dance), Opera Garnier in Paris]] |
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'''Jean-Baptiste Carpeaux''' ([[May 11]], [[1827]], [[Valenciennes]] –[[October 12]], [[1875]], [[Courbevoie]]) was a French sculptor and painter. His early studies were under [[François Rude]]. Carpeaux won the [[Prix de Rome]] in [[1854]], and moving to [[Rome]] to find inspiration, he there studied the works of [[Michelangelo Buonarroti|Michelangelo]], [[Donatello]] and [[Andrea del Verrocchio|Verrocchio]]. Staying in Rome from [[1854]] to [[1861]], he obtained a taste for movement and spontaneity, which he joined with the great principles of [[baroque art]]. In [[1861]] he made a bust of [[Mathilde Bonaparte|Princess Mathilde]], and this later brought him several commissions from [[Napoleon III]]. He worked at the pavilion of [[Flora (goddess)|Flora]], and the [[Opéra Garnier]]. His group La Danse (the Dance, [[1869]]), situated on the right side of the façade, was criticised as an offence to common decency. |
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Stub on non-notable Linux distribution. [[User:Chealer|Chealer]] 04:35, 16 June 2007 (UTC) |
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He never managed to finish his last work, the famous Fountain of the Four Parts of the Earth, on the Place Camille Jullian. He did finish the terrestrial globe, supported by the four figures of [[Asia]], [[Europe]], [[North America|America]] and [[Africa]], and it was [[Emmanuel Frémiet]] who completed the work by adding the eight leaping horses, the tortoises and the dolphins of the basin. |
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*I, of course, object to the deletion of this article. We may be a small linux distribution (no pun intended), but we are hardly non-notable. We have a small but dedicated development group. Deletion of this article will also require editing the pages of all the Psion PDAs (Psion 5, NetBook, Series 7, etc.) to remove the OpenPsion wikilink. In my opinion, it is valuable having these links so that those having such PDAs know that the linux OS is available to them. This distribution is unique to Psions, but it is also well known among those who have linux on ARM devices. There is value here; don't delete. [[User:Bdushaw|Bdushaw]] 05:01, 16 June 2007 (UTC) |
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**'''Comment.''' You seem to be arguing |
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*#that ''dedication'' implies ''notability''; |
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*#that ''virtue'' implies ''notability'' (so that Wikipedia should advertise the product to Psion PDA users); |
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*#that an article should be kept to spare editors and 'bots the trouble of removing a few links. |
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*:—[[User:SlamDiego|SlamDiego]]<sub><font size="-2">[[User_talk:SlamDiego|←T]]</font></sub> 05:25, 16 June 2007 (UTC) |
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== Sculptures by Carpeaux == |
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::Never mind about the logical dance you want. I say that anyone looking up the Psion PDAs on wikipedia may well like to know that linux can run on them - to say that this is "advertising a product" is one way to spin it, I suppose. I noted that the OpenPsion "distribution" has had a usefulness beyond Psions - it has been useful for most ARM PDAs. Why is it so important to delete the article? Where is the case that OpenPsion is "non-notable"? That seems an opinion and not an educated one. If it is a matter of developing the article some more I can do that, and encourage others to do the same. I noted on the wikipedia pages regarding linux distributions that there were few distributions designed for ARM cpus (and many linux distributions of less notablility than OpenPsion). I considered starting an article summarizing distributions for ARM cpus; OpenPsion would figure prominently there. It is a notable distribution for ARM cpus. [[User:Bdushaw|Bdushaw]] 08:26, 16 June 2007 (UTC) |
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* Ugolin et ses fils - [[Ugolino della Gherardesca|Ugolino]] and his Sons (1861, in the permanent collection of the [[Metropolitan Museum of Art]])[[http://www.insecula.com/oeuvre/photo_ME0000009025.html]] with versions in other museums including the [[Musée d'Orsay]] |
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:::Rather than cast aspersions on my ''motivations'' (an un[[WP:CIVIL|civil]], ''speculative'' [[Wikipedia:No personal attacks|personal attack]]), you should have just clarified your argument or replaced it a better one. —[[User:SlamDiego|SlamDiego]]<sub><font size="-2">[[User_talk:SlamDiego|←T]]</font></sub> 09:41, 16 June 2007 (UTC) |
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* The Dance (commissioned for the [[Palais Garnier|Opera Garnier]]) |
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* Jeune pêcheur à la coquille - [[Naples|Neapolitan]] Fisherboy - in the [[Louvre]], [[Paris]] [[http://www.insecula.com/oeuvre/photo_ME0000034255.html]] |
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* Girl with Shell |
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* [[Antoine Watteau]] monument, [[Valenciennes]] |
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==Neapolitan Fisherboy== |
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::::Its late and I am prone to be annoyed just now; so sorry. Seems to me you were overly cute rather than constructive. That's how it was received anyways. "''virtue'' implies ''notability''"? Let me pause for several minutes while I try to figure that one out... Better to ask some direct questions to constructively get to the bottom of the issue. (an un[[WP:CIVIL|civil]], ''speculative'' [[Wikipedia:No personal attacks|personal attack]]) is cutting both ways here now. [[User:Bdushaw|Bdushaw]] 11:19, 16 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Carpeaux submitted a plaster version of ''Pêcheur napolitain à la coquille'', the Neapolitan Fisherboy, to the [[French Academy]] while a student in [[Rome]]. He carved the marble version several years later, showing it in the Salon exhibition of 1863. It was purchased for [[Napoleon III]]'s empress, [[Eugénie de Montijo|Eugènie]]. The statue of the young smiling boy was very popular, and Carpeaux created a number of reproductions and variations in marble and bronze. There is a copy, for instance, in the Samuel H. Kress Collection in the [[National Gallery of Art]] in [[Washington D.C.]] |
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*I would go further here and say that Linux is the <i>only</i> way for older Psion PDAs to be usable in the context of 2007 and beyond. Both the Psion 7 and netbook have a unique form-factor and as such are noteable devices in their own right. [[User:Stevedicks|Stevedicks]] 09:20, 16 June 2007 (UTC) |
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** If that is so, how about adding a sentence or so at [[Psion]]? --[[User:B. Wolterding|B. Wolterding]] 14:29, 16 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Some years later, he carved the Girl with a Shell, a very similar study. |
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* I'd like to state as well that deleting this page will keep us from contributing to the possibilities of continuing the life of these widespread Psion PDA's. I don't want to go into the advantages of the devices because it may cause a useless discussion. However, I do feel that wikipedia is a good source , also for 'non notable' things and should stay that way. |
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Carpeaux sought real life subjects in the streets and broke with the classical tradition. The Neapolitan Fisherboy's body is carved in intimate detail and shows an intricately balanced pose. Carpeaux claimed that he based the Neapolitan Fisherboy on a boy he had seen during a trip to [[Naples]]. |
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* '''Keep''' [[User:Quickie|Quickie]] 12:24, 16 June 2007 (UTC) |
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==External links== |
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* '''Delete'''. I am, actually, a bit confused by the arguments given above. By common consensus, Wikipedia is not meant to describe everything that is [[WP:INTERESTING|interesting]] or [[WP:USEFUL|useful]]. It is meant to cover everything that is [[WP:N|notable]]. The [[WP:N|notability criteria]] specify what "notability" means in this context: There must be [[Wikipedia:Independent sources|independent sources]] which cover the topic. That might be press coverage (press, not blogs), or books describing this software in detail, or similar. Unless such sources are provided, the topic just fails the criteria. Don't take this as a personal attack: That's the way we deal with all topics here. Currently, I don't see that OpenPsion is notable; maybe it will be one day, and then it deserves an article. By the way, Bdushaw, your comments above suggest that you are one of the authors of the software. In this case, you may have a [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]], and should be very careful about editing the article. --[[User:B. Wolterding|B. Wolterding]] 13:15, 16 June 2007 (UTC) |
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* '''Speedy Keep'''. As per Bdushaw. I seem to find bad faith nominators as [[WP:CIVIL|uncivilized]]. This article needs to be cleaned up though. It's still [[WP:NOTE|notable]] and [[WP:BOTS|Wikipedia's Bots]] doesn't have to do with removing links.--[[User:Edtropolis|Edtropolis]] 13:22, 16 June 2007 (UTC) |
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*[http://cartelfr.louvre.fr/cartelfr/visite?srv=rs_display_res&critere=jean+baptiste+carpeaux&operator=AND&nbToDisplay=5&langue=fr A page on the official Louvre site giving access to some of Carpeaux's works (French language only)] |
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* it is perhaps a small, but unique Distro. And there aren't such few users that you could think... the 100th fork of debian without any big differents is perhaps unnotabily, but OpenPsion is the only Distro which works on the very widespread psions. Additionally, many people used the Psion as an entry for programming arm machines, for which this distro is still ideal. So: '''Keep''' -[[User:Mifritscher|Mifritscher]] 13:23, 16 June 2007 (UTC) |
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*[http://www.insecula.com/contact/A005511_oeuvre_1.html A page from insecula.com listing more views of Carpeaux's works (also in French;] it may be necessary to close an advertising window to view this page) |
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*'''Delete''' unless any third-party [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] are provided to establish [[Wikipedia:Notability|notability]]. Uniqueness is not an indicator of notability. [[WP:USEFUL]] is not a valid argument either. [[User:220.227.179.4|220.227.179.4]] 14:13, 16 June 2007 (UTC) |
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*[http://www.studiolo.org/MMA-Ugolino/Ugolino.htm A page analysing Carpeaux's ''Ugolino'', with numerous illustrations] |
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*'''Comment''' I'm seeing a problem here, in that the people who want to keep this article are not recognizing why their arguments are not convincing. There is no bad faith here, since the nominator is quite rightly concerned that there are many minor Linux distributions with articles on Wikipedia. I'm sorry, but Wikipedia isn't Distrowatch. Not every Linux distro gets a page no questions ask. The fact is, this article has no third-party sources, no establishment of actual notability as per [[WP:ORG]]. I'm sure many of the users of this distro who have spoken here think the distro is useful to them, but if nobody else has noticed, is it really that important? Perhaps not. And really, accusing a person of bad faith in a case like this? It's not going to strengthen your argument, it's just going to convince me that you don't even realize you don't have that much of one. Seriously, the best way to get an article kept is to provide real sources, not to say the nominator is in bad faith when that's not clearly so at all. There are cases where it is a problem, certainly. This isn't one of them. [[User:Mister.Manticore|Mister.Manticore]] 14:21, 16 June 2007 (UTC) |
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*'''Comment''' I do likely have a conflict of interest. Nevertheless... I've taken a look at [[Wikipedia:Notability|notability]] and I think I see what the issue is now, so the nomination for deletion may have a point. However, let me argue otherwise: the Psion PDAs are old and the linux distribution for them is non-commercial. We are/were not likely to get the sort of press coverage, articles written, etc. as formally required for notability; but in this case I'd ask for some slack. Other similar articles ([[GPE Palmtop Environment]], [[Familiar Linux]], [[OpenZaurus]], [[OPIE user interface]]; even the articles on the sundry Psion devices have no references...) suffer the same issue, but I don't think you could call them non-notable. A google search for "openpsion" (or "psilinux" the former name) produces endless hits, however; its just the usual material associated with opensource development - mail lists, web pages, etc. (There WERE several articles on linux on the newer NetBook Pro, a commercial device, but they seem to have disappeared now.) So (a) our fate is tied to an archaic PDA hardware; the distribution is uniquely Psion (but has proved useful for other ARM devices), (b) I argue that we should not be penalized (lack of references) for being non-commercial opensource, and, again, (c) there is still value here - anyone looking up Psion PDAs at this point is likely to want to know about a possible OS upgrade. I noted that one option was to merge the article into another more substantial one - that would be acceptable, but I couldn't say which article that would be (something like "[[linux on ARM devices]]"?) [[User:Bdushaw|Bdushaw]] 18:38, 16 June 2007 (UTC) |
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*And also... I note that [[Allan Cox]] was on our mailing list for some time until he bought a [[Nokia 770]] (a commercial device with lots of references). Ergo, OpenPsion is a notable linux distribution. :) [[User:Bdushaw|Bdushaw]] 18:50, 16 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Jean-Baptiste Carpeaux (May 11, 1827, Valenciennes –October 12, 1875, Courbevoie) was a French sculptor and painter. His early studies were under François Rude. Carpeaux won the Prix de Rome in 1854, and moving to Rome to find inspiration, he there studied the works of Michelangelo, Donatello and Verrocchio. Staying in Rome from 1854 to 1861, he obtained a taste for movement and spontaneity, which he joined with the great principles of baroque art. In 1861 he made a bust of Princess Mathilde, and this later brought him several commissions from Napoleon III. He worked at the pavilion of Flora, and the Opéra Garnier. His group La Danse (the Dance, 1869), situated on the right side of the façade, was criticised as an offence to common decency.
He never managed to finish his last work, the famous Fountain of the Four Parts of the Earth, on the Place Camille Jullian. He did finish the terrestrial globe, supported by the four figures of Asia, Europe, America and Africa, and it was Emmanuel Frémiet who completed the work by adding the eight leaping horses, the tortoises and the dolphins of the basin.
Sculptures by Carpeaux
- Ugolin et ses fils - Ugolino and his Sons (1861, in the permanent collection of the Metropolitan Museum of Art)[[1]] with versions in other museums including the Musée d'Orsay
- The Dance (commissioned for the Opera Garnier)
- Jeune pêcheur à la coquille - Neapolitan Fisherboy - in the Louvre, Paris [[2]]
- Girl with Shell
- Antoine Watteau monument, Valenciennes
Neapolitan Fisherboy
Carpeaux submitted a plaster version of Pêcheur napolitain à la coquille, the Neapolitan Fisherboy, to the French Academy while a student in Rome. He carved the marble version several years later, showing it in the Salon exhibition of 1863. It was purchased for Napoleon III's empress, Eugènie. The statue of the young smiling boy was very popular, and Carpeaux created a number of reproductions and variations in marble and bronze. There is a copy, for instance, in the Samuel H. Kress Collection in the National Gallery of Art in Washington D.C.
Some years later, he carved the Girl with a Shell, a very similar study.
Carpeaux sought real life subjects in the streets and broke with the classical tradition. The Neapolitan Fisherboy's body is carved in intimate detail and shows an intricately balanced pose. Carpeaux claimed that he based the Neapolitan Fisherboy on a boy he had seen during a trip to Naples.
External links
- A page on the official Louvre site giving access to some of Carpeaux's works (French language only)
- A page from insecula.com listing more views of Carpeaux's works (also in French; it may be necessary to close an advertising window to view this page)
- A page analysing Carpeaux's Ugolino, with numerous illustrations