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Food item from Kirby games?

in the Kirby games, various foods were used to heal small amounts. The food item in Super Smash Bros. Melee could be from the Kirby series.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.56.24.130 (talk) 17:42, 10 April 2007 (UTC).

I don't think so. Correct me is I'm wrong, but I don't remember hamburgers being in the Kirby games, but they do appear in SSBM. Sincerely, 67.182.178.220 01:44, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

of COURSE the healing foods come from Kirby. What other game do you get random food items to heal yourself? 12.215.110.44 17:51, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

WRONG!

Only the Maxim Tomato comes from Kirby. So stop beign a. Angry Sun 19:11, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Angry Sun, you have a cool username and all, but stop belittling others. He brought up a valid point (what other game do have so many types of food?), and should be respected. I believe Kirby could use Chef (the power, not Mr. G&W's ability) in Kirby Super Star, could he not? What were enemies turned into? He had the fridge power in Kirby 64, and he generated food with it. The food that was first seen in this game could merely be the "next-gen" food items. I'm not on this though. --LuigiManiac 23:43, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

For areas such as this where something might be a cameo, but it's unclear, I tend to trust Sakurai's SSB/M/B websites to reveal the answer. Of course it's not always 100% clear there either (Barrel not a DK reference; Egg is a Chansey reference in SSB, but not in SSBM, etc.) He does not list the food as a Kirby reference. I would guess if it was meant to be, the food would look more cute and Kirby-like. (Fryguy64 17:32, 6 June 2007 (UTC))

Sonic and Tales Hoax

I personally believe that this should not be in the game becasue it really has nothing to do with the game itself.Chessmaster3 23:58, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree its so pointless!! hes not even in the game!

Tiers?

Should we add a "current tiers list" to the article? AnujSuper9 07:42, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

No. Comrade Pajitnov 14:22, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Why not, at least give a reasoning... AnujSuper9 23:55, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Because this isn't supposed to be a game guide. See WP:CVG/GL. --Yuuki Mayuki 06:32, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

"A general rule of thumb to follow if unsure: if the content only has value to people actually playing the game, it's unsuitable." The tier list is worthless to non-players, and even to many Smashers. The Smash community generally wants lots and lots of recognition, thrusting its terms and its tier lists into articles. But that isn't appropriate for Wikipedia; save it for SmashWiki. --MaskedSheik 11:25, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Ah, ok. Well the reason I brought it up at all is because it is generally one of the most sought out pieces of information regarding this game. AnujSuper9 17:31, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Ditto??

Does Ditto really appear in melee? I was thinking of writing something in the article about ditto probaly being a hoax, but I should check first. 07:28, 27 January 2007 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Angelofdeath275 (talk • contribs)

I'm pretty sure it doesn't (in battle). However, for me, this seems to be too irrelevant to include it at all. --Yuuki Mayuki 08:09, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Ditto was a character originally designed to be in SSBM, but was removed before final. It can still be accessed via the Debug menu. It summons a ditto that says it's name (go figure), and then disappears. It can do damage to opponents, however. It's in the game, but not with out the debug, in a nutshell. Oddeven2002 06:07, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Also if you choose a random character in tournament mode it will show Ditto as the character. Depressio 03:14, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Link Discussion

i was gonna add a link to smashwiki, run by smashboards, but it said to discuss before adding a link..

• SmashWiki 69.47.216.213 18:35, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

In what way does it comply with WP:EL and WP:SPAM? --Nlu (talk) 05:16, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

If people are interested in ssbm they might want to go to smashwiki to learn more, im depth knowlege about the game. - 69.47.216.213 20:59, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

The SmashWiki is, as of yet, still not officially open to the public, but as you can imagine, these things have leaked out over time. -- Randall00 ^Talk 15:23, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

• Smash Arena Official Gamespy/IGN Hosted Site

I've been re-adding this link for a year now. If you take this link down, then you might as well remove all the other links. Unless you guys can think of a legitimate reason for taking down this link, I'm going to keep it up there. - Borzou99 18:37, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

All of the links are official links. Moby Games is an information site. Smash World Forums is supposedly the biggest SSBM forum out there, with some coverage in the press, so it stays because it passes WP:EL. Unless you can think of a compelling reason to keep another fansite, it's gone. Hbdragon88 18:41, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

If it were truly a respected source of Smash info for the community at large, somebody other than the page's administrator would've tried to add it by now. Points for effort, I suppose, but GAME SET! :^) -- Randall00 ^Talk 22:20, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I will concede for now. But in less that a month, our information will be as official as any other major site and I will continue my efforts. Hbdragon, you should run a spellcheck. Cheers. Borzou99 09:54, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, I just wanted to say that I think SSBA should be added to the list of sites for many reasons: 1. It delivers up to date Smash news 2. Nintendo and Game Press recognize SSBA as members of the press (I can verify this as well). 3. We are more informative than IGN AND Gamespot. And as for 'fansite' status, doesn't SmashBoards qualify as fansite as well? Have I made my point yet? Cheers. Borzou99 04:40, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

While we are on the subject, why isn't a Gamefaqs link up here? Borzou99 14:30, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Because, once again, this article isn't supposed to be a strategy/FAQ site, or linked to one.

Sincerely, 67.182.178.220 01:48, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Still doesn't explain why Smash Boards and IGN is allowed to have links up but we aren't. Borzou99 01:12, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Online

I think there should be a section for SSB:M online, you can find out about it on youtube 72.210.51.3 02:43, 27 February 2007 (UTC)Slip Stream

Glitches

There are many glitches in this game, and I was wondering if there should be an article about them.----Sage1989 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 168.170.197.10 (talk) 14:01, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

• No because it doesn't contribute anything to the article, nor is it (in my opinion) noteworthy. The only people who would care would be the people playing the game.Harry Huang (real) 23:16, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

This article needs a HUGE overhaul

Looking through this article almost makes me want to cry. Wikipedia isn't a game guide, but apparently no one knew that in this instance. This article is way to in depth to be any useful to people just looking for quick info. The section about all the different gameplay modes is just useless. We should make an effort to make this page encyclopaedic, and if no one will, then I will when I find the time. Same goes for the Super Smash Bros. article.

Paji, signing out. Comrade Pajitnov 02:49, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

When you have so much activity, it's hard to do what I really like to do. It took me the longest time to remove in in-universe "Debug menu" section, and the Tournaments section could use a lot of cleanup. I've never played this gam before, so I cannot authoritatively rewrite it to satisfaction. I've resigned myself to merely killing the promotional language when I see it. Hbdragon88 00:30, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

It's on par with other game articles of a considerable fanbase. To a fan of the game, this doesn't read like a game guide at all and actually appears to be quite encyclopaedic in how it caters to non-players. If we really wanted to turn it into a game guide, there's quite a bit more information to cover than that. -- Randall00 ^Talk 04:38, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't think we need to list all of the special melee modes. Doppelganger 17:33, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Trophy errors

It is notable that there are errors on some trophies. Although it said on the Princess Daisy trophy that she had an appearance in Mario Golf, though the writers obviously meant NES Open Tournament Golf. --PJ Pete

That's... not true. Andre (talk) 04:23, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry......it's easy to note there are errors on some trophies. Here's a list of corrections:

1. Princess Daisy was re-introduced in Mario Tennis, but although they put in Mario Golf, they meant NES Open Tournament Golf where she was Luigi's caddy when Princess Toadstool/Peach was Mario's caddy and love interest.
2. Waluigi's brother is officially Wario, but the trophy incorrectly claims his relationship to Wario is unclear.
3. In Japan, characters that appeared in a game for the Famicom Disk System (FDS), the abbreviation was incorrectly identified as "FCD".
4. The Great Fox first appeared in Star Fox 64, not in the original Star Fox for the SNES.
5. Meta Knight first appeared in Kirby's Adventure for the NES, not in Kirby Super Star for the SNES.

The corrections to trophy errors should be mentioned in the article. --PJ Pete

Your corrections may be right, but are they notable enough for a large section of the article? – MaskedSHEIK ^{(talk)(contrib)} 13:51, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

• Yoshi's first appearance was in Super Mario World, but Yoshi's trophy claims Yoshi first appeared in Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island. At least in the PAL version. --KirvesAxe 19:49, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

ya

Why doesn't anyone ever call the game by its correct spelling? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.180.66.13 (talk) 09:44, 23 March 2007 (UTC).

And it's correct spelling is? -Crimsonseiko 19:39, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Presumably "Super Smash Brothers Melee" (or perhaps "Mêlée"). Since pretty much every official source spells it "Super Smash Bros. Melee," though, that would be a more appropriate name for the article and for in-article references. MaskedSheik 20:22, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

First Source

The SSBM sales source from ign says nothing relating to the matter on the bundle article. I can't use this source in a paper and I need a solid source for the sales on the game. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 148.100.218.121 (talk) 23:52, 27 March 2007 (UTC).

smashboards.....

Is smash boards online play with your computer?! how do you do it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.170.126.41 (talk) 17:23, 14 April 2007 (UTC).

Smashboards is a message board on which SSBM players discuss Smash. Tournaments are sometimes organized on Smashboards, but they all use GameCubes and normal gameplay, not the computer. – MaskedSHEIK ^{(talk)(contrib)} 14:02, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

On the hoaxes

In SSBM, there is a debug mode accessed by Action Replay that allows you to scroll through every playable character. Meta-Ridley and the other character are hoaxes.

Waluigi trophy

For Waluigi, his relationship to Wario is unclear. It was only mentioned in Mario Tennis to have Wario and Waluigi as brothers or relatives, but as of Mario Party 3 and subsequent Mario games, Waluigi's relationship has been retconned. --PJ Pete

Mario and Luigi

Under the characters section it says that there are many clone charecters which I agree with like Fox and Falco or Captian Falcon and Ganondorf. They all have completely identical A and B attacks but Mario and Luigi have completely different A attacks and their B attacks are similar but they are quite a bit different, in particular Luigi's green missile attack, so I don't think they should be placed with the clone characters. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 204.26.126.185 (talk) 23:10, 4 May 2007 (UTC).

None of the clone characters are completely identical, either - they just use similar animations for their attacks (note, for instance, the differences in the effects of Fox and Falco's respective down aerial attacks). I'm not sure how to change the text to project the point without miring myself too far into the specifics of the game, but I do think it's important to make the distinction. – MaskedSHEIK ^{(talk)(contrib)} 16:33, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Advanced stuffs?

I think that adding advanced stuffs like waveslides and glitches would make the article a lot better for experienced players. Also, an in-depth character guide and tactics should be included. SSBM Pro 01:50, 10 May 2007 (UTC)SteveNash11

I think so too, NOT! -Rebent

Just kidding. I think that there should be a section saying that the advanced moves exist, but then link to an external guide for the how-to, because of wp:not -[[User:Rebent|Rebent

Should I create a SSBM character guide or SSBM advanced guide, or neither?SSBM Pro 04:32, 25 May 2007 (UTC)SteveNash11

Neither.

As Rebnet said above, simply acknowledging and perhaps providing a brief (i.e. one or two sentence) summary of a few of the more famous glitches, such as wavedashing, might be useful, but the thing is, Wikipedia's philosophy on games is generally to only include information that someone who has never played the game in question would understand with a little bit of background information. We're an encyclopedia and thus a general knowledge resource, not a detailed how-to guide.

Your contributions in that area, however, may very well be welcome on a Smash-specific website or wiki. Your favorite search engine should be able to turn something up. :) --Sparky Lurkdragon 05:10, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Spaceworld tech demo references in trophies

In 2001 when the gamecube was announced it was done so with a collage of game tech demos and trailers both Meowths Party and the sword used by Ganon in the realistic Zelda demo are shown or in the text of the respective trophies. Atirage 15:53, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Ken Hoang - still the best?

It's worth mentioning at least that Ken only placed 3rd overall last MLG season, methinks. – MaskedSHEIK ^{(talk)(contrib)} 16:27, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Errata?

Why was it changed to Errors? 24.159.39.11 13:41, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Probably because it's a more common word. Personally I had to go to Wiktionary to understand it. Gurko 08:19, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Tournaments

Why the huge section on Tournaments? IMO they're hardly notable, and serve only to promote Smashboards and the competitive Smash community, which makes up a negligible portion of the overall Smash fanbase. Wikipedian06 03:43, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Removed Errata and version differences

There basically just trivia with no true relevance to the article itself.--041744 15:09, 14 June 2007 (UTC)