Talk:Jason Earles

BirthDatabase.com

Has anyone checked www.birthdatabase.com? It lists Jason D. Earles born April 26, 1977, but with a city/state of Cornelius, Oregon. This site is extremely accurate. The site obtains its information directly from available government records. It does not have listings for every person in the U.S., but I've used the site for many years and it's never given an incorrect DOB for any people whose birthdays I already knew. So does anyone know if "our" Jason has any connection to Cornelius, Oregon? It must be him. How many Jason D. Earles born on 4/26 can there be?! And this one with the suspected year of 1977? I'm not sure if this direct link will work to his listing on the site: http://74.208.10.11/cgi-bin/query.pl?textfield=jason&textfield2=earles&age=25 ... The site asks for an estimate age (just in case there are lots of people with that name) and I put 25. But there are only two results.

UPDATE! I've just confirmed through many sources on a Google search that Jason did in fact live in Portland, Oregon and graduated in 1995 from Glencoe High School in Hillsboro, Oregon. I checked Google Maps and Cornelius is a suburb of Portland, and Hillsboro is three miles East of Cornelius. A lot of the info I found says that Jason was born in San Diego, then his family moved to Washington (the state), Montana, and then Oregon. Now that you have this info, search for yourself and you'll see that "our" Jason is surely 30 years old (today is 6/16/07). The claimed DOB of April 26, 1977 must be correct. There are way too many reliable sources that list it, and very few that show 1985. So whoever is in charge of this page should make it official in the article.

Birthday

I am not saying I have any idea what his correct age is, but not only does 1977 seem too early a year of birth, so does 1985. I am thinking 1987-1989 somewhere. Hallpriest9(Talk|Archive) 04:14, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

This is crazy if he would be 30 then shouldn't he look older.I think he is 30 but he musthave some kind of disease because I don't think he is growing prperly.PMM luvs u

Tv.com says his birthday is 1985, but IMDB says his birthday is 1977. What is his real b-day? --GeorgeMoneyTalk  Contribs 22:37, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

I believe his birthday is April 26, 1977. To me imdb is more reliable. --Mward87

I believe IMDB is more reliable too. --GeorgeMoney^{Talk  Contribs} 03:48, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

I think 1985...I mean, he plays a 15 year old boy!- Hill03

His Birthday is April 26, 1985

On Hannah Montana, he looks much too young to have been born in 1977. - P&G

Check out his resume` - http://www.entalent.com/jason_earles.htm It says his birthday is April 26, 1985 --72.148.209.49

Actors' birthdates are regularly fudged by their agencies to expand the roles they can play. Since Earles is young-looking, by lowering his age on his résumé, he doesn't get overlooked for college and teen parts.--Rcharman 23:03, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

OK. Someone changed the birth place to San Diego. There is a Jason Earles who was born APril 26, 1977 in San Diego. So - basically - either he was born in San Diego in 1977, or he was born in Tennesse in 1985, because the California records don't pick up any other Jason Earles'. Mad Jack 01:32, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Definately Tennesse 1985 -- have you heard his accent!? --72.148.209.49 14:37, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Among the accents Earles lists on his résumé is "Southern". It's a trained accent.--Rcharman 23:03, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

His IMDB.com birthdate of 1977 is correct. I was able to confirm this, and once I figure out how to do the change on wikipedia, I'll do it. I want to make sure people don't think I'm submitting false information and revert it. --Doomstars 17:21, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Right - did you see the birth certificate at Ancestry.com or somewhere? That's what I saw. It had a Jason Earles, 77 - same exact date - in San Diego. They don't track Tennessee, though, but I suppose this is the same Earles anyway. Mad Jack 05:20, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't know about that, but I do know this. (Excuse any poor grammar in the following.) I looked up one of his castmates' official sites. On that castmate's official site, there was a way to contact that castmate's official fan club. The fan club (not Jason Earles') was able to confirm his age is basically correct. I think I asked if he was around 28 years old, despite how I think he's 29, if I did the math correctly.--Doomstars 06:58, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Someone needs to do something about the birth year vandalism. I was able to confirm he was born in 1977. Like I said above, I looked up one of his classmates' official sites. I went to that official site and contacted the official site's official fan club. They confirmed IMDB.com's birth year of 1977 is correct. I'm going to ask permission if I may mention the source specifically.Doomstars 17 July 2006

In my opinion, the year that he was born is in 1977. As I checked information about him on internet, 1977 was correct. But some editor has edited his birthyear as 1985 which is not correct. Therefore, Please, Do not change the his birthyear so that otherone could not be confused. As they mentioned above. *~Daniel~* ☎ 06:10, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Once Again, Please I would suggest you look on his official Sites. *~Daniel~* ☎ 06:12, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Someone needs to officially change the date to 1977. Someone keeps changing the date back to 1985 and threatening to block someone if they change it back to 1977. Tennisjockster 22 July 2006

I was able to confirm Jason Earle's 1977 birth year by way of Billy Ray Cyrus Spirit. That is my source.--Doomstars 04:38, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Billy Ray Cyrus Spirit is the source I used to confirm it. I did not mention how I retrieved the information. A Google search will show that Billy Ray Cyrus Spirit is Billy Ray's official fan club. I am told not to give out more information on this matter.--Doomstars 08:05, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

There is no info on Billy Ray Cyrus Spirit, about Jason Earles's B-Day.--Chrisstilwell 04:57, 23 July 2006 (UTC)chrisstilwell

Told not to? Is it because your source is wrong, or that you have no idea what you are talking about?--Chrisstilwell 18:45, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

• Chrisstilwell, I presume you were the one who added the Ancestry.com source that I just reverted. Ancestry.com has the following record for the only Jason Earles born in California - ever: "View Record Jason D Earles 26 Apr 1977 Male Obrien San Diego" O'Brien is his mother's maiden name. Mad Jack 05:30, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

The picture I put in the link had a Jason Earles born in San Diego in 1985. I'm changing it back. Please do not change it back again!--Chrisstilwell 05:42, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm tired of fighting this. If you people want to have him have the wrong birthdate of 1977, then go right ahead, it's no skin off my nose. I for sure know he was born in 1985. And if I ever get an e-mail back from his agency company, then I willlet you all know.--Chrisstilwell 05:52, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

If you're citing Ancestry.com as a source, it says 1977! The image you scanned doesn't have a birth date. Mad Jack 06:04, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

You can see a free version of the birth records here, just search for Jason Earles: [1] Mad Jack 06:08, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

TV.com says Jason Earles was born in 1985. I believe it would impossible for a person who is nearly 30 to play a 16 year old. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dsm500 (talk • contribs) 23:31, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

TV.com is one of the least reliable in general, though it may be correct in this case. IMDb is not much better than TV.com, and it could easily be incorrect in this case. You have multiple conflicting sources. One solution is to list both numbers, and say 1977 or 1985 according to various sources. This alerts readers that various sources are conflicting - you might even want to make up footnotes to list all the variations, as is done at Brooke Hogan. Gimmetrow 00:15, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Tv.com now has his birth year listed as 1977. WAVY 10 14:26, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I have to go with IMdB on this one. Everytime I look people up it is always right! So I say Jason is 30. I just can't believe he looks so young! It just doesn't seem possibe for him to look that young! User:Dicetiny 7:27, February 2007

On Hannah Montana, he looks barely twenty, in fact not much older than Miley Cyrus, who is only fourteen years old. Hallpriest9 20:24, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Footnote on 1977/1985

A footnote was created to discuss the 1977 vs. 1985 issue. The footnote says that familytreelegends says 1977. I checked that, and it does. Please do not edit the footnote to say that this source says something it doesn't. It's fine to discuss which number should be in the main text, or how the footnote should be worded to explain why different sources have different numbers, or why some source or another may be doubtful or misinterpreted. This may change if other sources come to light. But that source X said Y (on date Z) is a fact. Gimmetrow 01:06, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, it said in places that he was born in 1985. Just change it back to 1977 if you wish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.34.18.151 (talk • contribs) 01:36, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Does he really look like a man in his late 30s!?!?! I mean, he does play a 15/16 year old boy!!! --72.148.209.49 19:29, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Late 20s you mean. While it seems exceptional, it's not impossible. I think it's relevant to have the discrepancy alerted to readers. The primary text could say "1977 or 1985" with the footnote, but so far nobody has actually argued for that. Gimmetrow 21:11, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

OK, nobody else has argued for this, but I am tired of the repeated changes and the people saying "but haven't you looked at TV.com". Thus I made a footnote which acknowledges all the trivia sites that people keep bringing up. The discerning reader should be able to understand that the only neutral, independent, 3rd-party source is familytreelegends. Gimmetrow 16:33, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah but it now says "His resume at entalent.com gives 1985, as does a TV.com profile. However, IMDb and TVRage.com list 1977". As if his resume is as reliable a source as TV.com! And then IMDB and TVRage as if those are a stark shocking contrast to TV.com. The fact is these trivia sites get a ton of stuff wrong, and I don't see the encyclopedic value of noting every one of those and saying they are wrong. You'd have a page full of footnotes like that. It's like citing a message board. Wikipedia should only acknowledge reputable sources and, indeed, only the mistakes of reputable sources. The only data useful or usable to us is A. his birth certificate and B. the agency. Anyway, I am probably not able to under 3rr to revert right now, but as soon as I am I will remove those bits. I have been fighting a long-time battle against these third-hand websites here on Wikipedia, which for the most part has resulted in better sources and more accurate information, and I don't want them given any legitimacy to, especially not as sources in a case like this. Mad Jack 16:45, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, rather than fight about this, how do we work out a good phrasing. Note that the footnote form you want to revert to was written by me. The problem I'm trying to address is stated above. Gimmetrow 16:56, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Well I suppose the problem you're pointing to is that people say "TV.com says this", etc. but surely these people realize that a birth certificate and his agency are more reliable sources (and of course, TV.com doesn't mention a third date or anything) Mad Jack 17:07, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, a lot of people have no idea what a "reliable" source is. And they disregard WP because "those idiots can't even get this right" when "all they have to do is look at TV.com." It seems to me that a lengthy footnoting saying "yes, we looked at TV.com, and also six other sources, and this is what we found" might illustrate something about the reliability of these various sites, the fact that they give no evidence for their stats, and suggest how to weigh conflicting information. I see we've had some vandalism again despite the info in the footnote.... How is the footnote now? Gimmetrow 19:38, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, the footnote now is perfect, thank you. I think the bottom line is, people are going to revert it to 1985 or whatever no matter what the note says - i.e. these are probably the same people who say "TV.com says". TV.com doesn't come up that high in Googles matches, usually below us. IMDB comes up in front of us, most of the time (although in one case I know, Alex Pettyfer, Wikipedia has been the #1 match with IMDB at #3 - but I'm getting off topic). Mad Jack 20:22, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

See, no need to approach 3RR over this. Now, how could one characterize trivia sites without calling them such in the article? I have other articles involving the same idea. Here, I would still like something in the footnote which says, more or less: "various trivia sites such as TV.com, IMDb and TVRage copy one or the other primary source." Gimmetrow 00:41, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm..... is "second-hand sources" a bad way to refer to them? Mad Jack 06:02, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Irish descent?

Is Earles of Irish descent? He looks Irish and he can do the River dance, but I'm not sure what he is. Can anyone answer my question? --Sylvia 21:22, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

His mom has a last name that starts with "O'", so it's likely. Beyond that, I've seen no source that actually states his background. Maybe if he gets more famous... Mad Jack 22:31, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Just because he can river dance, doesn't mean that he's Irish. bibliomaniac15 00:12, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

http://www.entalent.com/jason_earles.htm

Is Jason hot or not?

I think Jason isn't really hot -Mad Jack

is jason really of 29?

he looks too young to be of 29 years old i think there's some mistake in this encyclopaedia —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nawazish (talk • contribs) 07:59, 18 February 2007 (UTC).

Found a Star Telegram article [[2]] confirming Jason is 19 (that's more practical aswell) and cited that his imbd is incorrect. - Natasha1994 12:29, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

That link doesn't work. However, see this recent USA Today article which refers to "Hannah co-star Jason Earles, 29". Gimmetrow 15:31, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

I have that article posted on the Talk:Miley Cyrus page. (See the "Is Miley a Christian Musician" section) WAVY 10 13:31, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank God the year or birth was FINALLY resolved! 205.244.107.198 01:15, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Is anything really "resolved" on a wiki? WP reports what other reliable sources say, and the fact is these have conflicting accounts. No particular source is clearly definitive, not the USA today article, not his official resume, and not IMDb. Gimmetrow 02:20, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Just because he plays a teenager doesn't mean that he is one or even close to one. Look at 90210, half the cast was almost 30 when it was on the air. The "hot guy" in 16 Candles with Molly Ringwald was in his late 20s. It's called acting. Missjessica254 16:17, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Weblink showing dob 4/26/77: http://www.nndb.com/people/725/000129338/ Also shows his high school graduation year of 1995 Is this proof enough to have just the date of '77 listed? Missjessica254 16:36, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Not on the basis of nndb. Would you take that page as a definitive statement? Gimmetrow 19:42, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Don't really know what the site is other than some type of search engine. Found it by googling him. If not reputable, no biggie. Missjessica254 14:52, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

California Birth Index

There is a weird sense of irony here, as I originally got involved with this article in support of the 1977 date. I don't really mind having only 1977 in the text, but I question the notion that CBI is reliable enough to suppress contrary info. The CBI is a database. It's usually a reasonable step to say the name in the database corresponds to the person in question, that the database accurately reflects the birth certificate, and the birth certificate gives the birthdate. However, in this case we have the subject's resume giving 1985, and the subject himself in a separate reliable source stating explicitly that he was not born in 1977. While these statements may be self-serving, I don't see how a database of unknown reliability is supposed to "end-all". Similar databases have *my* birthdate wrong, so while I think they pass WP:RS, they are not high in my scale of reliability. Gimmetrow 17:37, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Suggestions

A couple ideas regarding the 1977/1985 issue:

• It may be fitting to categorize the article into (or a category concerning disputed years of birth if one exists).
• Alternatively, while I don't know what type of dispute Wikipedians talk a lot about, but it may be fitting to protect the page.

Hallpriest9 (Talk | Archive) 03:30, 6 June 2007 (UTC)