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<span class="plainlinks">'''[{{fullurl:Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/ErikHaugen|action=edit&section=5}} <font color="#002BB8">Voice your opinion on this candidate</font>]'''</span> ([[Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship/ErikHaugen|talk page]])
'''Final (82/27/1); Closed as successful by <b>[[User:Kingturtle|Kingturtle =]]</b> <small>([[User talk:Kingturtle|talk]])</small> at 06:24, 10 February 2011 (UTC) <!-- Template:finaltally -->
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'''In reviewing the comments by those in support and opposition and in reviewing the demeanor of Erik through this process, I have concluded that there is sufficient support for this RfA to succeed. The main argument in opposition to Erik is his lack of experience, but no serious red flags were presented as evidence against him. There were a few other reasons given in opposition, but none of them consistently, and none of them described a threat to Wikipedia or the community. In a close call like this, in order to reject this RfA (an RFA in which the supporters express that Erik is civil, trustworthy, and competent, engages well with others, knows policy adequately, and makes quality edits) there would need to be something glaring about Erik's edits or interactions, but nothing glaring came to light. In weighing these two sides, the balance tips to the side of promotion. P.S. I acknowledge that this RfA closed many hours after its full week on the board and that some more !votes came in after the scheduled close. I interpret the week timeframe to be a guideline, not a hard line. And I don't see any foul play. Sincerely, <b>[[User:Kingturtle|Kingturtle =]]</b> <small>([[User talk:Kingturtle|talk]])</small> 07:28, 10 February 2011 (UTC)'''


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#'''Support''' Allow me to be the first to add my support. I took a look over you last few hundred contributions, and I like what I see. You seem to have a decent amount of work on Speedy Deletions, by the looks of it the admins have agreed with you (860+ deleted contribs). You've only created eleven pages, eight or so being stubs, but your work in creating templates etc is good, and that's a plus. I've also seen appropriate warnings to vandals, not just reverts, which is key. Basically, I like what I see here and don't see that you would misuse the tools at all. Good Luck. <small><small>Ohh, and you don't have to worry about me asking any optional questions, your contribs show enough :)</small></small>[[User:Tofutwitch11|<span style='font-family: "Arial Black"; color:Teal'><big>T</big><small>ofutwitch11</small></span>]]''' <sup><small>[[User talk:Tofutwitch11|<font color="Orange">(T<small>ALK</small>)</font>]]</small></sup>''' 02:19, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support''' Allow me to be the first to add my support. I took a look over you last few hundred contributions, and I like what I see. You seem to have a decent amount of work on Speedy Deletions, by the looks of it the admins have agreed with you (860+ deleted contribs). You've only created eleven pages, eight or so being stubs, but your work in creating templates etc is good, and that's a plus. I've also seen appropriate warnings to vandals, not just reverts, which is key. Basically, I like what I see here and don't see that you would misuse the tools at all. Good Luck. <small><small>Ohh, and you don't have to worry about me asking any optional questions, your contribs show enough :)</small></small>[[User:Tofutwitch11|<span style='font-family: "Arial Black"; color:Teal'><big>T</big><small>ofutwitch11</small></span>]]''' <sup><small>[[User talk:Tofutwitch11|<font color="Orange">(T<small>ALK</small>)</font>]]</small></sup>''' 02:19, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support'''—having often seen you around the project doing good work, I can easily support. [[User:Airplaneman|<span style="color:blue;size=2">Airplaneman</span>]][[User talk:Airplaneman|<span style="color:#33dd44;size=2"> ✈</span>]] 02:36, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support'''—having often seen you around the project doing good work, I can easily support. [[User:Airplaneman|<span style="color:blue;size=2">Airplaneman</span>]][[User talk:Airplaneman|<span style="color:#33dd44;size=2"> ✈</span>]] 02:36, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support'''. Anyone who actually ''wants'' to do histmerges gets an easy support from me. -- [[User:OlEnglish|<font size="5">&oelig;</font>]][[User talk:OlEnglish|<sup>&trade;</sup>]] 03:53, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support'''. Anyone who actually ''wants'' to do histmerges gets an easy support from me. -- [[User:OlEnglish|<span style="font-size:x-large;">&oelig;</span>]][[User talk:OlEnglish|<sup>&trade;</sup>]] 03:53, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
#Bonus points for self-nom, no obvious red flags. [[User:Townlake|Townlake]] ([[User talk:Townlake|talk]]) 04:54, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
#Bonus points for self-nom, no obvious red flags. [[User:Townlake|Townlake]] ([[User talk:Townlake|talk]]) 04:54, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support'''. I think you'll be a great sysop. You clearly have goals in mind, which is perfect. [[User:Logan|Logan]] <sub>[[User_talk:Logan|Talk]]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Logan|Contributions]]</sup> 06:17, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
#:<del>'''Support'''. I think you'll be a great sysop. You clearly have goals in mind, which is perfect. [[User:Logan|Logan]] <sub>[[User_talk:Logan|Talk]]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Logan|Contributions]]</sup> 06:17, 3 February 2011 (UTC)</del> <small>moved to oppose [[User:Logan|Logan]] <sub>[[User_talk:Logan|Talk]]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Logan|Contributions]]</sup> 21:01, 9 February 2011 (UTC)</small>
#[[User:Nakon|<font color="#C50">'''Nakon'''</font>]] 06:19, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
#[[User:Nakon|<font color="#C50">'''Nakon'''</font>]] 06:19, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support'''. I completely disagree with Hokeman's neutral– as someone who has been a member here since 2006, but really only became active a couple years later, I don't feel it's any bearing on what kind of administrator Erik would become. He's done great contributions in the past year, and he seems to be a great editor; that's more than enough for me. A quick glance through his contribs brought up nothing bad, but if someone digs up something less than savory, I'll reassess. [[User:Nomader|<span style="color:#007FFF">Nomader</span>]] <sup><span style="font-size: 6pt">([[User talk:Nomader|<span style="color:#007FFF">Talk</span>]])</span></sup> 07:52, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support'''. I completely disagree with Hokeman's neutral– as someone who has been a member here since 2006, but really only became active a couple years later, I don't feel it's any bearing on what kind of administrator Erik would become. He's done great contributions in the past year, and he seems to be a great editor; that's more than enough for me. A quick glance through his contribs brought up nothing bad, but if someone digs up something less than savory, I'll reassess. [[User:Nomader|<span style="color:#007FFF">Nomader</span>]] <sup><span style="font-size: 6pt">([[User talk:Nomader|<span style="color:#007FFF">Talk</span>]])</span></sup> 07:52, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
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#'''Support''' - nice templates. Always need people contributing to other namespaces and history merges. Editcount is on the low side but not everyone has huge amount of free time to spend. His quality edits is what matters. Nice all round candidate which will be a net benefit to the community. --[[User:Visik|Visik]] ([[User talk:Visik|talk]]) 04:27, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support''' - nice templates. Always need people contributing to other namespaces and history merges. Editcount is on the low side but not everyone has huge amount of free time to spend. His quality edits is what matters. Nice all round candidate which will be a net benefit to the community. --[[User:Visik|Visik]] ([[User talk:Visik|talk]]) 04:27, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support''' Per several above, and admins willing to get involved in such dirty work are valuable. [[User:Resolute|Reso]][[User Talk:Resolute|lute]] 04:42, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support''' Per several above, and admins willing to get involved in such dirty work are valuable. [[User:Resolute|Reso]][[User Talk:Resolute|lute]] 04:42, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support''' Seems to be in good-standing. I don't think I've seen any admins who have worked on history merges, so in my opinion he is a bit of a bonus here. [[User:Minimac|<font color="#0645AD">Minima</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Minimac|<font color="#0645AD">c</font>]]<font color="#0645AD"></font> ([[User talk:Minimac|<font color="#0645AD">talk</font>]]) 06:46, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support''' Seems to be in good-standing. I don't think I've seen any admins who have worked on history merges, so in my opinion he is a bit of a bonus here. [[User:Minimac|<font color="#0645AD">Minima</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Minimac|<font color="#0645AD">c</font>]] ([[User talk:Minimac|<font color="#0645AD">talk</font>]]) 06:46, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
#:[[Special:Contributions/anthony_Appleyard|Anthony Appleyard]] is great at it; before my RfA he was always the one who helped me. '''[[User:Soap|<font color="green">—</font>]][[User talk:Soap|<font color="057602">''Soap''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Soap|<font color="green">—</font>]]''' 13:38, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
#:[[Special:Contributions/anthony_Appleyard|Anthony Appleyard]] is great at it; before my RfA he was always the one who helped me. '''[[User:Soap|<font color="green">—</font>]][[User talk:Soap|<font color="057602">''Soap''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Soap|<font color="green">—</font>]]''' 13:38, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support''' He obviosly knows his facts, he seems passionate about becoming an admin, he is perfectionate at his edits, he has shown us his wonderful editing skills which are beyond reproach. If anyone deserves to be admin, in my honest opinion it should be ErikHaugen. [[User:MelbourneStar1|MelbourneStar☆]] ([[User talk:MelbourneStar1|talk]]) 11:31, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support''' He obviosly knows his facts, he seems passionate about becoming an admin, he is perfectionate at his edits, he has shown us his wonderful editing skills which are beyond reproach. If anyone deserves to be admin, in my honest opinion it should be ErikHaugen. [[User:MelbourneStar1|MelbourneStar☆]] ([[User talk:MelbourneStar1|talk]]) 11:31, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support''' Looks fine to me - people wanting to work in areas like history merges simply have to have to extra bits (and frankly we're always glad of competent people to do that kind of drudgery). The opposition at this time (though valid) seems more ideological rather than concerned about your ability to actually use the tools. <small><span style="border:1px solid #0000ff;padding:1px;">[[User:Pedro|<b>Pedro</b>]] : [[User_talk:Pedro|<font style="color:#accC10;background:#0000fa;">&nbsp;Chat&nbsp;</font>]] </span></small> 12:45, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support''' Looks fine to me - people wanting to work in areas like history merges simply have to have to extra bits (and frankly we're always glad of competent people to do that kind of drudgery). The opposition at this time (though valid) seems more ideological rather than concerned about your ability to actually use the tools. <small><span style="border:1px solid #0000ff;padding:1px;">[[User:Pedro|<b>Pedro</b>]] : [[User_talk:Pedro|<span style="color:#accC10; background:#0000fa;">&nbsp;Chat&nbsp;</span>]] </span></small> 12:45, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support''' clean blocklog and various civil talkpage discussions give me the confidence that the candidate has the right temperament, has grasped why we are here and what needs to be done. Judgement seems OK as well. Candidate has been editing at mostly a very infrequent level for five years, though only a few months of that actively. I see long tenure as a rough and ready precaution against certain characters coming back yet again, and five years is way more than needed for that purpose, otherwise a few months activity is more than enough to assess a candidate - I didn't go through all their more than 5,000 edits and I doubt if anyone else will. Not every candidate will be ready at this stage of their wiki career, but unless someone spots something I missed then I think this candidate is ready for the mop. I've read the Oppose section, over 5,000 contributions takes him well out of the [[wp:NOTNOW]] range; Candidate has contributed referenced material, a GA or FA would be a positive but is not essential, and I don't see anything else that troubles me. I agree that non-writers should not have access to the deletion button, but I don't agree that the author of articles such as [[Pterodon (mammal)]] is a "non-writer" ''[[User:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkGreen">Ϣere</span>]][[User talk:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkRed">Spiel</span>]]<span style="color:DarkOrange">Chequers''</span> 14:18, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support''' clean blocklog and various civil talkpage discussions give me the confidence that the candidate has the right temperament, has grasped why we are here and what needs to be done. Judgement seems OK as well. Candidate has been editing at mostly a very infrequent level for five years, though only a few months of that actively. I see long tenure as a rough and ready precaution against certain characters coming back yet again, and five years is way more than needed for that purpose, otherwise a few months activity is more than enough to assess a candidate - I didn't go through all their more than 5,000 edits and I doubt if anyone else will. Not every candidate will be ready at this stage of their wiki career, but unless someone spots something I missed then I think this candidate is ready for the mop. I've read the Oppose section, over 5,000 contributions takes him well out of the [[wp:NOTNOW]] range; Candidate has contributed referenced material, a GA or FA would be a positive but is not essential, and I don't see anything else that troubles me. I agree that non-writers should not have access to the deletion button, but I don't agree that the author of articles such as [[Pterodon (mammal)]] is a "non-writer" ''[[User:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkGreen">Ϣere</span>]][[User talk:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkRed">Spiel</span>]]<span style="color:DarkOrange">Chequers</span>'' 14:18, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support''' no reason to think this user would abuse the tools. --[[User:Rogerd|rogerd]] ([[User talk:Rogerd|talk]]) 14:38, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support''' no reason to think this user would abuse the tools. --[[User:Rogerd|rogerd]] ([[User talk:Rogerd|talk]]) 14:38, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support'''. Looking at some random contributions I see good decisions, civility, and no reason not to trust the candidate. I don't agree with the concerns about low edit count; 6000-odd edits is more than enough opportunity for a bad candidate to incriminate themselves. [[User:Bobrayner|bobrayner]] ([[User talk:Bobrayner|talk]]) 15:04, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support'''. Looking at some random contributions I see good decisions, civility, and no reason not to trust the candidate. I don't agree with the concerns about low edit count; 6000-odd edits is more than enough opportunity for a bad candidate to incriminate themselves. [[User:Bobrayner|bobrayner]] ([[User talk:Bobrayner|talk]]) 15:04, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
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#'''Support''' I see no reason not to give you the tools. [[User:Ktr101|Kevin Rutherford]] ([[User_talk:Ktr101|talk]]) 23:14, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support''' I see no reason not to give you the tools. [[User:Ktr101|Kevin Rutherford]] ([[User_talk:Ktr101|talk]]) 23:14, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support''' -- Per Bobrayner: ''"6000-odd edits is more than enough opportunity for a bad candidate to incriminate themselves."'' I have reviewed many of ErikHaugen's contributions and they look sensible. He has shown the ability to write about [[Pterodon (mammal)|Pterodon]]s and create taxoboxes in proper format. If he follows through with his desire to work on history merges, that will certainly be useful. He has 800 deleted edits, mostly speedies, PRODs and new articles tagged for referencing. I checked ten of them and his judgment seemed correct. [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 00:13, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support''' -- Per Bobrayner: ''"6000-odd edits is more than enough opportunity for a bad candidate to incriminate themselves."'' I have reviewed many of ErikHaugen's contributions and they look sensible. He has shown the ability to write about [[Pterodon (mammal)|Pterodon]]s and create taxoboxes in proper format. If he follows through with his desire to work on history merges, that will certainly be useful. He has 800 deleted edits, mostly speedies, PRODs and new articles tagged for referencing. I checked ten of them and his judgment seemed correct. [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 00:13, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
# '''Support''' Seems experienced and trustworthy to me. Not every admin needs to have a huge edit count. <font style="font-family: Georgia">[[User:Steven Walling|Steven Walling]]</font> 01:08, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
# '''Support''' Seems experienced and trustworthy to me. Not every admin needs to have a huge edit count. [[User:Steven Walling|<span style="font-family:Georgia;">Steven Walling</span>]] 01:08, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support'''--[[User:Gordonrox24|<span style="font-family:Script MT;color:#36B">Gordonrox24</span>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Gordonrox24|<sup><span style="font-family:Arial;color:red">''Talk''</span></sup>]] 01:08, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support'''--[[User:Gordonrox24|<span style="font-family:Script MT;color:#36B">Gordonrox24</span>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Gordonrox24|<sup><span style="font-family:Arial;color:red">''Talk''</span></sup>]] 01:08, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support''' Contributions history is clearly sufficient to demonstrate trustworthiness. That and he's willing to work in a thankless yet important area. "Net positive" is the key. [[User:Pichpich|Pichpich]] ([[User talk:Pichpich|talk]]) 02:04, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support''' Contributions history is clearly sufficient to demonstrate trustworthiness. That and he's willing to work in a thankless yet important area. "Net positive" is the key. [[User:Pichpich|Pichpich]] ([[User talk:Pichpich|talk]]) 02:04, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support''' a gnome that wants to so more gnome work is easy to support. I see nothing bad about an admin who won't use their block tool or do vandal work. --[[User:Guerillero|Guerillero]] &#124; [[User_talk:Guerillero|<font color="green">My Talk</font>]] 05:28, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support''' a gnome that wants to so more gnome work is easy to support. I see nothing bad about an admin who won't use their block tool or do vandal work. --[[User:Guerillero|Guerillero]] &#124; [[User_talk:Guerillero|<span style="color:green;">My Talk</span>]] 05:28, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support''' Checking user and article talk shows ability to deal amicably with editors of all levels of experience, reason about policy, explain decisions, and to admit when in the wrong. Precisely what I like to see in an administrator. Go forth and history merge! --[[User:Gimme danger|Danger]] ([[User talk:Gimme danger|talk]]) 06:22, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support''' Checking user and article talk shows ability to deal amicably with editors of all levels of experience, reason about policy, explain decisions, and to admit when in the wrong. Precisely what I like to see in an administrator. Go forth and history merge! --[[User:Gimme danger|Danger]] ([[User talk:Gimme danger|talk]]) 06:22, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support''', no reason to believe that user would abuse the tools. I'm disappointed that 6000 edits is no longer good enough for the editcountitis brigade. [[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] <sup>([[User talk:Lankiveil|speak to me]])</sup> 07:37, 5 February 2011 (UTC).
#'''Support''', no reason to believe that user would abuse the tools. I'm disappointed that 6000 edits is no longer good enough for the editcountitis brigade. [[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] <sup>([[User talk:Lankiveil|speak to me]])</sup> 07:37, 5 February 2011 (UTC).
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#'''Support.''' Motivated editor with no red flags for me. No indicators that this editor would run amok. Wants to be a janitor? Give them the mop. --[[User:Quartermaster|Quartermaster]] ([[User talk:Quartermaster|talk]]) 14:40, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support.''' Motivated editor with no red flags for me. No indicators that this editor would run amok. Wants to be a janitor? Give them the mop. --[[User:Quartermaster|Quartermaster]] ([[User talk:Quartermaster|talk]]) 14:40, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support''' For the exact same reasons as Danger --[[User:Physics is all gnomes|Physics is all gnomes]] ([[User talk:Physics is all gnomes|talk]]) 15:39, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support''' For the exact same reasons as Danger --[[User:Physics is all gnomes|Physics is all gnomes]] ([[User talk:Physics is all gnomes|talk]]) 15:39, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support''' – Reviewing the candidate's contributions, my impression is that he appears to have enough good sense and seems appropriately cautious. <font face="Comic sans MS">[[User:Paul Erik|Paul Erik]]</font> <small><sup><font color="Blue">[[User_talk:Paul Erik|(talk)]]</font><font color="Green">[[Special:Contributions/Paul Erik|(contribs)]]</font></sup></small> 17:38, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support''' – Reviewing the candidate's contributions, my impression is that he appears to have enough good sense and seems appropriately cautious. [[User:Paul Erik|<span style="font-family:Comic sans MS;">Paul Erik</span>]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Paul Erik|<span style="color:blue;">(talk)</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Paul Erik|<span style="color:green;">(contribs)</span>]]</sup></small> 17:38, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support''' No red flags, perfect answer to my question. <font color="#082567">[[User:Armbrust|Armbrust]]</font> <sup><font color="#E3A857">[[User talk:Armbrust|Talk]]</font></sup> <sub><font color="#008000">[[Special:Contributions/Armbrust|Contribs]]</font></sub> 18:24, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support''' No red flags, perfect answer to my question. [[User:Armbrust|<span style="color:#082567;">Armbrust</span>]] [[User talk:Armbrust|<sup style="color:#E3A857;">Talk</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Armbrust|<sub style="color:#008000;">Contribs</sub>]] 18:24, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support''' Honestly, I'd prefer to see more article building, but the crats, in close RfA, have made it fairly clear they don't think much of that as a reason and I have to accept that. If I didn't support, I'd probably neutral. No negatives I see, and I think he meets the community's standards. I'd really like to see an article or 2 built once he gets the bits though. Or if he doesn't.--[[User:Wehwalt|Wehwalt]] ([[User talk:Wehwalt|talk]]) 18:39, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support''' Honestly, I'd prefer to see more article building, but the crats, in close RfA, have made it fairly clear they don't think much of that as a reason and I have to accept that. If I didn't support, I'd probably neutral. No negatives I see, and I think he meets the community's standards. I'd really like to see an article or 2 built once he gets the bits though. Or if he doesn't.--[[User:Wehwalt|Wehwalt]] ([[User talk:Wehwalt|talk]]) 18:39, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
# Some of the opposes are understandable, yet some are ridiculous. We have a candidate who knows what he wants to do with the tools, and it's an area that we could use more admins in (requested moves has the worst backlog on the site right now). Who cares if he doesn't have anti-vandal experience, or hasn't written five FAs? [[User:Wizardman|<span style="color:#030">'''''Wizardman'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User:Wizardman/Operation Big Bear|<span style="color:#600">Operation Big Bear</span>]]</sub> 19:37, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
# Some of the opposes are understandable, yet some are ridiculous. We have a candidate who knows what he wants to do with the tools, and it's an area that we could use more admins in (requested moves has the worst backlog on the site right now). Who cares if he doesn't have anti-vandal experience, or hasn't written five FAs? [[User:Wizardman|<span style="color:#030">'''''Wizardman'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User:Wizardman/Operation Big Bear|<span style="color:#600">Operation Big Bear</span>]]</sub> 19:37, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
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#'''Support''' after a review of random contributions in the past few months, many of which seemed to evidence to me the sort of intterest in precision and detail focus that I'd want to see applied to history merges. --[[User:Joe Decker|j<small>&#9883;</small>e decker]][[User talk:Joe Decker|<sup><small><i>talk to me</i></small></sup>]] 18:19, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support''' after a review of random contributions in the past few months, many of which seemed to evidence to me the sort of intterest in precision and detail focus that I'd want to see applied to history merges. --[[User:Joe Decker|j<small>&#9883;</small>e decker]][[User talk:Joe Decker|<sup><small><i>talk to me</i></small></sup>]] 18:19, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support''' - While Erik's edit count is somewhat lower than the average historical edit count of successful admin candidates, it is not so low that we should be concerned, and I think he has proven that he is clueful enough to use the tools carefully. [[User:Snottywong|<span style="font:13px 'Copperplate Gothic Light';border:#AAAACC 1px inset;background-color:#EEEEFE;color=#225DC8">Snotty<font color="#648113">Wong</font></span>]]&nbsp;<sup><small>[[User talk:Snottywong|chatter]]</small></sup> 02:12, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support''' - While Erik's edit count is somewhat lower than the average historical edit count of successful admin candidates, it is not so low that we should be concerned, and I think he has proven that he is clueful enough to use the tools carefully. [[User:Snottywong|<span style="font:13px 'Copperplate Gothic Light';border:#AAAACC 1px inset;background-color:#EEEEFE;color=#225DC8">Snotty<font color="#648113">Wong</font></span>]]&nbsp;<sup><small>[[User talk:Snottywong|chatter]]</small></sup> 02:12, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support''' - Why not. [[User:Monterey Bay|Monterey Bay]] ([[User talk:Monterey Bay|talk]]) 03:23, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support'''. [[User:Lord Roem|Lord Roem]] ([[User talk:Lord Roem|talk]]) 04:14, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support''' -- [[User:Maximillion Pegasus|Maximillion Pegasus]] ([[User talk:Maximillion Pegasus|talk]]) 13:51, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support''' Ive thought long about this one. My initial reservations were due to the fact that i was un easy about the on and off track record over the first few years, then the sudden massive edit sprees. But then I thought what if he didnt have that earlier history, would my analysis be different, if its based solely on the last 6 months. In those six months Erik has shown himself to be competent and a net benefit. Im going to give him my support here, and if the RFA passes I hope he lives up to the communities trust in him. [[User:Ottawa4ever|Ottawa4ever]] ([[User talk:Ottawa4ever|talk]]) 14:06, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support''' - Reasonably experienced, net positive to project. -- [[User:King of Hearts|King of]] [[User:King of Hearts|<span style="color:red;">&hearts;</span>]] [[User talk:King of Hearts|<span style="color:red;">&diams;</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/King of Hearts|<span style="color:black;">&clubs;</span>]] &spades; 19:18, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
# [[WP:WPHM|Massive]] [[WP:RM|backlog]] is over there, here's a mop, sort it out. [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] 20:33, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
# '''Support''' - A very precise and useful objective as an admin combined with clear evidence of high quality edits and a collaborative, level-headed attitude. [[User:Alistair Stevenson|Alistair Stevenson]] ([[User talk:Alistair Stevenson|talk]]) 22:40, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
# '''Support''' Have seen no indication of problems with this user, if he intends to work on a finicky and unpopular backlog, we should let him at it. [[User:The Interior|<span style="color:brown;">The</span><span style="color:green;"> Interior</span>]] [[User Talk:The Interior|(Talk)]] 23:28, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support'''. I'm impressed by Erik's temperament and judgment, shown both on this page and elsewhere. There's nothing magical about the admin tools that cannot be learned by someone level-headed and sensible. There are plenty of people to point Erik in the right direction and he strikes me as the sort of person who will listen carefully to advice. Happy to support. <strong style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:WJBscribe|WJBscribe]] [[User talk:WJBscribe|(talk)]]</strong> 00:21, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support''' The user wants to volunteer in an area that requires the bit to work in. Has the editor worked in all area that the bit may be used in? no. However, the candidate states that he does not wish to work in all areas yet. When I think of a users time and edit count (whether it be 2000 or 20000, 6 months or 5 years), I look at if they have demonstrated a dedication to the encyclopedia, an approachable, collaborative attitude, and whether they have been able to demonstrated these abilities at this point. Has he done this in my mind. Yes. I do not think he will abuse or miss-use the tools or lacks the ability to learn the processes he wishes to do or the mentality to ask for help with questions in this or any other area they may someday later encounter. Will do just fine. [[User:Calmer Waters|<span style="color:black">'''''Calmer'''''</span>]] [[User talk:Calmer Waters|<span style="color:Blue">'''''Waters'''''</span>]] 02:16, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Support''' An extensive review of the candidate's new-page patrolling shows no problems, their talkpage indicates a collegiate and sensible editor. Perhaps, some more content work and bredth of experienced might have been preferable. However, I cannot see any indication that there would be much to gain in asking the candidate to wait a few months, particularly given their desire to work on backlogs.&nbsp; -- '''''[[User:Lear's Fool|Lear's]] [[User Talk:Lear's Fool|Fool]]''''' 02:28, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Strong Support''' First signing up support before closure. Am adding comments, so request the crat to kindly give me fifteen or so more minutes. Thanks...
#::Clearly, this is one of the oft-occurring cases where the closing bureaucrat has to go by his/her perception of whether the prospective administrator has made the mark. To one extent, getting the current support percentage, which is greater than~75%, is evidence enough of the acceptability of this community at large for this prospect. On another hand, given the opposing viewpoints, the closing bureaucrat must necessarily weigh in on how critical are those opposing viewpoints in this case. Has this prospect been called in by the opposing bench for his uncivil attitude? No. Has he been pulled up for edit warring flagrantly? No. Has he been castigated for going against community decisions? Not at all. In fact, more or less, almost all the opposing commentators have focussed on the perceptible lack of wide experience; at the same time accepted the editor's contributions in specialist areas. I recall one RfA where New York Brad had mentioned (I'm not 100% sure it was he, but more or less, I think it was) that it's simply impossible for editors to gain experience of the whole Wikipedia in the limited voluntary time that we have; and therefore, even prospects who are quite honest about their focus on a specialist set of areas, should be necessarily encouraged, motivated and promoted for the benefit of this project; massive benefit I should add. Erik should be promoted not just because he has been quite honest about his competencies and incompetencies, but the experiences that he has nurtured, the deportment that he has exhibited (not just during his time at our project, but most importantly in this Rfa), the openness to criticism that he has maintained, are all qualities that mark key characteristics of editors who're contributing their sincerest mite to this project -- so what if they're able to do this in 5 odd thousand edits over 6 odd years. WereSpielChequers wrote something like this once, and I agree fully, that even if an editor makes only one contribution in one year, and if that contribution is worthwhile for positive administration, then the editor should be made an administrator. Our project needs Erik, in as much as Erik wishes to contribute. With respect to the opposing bench, I should hope the closing bureaucrat ensures that Mr. Jimbo Wales adminship-is-no-big-deal statement is put in practice in reality than just in principle. Thanks.[[User:Wifione|'''<span style="color: red; 0.3em 0.3em 0.1em"> Wifione </span>''']] [[User talk:Wifione|'''<sub style="font-size: 60%">.......</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex"> Leave a message</sup>''']] 03:30, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
#:::Though I'm supporting, the above essay is off target. An editor who makes 1 edit per year should absolutely not be made an administrator, and advancing such an absurdity here highlights the potential inexperience of this candidate. While I disagree with the opposers in this particular case, their argument is entirely reasonable, and the consistency of this concern in the oppose section strikes me as reasonable grounds for the closer to go either way on this one. [[User:Townlake|Townlake]] ([[User talk:Townlake|talk]]) 04:15, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
#:::I very much echo Townlake. It is usually valid to dismiss "too little experience" out of hand with this candidate's experience, but 400 wiki-space edits for a potential history merger ''might'' (or might not) be deemed as an exception to that general principle. —[[User:WFCforLife|W]][[User talk:WFCforLife|F]][[Special:Contributions/WFCforLife|C]]— 05:53, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''support''' Adminship is quite obviously a big deal, at least potentially -- otherwise why we we be continually trying to reassure ourselves that it isn't . But most of it is potential -- the potential to do harm, especially to new users. I'm not worried about Erik doing that. He knows what he's about, and he'll work on what he says he will. The two basic qualifications are trust, & ability to know one's own competence. '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 05:32, 10 February 2011 (UTC)


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:::I've had extreme problems with X-tools recently; I was beginning to think (Oh! what bad faith) they had been disabled again.--[[User:Kudpung|Kudpung]] ([[User talk:Kudpung|talk]]) 08:17, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
:::I've had extreme problems with X-tools recently; I was beginning to think (Oh! what bad faith) they had been disabled again.--[[User:Kudpung|Kudpung]] ([[User talk:Kudpung|talk]]) 08:17, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
# Regretfully '''Oppose''' I admire the candidate's desire to better the project in an area that certainly do need attention, but I am not a fan of "specialty" administrators, which is what I would consider this request to be. Only 1780 edits to articles in a span of "five years" is entirely too low for me to consider as enough experience to be given the mop. I would encourage the candidate to broaden their skills a bit and try again in six months or so. With all due respect and still in appreciation of the candidate's desire to contribute, --[[User:Strikerforce|Strikerforce]] ([[User talk:Strikerforce|talk]]) 10:19, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
# Regretfully '''Oppose''' I admire the candidate's desire to better the project in an area that certainly do need attention, but I am not a fan of "specialty" administrators, which is what I would consider this request to be. Only 1780 edits to articles in a span of "five years" is entirely too low for me to consider as enough experience to be given the mop. I would encourage the candidate to broaden their skills a bit and try again in six months or so. With all due respect and still in appreciation of the candidate's desire to contribute, --[[User:Strikerforce|Strikerforce]] ([[User talk:Strikerforce|talk]]) 10:19, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
# '''Oppose''' This person dosen't seem to be a dangerous individual, however there simply isn't a large enough track record for me to go off of. This RfA was perhaps 3 months too early, at least in my opinion. While I appreciate the willingness this user shows towards cleaning out the history merge backlog, [[Wikipedia:Contribution Team/Backlogs|there is a whole slew of other backlogs]] that do not require the mop. I'm all for specialty admins, but as I said below in the neutral section, my standards are higher for anyone anything less than a year of active editing. [[User:Sven Manguard|<font color="207004"><big>'''S</big>ven <big>M</big>anguard'''</font>]] [[User talk:Sven Manguard|<small><font color="FCD116">'''Wha?'''</font></small>]] 16:20, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
# '''Oppose''' This person dosen't seem to be a dangerous individual, however there simply isn't a large enough track record for me to go off of. This RfA was perhaps 3 months too early, at least in my opinion. While I appreciate the willingness this user shows towards cleaning out the history merge backlog, [[Wikipedia:Contribution Team/Backlogs|there is a whole slew of other backlogs]] that do not require the mop. I'm all for specialty admins, but as I said below in the neutral section, my standards are higher for anyone anything less than a year of active editing. [[User:Sven Manguard|<font color="207004">'''<big>S</big>ven <big>M</big>anguard'''</font>]] [[User talk:Sven Manguard|<small><font color="FCD116">'''Wha?'''</font></small>]] 16:20, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Oppose''' per Sven Manguard and [[WP:NOTNOW]]. Kudos for being a long-term member and contributor to the project, but there's just not enough overall activity to adequately evaluate the candidate's experience level and judgment, recent activity notwithstanding. --[[User:N5iln|Alan the Roving Ambassador]] ([[User talk:N5iln|talk]]) 16:32, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Oppose''' per Sven Manguard and [[WP:NOTNOW]]. Kudos for being a long-term member and contributor to the project, but there's just not enough overall activity to adequately evaluate the candidate's experience level and judgment, recent activity notwithstanding. --[[User:N5iln|Alan the Roving Ambassador]] ([[User talk:N5iln|talk]]) 16:32, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
# '''Oppose''' Too little experience so too little information to make an informed judgement. I'm quite happy that someone is willing to do a tedious and fiddly task (I hate doing history merges), so I'd like Erik to become an admin, but I can't give support to someone with so little genuine experience of Wikipedia. I'm quite comfortable with someone becoming an admin in order to deal with just a handful of tasks; it's a just a case of having complete confidence in that person's judgement. History merges are awkward when they go wrong, and I note from Erik's edit history that he is a hit and miss editor who works casually by trial and error - [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Acrophyseter&action=history] - which is fine for doing articles, but is not the sort of approach to take to doing history merges. I'd like to see an extended period of careful editing in order to feel confident. <span style="border: 1px #F10; background-color:cream;">'''[[User:SilkTork|<font face="Script MT" color="#1111AA" size="2">SilkTork</font>]]''' *[[User talk:SilkTork|<sup>YES!</sup>]]</span> 16:41, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
# '''Oppose''' Too little experience so too little information to make an informed judgement. I'm quite happy that someone is willing to do a tedious and fiddly task (I hate doing history merges), so I'd like Erik to become an admin, but I can't give support to someone with so little genuine experience of Wikipedia. I'm quite comfortable with someone becoming an admin in order to deal with just a handful of tasks; it's a just a case of having complete confidence in that person's judgement. History merges are awkward when they go wrong, and I note from Erik's edit history that he is a hit and miss editor who works casually by trial and error - [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Acrophyseter&action=history] - which is fine for doing articles, but is not the sort of approach to take to doing history merges. I'd like to see an extended period of careful editing in order to feel confident. <span style="border: 1px #F10; background-color:cream;">'''[[User:SilkTork|<span style="font-family:Script MT; color:#1111AA; font-size:small;">SilkTork</span>]]''' *[[User talk:SilkTork|<sup>YES!</sup>]]</span> 16:41, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
#:SilkTork, I appreciate your thoughtful comments here. While somewhat tangential to your main point, I would like to note that several of my edits at [[Acrophyseter]] were to try to overcome bugs being repeatedly introduced and fixed in a template that that article was using. For example, I assure you [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Acrophyseter&oldid=396983091 this revision] did not look that bad at the time. Thanks, [[User:ErikHaugen|ErikHaugen]] <small>([[User talk:ErikHaugen|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ErikHaugen|contribs]])</small> 22:00, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
#:SilkTork, I appreciate your thoughtful comments here. While somewhat tangential to your main point, I would like to note that several of my edits at [[Acrophyseter]] were to try to overcome bugs being repeatedly introduced and fixed in a template that that article was using. For example, I assure you [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Acrophyseter&oldid=396983091 this revision] did not look that bad at the time. Thanks, [[User:ErikHaugen|ErikHaugen]] <small>([[User talk:ErikHaugen|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ErikHaugen|contribs]])</small> 22:00, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
#On [[WP:NOTNOW]] grounds. You're a good editor, but while I like most of what I see at the basic processes, with fewer than 400 edits I'm afraid that there isn't enough of a record to go on. While some would at a glance label me as a deletionist (which I only accept to be the case for marginally-notable BLPs), hitting the delete button will often be a big deal to an article's creator, and I think this is an important factor to bear in mind when judging a tight AfD (particularly when it ''isn't'' a low-profile BLP). For that reason, I think a reasonable article creation record is a must. In short, keep going, and in around 6 months (conceivably less if you are fairly active) I would be happy to support. —[[User:WFCforLife|W]][[User talk:WFCforLife|F]][[Special:Contributions/WFCforLife|C]]— 19:38, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
#On [[WP:NOTNOW]] grounds. You're a good editor, but while I like most of what I see at the basic processes, with fewer than 400 edits I'm afraid that there isn't enough of a record to go on. While some would at a glance label me as a deletionist (which I only accept to be the case for marginally-notable BLPs), hitting the delete button will often be a big deal to an article's creator, and I think this is an important factor to bear in mind when judging a tight AfD (particularly when it ''isn't'' a low-profile BLP). For that reason, I think a reasonable article creation record is a must. In short, keep going, and in around 6 months (conceivably less if you are fairly active) I would be happy to support. —[[User:WFCforLife|W]][[User talk:WFCforLife|F]][[Special:Contributions/WFCforLife|C]]— 19:38, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
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#::Fewer than 400 edits at processes such as AfD etc. Sorry for the ambiguity. —[[User:WFCforLife|W]][[User talk:WFCforLife|F]][[Special:Contributions/WFCforLife|C]]— 19:50, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
#::Fewer than 400 edits at processes such as AfD etc. Sorry for the ambiguity. —[[User:WFCforLife|W]][[User talk:WFCforLife|F]][[Special:Contributions/WFCforLife|C]]— 19:50, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
#:::Further discussion on this matter can be found on my [[User talk:WFCforLife#Quick question|talk page]]. I've probably done a better job of explaining myself there. —[[User:WFCforLife|W]][[User talk:WFCforLife|F]][[Special:Contributions/WFCforLife|C]]— 20:19, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
#:::Further discussion on this matter can be found on my [[User talk:WFCforLife#Quick question|talk page]]. I've probably done a better job of explaining myself there. —[[User:WFCforLife|W]][[User talk:WFCforLife|F]][[Special:Contributions/WFCforLife|C]]— 20:19, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
#::::I would like to just close by saying that I have not blindly quoted NOTNOW, as seems to be the belief of some above. I think it is applicable in this particular set of circumstances, for an editor looking to do this particular job. I accept that the majority probably disagree with this, but I would hope that I have at least made my rationale clear. —[[User:WFCforLife|W]][[User talk:WFCforLife|F]][[Special:Contributions/WFCforLife|C]]— 05:56, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Oppose''', regretfully. I have no problem with the recentism of major activity - some people take time to find their groove in the project. The nom seems to be reasonable and polite, but has little to no significant contributions. Non-writers should not be allowed access to the delete button. Looking at this editor's most edited articles shows stubs and articles in serious need of cleanup. While history merging is an area that could use help, I do not trust this user to close deletion discussions based upon WP space edits, writing experience, and overall demonstration of policy knowledge. Also, per [[User:SilkTork]] and [[User:WFCforLife|WFC]]. '''[[User:JimMillerJr|<span style="color:green">Jim Miller</span>]]''' <sup> [[Special:Contributions/JimMillerJr|See me]] | [[User talk:JimMillerJr|Touch me]]</sup> 21:57, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Oppose''', regretfully. I have no problem with the recentism of major activity - some people take time to find their groove in the project. The nom seems to be reasonable and polite, but has little to no significant contributions. Non-writers should not be allowed access to the delete button. Looking at this editor's most edited articles shows stubs and articles in serious need of cleanup. While history merging is an area that could use help, I do not trust this user to close deletion discussions based upon WP space edits, writing experience, and overall demonstration of policy knowledge. Also, per [[User:SilkTork]] and [[User:WFCforLife|WFC]]. '''[[User:JimMillerJr|<span style="color:green">Jim Miller</span>]]''' <sup> [[Special:Contributions/JimMillerJr|See me]] | [[User talk:JimMillerJr|Touch me]]</sup> 21:57, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Oppose''' − Sorry, but anyone that starts their RfA by saying "''I am nominating myself primarily because I would like to work on history merges''" and then goes on to say "''I don't really have any experience with history merges''" doesn't get my !vote. It might be an idea to reapply when you have some experience in the area that you want to work in. I wasn't convinced by the answer to Question 12 either. He doesn't seem to have anything but a superficial understanding of what tools he'll get and how he'll use them. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">— [[User:Fly by Night|<span style="font-family:Segoe print">'''''Fly by Night'''''</span>]] <font color="#000000">([[User talk:Fly by Night|<span style="font-family:Segoe print">talk</span>]])</font></span> 16:44, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Oppose''' − Sorry, but anyone that starts their RfA by saying "''I am nominating myself primarily because I would like to work on history merges''" and then goes on to say "''I don't really have any experience with history merges''" doesn't get my !vote. It might be an idea to reapply when you have some experience in the area that you want to work in. I wasn't convinced by the answer to Question 12 either. He doesn't seem to have anything but a superficial understanding of what tools he'll get and how he'll use them. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">— [[User:Fly by Night|<span style="font-family:Segoe print">'''''Fly by Night'''''</span>]] <span style="color:#000000;">([[User talk:Fly by Night|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#000000;">talk</span>]])</span></span> 16:44, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
#:I assumed when you asked question 12 that you knew that history-merging was an admin-only activity, but that you wanted the candidate to explain in his own words how he would do history merges if given the tools. It now appears you genuinely don't understand that ''non-admins cannot do history merges.'' What experience with history merges do you expect a non-admin to have, given that non-admins cannot actually do them? [[User:28bytes|28bytes]] ([[User talk:28bytes|talk]]) 16:49, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
#:I assumed when you asked question 12 that you knew that history-merging was an admin-only activity, but that you wanted the candidate to explain in his own words how he would do history merges if given the tools. It now appears you genuinely don't understand that ''non-admins cannot do history merges.'' What experience with history merges do you expect a non-admin to have, given that non-admins cannot actually do them? [[User:28bytes|28bytes]] ([[User talk:28bytes|talk]]) 16:49, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
#:I agree with 28bytes - what experience where you expecting Fly by Night? The candidate also has ZERO edits to the mediawiki interface. Perhaps this is also a source of concern? <small><span style="border:1px solid #0000ff;padding:1px;">[[User:Pedro|<b>Pedro</b>]] : [[User_talk:Pedro|<font style="color:#accC10;background:#0000fa;">&nbsp;Chat&nbsp;</font>]] </span></small> 22:10, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
#:I agree with 28bytes - what experience where you expecting Fly by Night? The candidate also has ZERO edits to the mediawiki interface. Perhaps this is also a source of concern? <small><span style="border:1px solid #0000ff;padding:1px;">[[User:Pedro|<b>Pedro</b>]] : [[User_talk:Pedro|<span style="color:#accC10; background:#0000fa;">&nbsp;Chat&nbsp;</span>]] </span></small> 22:10, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
#::I'm please that you both agree; that's really sweet. I could scratch the first half of my oppose and still have enough doubts not to support. The candidate just doesn't instil any confidence in me. It seems like he still has a lot of learning left to do. Pedro: drop the sarcasm, it doesn't suit you. I'm sorry you disagree with me, but hey. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">— [[User:Fly by Night|<span style="font-family:Segoe print">'''''Fly by Night'''''</span>]] <font color="#000000">([[User talk:Fly by Night|<span style="font-family:Segoe print">talk</span>]])</font></span> 02:33, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
#::I'm please that you both agree; that's really sweet. I could scratch the first half of my oppose and still have enough doubts not to support. The candidate just doesn't instil any confidence in me. It seems like he still has a lot of learning left to do. Pedro: drop the sarcasm, it doesn't suit you. I'm sorry you disagree with me, but hey. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">— [[User:Fly by Night|<span style="font-family:Segoe print">'''''Fly by Night'''''</span>]] <span style="color:#000000;">([[User talk:Fly by Night|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#000000;">talk</span>]])</span></span> 02:33, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
#:::Actually with all due respect Fly by Night, but Pedro is correct with what he is saying. Some people these days expect too much from others. -- [[User:MelbourneStar1|MelbourneStar☆]] ([[User talk:MelbourneStar1|talk]]) 02:42, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
#:::Actually with all due respect Fly by Night, but Pedro is correct with what he is saying. Some people these days expect too much from others. -- [[User:MelbourneStar1|MelbourneStar☆]] ([[User talk:MelbourneStar1|talk]]) 02:42, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
#::::Listen guys, I have no idea what you're trying to achieve here. If you want them I'll list all of my reservations about the candidate. What good will that do, besides make him feel even worse about people opposing him. Save your breath and stop hounding. This getting annoying now. My vote isn't moving, all you're going to do is synthesis more criticism of the candidate. In fact, no. I'm not coming back to this page again; so you can write what you want. I won't be reading it. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">— [[User:Fly by Night|<span style="font-family:Segoe print">'''''Fly by Night'''''</span>]] <font color="#000000">([[User talk:Fly by Night|<span style="font-family:Segoe print">talk</span>]])</font></span> 03:06, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
#::::Listen guys, I have no idea what you're trying to achieve here. If you want them I'll list all of my reservations about the candidate. What good will that do, besides make him feel even worse about people opposing him. Save your breath and stop hounding. This getting annoying now. My vote isn't moving, all you're going to do is synthesis more criticism of the candidate. In fact, no. I'm not coming back to this page again; so you can write what you want. I won't be reading it. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">— [[User:Fly by Night|<span style="font-family:Segoe print">'''''Fly by Night'''''</span>]] <span style="color:#000000;">([[User talk:Fly by Night|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#000000;">talk</span>]])</span></span> 03:06, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
#:::::Since I know you're going to come back to read this, I'll bite. Please list all of your reservations about the candidate. "He didn't do something he couldn't do without the tools" was an entertaining start. [[User:Townlake|Townlake]] ([[User talk:Townlake|talk]]) 04:35, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
#:::::Since I know you're going to come back to read this, I'll bite. Please list all of your reservations about the candidate. "He didn't do something he couldn't do without the tools" was an entertaining start. [[User:Townlake|Townlake]] ([[User talk:Townlake|talk]]) 04:35, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
#::::::Well, I do believe your argument will be given more weight once you have made a valid point. Your argument right now lacks anything of substance. I do not believe the candidate will "feel even worse" if you list constructive criticism. But then again, the ball is in your court. &mdash;[[User talk:DarkFalls|Dark]] 10:00, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
#::::::Well, I do believe your argument will be given more weight once you have made a valid point. Your argument right now lacks anything of substance. I do not believe the candidate will "feel even worse" if you list constructive criticism. But then again, the ball is in your court. &mdash;[[User talk:DarkFalls|Dark]] 10:00, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
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#'''Oppose''' I see some good things with this application, and I'm sure that some areas could do with some more help at times. However, we don't have half a mop, just a full one, so I think it's necessary that applicants have '''some''' experience in all areas. In this case I see almost zero vandal fighting, and vandalism is a serious part of admins work (and the few warnings I have looked up have been warning1 when warning1 is already on the page) - I cannot even suggest some time with [[WP:HG|huggle]] as that requires a rollbacker attribute, and we haven't yet seen enough vandal fighting to be able to give you that - which you would gain if this application went through. '''[[User:Ronhjones|<span style="border:1px solid black;color:black; padding:1px;background:yellow"><font color="green">&nbsp;Ron<font color="red">h</font>jones&nbsp;</font></span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Ronhjones|&nbsp;(Talk)]]</sup> 22:13, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Oppose''' I see some good things with this application, and I'm sure that some areas could do with some more help at times. However, we don't have half a mop, just a full one, so I think it's necessary that applicants have '''some''' experience in all areas. In this case I see almost zero vandal fighting, and vandalism is a serious part of admins work (and the few warnings I have looked up have been warning1 when warning1 is already on the page) - I cannot even suggest some time with [[WP:HG|huggle]] as that requires a rollbacker attribute, and we haven't yet seen enough vandal fighting to be able to give you that - which you would gain if this application went through. '''[[User:Ronhjones|<span style="border:1px solid black; color:green; padding:1px; background:yellow;">&nbsp;Ron<span style="color:red;">h</span>jones&nbsp;</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Ronhjones|&nbsp;(Talk)]]</sup> 22:13, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Oppose''' - I see no countervandalism work, or any other need for the tools. [[User:Ajraddatz|Ajraddatz]]<small> ([[User Talk:Ajraddatz|Talk]])</small> 22:47, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Oppose''' - I see no countervandalism work, or any other need for the tools. [[User:Ajraddatz|Ajraddatz]]<small> ([[User Talk:Ajraddatz|Talk]])</small> 22:47, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
#:History merges require the tools, there is a backlog and this candidate has offered to help address this. May I suggest you reconsider your oppose? ''[[User:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkGreen">Ϣere</span>]][[User talk:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkRed">Spiel</span>]]<span style="color:DarkOrange">Chequers''</span> 14:43, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
#:History merges require the tools, there is a backlog and this candidate has offered to help address this. May I suggest you reconsider your oppose? ''[[User:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkGreen">Ϣere</span>]][[User talk:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkRed">Spiel</span>]]<span style="color:DarkOrange">Chequers</span>'' 14:43, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Oppose''' - I agree with Ronhjones, SilkTork and others expressing reservations. While I thank the candidate for service to the encyclopedia, there are too many areas of experience missing for me to cast a !vote in favor of adminship. Should the mop not be granted, please consider looking into broader experience, and perhaps trying again later this year. My best wishes. [[User:Jusdafax|Jusdafax]] 00:45, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Oppose''' - I agree with Ronhjones, SilkTork and others expressing reservations. While I thank the candidate for service to the encyclopedia, there are too many areas of experience missing for me to cast a !vote in favor of adminship. Should the mop not be granted, please consider looking into broader experience, and perhaps trying again later this year. My best wishes. [[User:Jusdafax|Jusdafax]] 00:45, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Oppose''' - Doesn't meet my criteria. I don't see any real negatives here, just needs more experience. I too am wary of specialist RfA's. --'''[[User:Kraftlos|<span style='font-family:"Tempus Sans ITC"; color:#5342F'>Kraftlos</span>]]''' ''([[User talk:Kraftlos|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kraftlos|Contrib]])'' 09:14, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Oppose''' - Doesn't meet my criteria. I don't see any real negatives here, just needs more experience. I too am wary of specialist RfA's. --'''[[User:Kraftlos|<span style='font-family:"Tempus Sans ITC"; color:#5342F'>Kraftlos</span>]]''' ''([[User talk:Kraftlos|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kraftlos|Contrib]])'' 09:14, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
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#:::I certainly don't consider them mutually exclusive. (I humbly submit that I did both under this account and an older one) But not everyone enjoys both aspects and it's important to embrace this and not fight against it. It's true that admins with limited content building experience are susceptible to make mistakes that really piss off content builders. But what are the alternatives? Fewer admins? That gives you an even stronger Wikipolitical clique. More content-builders as admins? Sounds reasonable except many have openly expressed zero interest in the job. Others do have the bit but don't use it. Other potential recruits have a serious lack of experience with the administrative side of things. [[User:Pichpich|Pichpich]] ([[User talk:Pichpich|talk]]) 02:47, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
#:::I certainly don't consider them mutually exclusive. (I humbly submit that I did both under this account and an older one) But not everyone enjoys both aspects and it's important to embrace this and not fight against it. It's true that admins with limited content building experience are susceptible to make mistakes that really piss off content builders. But what are the alternatives? Fewer admins? That gives you an even stronger Wikipolitical clique. More content-builders as admins? Sounds reasonable except many have openly expressed zero interest in the job. Others do have the bit but don't use it. Other potential recruits have a serious lack of experience with the administrative side of things. [[User:Pichpich|Pichpich]] ([[User talk:Pichpich|talk]]) 02:47, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
#::::People want to see content building experience to prove that they actually understand the project, but in practice, very few admin tasks deal directly with content building, so being experienced on the maintenance side of things is also required. If you don't have the balance of experience that happens to be required in the week you do your RFA, you get opposed. But I agree that anything that tries, even indirectly, to discourage people from making any sort of constructive contributions is going to be counterproductive. <span style="font-family:Broadway">[[User:Mr.Z-man|Mr.]][[User talk:Mr.Z-man|'''''Z-'''man'']]</span> 04:07, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
#::::People want to see content building experience to prove that they actually understand the project, but in practice, very few admin tasks deal directly with content building, so being experienced on the maintenance side of things is also required. If you don't have the balance of experience that happens to be required in the week you do your RFA, you get opposed. But I agree that anything that tries, even indirectly, to discourage people from making any sort of constructive contributions is going to be counterproductive. <span style="font-family:Broadway">[[User:Mr.Z-man|Mr.]][[User talk:Mr.Z-man|'''''Z-'''man'']]</span> 04:07, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Oppose''' I am quite certain that this editor would be wholly competent at performing history merges. But Admin permissions are not and cannot be limited to this function. And I see no evidence that this user could be trusted with the tools in other areas, which he would have available to him if given the mop and bucket.--<font color="Red">[[User:Anthony Bradbury|'''Anthony Bradbury''']]</font><sup><font color="Black">[[User talk:Anthony.bradbury|"talk"]]</font></sup> 23:31, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Oppose''' I am quite certain that this editor would be wholly competent at performing history merges. But Admin permissions are not and cannot be limited to this function. And I see no evidence that this user could be trusted with the tools in other areas, which he would have available to him if given the mop and bucket.--[[User:Anthony Bradbury|<b style="color:red;">Anthony Bradbury</b>]][[User talk:Anthony.bradbury|<sup style="color:black;">"talk"</sup>]] 23:31, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Oppose'''. I'm sorry, but you simply don't have enough experience for me to be comfortable giving you the mop and history merges, especially the more complex cases, are not something one can pick up overnight or just by reading the instructions (which I actually found more complicated than doing the history merge itself). You seem like a decent person, but you're not ready to be an admin. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</font>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">Penny for your thoughts? </font>]] 01:47, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Oppose'''. I'm sorry, but you simply don't have enough experience for me to be comfortable giving you the mop and history merges, especially the more complex cases, are not something one can pick up overnight or just by reading the instructions (which I actually found more complicated than doing the history merge itself). You seem like a decent person, but you're not ready to be an admin. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]] 01:47, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
#:How exactly do you pick it up then? History merges aren't something that a non-admin can really participate in. <span style="font-family:Broadway">[[User:Mr.Z-man|Mr.]][[User talk:Mr.Z-man|'''''Z-'''man'']]</span> 07:12, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
#:How exactly do you pick it up then? History merges aren't something that a non-admin can really participate in. <span style="font-family:Broadway">[[User:Mr.Z-man|Mr.]][[User talk:Mr.Z-man|'''''Z-'''man'']]</span> 07:12, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
#::Theoretically he could have experience adminning on other wikis, WMF or otherwise, that involves making history merges. That said, we've had a few admins come here saying they know everything because they're an admin on some other site and they tend to get massacred unless they have significant experience here as well. '''[[User:Soap|<font color="green">—</font>]][[User talk:Soap|<font color="057602">''Soap''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Soap|<font color="green">—</font>]]''' 13:40, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
#::Theoretically he could have experience adminning on other wikis, WMF or otherwise, that involves making history merges. That said, we've had a few admins come here saying they know everything because they're an admin on some other site and they tend to get massacred unless they have significant experience here as well. '''[[User:Soap|<font color="green">—</font>]][[User talk:Soap|<font color="057602">''Soap''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Soap|<font color="green">—</font>]]''' 13:40, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
#:I have very occasionally done history merges, and every time I have been frightened to death of making a mess of it. The only way, as far as I can see, to make a start on learning to do it is to sit there with the instructions in front of you and carefully read them and check every step as you go along. There has to be a first time. I also seem to remember that the first time I did it I first tried a dummy run on a user-space page created for the purpose. However, I would ''very strongly'' discourage anyone from doing all that until they have had a significant amount of experience at other deletions, moves, etc. [[User:JamesBWatson|JamesBWatson]] ([[User talk:JamesBWatson|talk]]) 13:12, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
#:I have very occasionally done history merges, and every time I have been frightened to death of making a mess of it. The only way, as far as I can see, to make a start on learning to do it is to sit there with the instructions in front of you and carefully read them and check every step as you go along. There has to be a first time. I also seem to remember that the first time I did it I first tried a dummy run on a user-space page created for the purpose. However, I would ''very strongly'' discourage anyone from doing all that until they have had a significant amount of experience at other deletions, moves, etc. [[User:JamesBWatson|JamesBWatson]] ([[User talk:JamesBWatson|talk]]) 13:12, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
#::I meant but forgot to say in that edit "but I don't think this is a reason to oppose: it is rather a reason to advise the candidate to be very careful if this RfA succeeds". [[User:JamesBWatson|JamesBWatson]] ([[User talk:JamesBWatson|talk]]) 15:49, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
#::I meant but forgot to say in that edit "but I don't think this is a reason to oppose: it is rather a reason to advise the candidate to be very careful if this RfA succeeds". [[User:JamesBWatson|JamesBWatson]] ([[User talk:JamesBWatson|talk]]) 15:49, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
#::The candidate is a computer programmer, I take it from this that they are rather less likely than the average admin to muck up a history merge the first time they do one. But I'm less concerned about technical competence at RFA than I am about judgement. I believe that the risk with history merges is not so much that someone will miss a step out and fail to restore half the edits, I'm more concerned that they make the right decisions as to whether or not articles should be merged and either decline some sensible merges or undertake some less sensible ones..... From what I've seen of the candidate's edits I think they would get this right, but key to this is the candidate's ability to judge consensus and their views on merger. If those in the oppose camp want to persuade me to move here they would need to find some diffs showing either that the candidate had odd views as to when two articles should merge, didn't understand consensus or was prepared to use the tools in accordance with their views even when that went against consensus. From what I've seen of the candidate's edits I believe that such diffs would be hard to find, I certainly don't see many diffs in the oppose section. ''[[User:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkGreen">Ϣere</span>]][[User talk:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkRed">Spiel</span>]]<span style="color:DarkOrange">Chequers''</span> 14:37, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
#::The candidate is a computer programmer, I take it from this that they are rather less likely than the average admin to muck up a history merge the first time they do one. But I'm less concerned about technical competence at RFA than I am about judgement. I believe that the risk with history merges is not so much that someone will miss a step out and fail to restore half the edits, I'm more concerned that they make the right decisions as to whether or not articles should be merged and either decline some sensible merges or undertake some less sensible ones..... From what I've seen of the candidate's edits I think they would get this right, but key to this is the candidate's ability to judge consensus and their views on merger. If those in the oppose camp want to persuade me to move here they would need to find some diffs showing either that the candidate had odd views as to when two articles should merge, didn't understand consensus or was prepared to use the tools in accordance with their views even when that went against consensus. From what I've seen of the candidate's edits I believe that such diffs would be hard to find, I certainly don't see many diffs in the oppose section. ''[[User:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkGreen">Ϣere</span>]][[User talk:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkRed">Spiel</span>]]<span style="color:DarkOrange">Chequers</span>'' 14:37, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
#:::It's been a long time since I've done history merges, but I don't recall very many instances where one actually required consensus. History merges are entirely different from regular merges and except in rare cases, shouldn't be done together. In the vast majority of cases, history merges are just used to fix a copy-and-paste move. It's a non-controversial, technical fix that typically doesn't result in any visible changes outside of page histories. If the content of 2 separate articles is being merged, the history should stay separate unless they both evolved from the same original article via a C&P move. <span style="font-family:Broadway">[[User:Mr.Z-man|Mr.]][[User talk:Mr.Z-man|'''''Z-'''man'']]</span> 23:08, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
#:::It's been a long time since I've done history merges, but I don't recall very many instances where one actually required consensus. History merges are entirely different from regular merges and except in rare cases, shouldn't be done together. In the vast majority of cases, history merges are just used to fix a copy-and-paste move. It's a non-controversial, technical fix that typically doesn't result in any visible changes outside of page histories. If the content of 2 separate articles is being merged, the history should stay separate unless they both evolved from the same original article via a C&P move. <span style="font-family:Broadway">[[User:Mr.Z-man|Mr.]][[User talk:Mr.Z-man|'''''Z-'''man'']]</span> 23:08, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Oppose''' per not enough experience [[User:Someone65|Someone65]] ([[User talk:Someone65|talk]]) 05:57, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Oppose''' per not enough experience [[User:Someone65|Someone65]] ([[User talk:Someone65|talk]]) 05:57, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
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#'''Not yet''', but very probably '''support''' for a future RfA when the candidate has had more experience. A good editor, but there are numerous gaps which have been pointed out on this page. [[User:JamesBWatson|JamesBWatson]] ([[User talk:JamesBWatson|talk]]) 13:12, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Not yet''', but very probably '''support''' for a future RfA when the candidate has had more experience. A good editor, but there are numerous gaps which have been pointed out on this page. [[User:JamesBWatson|JamesBWatson]] ([[User talk:JamesBWatson|talk]]) 13:12, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Oppose:''' for the time being. When the candidate has more edits I will support. - [[User:Ret.Prof|Ret.Prof]] ([[User talk:Ret.Prof|talk]])
#'''Oppose:''' for the time being. When the candidate has more edits I will support. - [[User:Ret.Prof|Ret.Prof]] ([[User talk:Ret.Prof|talk]])
#:How many more would you like? 1? 17? 383? Editcountitis much. I doubt this comment will get much weight from the closing bureaucrat unless you substantiate it. <small><span style="border:1px solid #0000ff;padding:1px;">[[User:Pedro|<b>Pedro</b>]] : [[User_talk:Pedro|<font style="color:#accC10;background:#0000fa;">&nbsp;Chat&nbsp;</font>]] </span></small> 21:24, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
#:How many more would you like? 1? 17? 383? Editcountitis much. I doubt this comment will get much weight from the closing bureaucrat unless you substantiate it. <small><span style="border:1px solid #0000ff;padding:1px;">[[User:Pedro|<b>Pedro</b>]] : [[User_talk:Pedro|<span style="color:#accC10; background:#0000fa;">&nbsp;Chat&nbsp;</span>]] </span></small> 21:24, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
#::Presumably it isn't simply a cut-off number, perhaps the quality, size, or focus of the edits will matter to this editor. A large portion of the commentary in this section has been about this issue, which is a very important one, in my opinion ''the'' most important one at an RfA: "is this candidate trustworthy?" In a sense, ideally we could just give all the buttons to almost everyone, like we do with "edit" and "view history". But some of the tools can do more damage than others, so it is prudent to ensure that only those whom we generally trust to not rashly misuse or outright abuse them will be able to do things like delete or protect articles and block other users. While I, as I said in my nomination, disagree that my corpus of work on this project is insufficient to judge whether I will be careless or cruel with "delete" and "block" etc, or use them rashly without taking the time to understand their proper use if I don't understand it already, and know what I don't know, I certainly respect the care and hesitancy of the "oppose" !voters when trying to answer this question. I know for at least some of them that a simple number of edits is not the criteria, since they have recently voted in support of candidates with fewer edits. They are presumably also considering the namespace, magnitude, quality, etc of the edits when determining if there is enough experience to judge trustworthiness. I'm honored and humbled by those who have examined my contributions and found me trustworthy, and grateful to everyone who has taken the time to participate in this discussion, regardless of their conclusions. Thank you! [[User:ErikHaugen|ErikHaugen]] <small>([[User talk:ErikHaugen|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ErikHaugen|contribs]])</small> 02:11, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
#::Presumably it isn't simply a cut-off number, perhaps the quality, size, or focus of the edits will matter to this editor. A large portion of the commentary in this section has been about this issue, which is a very important one, in my opinion ''the'' most important one at an RfA: "is this candidate trustworthy?" In a sense, ideally we could just give all the buttons to almost everyone, like we do with "edit" and "view history". But some of the tools can do more damage than others, so it is prudent to ensure that only those whom we generally trust to not rashly misuse or outright abuse them will be able to do things like delete or protect articles and block other users. While I, as I said in my nomination, disagree that my corpus of work on this project is insufficient to judge whether I will be careless or cruel with "delete" and "block" etc, or use them rashly without taking the time to understand their proper use if I don't understand it already, and know what I don't know, I certainly respect the care and hesitancy of the "oppose" !voters when trying to answer this question. I know for at least some of them that a simple number of edits is not the criteria, since they have recently voted in support of candidates with fewer edits. They are presumably also considering the namespace, magnitude, quality, etc of the edits when determining if there is enough experience to judge trustworthiness. I'm honored and humbled by those who have examined my contributions and found me trustworthy, and grateful to everyone who has taken the time to participate in this discussion, regardless of their conclusions. Thank you! [[User:ErikHaugen|ErikHaugen]] <small>([[User talk:ErikHaugen|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ErikHaugen|contribs]])</small> 02:11, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
#:::Well said Erik. This sort of calm and clear thinking is exactly why I put myself in the support camp here. <font style="font-family: Georgia">[[User:Steven Walling|Steven Walling]]</font> 22:30, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
#:::Well said Erik. This sort of calm and clear thinking is exactly why I put myself in the support camp here. [[User:Steven Walling|<span style="font-family:Georgia;">Steven Walling</span>]] 22:30, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Oppose:''' After a thorough lookover of this candidate, the most concerning thing to me is the lack of Wikispace experience - there simply is not enough of it for me to trust you with the tools at this time. I agree that becoming an admin is a package deal - you would be expected to help out with backlogs in various areas, and I don't see that experience yet. 9 edits to AIV, none to RPP, no participation in ANI, and only 11 to RM, which is a huge part of history merging IMO. I would feel more comfortable in supporting you in the future if you had at least 1K edits in the Wikispace, especially in the areas I mentioned. [[User:ArcAngel|<span style='color: #ffb612;background-color: #1e1e1e;'><b>&nbsp;&nbsp;ArcAngel&nbsp;&nbsp;</b>]] [[User talk:ArcAngel|(talk)]] </span>) 10:56, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Oppose:''' After a thorough lookover of this candidate, the most concerning thing to me is the lack of Wikispace experience - there simply is not enough of it for me to trust you with the tools at this time. I agree that becoming an admin is a package deal - you would be expected to help out with backlogs in various areas, and I don't see that experience yet. 9 edits to AIV, none to RPP, no participation in ANI, and only 11 to RM, which is a huge part of history merging IMO. I would feel more comfortable in supporting you in the future if you had at least 1K edits in the Wikispace, especially in the areas I mentioned. [[User:ArcAngel|<span style='color: #ffb612;background-color: #1e1e1e;'><b>&nbsp;&nbsp;ArcAngel&nbsp;&nbsp;</b></span>]] [[User talk:ArcAngel|(talk)]] ) 10:56, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
#:"you would be expected to help out with backlogs in various areas, and I don't see that experience yet". Who would expect this? (This is a serious question, I'm genuinely curious.) [[User:Townlake|Townlake]] ([[User talk:Townlake|talk]]) 14:48, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
#:"you would be expected to help out with backlogs in various areas, and I don't see that experience yet". Who would expect this? (This is a serious question, I'm genuinely curious.) [[User:Townlake|Townlake]] ([[User talk:Townlake|talk]]) 14:48, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
#::Generally, his peers (meaning other editors). Now if Erik wishes to concentrate on one specific area, he should be forewarned that editors do sometimes go to admins directly (HJMitchell has experience with this) and they would expect action from said admin in whatever area they requested, so that's why he needs relevant experience in all areas of the mop. [[User:ArcAngel|<span style='color: #ffb612;background-color: #1e1e1e;'><b>&nbsp;&nbsp;ArcAngel&nbsp;&nbsp;</b>]] [[User talk:ArcAngel|(talk)]] </span>) 22:50, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
#::Generally, his peers (meaning other editors). Now if Erik wishes to concentrate on one specific area, he should be forewarned that editors do sometimes go to admins directly (HJMitchell has experience with this) and they would expect action from said admin in whatever area they requested, so that's why he needs relevant experience in all areas of the mop. [[User:ArcAngel|<span style='color: #ffb612;background-color: #1e1e1e;'><b>&nbsp;&nbsp;ArcAngel&nbsp;&nbsp;</b></span>]] [[User talk:ArcAngel|(talk)]] ) 22:50, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
#:::This is an RFA myth. Take it from someone that actually is an admin: very rarely do editors come to my talk page expecting me to use sysop tools for something specific, unless I've already done something similar. I don't dispute that others approach HJMitchell about things. This may be because he frequents various noticeboards or has met people through handling other issues or any number of other reasons. But I find the idea absurd that someone that spends all their time working on history merges would get approached to do, for example, a sockpuppet investigation. It ''is'' true that once someone has the tools, they have the technical ability, but maybe not the knowledge or experience, to do sockpuppet blocks. But that just boils down to another variation on the trust question. Do I trust him with the deletion tool to do history merges? Do I trust him to approach the other tools with caution and circumspection? I don't know the answers to those questions for this particular editor. However, I sincerely doubt people will suddenly expect him to use the full panoply of tools simply because a 'crat has sysopped him.--[[User:Chaser|Chaser]] ([[User talk:Chaser|talk]]) 05:22, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
#:History merges, in probably 99% of cases, are non-controversial technical fixes for copy & paste moves, there is virtually nothing for a non-admin to do regarding them; it's almost entirely unrelated to [[WP:RM]]. <span style="font-family:Broadway">[[User:Mr.Z-man|Mr.]][[User talk:Mr.Z-man|'''''Z-'''man'']]</span> 23:13, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
#:History merges, in probably 99% of cases, are non-controversial technical fixes for copy & paste moves, there is virtually nothing for a non-admin to do regarding them; it's almost entirely unrelated to [[WP:RM]]. <span style="font-family:Broadway">[[User:Mr.Z-man|Mr.]][[User talk:Mr.Z-man|'''''Z-'''man'']]</span> 23:13, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
# Regretfully '''Oppose'''. I'm sorry but with the number of edits you have made and given that you've only been editing Wikipedia seriously for a year I just don't think you have the necessary experience yet. I would suggest being re-nominated in a few months time.--[[User:5 albert square|5 albert square]] ([[User talk:5 albert square|talk]]) 01:32, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
# Regretfully '''Oppose'''. I'm sorry but with the number of edits you have made and given that you've only been editing Wikipedia seriously for a year I just don't think you have the necessary experience yet. I would suggest being re-nominated in a few months time.--[[User:5 albert square|5 albert square]] ([[User talk:5 albert square|talk]]) 01:32, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Oppose'''. Unfortunately. Per above. Concerns with experience. -'''[[User:Fastily|<span style='font-family: "Trebuchet MS"; color:#4B0082'><big>F</big><small>ASTILY</small></span>]]''' <sup><small>[[User talk:Fastily|<span style = 'color:#4B0082'>(TALK)</span>]]</small></sup> 02:55, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
# '''Oppose'''. Limited content contribution and collaboration with other editors. [[User:Axl|<span style="color:#808000;">'''Axl'''</span>]] <span style="color:#3CB371;">¤</span> [[User talk:Axl|<span style="color:#808000; font-size:smaller;">[Talk]</span>]] 09:24, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Oppose''' per experience. <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">[[User:Baseball Watcher|<span style="color:red;">'''Baseball'''</span>]][[User talk:Baseball Watcher|<span style="color:blue;">''' Watcher'''</span>]]</span> 20:41, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Oppose'''. I originally was supporting, but his answer to Question 9 makes me a bit leery about what he really can do as a sysop. [[User:Logan|Logan]] <sub>[[User_talk:Logan|Talk]]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Logan|Contributions]]</sup> 21:03, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
#:Logan can you be more descriptive here with what is actually wrong with question 9?, as I see it he stated he wants to help with a back log. Is that wrong? And non- admins cant perform page history merges so it would make sense there is no experinece. Am I missing something in the response Erik made to query 9?., Further details/reasoning behind the shift would be great thanks. [[User:Ottawa4ever|Ottawa4ever]] ([[User talk:Ottawa4ever|talk]]) 22:14, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
#::It's unfair to the candidate to oppose based on an answer where the candidate states he has no experience in history merging, when he needs the mop to perform that duty in the first place, so naturally he won't have any experience at it until he gets the mop. [[User:ArcAngel|<span style='color: #ffb612;background-color: #1e1e1e;'><b>&nbsp;&nbsp;ArcAngel&nbsp;&nbsp;</b></span>]] [[User talk:ArcAngel|(talk)]] ) 22:33, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Oppose''' user requests admin privs to help out with the backlog. There are plenty of backlogs that do not require admin tools that the user has not helped with. Therefore, I do not trust this user is simply requesting the rights to help with the backlog. Lack of mainspace edits. Lack of projectspace edits. Only 6 months of active contribs. Probably more, but that's more than enough to oppose. -[[User:Atmoz|Atmoz]] ([[User talk:Atmoz|talk]]) 23:31, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
#:Atmoz, thanks for considering this request and the time you have spent researching your decision. Despite ultimately only addressing part of your rationale here, I would like to point out that a large percentage of my edits were helping out at the new page patrol backlog. However, your point remains that most of my other editing is not backlog-driven ''per se''. I won't hazard a guess as to whether this will affect the amount of trust you put into my stated motivations for this RfA, and your other points may remain; I just wanted to clarify that one issue about my contribution history. Thanks, [[User:ErikHaugen|ErikHaugen]] <small>([[User talk:ErikHaugen|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ErikHaugen|contribs]])</small> 00:45, 10 February 2011 (UTC)


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::''Moved to Oppose'' Leaning </s>weak</s> oppose on policy literacy concerns, but that can <s>easily</s> swing around to support based off of question 6 <small><EDIT></small>and a strong portfolio of work.<small></EDIT></small> Also, six months of activity seems on the light side to me. [[User:Sven Manguard|<font color="207004"><big>'''S</big>ven <big>M</big>anguard'''</font>]] [[User talk:Sven Manguard|<small><font color="FCD116">'''Wha?'''</font></small>]] 02:22, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
::''Moved to Oppose'' Leaning </s>weak</s> oppose on policy literacy concerns, but that can <s>easily</s> swing around to support based off of question 6 <small><EDIT></small>and a strong portfolio of work.<small></EDIT></small> Also, six months of activity seems on the light side to me. [[User:Sven Manguard|<font color="207004">'''<big>S</big>ven <big>M</big>anguard'''</font>]] [[User talk:Sven Manguard|<small><font color="FCD116">'''Wha?'''</font></small>]] 02:22, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
:::I see 10-11 months of activity, but I'm not sure what you consider "active" [[User:Tofutwitch11|<span style='font-family: "Arial Black"; color:Teal'><big>T</big><small>ofutwitch11</small></span>]]''' <sup><small>[[User talk:Tofutwitch11|<font color="Orange">(T<small>ALK</small>)</font>]]</small></sup>''' 02:26, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
:::I see 10-11 months of activity, but I'm not sure what you consider "active" [[User:Tofutwitch11|<span style='font-family: "Arial Black"; color:Teal'><big>T</big><small>ofutwitch11</small></span>]]''' <sup><small>[[User talk:Tofutwitch11|<font color="Orange">(T<small>ALK</small>)</font>]]</small></sup>''' 02:26, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
::::Okay fine, I'm counting 2010/08 through 2011/01 as active. I'd even be willing to count 2010/06 (but not 2010/07) that's six to seven months. I'd like to see 12, will settle for 9 on an otherwise strong candidate, but if it's 6, it had better, IMO, be a very special case, like a longtime admin on Commons who wants the mop on Wikipedia to clear out the copy to commons backlog. I've changed my initial neutral to reflect that.
::::Okay fine, I'm counting 2010/08 through 2011/01 as active. I'd even be willing to count 2010/06 (but not 2010/07) that's six to seven months. I'd like to see 12, will settle for 9 on an otherwise strong candidate, but if it's 6, it had better, IMO, be a very special case, like a longtime admin on Commons who wants the mop on Wikipedia to clear out the copy to commons backlog. I've changed my initial neutral to reflect that.
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::<s>Pending answers to questions. [[User:Nakon|<font color="#C50">'''Nakon'''</font>]] 02:29, 3 February 2011 (UTC)</s>
::<s>Pending answers to questions. [[User:Nakon|<font color="#C50">'''Nakon'''</font>]] 02:29, 3 February 2011 (UTC)</s>
#'''Neutral''' The candidate has technically been a Wikipedian since 2005; however, during most of the first five years there were an average of 1 or 2 edits per month (usually punctuation or a wikilink). Really only highly active since the summer of 2010. There are also weaknesses in important administrative areas (e.g. vandal fighting). I see your heart in the right place, and would suggest mentoring, solidifying your credentials and trying again in 3-6 months.--[[User:Hokeman|Hokeman]] ([[User talk:Hokeman|talk]]) 05:59, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Neutral''' The candidate has technically been a Wikipedian since 2005; however, during most of the first five years there were an average of 1 or 2 edits per month (usually punctuation or a wikilink). Really only highly active since the summer of 2010. There are also weaknesses in important administrative areas (e.g. vandal fighting). I see your heart in the right place, and would suggest mentoring, solidifying your credentials and trying again in 3-6 months.--[[User:Hokeman|Hokeman]] ([[User talk:Hokeman|talk]]) 05:59, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Neutral''' Im not convinced on this one, my neutral can be summed up nicely with Hokeman's comments above. [[User:Ottawa4ever|Ottawa4ever]] ([[User talk:Ottawa4ever|talk]]) 10:36, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
#:<s>'''Neutral''' Im not convinced on this one, my neutral can be summed up nicely with Hokeman's comments above. [[User:Ottawa4ever|Ottawa4ever]] ([[User talk:Ottawa4ever|talk]]) 10:36, 3 February 2011 (UTC)</s> ''Moving to support''[[User:Ottawa4ever|Ottawa4ever]] ([[User talk:Ottawa4ever|talk]]) 14:06, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
#:<s>'''Neutral''' Long-term editor but very inactive until recently. Further evaluation required. --[[User:N5iln|Alan the Roving Ambassador]] ([[User talk:N5iln|talk]]) 15:39, 3 February 2011 (UTC)</s> ''Move to Oppose,'' with regrets. --[[User:N5iln|Alan the Roving Ambassador]] ([[User talk:N5iln|talk]]) 16:28, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
#:<s>'''Neutral''' Long-term editor but very inactive until recently. Further evaluation required. --[[User:N5iln|Alan the Roving Ambassador]] ([[User talk:N5iln|talk]]) 15:39, 3 February 2011 (UTC)</s> ''Move to Oppose,'' with regrets. --[[User:N5iln|Alan the Roving Ambassador]] ([[User talk:N5iln|talk]]) 16:28, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
#:<s>'''Neutral''' – Waiting for an answer to <span class="plainlinks">[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/ErikHaugen&action=historysubmit&diff=411848346&oldid=411843300 Question 12]</span>. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">— [[User:Fly by Night|<span style="font-family:Segoe print">'''''Fly by Night'''''</span>]] <font color="#000000">([[User talk:Fly by Night|<span style="font-family:Segoe print">talk</span>]])</font></span> 20:51, 3 February 2011 (UTC)</s> Move to oppose. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">— [[User:Fly by Night|<span style="font-family:Segoe print">'''''Fly by Night'''''</span>]] <font color="#000000">([[User talk:Fly by Night|<span style="font-family:Segoe print">talk</span>]])</font></span> 16:46, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
#:<s>'''Neutral''' – Waiting for an answer to <span class="plainlinks">[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/ErikHaugen&action=historysubmit&diff=411848346&oldid=411843300 Question 12]</span>. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">— [[User:Fly by Night|<span style="font-family:Segoe print">'''''Fly by Night'''''</span>]] <span style="color:#000000;">([[User talk:Fly by Night|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#000000;">talk</span>]])</span></span> 20:51, 3 February 2011 (UTC)</s> Move to oppose. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">— [[User:Fly by Night|<span style="font-family:Segoe print">'''''Fly by Night'''''</span>]] <span style="color:#000000;">([[User talk:Fly by Night|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#000000;">talk</span>]])</span></span> 16:46, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
#:<s>'''Neutral''' From what I've seen, the candidate looks reasonable, I certainly can't see any reason to oppose. However, I'm not seeing any significant content contributions, for example there is no correlation between top edited articles and top edited talk pages. I'm also not seeing any particular specialism besides 840 odd delete contributions and as I'm not an admin - I can't comment on that. As such, I can't see any strong reason to support. [[User Talk:Worm That Turned|<span style="text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em;"><font color="black">'''''Worm'''''</font></span>]] 10:04, 4 February 2011 (UTC)</s> ''Move to Support''
#:<s>'''Neutral''' From what I've seen, the candidate looks reasonable, I certainly can't see any reason to oppose. However, I'm not seeing any significant content contributions, for example there is no correlation between top edited articles and top edited talk pages. I'm also not seeing any particular specialism besides 840 odd delete contributions and as I'm not an admin - I can't comment on that. As such, I can't see any strong reason to support. [[User Talk:Worm That Turned|<span style="text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em;"><font color="black">'''''Worm'''''</font></span>]] 10:04, 4 February 2011 (UTC)</s> ''Move to Support''
#:<del>'''Neutral'''. Meh. Can't make up me mind :P The opposition raises valid points, but I can't say that is sufficient warrant either an oppose or support. Since this looks like it's going to pass, I wish you the best of luck as a sysop. -'''[[User:Fastily|<span style='font-family: "Trebuchet MS"; color:#4B0082'><big>F</big><small>ASTILY</small></span>]]''' <sup><small>[[User talk:Fastily|<span style = 'color:#4B0082'>(TALK)</span>]]</small></sup> 00:04, 5 February 2011 (UTC)</del><small> Move to oppose -'''[[User:Fastily|<span style='font-family: "Trebuchet MS"; color:#4B0082'><big>F</big><small>ASTILY</small></span>]]''' <sup><small>[[User talk:Fastily|<span style = 'color:#4B0082'>(TALK)</span>]]</small></sup> 02:54, 9 February 2011 (UTC)</small>
#:<del>'''Neutral'''. Meh. Can't make up me mind :P The opposition raises valid points, but I can't say that is sufficient warrant either an oppose or support. Since this looks like it's going to pass, I wish you the best of luck as a sysop. -'''[[User:Fastily|<span style='font-family: "Trebuchet MS"; color:#4B0082'><big>F</big><small>ASTILY</small></span>]]''' <sup><small>[[User talk:Fastily|<span style = 'color:#4B0082'>(TALK)</span>]]</small></sup> 00:04, 5 February 2011 (UTC)</del><small> Move to oppose -'''[[User:Fastily|<span style='font-family: "Trebuchet MS"; color:#4B0082'><big>F</big><small>ASTILY</small></span>]]''' <sup><small>[[User talk:Fastily|<span style = 'color:#4B0082'>(TALK)</span>]]</small></sup> 02:54, 9 February 2011 (UTC)</small>
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