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The Royal House of the Medieval Cholas has been disputed in This discussion. @Pikachu 9988 has suggested that the imperial Cholas originate from the Pottappi branch. This has been challenged by other users. This has been a subject of various edit wars on related articles. Reviving this discussion for consensus. SKAG123 (talk) 19:23, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Markos Botsaris

As this talk page shows, there has been an intractable debate on whether the subject should be described as Greek (or Albanian etc) and what spelling his name should have and connected questions. This RfC hopes to solve this issue. The issues are as follows:

How should the subject of the article be named?

Is the Albanian-language version of his name necessary or appropriate?
What prominence should be given to the Albanian-language version of his name?

Is it appropriate to describe him in the lead as Greek?

Jtrrs0 (talk) 12:23, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Reconquista

With regard to WP:Verifiability, WP:NPOV, and current academic consensus, should the article present the Reconquista as a matter of historical fact at face value or as historiographical narrative?

This has been a perennial discussion (such as here), and the article would benefit from some stabilizing, somewhat binding consensus. I am hoping for robust engagement with the latest scholarship and the most reliable sources. إيان (talk) 20:11, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Sir Charles Trevelyan, 1st Baronet

There is a question into the validity of a quote in the article

Sir Charles Trevelyan, 1st Baronet as shown in difference Special:Diff/1215143082. Edmund Patrick – confer 08:33, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Minneapolis

Should the Minneapolis article begin its first section with A) an overview of the Native Americans who lived in the area (as it does now) with the heading "Dakota homeland, city founded", or B) the first European to view the area that became Minneapolis (as it does in this version) under the heading "Dakota people, city founded"? -SusanLesch (talk) 23:15, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Sri Lanka Armed Forces

Should the following sentence be included after the heading Deployments in Peacekeeping Missions:

Sri Lankan peacekeepers have been embroiled in a child sex ring scandal in Haiti, with at least 134 soldiers being accused of sexually abusing nine children from 2004 to 2007.^[1]

? Robert McClenon (talk) 02:50, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Talk:1977 anti-Tamil pogrom

The last paragraph on the Presidential Commission of Inquiry currently reads:

Following his inquiry, Justice Sansoni submitted his report, which was known as the "Sansoni Report" to President Jayewardene in July 1980.^[2] The riots were explained in the Sansoni Report in terms of "Sinhalese reaction to Tamil separatist demands, terrorist acts committed in the name of separatism, and anti-Sinhalese statements allegedly made by Tamil politicians in the course of the 1977 general election campaign".^[3] The Sansoni Report has been criticized for pro-government bias,^[4]^[5]^[6]^[7] being hampered by political interference^[8]^[9]^[10] and for "victim blaming" Tamils.^[11]

One editor wants the last paragraph to be changed to the following, as he believes both the Kearney and Manogaran sources have "accepted" the reasons attributed by Sansoni for the riots, whereas other editors believe that those sources are merely summarising Sansoni's reasons, and are not personal approvals. Do you agree with the proposed change below?

Following his inquiry, Justice Sansoni submitted his report, which was known as the "Sansoni Report" to President Jayewardene in July 1980.^[2]
Over the years the Sansoni Report has been recived diffrent reviews. Robert N. Kearney found that the Sansoni Report explained the riots in terms of "Sinhalese reaction to Tamil separatist demands, terrorist acts committed in the name of separatism, and anti-Sinhalese statements allegedly made by Tamil politicians in the course of the 1977 general election campaign".^[3] According to Chelvadurai Manogaran, the Sansoni Report attributed many factors as the cause of the riots, including "TULFs anti-Sinhalese proganda advocating separatism, Sinhalese extremists' statements claiming that Tamils intended to wipe out the Sinhalese and acts of violence committed by the liberation Tigers". The immediate cause of the violence Manogaran finds is rumor of Sinhalese policemen been attacked in Jaffna by Tamil militants. He further states that due to the violance (in Augest 1977) and events that followed many Tamils both extreme and moderate were convinced the need to establish a separate state^[12]
The Sansoni Report has been criticized for pro-government bias by Rajan Hoole of the University Teachers for Human Rights^[13] and T. Sabaratnam in his biography of Velupillai Prabhakaran.^[14]

Oz346 (talk) 00:54, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Sri Lanka Armed Forces

The first sentence of the section on alleged war crimes in the Sri Lankan Civil War currently reads:

The Armed Forces along with the LTTE have been accused of committing war crimes during the war, particularly during the final stages. A panel of experts appointed by UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon to advise him on the issue of accountability with regard to any alleged violations of international human rights and humanitarian law during the final stages of the civil war found "credible allegations" which, if proven, indicated that war crimes and crimes against humanity were committed by the Sri Lankan Armed Forces and the LTTE, with most civilian casualties in the final phases of the war being blamed on Sri Lankan Army shelling, with the LTTE preventing the civilian from leaving as they used them as human shields and attempted to create an humanitarian crises.

Should the last phrase read:

A with most civilian casualties in the final phases of the war being blamed on indiscriminate Sri Lankan Army shelling and the LTTE being blamed for using civilians as a human buffer.

OR

B with the LTTE accused of significantly adding to the death toll in the final stages of the war, by using civilians as a human buffer and shooting civilians attempting to escape the conflict zone.

? Robert McClenon (talk) 23:06, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Mohamed Hadid

How should the place of birth of Mohamed Hadid be described? Prior RfC

Nazareth (now Israel)
Nazareth (Israel)
Nazareth (Palestine)

FortunateSons (talk) 08:15, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Russo-Ukrainian War

Should Belarus be listed in the infobox, and accordingly described in other parts of the article concerning the events since 24 January 2024: (a). no (as at present); (b) as supported by; (c) as a co-belligerent; (d) without qualification?

Robert McClenon (talk) 07:27, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Monarchy of Canada

Should it be mentioned in this article, that the Canadian monarch resides in the United Kingdom? GoodDay (talk) 21:37, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Talk:1948 Palestine war

Should we mention the exodus of Jews from Arab countries during and immediately after the war in the lede of this article? Alaexis_¿question? 23:05, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Bhagat Singh

Should the descriptor "charismatic" be used in the first lead paragraph, and if so, where? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:13, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Israel–Hamas war

In the lede, after the first casualty mentions, should we mention that some of the Israeli and Palestinian casualties were caused by friendly fire? If so, should we include this as a footnote or as direct text?

Specific wording would be determined through normal editing, but may be along the lines of:

For Israeli Casualties: This includes an unknown number killed by friendly fire or as a result of the Hannibal Directive
For Palestinian Casualties: This includes an unknown number killed by the approximately ten to twenty percent of militant rockets that fall short

04:07, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Talk:COVID-19 pandemic

Is Talk:COVID-19_pandemic#Current_consensus #14 still valid?. It says: "Do not mention the theory that the virus was accidentally leaked from a laboratory in the article. (May 2020)" Jtbobwaysf (talk) 21:02, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

^ "AP Investigation: UN troops lured kids into Haiti sex ring". AP News. 2017-04-12. Retrieved 2024-02-23.
^ ^a ^b Cite error: The named reference presidential commission was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
^ ^a ^b Kearney, Robert N. (March 1986). "Tension and Conflict in Sri Lanka". Current History. 85 (509): 110.
^ Hoole, Rajan (2001). "Chapter 2: Antecedents of July 1983 and the Foundations of Impunity". Sri Lanka: The Arrogance of Power : Myths, Decadence & Murder. University Teachers for Human Rights (Jaffna).
^ Sabaratnam, T. (23 November 2003). "Pirapaharan: Vol.1, Chap. 18 Tamils Lose Faith in Commissions". Ilankai Tamil Sangam.
^ Sivanayagam, S. (2005). Sri Lanka: Witness to History - A Journalist's Memoirs, 1930-2004. London: Sivayogam. p. 283. ISBN 978-0-9549647-0-2.
^ Manoharan, N. (2008). Democratic Dilemma: Ethnic Violence and Human Rights in Sri Lanka. New Delhi: Samskriti. p. 90. ISBN 9788187374503.
^ Amnesty International, June 11, 2009 Index Number: ASA 37/005/2009 Sri Lanka: Twenty years of make-believe. Sri Lanka’s Commissions of Inquiry, p.9, https://www.amnesty.org/en/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/asa370052009eng.pdf
^ Kishali Pinto Jayawardena, Sunday Times, Feb 17th 2008, Focus on Rights, Further reflections on commission inquiries and rights violations - Part Three, https://www.sundaytimes.lk/080217/Columns/focus.html
^ Kishali Pinto Jayawardena, Sunday Times, Oct 28th 2007, Discussing mock turtles and commissions of inquiry, https://www.sundaytimes.lk/080217/Columns/focus.html
^ de Silva, Premakumara; Haniffa, Farzana; Bastin, Rohan (2019), Ratuva, Steven (ed.), "Ethnicity and Violence in Sri Lanka: An Ethnohistorical Narrative", The Palgrave Handbook of Ethnicity, Singapore: Springer, p. 16, retrieved 2024-03-12
^ Manogaran, Chelvadurai (1987). Ethnic Conflict and Reconciliation in Sri Lanka. Honolulu: University of Hawaii Press. pp. 63–65. Retrieved 12 March 2024.
^ Hoole, Rajan (2001). "Chapter 2: Antecedents of July 1983 and the Foundations of Impunity". Sri Lanka: The Arrogance of Power : Myths, Decadence & Murder. University Teachers for Human Rights (Jaffna).
^ Sabaratnam, T. (23 November 2003). "Pirapaharan: Vol.1, Chap. 18 Tamils Lose Faith in Commissions". Ilankai Tamil Sangam.

[1] "AP Investigation: UN troops lured kids into Haiti sex ring". AP News. 2017-04-12. Retrieved 2024-02-23.

[presidential_commission-2] Cite error: The named reference presidential commission was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

[Kearney-3] Kearney, Robert N. (March 1986). "Tension and Conflict in Sri Lanka". Current History. 85 (509): 110.

[4] Hoole, Rajan (2001). "Chapter 2: Antecedents of July 1983 and the Foundations of Impunity". Sri Lanka: The Arrogance of Power : Myths, Decadence & Murder. University Teachers for Human Rights (Jaffna).

[5] Sabaratnam, T. (23 November 2003). "Pirapaharan: Vol.1, Chap. 18 Tamils Lose Faith in Commissions". Ilankai Tamil Sangam.

[6] Sivanayagam, S. (2005). Sri Lanka: Witness to History - A Journalist's Memoirs, 1930-2004. London: Sivayogam. p. 283. ISBN 978-0-9549647-0-2.

[7] Manoharan, N. (2008). Democratic Dilemma: Ethnic Violence and Human Rights in Sri Lanka. New Delhi: Samskriti. p. 90. ISBN 9788187374503.

[8] Amnesty International, June 11, 2009 Index Number: ASA 37/005/2009 Sri Lanka: Twenty years of make-believe. Sri Lanka’s Commissions of Inquiry, p.9, https://www.amnesty.org/en/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/asa370052009eng.pdf

[9] Kishali Pinto Jayawardena, Sunday Times, Feb 17th 2008, Focus on Rights, Further reflections on commission inquiries and rights violations - Part Three, https://www.sundaytimes.lk/080217/Columns/focus.html

[10] Kishali Pinto Jayawardena, Sunday Times, Oct 28th 2007, Discussing mock turtles and commissions of inquiry, https://www.sundaytimes.lk/080217/Columns/focus.html

[11] Silva, Premakumara; Haniffa, Farzana; Bastin, Rohan (2019), Ratuva, Steven (ed.), "Ethnicity and Violence in Sri Lanka: An Ethnohistorical Narrative", The Palgrave Handbook of Ethnicity, Singapore: Springer, p. 16, retrieved 2024-03-12

[Chelvadurai-12] Manogaran, Chelvadurai (1987). Ethnic Conflict and Reconciliation in Sri Lanka. Honolulu: University of Hawaii Press. pp. 63–65. Retrieved 12 March 2024.

[13] Hoole, Rajan (2001). "Chapter 2: Antecedents of July 1983 and the Foundations of Impunity". Sri Lanka: The Arrogance of Power : Myths, Decadence & Murder. University Teachers for Human Rights (Jaffna).

[14] Sabaratnam, T. (23 November 2003). "Pirapaharan: Vol.1, Chap. 18 Tamils Lose Faith in Commissions". Ilankai Tamil Sangam.

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