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:::::::::::::::::::::::::If you're referring to Islamic scholarship, a statistical survey of that kind would indeed be [[WP:OR|original research]]. No wikipedian is in a position to make any judgements or weightings for such sources. There are many academic books and journal articles, possibly in Arabic, Farsi, French, German, Italian, Turkish, etc, which are inaccessible and impossible to evaluate. Similarly the Shahmanah project[http://shahnama.caret.cam.ac.uk/new/jnama/page/] cannot be assessed by wikipedians, statistically or otherwise. Content is never based on statistical surveys of this kind: one good source can be enough. [[User:Mathsci|Mathsci]] ([[User talk:Mathsci|talk]]) 19:20, 4 December 2011 (UTC) |
:::::::::::::::::::::::::If you're referring to Islamic scholarship, a statistical survey of that kind would indeed be [[WP:OR|original research]]. No wikipedian is in a position to make any judgements or weightings for such sources. There are many academic books and journal articles, possibly in Arabic, Farsi, French, German, Italian, Turkish, etc, which are inaccessible and impossible to evaluate. Similarly the Shahmanah project[http://shahnama.caret.cam.ac.uk/new/jnama/page/] cannot be assessed by wikipedians, statistically or otherwise. Content is never based on statistical surveys of this kind: one good source can be enough. [[User:Mathsci|Mathsci]] ([[User talk:Mathsci|talk]]) 19:20, 4 December 2011 (UTC) |
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::::::::::::::::::::::::::How else can we look at our sources overall and see how they show images of Muhammad? Because looking at our sources overall to see what they do is exactly what we're trying to achieve here and what I'm saying. Unless you look at multiple sources and see what they do (and therefore make some level of statistical inference) I don't see how you can ever argue [[WP:DUE]] unless its blindly obvious. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] <[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]> 20:34, 4 December 2011 (UTC) |
::::::::::::::::::::::::::How else can we look at our sources overall and see how they show images of Muhammad? Because looking at our sources overall to see what they do is exactly what we're trying to achieve here and what I'm saying. Unless you look at multiple sources and see what they do (and therefore make some level of statistical inference) I don't see how you can ever argue [[WP:DUE]] unless its blindly obvious. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] <[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]> 20:34, 4 December 2011 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::::::::::::::::::That is a flawed argument and has always been a flawed argument though. We don't need to follow "what reliable sources do" in order to use images in this article. That is not how image usage has EVER worked on this project and it is not something that is going to be blindly adopted now just because you and Ludwigs are STILL harping about "offense to Muslim". And speaking of you two, I find it rather deplorable that there is edit-warring and badgering of other users going on on their talk page. Your comments on Alanscottwalker's talk page are without merit. [[User:Tarc|Tarc]] ([[User talk:Tarc|talk]]) 20:41, 4 December 2011 (UTC) |
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::::::::::::::::::::::well, even though it's not my ideal, I think there's more than enough consensus for this compromise position that you all worked out. I'm going to edit it back in. --[[User_talk:Ludwigs2|<span style="color:darkblue;font-weight:bold">Ludwigs</span><span style="color:green;font-weight:bold">2</span>]] 16:03, 4 December 2011 (UTC) |
::::::::::::::::::::::well, even though it's not my ideal, I think there's more than enough consensus for this compromise position that you all worked out. I'm going to edit it back in. --[[User_talk:Ludwigs2|<span style="color:darkblue;font-weight:bold">Ludwigs</span><span style="color:green;font-weight:bold">2</span>]] 16:03, 4 December 2011 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::::::::::::::And I will revert. There is also much support for retaining at least one of the "History of the World" images and perhaps one of the Ottoman. [[User:Alanscottwalker|Alanscottwalker]] ([[User talk:Alanscottwalker|talk]]) 16:16, 4 December 2011 (UTC) |
:::::::::::::::::::::::And I will revert. There is also much support for retaining at least one of the "History of the World" images and perhaps one of the Ottoman. [[User:Alanscottwalker|Alanscottwalker]] ([[User talk:Alanscottwalker|talk]]) 16:16, 4 December 2011 (UTC) |
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