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A welcome from SteveO

Hello, STSC, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions; I hope you like the place and decide to stay. We're glad to have you in our community! Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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Happy editing!

-- SteveO 21:44, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. Feel free to leave a message on my talk page if you need help with anything or simply wish to say hello.

London Meetup - January 12, 2008

Hi! There's going to be a London Wikipedia Meetup coming Saturday January 12, 2008. If you are interested in coming along take part in the discussion over at Wikipedia:Meetup/London7. The discussion is going on until tomorrow evening and the official location and time will be published at the same page late Thursday or early Friday. Hope to see you Saturday, Poeloq (talk) 03:10, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Invitation to Wikipedia meetup in London

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Date: 13:00 onwards, Sunday 10 August 2008

Venue: Penderel's Oak pub, Holborn WC1 map

More information: Wikipedia:Meetup/London 12


Hello,

I noticed that you have listed yourself as a Wikipedian in London, so I thought you might like to come to one of our monthly social meetups. The next one is going to be on Sunday 10 August, which might well be rather short notice, but if you can't come this time, we try to have one every second Sunday of the month.

If you haven't been before, these meetups are mainly casual social events for Wikipedia enthusiasts in which we chat about Wikipedia and any other topics we fancy. It's a great way to meet some very keen Wikipedians, but we'd also love for you to come along if you're interested in finding out more about Wikipedia, other Wikimedia projects, or other collaborative wiki projects too.

The location is a pub that is quite quiet and family friendly on a Sunday lunchtime, so hopefully younger Wikipedians will also feel welcome and safe. Alcohol consumption is certainly not required!

Although the meetups are popular, many UK-based editors still don't know about them. It would be great to welcome some fresh faces, so I hope you can come along.

Yours,

James F. (talk) 09:27, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please forgive the slightly impersonal mass-invite!

Request for Comment on Phoenix7777

If my memory serves, you've had issues with User:Phoenix7777 sabotaging your edits in Senkaku Islands dispute back at ~Sept 2010. I've filed a complaint about him to User:Magog_the_Ogre for his recent edit-warring. If you have anything to add, please post in that thread. Bobthefish2 (talk) 07:00, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just to let you know, User:Phoenix7777 has called into question of one of your edits, which he (unsurprisingly) reverted. Bobthefish2 (talk) 05:59, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Minor edits on Senkaku Islands dispute

While I think (I'm not certain) that I agree with your last 3 edits, I don't think all of them should be marked as "minor". The last one, in particular, removed a whole quotation from the article. Now, that quote, especially the way it was introduced, probably doesn't belong in the article, I don't think it's removal counts as minor. The reason I mention this is that marking the removal of so much text, even if justified, makes it seem like you're trying to "hide" your changes, thus increasing tensions on the pages. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:14, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kiyoshi Inoue

Please give some thought to my responses to your edits at Talk:Senkaku Islands#Kiyoshi Inoue. I hope you construe my comments as thoughtful, practical, and forward-looking. --Tenmei (talk) 07:49, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

October 2010

Please do not attack other editors, as you did here: User talk:Bobthefish2. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. this edit is not appropriate. Please edit it and remove the direct personal attack.  Chzz  ►  08:42, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see a major problem with that edit. "Evil" can have multiple interpretations. Since we don't edit the same pages, it's kind of weird that you'd stalk our talk pages and read what we write. That's considering nobody has filed any complaints on your talk pages. Bobthefish2 (talk) 09:17, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Motorcycle Accident

I'm not active on Wikipedia due to a recent motorcycle accident. STSC (talk) 06:12, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to learn about this -- best wishes for a speedy recovery. --Tenmei (talk) 15:24, 5 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tolstoy

In part, this is a follow-up to the problems you are helping to resolve at Senkaku Islands and Senkaku Islands dispute.

I wonder if you have previously stumbled across this quote?

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him. -- Leo Tolstoy, 1994

For me, this concept has resonance in a variety of Wikipedia settings. These sentences were introduced to me by someone interested in Metonymy and WP:Polling is not a substitute for discussion ≠ WP:Straw poll. Although I still haven't resolved what I think about the context, I do come back again and again to Tolstoy's words.

Perhaps these words might be usefully stored in the back of your mind? --Tenmei (talk) 15:24, 5 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

RfC Senkaku Islands

The RfC provides an opportunity for additional comment by other interested editors. Can you frame a constructive response to Bobthefish2 pivotal question: Even if the policy does not recommend the use of Senkaku/Diaoyu-style dual names, is our situation exceptional enough to make it a good solution?

In this RfC context, please consider an overview here? --Tenmei (talk) 06:43, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

London Wikimedia Fundraiser

Good evening! This is a friendly message from Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry, inviting you to the London Wikimedia Fundraising party on 19th December 2010, in approximately one week. This party is being held at an artistic London venue with room for approximately 300 people, and is being funded by Ed Saperia, a non-Wikipedian who has a reputation for holding exclusive events all over London. This year, he wants to help Wikipedia, and is subsidising a charity event for us. We're keen to get as many Wikimedians coming as possible, and we already have approximately 200 guests, including members of the press, and some mystery guests! More details can be found at http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/London - expect an Eigenharp, a mulled wine hot tub, a free hog roast, a haybale amphitheatre and more. If you're interested in coming - and we'd love to have you - please go to the ten.wikipedia page and follow the link to the Facebook event. Signing up on Facebook will add you to the party guestlist. Entry fee is a heavily subsidised £5 and entry is restricted to over 18s. It promises to be a 10th birthday party to remember! If you have any questions, please email me at chasemewiki at gmail.com.

Hope we'll see you there, (and apologies for the talk page spam) - Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 00:00, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Appeal

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Accept reason: Done. TNXMan 16:13, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Diaoyu Islands

Don't start a revert war with them. Those Japanese editors are very keen at being Wiki-lawyers and slamming users with "warnings". Let's just get the two pages locked so that they will move on and go mess with better-monitored pages like "Japan in World War II" and "Nanjing Massacre".

By the way, have you recovered from your motorcycle accident? Bobthefish2 (talk) 08:45, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Contribution Team cordially invites you to Imperial College London

All Hail The Muffin Nor does it taste nice... 11:43, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

RFC/U on Tenmei

As an editor who has interacted with User:Tenmei on the Senkaku Islands pages, I would like to inform you that I have filed a Request for comment on user conduct of Tenmei. You may read that RFC/U at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Tenmei, and are welcome to comment on it as explained at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/User conduct/Guidance2 once it has been certified. Qwyrxian (talk) 06:27, 2 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Formal mediation has been requested

Formal mediation of the dispute relating to Senkaku Islands has been requested. As an editor concerned in this dispute, you are invited to participate in the mediation. The process of mediation is voluntary and focuses exclusively on the content issues over which there is disagreement. For an explanation of what formal mediation is, see Wikipedia:Mediation Committee/Policy. Please now review the request page and the guide to formal mediation, and then, in the "party agreement" section, indicate whether you agree to participate. Discussion relating to the mediation request is welcome at the case talk page.

Message delivered by MediationBot (talk) on behalf of the Mediation Committee. 04:45, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hello STSC, From Senkaku chat

Yes, I like the way editors used a neutral Franco-English word Liancourt (Le Liancourt) to describe Dokdo (Korean) and Takeshima (Japanese), therefore since Japan is involved in an island dispute with Korea, in the same exact situation as Japan, I believe Pinnacle Island (English) can be used for Diaoyu (Chinese) and Senkaku (Japanese) using the Korea-Japan island dispute precedent. I mean, it's clearly bias towards Japan. Everything I bring up Diaoyu-Senkaku, I accidental call it by the Senkaku name because Wikipedia uses it! :-( It's tricky stuff, such a simple thing can dramatically influence the way people percieve the dispute. I thank you for your support and understanding, God bless you.Phead128 (talk) 05:20, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

POV title tag on SI dispute

You're joking, right? I liked the two previous edits you had, as I have no problem with the alternate name of the dispute, and I think using a general term is better than either specific term in the article body when we can avoid it. But adding and removing that tag is exactly what caused the edit war last time. Re-adding it less than a day after the protection was removed is essentially you continuing the edit war, and could easily be considered disruptive editing. Please, you know we're going to enter mediation on this issue. Couldn't you please consider taking off the tag so that the article doesn't get fully protected again? Qwyrxian (talk) 06:16, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Request for mediation accepted

This message is to inform you that a request for formal mediation of the dispute concerning Senkaku Islands, in which you were listed as a party, has been accepted by the Mediation Committee. Mediation of this dispute will begin within two weeks (once a mediator has been assigned to the case), so please add the case page to your watchlist.

The entirety of the above two pages (the MedCom policy and the guide to formal mediation) are also important reading for editors who are new to formal mediation. If you have any questions, please post them onto the case talk page, or contact the MedCom mailing list.

For the Mediation Committee, AGK [•] 15:14, 5 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
(Delivered by MediationBot, on behalf of the Mediation Committee.)

Followup question on NPOV tag on Senkaku Islands dispute

I and John Smith have asked for some clarification from you regarding the tag, and would like you to comment there. If you are saying that the tag must always remain so long as the title is "Senkaku Islands" (/dispute), then you have added the tag in bad faith. If consensus determines (as I believe it will, but who knows) that Senkaku Islands is the neutral English term (or determines that neutrality isn't the only thing we consider in naming things), then the tag must at that point. In my opinion, though, it's fine for the tag to stay on during mediation. Please clarify if you accept those terms on the article's talk page. Qwyrxian (talk) 10:18, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hello STSC, I have resumed the NPOV-Title tag on "Senkaku Islands dispute" page. In the talk page I left my reason including agreed on and supported what your interpretation about WP:NPOV for such a tag. Once the tag stays there, I'd like to join you for prepare more evidence to say the current name/title is POV one. Qwyrxian now has understood that the NPOV-Title tag should stay there. I understand what Xe worries regarding the tag. If a resolving result can come out of the mediation, the tag can be removed. The resolving result should have several possibilities including changing the current name, that depend on how strong will our evidence be. Thank you. --Lvhis (talk) 00:25, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please note the concern of John Smith and myself--we believe that, once mediation is finished, we will be able to show that the current title is neutral and is the correct title. We may not, I don't know; there's always more evidence and more arguments to be made. But, if we do, please accept that this will be the necessary "resolving result" needed to remove the tag. As others have said before, the tag may not be kept simply because you think it's POV; it can only be kept because there isn't a clear consensus that it is NPOV. Qwyrxian (talk) 00:49, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Pinnacle Islands

My personal feeling is that this name will not work (I also do not like it). Don't you think a dual name's better and a much more reasonable case to argue for? --Bobthefish2 (talk) 08:30, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, do you have an e-mail set up for Wikipedia? There are a few things I'd like to ask you. --Bobthefish2 (talk) 05:39, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi STSC, I am still working on that. I understand you feel some frustration there, but the objective facts and reliable sources exist, so don't give up easily please. Thanks.--Lvhis (talk) 01:18, 3 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Google search

Hi, about that poll I have not yet decided if I should choose one and which one I should choose if I ought to choose. I feel this long stand dispute has been with "penny-wise and pound-foolish" tricks which we need to avoid. I may agree more on Bob's vote and comment but also learned very helpful info from your comment in your vote about the Google Book and Google Scholar and agree with you on this point. A key point that that side argues for using the Japanese name is that name mostly used in English. To refute this point I have used Google Search not only for this Diaoyu Islands (Table3 there), but also let it be compared with the cases of Florence (Table2) and Liancourt Rocks (Table4). I think my argument has been quite strong. What's your thoughts and suggestions? Thanks.--Lvhis (talk) 05:29, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Tenmei

You should be careful about tinkering with his posts and edit-warring with John Smith's, Tenmei, and Phoenix7777 over it. Technically, it violates a common etiquette and can get you into trouble. It's much better to leave Tenmei's pointless posts lying around for authority figures to clean up. Personally, I opted to skip his posts unless it attracted an angry response from someone. --Bobthefish2 (talk) 09:36, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You should really refrain from openly targeting Tenmei. As you can see, the rest (especially Qwyrxian) had a history of launching WP:CIVIL crusades over much less pointed instances. I sometimes find that constructive opinions can be a better option. My personal preference is to offer wonderful praises and some occasional light-hearted jolly parodies. It is simply a more positive and socially agreeable alternative. --Bobthefish2 (talk) 16:56, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Seems like he decided to collapse a bunch of posts. Do you think these subtle jabs against Lvhis should be considered as WP:POKE and thus be collapsed? --Bobthefish2 (talk) 00:28, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Do you actually think he can't write English normally? --Bobthefish2 (talk) 02:08, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

He does seem to be very open to friendly suggestions. --Bobthefish2 (talk) 01:52, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Your comment at Wikipedia talk:Requests for mediation/Senkaku Islands

Your comment at Wikipedia talk:Requests for mediation/Senkaku Islands[1] "Your data are all wrong." is unproductive. If you have any reason to say so, it should be mentioned there. ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 11:42, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Diaoyu vs. Diaoyutai

There's a discussion about this [2]. It's pretty much the same stuff we talked about in the past, but I thought you might want to know about it in case you have something to add. --Bobthefish2 (talk) 01:58, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Do you understand his A B X Y argument? I don't. --Bobthefish2 (talk) 18:54, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, most certainly. It does appear to be an "act of desperation". --Bobthefish2 (talk) 03:15, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
ABF much? This isn't desperation, it's not wikilawyering. It's a legitimate concern arising out of fine details that appeared during mediation. I mean, look at it this way, assuming you knew nothing about the language--we're comparing one Japanese-origin name to four Chinese-origin names, and somehow that seems fair? When Phoenix7777 first raised the issue, it shocked me, and it suddenly seemed legitimately unfair. I get, upon thinking about it more, that it's a complex issue dealing with what exactly counts as a "name" and what counts as a spelling variation, further complicated by the fact that "spelling" means something radically different for an ideographic language from a syllabic language from an alphabetic language. Really, just try to assume that maybe when I raise issues I'm doing so for good faith reasons. Qwyrxian (talk) 04:14, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Damn, you guys are all talk-page stalkers. But rest assured, I have a pretty good idea of what I am talking about. You are also barking up the wrong tree because we weren't talking about you. --Bobthefish2 (talk) 04:34, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Of course I stalk all of your talk pages; that's why I assumed you do all of your serious collusion off wiki ;). While I know you were complaining about Phoenix, I figured I was lumped in because I was the one who raised it NCGN. Sometimes, the whole issue just makes me so tired; apologies if I sounded snippy. How about we take a hint from ex-Korean President Roh Moo-hyun, and, like he suggested for Sea of Japan, rename it to something totally different and new--see Sea of Japan naming dispute#Compromise names. How about "Islands of Eternal Peace"? Or "Let's All Stop Fighting Amongst Ourselves and Go After America, the Real Bad Guys Islands". That would be awesome. And then Japan and China could share the mineral/petrochemical/fishing rights together, and use the proceeds to hold Anti-American rallies every year. Qwyrxian (talk) 04:51, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The general idea is understood. It's just things can get fuzzy when some non-standard arguments are introduced.
You are right about the tiresomeness of this topic. I stuck around mostly because I don't like leaving things unfinished. In the end, the islands' sovereignty is not determined by WP's article name (but by how aggressive the PRC wants to be). --Bobthefish2 (talk) 05:01, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You two were using my talk page as a chatroom!
Maybe one day the PLAN (PLA Navy) would just send in the warships to settle the dispute once and for all. STSC (talk) 08:29, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Seems like xe is still at it. I don't think xe'd ever give up. Think you can come up with an RS that can short-cut us out of this? --Bobthefish2 (talk) 01:42, 15 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Daoud Bokhary

Please don't change your comments in an AfD debate after someone else has responded. If you must do so, strike out the part you are withdrawing and make clear what is new. Thank you. Cullen328 (talk) 01:41, 16 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

With all due respect to your point of view, I think that an editor's expressed opinions about a given article are very relevant when that editor argues in favor of deleting that article. That being said, I concede that the article may have been improved since you made those comments, and if your comments do not apply to the article in its current state, I apologize to you for my comments about them in the AfD debate. I bid you peace. Cullen328 (talk) 03:26, 16 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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