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List of Russian supercentenarians

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I am nominating this article for deletion because Russia is known for high exaggerated age claims. The only centenarians whose age has been considered "reasonable" were those that are better known, such as Sergey Nikolsky, or Boris Yefimov. We won't be able to truly identify the oldest person in Russia per person, again because of high exaggerated ages. There have only been very few reasonable ages. There has only been 1 verified supercentenarian from Russia, but he died over 40 years ago, the other 3 validated Russian natives died in a high income economy country. We need to hold off until more Russian supercentenarians become validated. --Nick Ornstein (talk) 02:33, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 11:35, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. -- Jclemens-public (talk) 17:19, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. -- Jclemens-public (talk) 17:19, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
• Comment The nomination points out the limitations of putting up a stand-alone list without sufficient context. Disputed claims are in themselves notable (List of disputed supercentenarian claimants and longevity claims), and as the nominator correctly points out, Russia and the Soviet Union were notorious for exaggerated reports of longevity, something that's very well documented. I think that rather than trying to lobby for this to be kept as is, it would make more sense for it to be converted to an article about disputes in Russia and the former USSR. That's just my two rubles worth. Mandsford 18:14, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Keep. The nomination is in error. Regardless of whether most Russian claims are verified or not, the article doesn't list them, so that is irrelevant. What is relevant is that "list of supercentenarians" articles are common (there's one for the UK, France, USA, Germany, etc.). This article contributes to answering people's questions, such as "are there Russian supercentenarians"?Ryoung122 21:07, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• Comment Why Russia? The Russian supercentenarians are already listed on List of oldest people by nation. There are already sections on the 115+ year old "exaggerated" pages that say why many people like to exaggerate their age. I am supporting a strong deletion on this article.

Then again, we could make a list of "Alleged Russian supercentenarian claimants", as in accordance with Brazilian supercentenarians, or I am thinking we could merge the two into one and title it "Alleged supercentenarian claimants by country". --Nick Ornstein (talk) 21:58, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• Very, very strong keep Why Russia? The Russian supercentenarians are already listed on List of oldest people by nation., says Nick. NO. There are already multiple Russian supercentenarians, including all those emigrants. It's VERY UNFAIR to dump aside cases like Lina von Veh. Just because an article is short compared to others of the same type doesn't mean it should be deleted. Khasako Dzugayev is the only 'verified' Russian without a complete deathdate. Otherwise, we have three validated supercentenarians of Russian descent. I really think the List of alleged Brazilian supercentenarians should be deleted, not this. In case you haven't noticed yet, the page is completely free of trashy claims and still able to get on with a humble four cases. Brendan (talk, contribs) 02:16, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
• Comment Then can we make List of Irish supercentenarians, List of Ecuadorian supercentenarians, and List of Barbadian supercentenarians? We aren't going to find the oldest person by year, which is essential to the pages such as this one (as of now, the Irish supercentenarians article can find oldest per year, but this is just an example). I support very, very, very, strong delete.

Do you want to help me in deleting the Brazilian supercentenarians article? --Nick Ornstein (talk) 02:35, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

I don't think either one should be deleted. They serve different purposes.76.17.118.157 (talk) 03:42, 9 November 2010 (UTC)