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Instructions

Using a DYK suggestion string (see below examples), list new suggestions in the candidate entries section below under the date the article was created or the expansion began (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the bottom. Any user may nominate a DYK suggestion; self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination. Every approved hook will appear on the main page.

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For a simplified version of these instructions, see User:Rjanag/Quick DYK.
For a step-by-step guide to filling out the {{NewDYKnom}} template, see Template:NewDYKnomination/guide.

Please use one of the strings below to post your DYK nomination, using the "author" and "nominator" fields to identify the users who should receive credit for their contributions if the hook is featured on the main page.

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Nominations

Older nominations

Articles created/expanded on June 13

Justice League Dark

• ... that as part of the DC Universe reboot, Justice League Dark has been launched featuring some of DC Comics' stranger, supernatural characters?

Created by Bennydigital (talk). Self nom at 16:26, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

• Still needs about 1,000 more characters of prose to be eligible (see criteria here). Do you think you can expand it some more? Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 18:11, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

• I think that's it expanded, although as more info comes out, I will be trying to keep this one spruced! Benny Digital ^{Speak Your Brains} 08:17, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

• It's quite close now! Just a little more prose and I think it could work. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 21:08, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

• I've added a little more and it's now bang on 1500 chars. I'm quite chuffed with that ;) Worm^TT · (talk) 14:35, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

• Phew! Cheers guys! Next time I'll count first, then nominate! Didn't wig that formatting etc.. wasn't included at first!Benny Digital ^{Speak Your Brains} 20:46, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Operation Longstep Benny Digital ^{Speak Your Brains} 20:51, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Good to go when ref tags are fixed (no space before, and always after, not before, punctuation). Also, consistent en dashes in the "Characters" sections, please. The hook barely passes the interest test. Tony (talk) 08:54, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
    • Bystander's comment: The requested wikification has happened in the mean time, without going beneath the 1500 character threshold. For an outsider, though, it is not easy to see why this comic should be notable. I guess the "age" of the characters plays a role there but it would be good to put a sentence in the lead explaining the comic's significance. --Pgallert (talk) 18:59, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
      • Bystander 2: I find it interesting. I am a comicbook fan, incling DC's and Marvel's. I am hooked. - AnakngAraw (talk) 03:11, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

• Dates are fine and length is just over the line (1501 characters!) but the hook fact is not clearly stated in the article nor is any part of the fragmented gook fact directly cited with an inline reference, as is required. I find the article of sufficient quality and the hook (once cited) to be of sufficient interest. It drew me in, at least. - Dravecky (talk) 12:27, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

• ALT 1 ... that as part of the DC Universe reboot, Justice League Dark has been launched featuring some of DC Comics more bizarre and supernatural characters?

I hope that is an improvement! Benny Digital ^{Speak Your Brains} 16:29, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 17

Evil Spirits Intellectualism and Logic

• ... that in his theological treatise Evil Spirits Intellectualism and Logic, the Louisiana clergyman L. L. Clover urges young men to steer clear of Hugh Hefner's Playboy philosophy?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 01:39, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• This article is based entirely on citations to the off-line text of the referenced treatise and to a single published piece discussing the work. The one cited published pieces is off-line and authored by Billy Hathorn, who is also the author of the Wikipedia article. According to the article, Hathorn's article was published in a Louisiana historical journal. This seems borderline to me on notability and COI issues, but the article meets DYK requirements concerning date of creation and length. I assume good faith on the part of Billy Hathorn in citing to his own published work, though I must say something feels questionable about about a Wikipedia editor basing a Wikipedia article on self-authored sources. Cbl62 (talk) 13:08, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• The additional rules for DYK state "D12: Multiple sources are generally preferred, though more leeway may be given for more obscure topics." This is clearly in that area, but the fact that it is an article based on entirely someone's own book is definitely putting into a new category. I'm inclined to say no go and as Cbl62 said, I'm not sure should be on Wikipedia at all. I am inclined to say no go to this. Marrante (talk) 12:29, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed All Saints Church, Maidstone

It has a link to a century that should be removed.

I didn't know what 'Playboy philosophy' meant. I see that the article doesn't suggest there is a 'Playboy philosophy'. It says Playboy magazine and its libertine philosophy. Can we come up with a different hook?

Lightmouse (talk) 14:18, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

ALT... that in his theological treatise Evil Spirits Intellectualism and Logic, the Louisiana clergyman L. L. Clover defines evolution as a hypothesis, a guess, with unbridgeable gaps? Billy Hathorn (talk) 17:11, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Better but the trend in DYK is to use only high value links in order to funnel readers. The target article should be the only link, sometimes supported by a second, and at a push a third.

ALT2... that in his theological treatise Evil Spirits Intellectualism and Logic, the Louisiana clergyman L. L. Clover defines evolution as a hypothesis, a guess, with unbridgeable gaps?

Lightmouse (talk) 08:30, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Fort Teremba

• ... that the Fort Teremba (pictured) in New Caledonia, was originally built as a military fort and a prison by convict labour, in 1871, at the request of the then Governor Gaultier Richerie?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 06:40, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

• Comment: Sorry for the delay of a few hours in posting this article.--Nvvchar. 06:44, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Aspen Community Church.--Nvvchar. 06:53, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

The article is based on travel guides. Please use more reliable sources for your articles/hooks. I do not mean to sound harsh, but this is a longstanding issue which must be fixed sooner or later. Materialscientist (talk) 06:25, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

No it isn't based on solely on travel guides, I see a range of sources. As for "using more reliable sources" I've addressed your issue with travel guides as non RS at here. I've just looked for further sources and found very few books other then French publications, a language I am far from fluent in. If I have a google translate assistance and using my dictionary I can proof read usually but you can't google translate google books.. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:39, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Douglas DC-7B N836D

• ... that a DC-7B that flew as an airliner for Eastern Air Lines from 1958 to 1965 has been restored and flies today carrying sightseeing passengers in Florida?

Created by Alexf (talk). Self nom at 09:32, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

• Date, length and reference verified, all checks out. Good to go. Calistemon (talk) 11:13, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

• Units check. There are many non-metric units that need conversions and format adjustments. Lightmouse (talk) 10:44, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

•  Done. -- Alexf^(talk) 14:19, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Although the conversion template was used extensively, an editor later removed the whole section as it is argued that technical specs belong with the aircraft type, not on individual aircraft, which makes this issue a moot point -- Alexf^(talk) 19:50, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. Confining the specs to the aircraft type is better. Thanks. Lightmouse (talk) 09:01, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Whoa! This article is sourced to the organization's own website, a blank page on another site, and a single article in a magazine listed as two separate sources by listing online and offline versions. With only a single reliable third-party source, notability is a real question here. - Dravecky (talk) 08:46, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Empty page has been removed from the article. Notability of the subject is not a concern. As the only restored and flying passenger-carrying DC-7 in the world, it is notable. If it is notable and interesting enough for a hook at DYK, I don't know and you guys will have to decide. -- Alexf^(talk) 19:06, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 18

James O. Rodgers, George D. Stillman, Joseph R. Swan, George B. Chadwick, Charles D. Rafferty, Jack Owsley, William F. Knox, John Field, and Art Howe

• ... that despite compiling a combined record of 127-11-10 and winning 7 national championships from 1899 to 1912, the Yale football team had 14 head coaches in those 14 years, including James O. Rodgers, George S. Stillman, Joseph R. Swan, George B. Chadwick, Charles D. Rafferty, Jack Owsley, William F. Knox, and John Field?

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 02:57, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• Please hold off on reviewing for a day. I still need to do my quid pro quo review. Cbl62 (talk) 02:59, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

* Reviewed A. K. Chettiar. See diff here. Cbl62 (talk) 07:37, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• Here's an alt hook that may draw more attention to the individual coach articles:

• ... that despite compiling a combined record of 127-11-10 and winning 7 national championships from 1899 to 1912, the Yale football team had 14 head coaches in those 14 years, including a lingerie manufacturer, "the phantom line cleaver", a manufacturer of machine guns, a victim of typhoid fever, a Harvard law student, the senior partner of Smith Barney & Co., the grandfather of a noted documentary filmmaker, the nephew of the U.S. Secretary of State, and the president of a historically black university? Cbl62 (talk) 19:28, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

A. K. Chettiar

• ... that Tamil writer A. K. Chettiar published his first magazine at the age of 20?

Created by Sodabottle (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 12:05, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

• Length and date check out fine. However, there is no in-line citation immediately after the hook fact. Also, it's unclear whether the hook fact is supposed to be supported by the reference cited at note 1 or note 2. The encyclopedia cited at note 1 does not support the fact, and the source cited at note 2 is off-line. Please clarify. Cbl62 (talk) 07:36, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• I have consulted Sodabottle and the refs for the hook are now in place. OCNative (talk) 01:49, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Units check It says 50,000 ft and 12,000 ft. These need conversions.

Hook check Can we find something that would be regarded as remarkable by Wikipedia readers?

Lightmouse (talk) 13:52, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• I've fixed the units. Regarding the hook, I think it is rather remarkable to be a magazine publisher at the age of 20. OCNative (talk) 09:33, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the fix to the units. School magazines are written by people up to the age of 20. Lightmouse (talk) 10:46, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

This wasn't a school magazine. OCNative (talk) 11:04, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Aha! If the Wikipedia reader can see that fact in the hook, it may indeed be remarkable to them. Lightmouse (talk) 14:23, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Reportedly haunted locations in Scotland

• ... that reportedly haunted locations in Scotland include a highway, a hotel, a castle, and an air force station?

• ALT1:... that reportedly haunted locations in Scotland include the burial place of a lawyer who tortured Presbyterians and a hotel where a woman committed suicide after her lover (a monk) was murdered?
• ALT2:... that reportedly haunted locations in Scotland include a tenement where Bubonic plague victims were quarantined and starved to death by local councilmen?

Created by RafikiSykes (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 10:49, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

• I sort of question the true reliability of these sources for the most part, but the original hook's air force station ref is a dead link.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:09, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• I have added a new ref from the Montrose Air Station Heritage Centre. OCNative (talk) 07:39, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• Please properly format all the inline citations with accessdate and publisher info and such.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 08:37, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• All refs now use appropriate wiki citation templates. OCNative (talk) 09:34, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• I don't believe ref 3 is a WP:RS. Cannot confirm whether 4, 5, 6, or 7 are a RS. 9 is a deadlink.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:47, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

• Good points by TTT. And can the pipe to "plague" be just to the real article title (more explicit)? Tony (talk) 03:50, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

• Refs added from the Los Angeles Times, The Scotsman, BBC News, and the Montrose Review. OCNative (talk) 08:59, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

David Rothenberg, Cassini periodical cicadas

David Rothenberg, who plays music with birds, whales, insects, etc., plays a clarinet with a starling watching.

• ... that a recent YouTube video shows interspecies musician David Rothenberg (shown here with a starling) playing jazz with cassini periodical cicadas, insects noted for their synchronized rhythm?

• Reviewed: Glas (book) ([1])

Created/expanded by Sharktopus (talk). Self nom at 16:58, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• I also reviewed Manchones (diff), since my hook has 2 articles, both of them short, fascinating, and so easy to read, Sharktopus said very hopefully. Sharktopus ^talk 16:58, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• I'm adding a "(shown here with a starling)" to the hook. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 22:09, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Kevin, sorry I forgot that. I am changing the hook so it doesn't have "shown" in it twice.

• ALT ... that musician David Rothenberg (shown here with a starling) appears in a YouTube video playing jazz with cassini periodical cicadas, insects noted for their synchronized rhythm?

How about:

• ALT2 ... that David Rothenberg has played music accompanied by birds and insects such as rhythmical cassini periodical cicadas?

Lightmouse (talk) 13:48, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

I prefer the first ALT, but thanks for coming up with something different. He has recorded music with lots of bird species and apparently also with humpback whales, beluga whales, etc.[2] The cicada craziness so far is just a YouTube. It is pretty funny to watch; frankly I think he would do better to duet with some recorded cicada chops than to try to keep playing as bugs swarm all over him. But maybe that's just me being unauthentic. Sharktopus ^talk 15:49, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I generally like ALT1 better (but he's not shown in the thumbnail with a starling ... huh? Later: oh, yes, I see it now against the dark-green background. Great when that's obvious. I wonder whether the pic can be tinkered with to bring this out Tony (talk) 08:41, 28 June 2011 (UTC)). Also, to be a nit-pickers, synchronisation is not the same as periodicity. All (male) cicadas display synchrony, don't they? Only some have complex periodicity. I'd also not mind if the fact he plays clarinet (is it?) were mentioned in the hook. Tony (talk) 03:55, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

• The article Cassini periodical cicadas makes it clear that synchronization is not used to mean periodicity in this hook. Cassini-type males (under ideal conditions) synchronize their species song, so that everybody chirps together, everybody is silent together, everybody flies together, etc., over and over, creating a vast rhythm sung by thousands of insects in unison, punctuated by mass flights (they don't sing when they fly) people have called "a giant game of musical chairs." The decim- and decula- type periodicals don't synchronize male songs. The YouTube video has the insects under unideal conditions, just making a big racket and flying around or perching on the musician. As for the clarinet, he does usually play the clarinet but he played saxophone in the video with the cicadas. Could somebody please review this submission? Sharktopus ^talk 09:55, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

SS Wandle (1932)

• ... that in World War II the Wandsworth and District Gas Company's flatiron collier SS Wandle fought off at least five enemy attacks and in 1942 survived having her bow blown off by a torpedo?

Created by Motacilla (talk). Self nom at 21:27, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

• Length, creation date, pass. Several offline references taken in good faith. Would have preferred hook reference to have been available for checking. Otherwise, good to go. Haruth (talk) 17:48, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• Self-nominator Motacilla still needs to do a review of another user's DYK nom. OCNative (talk) 05:58, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Is the image effective at this tiny size, as required by the DYK image rules? Tony (talk) 08:53, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

John Saunders (1949-), R v Chaytor

• ... that following a landmark decision of the United Kingdom's Supreme Court, the same judge passed sentence on each of the six politicians charged in relation to the 2009 Parliamentary expenses scandal?

• Reviewed: N/A

Created by Bob House 884 (talk). Self nom at 18:52, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

• There are 2 articles here, both written on June 18th. R v Chaytor is long enough and would be fine with a different hook. It does not refer to 6 defendants nor to the judge who presided over the trial and sentencing. John Saunders (1949-) does refer to them but I think it may be too short at 247 words of readable prose. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:45, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that in R v Chaytor the UK's Supreme Court paved the way for a number of politicians to be imprisoned for false accounting in the wake of the 2009 Parliamentary expenses scandal?

• • Ah, article name fails Rule F5: Dashes (WP:DASH). And it's in the main text at least once wrong and once right. Please see WP:MOSDASH. Use button under edit-box, or upload the dash script – for breaks and year ranges. Just paste: importScript("User:GregU/dashes.js"); into your vector.js file or monobook.js file. Expect the button at the same tab as the move-page. Instructions for script acquisition in general are here.

    I'm struggling for what might be unusual, or even improper, in the hook. Can you explain whether it's thought of as dodgy procedure for the same judge to do all of this? I fixed the "UK" repetition in the hook. This is the interesting bit in the article, isn't it? Hooky? "During these cases he was noted for strongly criticising the leaders of all three major parties for attacking the defendant MPs during the 2010 election campaign[9] and for allowing reporting of the proceedings via Twitter." Buzz me, I'm interested in making this good. Tony (talk) 09:00, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Owen Crowe

• ... that Owen Crowe has made four World Series of Poker final tables in the past four years and two top-100 main event finishes in the last three years?

• Reviewed: Reportedly haunted locations in Scotland

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 04:40, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• Date, length, and hook ref check out. Good to go.--Nvvchar. 08:00, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• Article OK; would be nice expanded further. Could you explain "in-the-money finishes" in the article? Is there a link? And kinder to the readers ... (two in 2005, two in 2009, ....). Specify US$ just the first time? It's specified fourth time onwards. We'd love a glossary of poker/card-playing terms. Have you thought of creating one? Please see Glossary of association football terms, which is coming along well. Tony (talk) 10:29, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

You mean like this one? Glossary of poker terms. I linked 'in the money' there. Regards, Bob House 884 (talk) 10:38, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

As Tony touched on, someone who is not familiar with all the poker terms will not get a whole lot out of this article. There is no personal history about the player himself, analysis on his playing techniques, etc, but rather just finishes and cash wins. Wouldn't expect as much information available as with someone like Daniel Negreanu maybe just a little on more than just placements and cashes. Calmer Waters 06:50, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• Bob, I'm delighted to find that glossary exists. Would you consider inserting some pics, as the Association football guys have done? These glossaries really deserve to be worked up to featured list noms, they are so valuable. Also, you might consider formatting on single lines as they've done. Up to you. TTT, the "(2005 – 2, 2008 – 2, 2009 – 2, 2010 – 2, 2011–2)" gobbledy is still there; any way this could be formatted in a kinder way to readers (especially non-experts)? Tony (talk) 09:06, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 19

Downtown Ossining Historic District

• ... that several fires and the construction of the Croton Aqueduct shaped the Downtown Ossining Historic District (section of area pictured) of New York?

• Reviewed: K computer ([3])

Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 17:38, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• The facts in the hook don't appear to be directly referenced anywhere in the article. Number 57 19:56, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

I have added a cite for this in the intro. Please remember to use {{DYKproblem}} to notify other nominators ... I didn't realize you had your concerns for two days. Daniel Case (talk) 19:28, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Centiloquium

• ... that of three astrological works called the Centiloquium, it is dubious that any of them was compiled by the individual whose name it carries?
  • Reviewed: V. Subbiah [4] Jheald (talk) 11:31, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Created by Jheald (talk). Self nom at 14:07, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

• ALT 1 ... that of three astrological works called the Centiloquium, ascribed to Ptolemy, al-Battani, and Hermes Trismegistus, it is dubious that any of them was compiled by the individual whose name it carries? Jheald (talk) 10:32, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• Date, length OK. On- and offline hook refs AGF. I think the hook works better with the names, but I suggest this rewording from a grammatical point of view:
• ALT2: ... that of three works on astrology called the Centiloquium, ascribed to Ptolemy, al-Battani, and Hermes Trismegistus, it is dubious whether any was compiled by the individual whose name it carries? Yoninah (talk) 22:37, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• (hook moved back from current Queues per concerns raised at WT:DYK#Centiloquium (currently at queue 4)) Calmer Waters 19:15, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Probably useful to quote that discussion in full, and centralise discussion here:

Not sure about the re-write by Tony while it was at Prep 3 (diff).

ALT 3 ... that it's dubious whether any of three works on astrology called the Centiloquium has been correctly ascribed to the authors—respectively Ptolemy, al-Battani, and Hermes Trismegistus?

The problem is that the new text makes it sound as if Ptolemy, al-Battani and Hermes Trismegistus were the true authors. But they were not. The point the hook is (was) trying to make is that although the texts have names that associate them with these authors, those associations are generally held to be false.

So suggest a re-think on this change. Jheald (talk) 17:19, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

You're quite right; sorry. Well spotted. Suggest this:

ALT 4 ... that it's dubious whether any of the ascribed authorship of the three works on astrology called the Centiloquium—to Ptolemy, al-Battani, and Hermes Trismegistus—is correct?

Tony (talk) 17:31, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• This article is problematic, and perhaps should not be used in its current form. This article deals with three different works, which happen to have the same or similar titles, which reflects a dictionary structure (by what something is called) rather than an encylopedia structure (by what something is); see WP:NOTDIC. This should be separated into three articles, which, from a quick reading, might be called Ptolemy's Centiloquium, Centiloquium of Hermes Trismegistus, and Bethem's Centiloquium (or De consuetudinibus), leaving Centiloquium as a disambiguation page. cmadler (talk) 18:57, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Response: The primary topic of the article is Ptolemy's Centiloquium, which generally gets the title of the Centiloquium, and was the one that was particularly highly regarded in the Middle Ages, in part due to its presumed authorship. The other two were much less significant historically, but are worth distinguishing in the article. They may also be worth considering together because they date from pretty much the same period, treat of essentially pretty similar subject matter -- 100 astrological "sayings", and were often placed together in medieval manuscripts, and were also printed together in the first Latin printed editions. So I don't think it's entirely inappropriate to treat them all together. Jheald (talk) 19:33, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I hope that sufficently addresses Cmadler's objection; but obviously that remains up for discussion and it's for consensus to decide.

As for the hooks, I personally prefer Alt 2 to Alt 4; but as I'm closer to Alt 2, I'm probably not someone best place to judge.

The problem, with both perhaps, is the word "ascribe", which could be taken to mean "correct current scholarly ascription" -- the reverse of the intended meaning in Alt 2; and not right in Alt 4 either. Suggestions for synonyms might be useful. Jheald (talk) 22:19, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Please accept my apologies for screwing up that wording in the prep room. It's a hard hook to express in a way that is not clunky; I still don't know how to do it. Good catch, Jheald. Tony (talk) 09:08, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

French India Socialist Party

• ... that once the French India Socialist Party adopted a pro-independence position in 1954, French authorities responded by opening corruption cases against its leaders?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 03:12, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

I reviewed Djadjaemankh. --Soman (talk) 18:20, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

• HOOK: Could we have a temporal anchor, like a decade? Haven't looked at the article. Tony (talk) 13:57, 20 June 2011 (UTC)(

• I've added "1954" to the hook now. --Soman (talk) 15:36, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Too Young the Hero

• ... that Too Young the Hero tells the true story of Calvin Graham (pictured), a combat-decorated hero who was the youngest US serviceman in World War II, later dishonorably discharged for lying about his age?

Created by BarkingMoon (talk). Self nom at 13:32, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Note: per Wikipedia:FILMPLOT#Plot plot summaries do not require a ref, but I've provided one. BarkingMoon (talk) 13:32, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Ihr Menschen, rühmet Gottes Liebe, BWV 167 BarkingMoon (talk) 13:32, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

date length off line ref AGF Jim Sweeney (talk) 14:51, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, hook is really good, article ok. Shocking story. I thought the plot was a bit fragmentary towards the end. This sentence sticks out, and could be removed or given a smoother ride: "An abusive guard forces him to scrub the floor with a brush on his 13th birthday." Tony (talk) 14:18, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

How about, for the article, not hook, "On his 13th birthday, Graham was forced by an abusive guard to scrub the floor with a toothbrush". ? BarkingMoon (talk) 22:16, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

It's not so much the wording of that sentence, but the lack of smooth connection between what comes before and after, which are both bigger-picture statements; it's like an aside. Perhaps if it was more thematically oriented ... um ... italicised ... "He is returned to the United States where he is mistaken for a deserter and spends three months in the brig, during which he is sexually assaulted by a drunken older sailor and, in a scene that drives home his vulnerability, an abusive guard forces him to scrub the floor with a brush on his 13th birthday. His sister finally has him released by threatening to go to the newspapers." It's a minor point, and I don't know the plot. Tony (talk) 16:39, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Ched has ce'd the article. BarkingMoon (talk) 00:34, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• Good work. Tony (talk) 09:32, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• Can the hook integrate the fact that he was 12 years old? That's the most remarkable part of the story.
  ALT1: ... that Too Young the Hero tells the true story of 12-year-old Calvin Graham (pictured), the youngest US serviceman in World War II and a combat-decorated hero later dishonorably discharged for lying about his age? OCNative (talk) 10:20, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Fien with me. BarkingMoon (talk) 17:12, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• The article is mostly a recap of what is already presented in the Calvin Graham article. at just over 1500 characters, there isn't currently enough new material, from what would be considered split from this article. Calmer Waters 08:53, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Ang Singsing ng Dalagang Marmol

• ... that Ang Singsing ng Dalagang Marmol is one of the first historical novels written in the Philippines during the first decade of the 20th century?

Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 03:02, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

• See my reviews all over this page.- AnakngAraw (talk) 03:03, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Please don't link chronological terms such as "20th century", and see MOSNUM for the numeral rule. I've fixed it in the hook. ARTICLE: I'm confused. "It is one of the first historical novels written during the first decade of the twentieth century." That's a global claim. The hook confines it to the Phillippines. Back to article: problem sentence "during the said period that was written using the technique of amalgamating fact and fiction" -> "during that period that blended fact and fiction ...". Unsure of the fix, but I know it's a problem as is. First time I knew there was a Filipino language and Tagalog. Tony (talk) 08:01, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• fixed in the article per your comments. May need assistance from you to improve hook and sentences. - AnakngAraw (talk) 11:23, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Regarding the "20th century" fact, it is in one of the refs (i.e. Filipiniana.net) and also in second ref. What's the better option to modify the hook? - AnakngAraw (talk) 11:33, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

ALT 1: ... that Ang Singsing ng Dalagang Marmol is one of the first historical novels written in the Philippines from 1900 to 1910?

ALT 2: ... that the Philippine novel Ang Singsing ng Dalagang Marmol is one of the first historical novels written from 1900 to 1910?

Providing ALTs 1 & 2. - AnakngAraw (talk) 23:52, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Aguamilpa Dam & Zimapán Dam

• ... that both the Aguamilpa and Zimapán Dams in Mexico were funded in part by the same World Bank loan and tower over 185 m (607 ft) in height?

• Reviewed: The Whole Beast: Nose to Tail Eating

Created/self-nom--NortyNort (Holla) 11:38, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Hook, references, time, and character count check out. I added a quote parameter to the two World Bank references. Albacore (talk) 14:53, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Which bit is extraordinary? The loan or the height? Lightmouse (talk) 12:24, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Well, the loan isn't but it ties the two together. Zimapán is quite extraordinary how it was engineered to fit in the entrance of a very steep valley. Wish I had a picture.--NortyNort (Holla) 12:52, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

I just noticed these were placed back here. Could you be a little more clear on your "unresolved question"?--NortyNort (Holla) 23:05, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 20

Planetary boundaries

• ... that planetary boundaries is a new Earth system framework which may be able to identify the safe operating space where sustainable development can occur?

5x expanded by Epipelagic (talk). Self nom at 01:21, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Tzeltal people ([5])
• Disputed accuracy. (See below for other complaints about the article.) — Arthur Rubin (talk) 04:36, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Where is there inaccuracy? --Epipelagic (talk) 05:59, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

I've reviewed the complaint and I've found no inaccuracy. The concept of planetary boundaries as a new Earth system framework is supported by the sources.[6][7][8][9][10] Unless Arthur Rubin has a specific criticism that is actionable, I don't see the substance of his complaint. Let's break it down:

• that planetary boundaries is a new Earth system framework

• Co-author Katherine Richardson, Professor at the Earth System Science Center at the University of Copenhagen: "What we now present is a novel framework through which our scientific understanding of the Earth System can potentially be used more directly in the societal decision making process."[11]
• "Our proposed framework builds on and extends approaches based on limits-to-growth (Meadows et al. 1972, 2004), safe minimum standards (Ciriacy-Wantrup 1952; Bishop 1978; Crowards 1998), the precautionary principle (Raffensperger and Tickner 1999) and tolerable windows (WBGU 1995; Petschel-Held et al. 1999) (see Supplementary Discussion 2). A key advance is that the planetary boundaries approach focuses on the biophysical processes of the Earth System that determine the self-regulating capacity of the planet."[12]
• "The framework presented is an attempt to look holistically at how humanity is stressing the entire Earth system."[13]
• "We have done a comprehensive search for these critical Earth System processes and their associated control variables (see Supplementary Methods 1)."[14]

• which may be able to identify the safe operating space where sustainable development can occur

• Co-author Jonathan Foley, Director of the Institute on the Environment at the University of Minnesota: "The researchers stress that their approach does not offer a complete road map for sustainable development, but does provide an important element by identifying critical planetary boundaries. “Within these boundaries, humanity has the flexibility to choose pathways for our future development and well-being. In essence, we are drawing the first - albeit very preliminary - map of our planet’s safe operating zones. And beyond the edges of the map, we don’t want to go. Our future research will consider ways in which society can develop within these boundaries – safely, sanely and sustainably."[15]
• "Our approach does not offer a roadmap for sustainable development; it merely provides, in the context of the human predicament in the Anthropocene, the first step by identifying biophysical boundaries at the planetary scale within which humanity has the flexibility to choose a myriad of pathways for human wellbeing and development. Further work will need to focus on the societal dynamics that have led to the current situation, and propose ways in which our societies can stay within these boundaries."[16]
• "In collaboration with partnering research institutions such as Stockholm Resilience Centre, we present novel research on the governance of earth systems and boundaries. New approaches are needed to help humanity deal with climate change and other global environmental threats that lie ahead in the 21st century. A group of 28 internationally renowned scientists propose that global biophysical boundaries, identified on the basis of the scientific understanding of the Earth System, can define a ‘safe planetary operating space´ that will allow humanity to continue to develop and thrive for generations to come. This new approach to sustainable development is conveyed in the coming issue of Nature where the scientists have made a first attempt to identify and quantify a set of nine planetary boundaries."[17][18][19]

Note, I've changed "earth" to "Earth" in the above hook. Viriditas (talk) 06:27, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

I've removed the unjustified link in the hook, and I still don't see notability established. I was willing to wait until Epipelagic finished his updates, before determining whether notability has been established, but the DYK nomination forced my hand. I was wrong; there are no obvious inaccuracies in the article, except for the claim that it's an established usage. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 08:07, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, that's not how it works. Your claim that notability has not been established is absurd and something you made up out of thin air because you are an admitted climate change skeptic. Please stop POV pushing. This subject has received notable coverage in the best scientific journals and its authors are leaders in the field. Your claim is not just absurd, it is patently false. Viriditas (talk) 08:27, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• Prior to expansion there were 2938 characters of prose, now there are 8021, so unfortunately it is short of 7000 characters before it could be included in DYK. (I checked with WP:DYKCHECK and tables and quotes are not included.) SmartSE (talk) 13:25, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Robert John Kerr

• ... that following a sectarian killing in Northern Ireland, the alleged gunmen – loyalist paramilitaries Robert John Kerr and Robin Jackson – went off to deliver a load of chickens?

• Reviewed: Windawski Canal}}

Created by Jeanne boleyn (talk). Self nom at 07:03, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• Source confirmed. But how about:

ALT1 ... that Irish loyalists Robert John Kerr and Robin Jackson went on to deliver a load of chickens after allegedly shooting a Catholic chemist? — the Man in Question (in question) 09:14, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• Robin Jackson was bold in ALT1. I assume this was an accident, as the article has not been expanded 5x recently, and I have unbolded it. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 11:01, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

I like ALT1; however, we should replace Irish loyalists with Northern Irish loyalists, seeing as both men were born in Northern Ireland and would have never been decribed as nor considered themselves Irish.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 12:05, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

ALT2 ... that Northern Irish loyalists Robert John Kerr and Robin Jackson went on to deliver a load of chickens after allegedly shooting a Catholic chemist?

Perfect. I much prefer this version; it's catchy and to the point.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:28, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Would others please take a look at this article? I have some very strong reservations about it. A brief look gives me the impression that the allegations (some of which are spoken of as fact in the article) come from the testimony of a single person, and that the pair was never charged, or even questioned in the killing. This may have been due to the extant political realities, as the article maintains, but our BLP policy also urges us to exercise caution when there are living relatives who might be affected by allegations in ambiguous cases. Besides, "allegedly shooting" just begs the question, speaks of it as if "allegedly" is a trivial qualification, when it's certainly anything but.  – OhioStandard (talk) 14:27, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't think BLP applies here, as "questionable material about dead people which has implications for their living relatives and friends, particularly in the case of recent deaths, should be removed promptly." I don't see the implications for the pair's living relatives. We wouldn't use BLP to reject a hook that said "... that Lee Harvey Oswald hid in the Texas Theatre after allegedly shooting John F. Kennedy?" when there is proper sourcing in the Oswald article. (Oswald's widow is still alive.) Oswald was never tried, and there are numerous John F. Kennedy assassination conspiracy theories. OCNative (talk) 14:48, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

I should point out that John Weir's allegations were accepted as credible and published in an Irish judiciary report (The 2003 Barron Report) which was the findings of an official investigation into the 1974 Dublin and Monaghan car bombings commissioned by Irish Supreme Court Justice Henry Barron. He concluded that Weir's evidence was overall credible. Mr. Justice Barron himself criticised the decision not to question either Kerr or Jackson.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:24, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, OC and Jeanne for your replies. Jeanne, I should disclose that my present knowledge of Kerr and Jackson comes only from the articles you wrote about them and from a limited review of the sources you cited in those two articles. Based on that, it's my guess that your hook could be correct in its implication that these two men were culpable in the murder of Strathearn, the Catholic chemist.

I'm nevertheless just very reluctant to use Wikipedia's voice to effectively accuse anyone of murder based almost exclusively on an affidavit ( not even court testimony ) of a person who was himself convicted for that same murder. And when the persons you suggest were responsible weren't formally accused or even questioned by police that just becomes impossible for me to accept.

I of course understand from your article on Kerr, that some prosecutorial and judicial authorities thought that any action against Kerr and Jackson would have been futile. They believed that the both the local police and various law-enforcement arms of the British government were in collusion with the pair, and with the group they belonged to, and that a genuine investigation would have been impossible for those reasons. Based on what I've read in your articles and in their cited sources, it appears that belief may very well have been correct.

Nevertheless, an informal assertion made by a prosecutor, and apparently supported by the opinion of one or more other officials, doesn't change my view: I just don't think we can properly accuse a person, living or dead, of murder based on such thin assertions, nor in the complete absence of any judicial process at all directed against them. I loathe police and governmental corruption as much as you do, I'm sure, but I don't think it's our role to compensate for such systemic deficits by acting as judge and jury ourselves in this instance, even if we sprinkle the hook and target articles with the mitigating word "allegedly". I'd probably feel differently about this if the allegations had been in any way formal, or even if they had been directly supported by some highly credible and wholly independent human rights organization on the order of Amnesty International or Human Rights Watch. But we don't have that here.

For these reasons, I'm going to go ahead and ask for additional opinions at BLPN. I'm still investigating, and as I learn more about this and about its historical context I'm also trying to prepare a concise orientation to the matter that editors who aren't very familiar with the Troubles can easily understand. It's even possible I'll change my mind as I learn more myself. But in the meantime I think it would be useful to solicit broader participation. If uninvolved editors at BLPN don't share any of the concerns I've raised here, I'll of course be glad to withdraw my objection.  – OhioStandard (talk) 07:20, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

An official Irish judiciary commission, conducted by Irish Supreme Court Justice, Barron, an international panel of inquiry,convened on behalf of the human rights group, the Pat Finucane Centre also supported Weir's affidavit. Besides I should point out that both Kerr and Jackson are dead, therefore BLP is not being directly violated. I used the word allegedly throughout all my articles. This judiciary report from the Irish Government should alleviate your concerns: The Barron Report 2003. pp.132-178; 255-261 Pages 255-261 deal directly with Kerr and Jackson's alleged involvement in the Strathearn killing. This other report might be of interest as well: The Cassel Report 2006--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:44, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

I did post to BLPN: You'll naturally want to post a reply there, and I'd of course welcome and encourage that. But might we agree to try to keep most of whatever subsequent discussion the two of us have about this in a single location, insofar as that's practical? On the Kerr talk page for example? This doesn't really seem the place for an ongoing discussion of that nature, and although I know it's not always possible, I think noticeboards like BLPN usually work best if the involved parties try to limit their comments there to initial statements, or at least to fairly brief ones. I think doing so tends to encourage participation from uninvolved editors.

Yes, I was aware of the deaths of Kerr and Jackson, and had reviewed the official report by retired Supreme Court Justice Henry Barron before I posted here or at BLPN, by the way. I'm sure I'm a very great deal less familiar with the Troubles than you are, but I'm not making these objections casually, either: I've spent around six to eight hours looking into this matter so far. I have yet to look at the Cassel Report, though, and will try to get to that soon. But let me know what you think about moving our own discussion to the article talk page.  – OhioStandard (talk) 11:53, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• I don't think we should be putting anyone allegedly did anything on our front page. I strongly oppose this DYK. Off2riorob (talk) 11:25, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Ohiostandard, I agree with your suggestion to move this disccussion over to Talk:Robert John Kerr.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:00, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

The Last Ringbearer

• ... that the translation of a Russian alternative retelling of Lord of the Rings into English, The Last Ringbearer, has been delayed by 10 years due to fears of litigation, and eventually published as a non-commercial ebook?

Created by Piotrus (talk). Self nom at 19:53, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• Edited hook slightly for English grammar. - Jmabel | Talk 00:48, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed #Royal Blue (pigeon)

• Length, hook refs and date verified. I'd suggest changing "eventually published" to the clearer "has now been published." Valenciano (talk) 21:10, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• Sure, I am fine with the change, if the reviewing admin wants to update the wording I am fine. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 22:28, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• The hook is too long at 220 characters. Can you shorten it to not more than 200 characters? —Bruce1ee^talk 10:29, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Die Elenden sollen essen, BWV 75

• ... that the first performance of Bach's cantata Die Elenden sollen essen, BWV 75, in the Nikolaikirche (pictured) started his cantata cycles for the liturgical year, "an artistic undertaking on the largest scale"?

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 13:06, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• reviewed: #Lincoln Theater (Los Angeles, California). I hope that the cantata can appear between 25 June and 1 July, around the Sunday it was written for. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:21, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• Date, length, hook ref verified. But the hook seems too wordy. How about:
• ALT1: ... that with his cantata Die Elenden sollen essen, BWV 75, performed in the Nikolaikirche (pictured) in 1723, Bach set himself a goal of composing a cantata for nearly every Sunday and church holiday? Yoninah (talk) 21:08, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• Thank you for your suggestion, lets work on it. It's saying too little in two respects: I bet his goal was not "almost" but all, he just didn't make it 100 %. Plus it sounds like for only one year, but he did it for 5, 3 survived. Perhaps we should not speculate about his goals. Btw, the Wolff quote was especially meant for Tony who advised me to read Wolff, not Dürr, smile.

ALT2: ... that Die Elenden sollen essen, BWV 75, performed in the Nikolaikirche (pictured) in 1723, was the first of Bach's cantatas for nearly every Sunday and church holiday for several years? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:57, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• Or the other way round (comment: the linked list will be improved until it appears, probably not 5*, but worth looking, on top of referencing the statement also):

ALT3: ... that Bach composed in Leipzig several cycles of cantatas for the Sundays and church holidays, starting with Die Elenden sollen essen, BWV 75, performed in the Nikolaikirche (pictured) in 1723. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:41, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks, I like ALT2. BTW, I found the words "almost every Sunday and church holiday" right in the source. Date, length, hook ref all verified. ALT2 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 11:01, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• The source - being an essay - uses that wording after "he wrote", not "... set himself a goal of composing". Too complicated to mention in a hook is the fact, that Leipzig observed quiet time for some Sundays in Advent and Lent, for some of those Sundays he had written a cantata before Leipzig. His goal may have been to compose a new work for all Leipzig occasions, but sometimes he used one of the earlier works instead, only rarely - and only later - compositions of others. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:39, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• What date should I put this under in the special occasion holding area? Yoninah (talk) 11:05, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• As suggested and approved, let it sit here, only move it to special occasions if nothing happens until next Wednesday. This is a new approach, both to avoid Christian Sunday (Tony again) and reach other readers, my goal, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:39, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Gottfried Schloemer

• ... that Gottfried Schloemer (pictured with car) was the designer of the world's first gasoline automobile as well as the first gasoline tractor?

Created by Doug Coldwell (talk). Self nom at 19:59, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

• Request first in queue with picture. thanks--Doug Coldwell ^talk 20:34, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
• Referenced in the book "Milwaukee, Volume 1", especially third column of page 12.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 20:39, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
• I Reviewed Pagurus samuelis (diff).--Doug Coldwell ^talk 20:53, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

• Article says Schloemer first installed an engine in a "motor wagon" in 1889; but Karl Benz built (and patented) the Benz Patent-Motorwagen in 1885. I'd also have more confidence in claims to "world firsts" if there were some references that showed any world recognition to such claims; i.e. a reference published outside Milwaukee, and preferably outside the United States, to show a world-wide view of the subject. Jheald (talk) 10:53, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• I can understand you concerns on this issue. I don't know exactly what the truth is. I'm just going on references. I understand Wikipedia's goal is not to present the truth about each topic but to present what is thought about each topic. I've given 9 references to show this in the lead. In addition under the Titles section the last one is also referenced. Also in this section is an image of Schloemer obituary. What you said I also said in the article to give a neutral point of view. It is a controversal point debated to this day. My article is based on references. because the truth may be had to get since it is a hotly contested issue. I believe the point is that I showed what was thought (by references) of this topic. The truth I'm afraid will never be known. The book "Milwaukee, Volume 1" has on page 12 the article titled Oldest Automobile in the World Made in Milwaukee was published by Milwaukee Association of Commerce in 1921. Both the issue of the first gasoline driven car and the first gasoline tractor can be found there, especially in the third column.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 11:28, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• I'm not prepared to pass this for our front page without references from outside Milwaukee. It's just too big a claim. See also History_of_the_automobile#Internal_combustion_engines. Jheald (talk) 11:36, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
• Incidentally, Tractor says that the first gasoline/petrol-powered tractor was built by John Froelich in 1892, which would be four years earlier than Schloemer's 1896 device. Jheald (talk) 11:50, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• I understand Wikipedia's goal is not to present the truth about each topic but to present what is thought about each topic. Could we get then another unbiased administrator to look at this as I am going on this statement of Wikipedia's goal.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 11:48, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• Our articles have to be supported by reliable sources, our front page even more so. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary sourcing, and I'm sorry, but I can't regard a local paper in Milwaukee as a world authority. I don't believe that in this instance the source is credible to be considered a WP:RS for this proposition.

  But if anybody else wants to jump in and give a second opinion, they're very welcome. Alternatively, you might make the hook something like "Milwaukee sources have called Schloemer the inventor of the world's first gasoline automobile"; though I'm not sure whether that kind of source-washing is permitted here. Jheald (talk) 11:59, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• (ec) I am with Jheald here. These facts are rather reliable, and the priority of Schloemer is based on local sources of the 1920s. It does not matter how many of those are added to the article. (Around the 19th century many European inventions were either overlooked or ignored in the US. You'll still find plenty of reliable sources claiming that, e.g., can opener is an American invention. And we had a similar debate on this page not long ago on recent local US sources claiming "the first" solar power station or nanotechnology institution, when it was quite obvious they were not.) Materialscientist (talk) 12:09, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

* Alt1 ... that Gottfried Schloemer (pictured with car) built in 1889 the first practical gasoline automobile in Wisconsin? --Doug Coldwell ^talk 14:55, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• ref: "The Wisconsin blue book" by Industrial Commission, pp. 121-122 Not only was the first practical gasoline-propelled automobile built in Wisconsin in 1889 by Gottfried Schloemer... </ref>

* Alt2 ... that Gottfried Schloemer (pictured with car) is the first person to drive a gas-propelled automobile in a floral parade.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 19:59, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• ref: "Milwaukee, Volume 1" (2nd column), Mr. Schloemer later drove the car, heading the first floral parade in which an automobile ever participated. --Doug Coldwell ^talk 19:59, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• • • I'd like to bow out here and leave these to someone else. However, one thing I would say is that I'm still concerned by the generally uncritical presentation of so much hyperbole in the article itself. I think an article ought to treat claims like this with a bit more critical distance, from the top down. Yes, there's a little four-line section tucked quite a long way down the article, but I don't think that's really sufficient in the face of such a blizzard of overstated claims. It wouldn't take much -- just a little shading to suggest that readers might approach the boosterish local sources somewhat critically; but I do think an adjustment of tone like that is required, if we're going to link this off our front page.

      But I'd really prefer if one of the more experienced regulars here could take this on now. The article is certainly interesting and quirky enough that, properly tweaked, it ought eventually to get that link. But I think it still needs a bit of shepherding to get it there, and, with regret, I'd prefer for that to be for somebody else to step up to and take on. Jheald (talk) 21:09, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Looks fine to me. Good work.♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:47, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

The article does need a cleanup for unreliable claims per the above comments. The sources supporting "the first" are not even notable enough to be mentioned (or criticized). It might be just my ignorance, but I don't see any remarkable fact in ALT2. Materialscientist (talk) 23:44, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

I've made some tweaks to the lead; though I still don't like the pile-up of citation links, which I believe is deprecated – could something be done to cosmetically improve this. Seems to me the hook should be something like:

• ALT 3 ... that Gottfried Schloemer (pictured with car) is said considered by some to have built the first practical gasoline automobile in the United States?

-- or would that be too weaselly ? Jheald (talk) 11:44, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Some say... that his carburettor was made of kerosene lamp wicks. And that he had to strike two points of steel every time he wanted a spark. All we know is, he's called the Schloemer.
(Sorry, wrong hook format. Jheald (talk) 12:59, 22 June 2011 (UTC))

Several sources (i.e. books, encyclopedias) show this and they are NOT associated with Wisconsin.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 12:53, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Okay, then can I suggest that when you make this claim in the lead, you cite it to just those non-Wisconsin sources, and that you put them together into a single cite (or at most a couple of cites) using <br /> to break the cite over various lines (see WP:CITEBUNDLE). You could then hang the colourful Wisconsin text quotes off another cite later in the article. But what we're trying to establish, when you first make this claim, is that it should be considered credible, because there are some authoritative sources that go along with it. Jheald (talk) 13:29, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

 Done --Doug Coldwell ^talk 19:52, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Operation Counter Punch

• ... that the 1957 NATO exercise Operation Counter Punch revealed deficiencies in the Integrated NATO Air Defense System?

Created by Marcd30319 (talk). Self nom at 17:57, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

• Self-nominator Marcd30319 still needs to do a review of another user's DYK nom. OCNative (talk) 05:36, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed the following new articles/article updates: Gustav (pigeon), Mtsamboro & Operation Turkey Buzzard.Marcd30319 (talk) 21:05, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed the following new article: Tikal Temple IV.Marcd30319 (talk) 18:14, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Communist Party of French India

• ... that in 1954 the Communist Party of French India formed a liberated commune in Thirubhuvanai, and formed a provisional government there?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 03:20, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

I reviewed Cock ale. --Soman (talk) 18:13, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

The reference seems to say that they liberated a commune in Thirubhuvanai, not that they liberated Thirubhuvanai and then formed a commune there. Not sure how to change the hook or if it matters. -IceCreamAntisocial (talk) 19:01, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

That's correct, I have reworded the article now. A suggestion for an ALT1 hook: "... that the activism of the Communist Party of French India in the 1954 independence struggle caught the attention of the New York Times, which warned of a possible communist take-over in the colony?"

--Soman (talk) 20:24, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 21

Antonio Ricardo

Title page of the Doctrine Christiana from 1584, the first book printed in South America ever

• ... that Antonio Ricardo became in 1584 the first printer ever in South America with the publication of the Doctrina Christiana (title page pictured), a book in Spanish, Quechua and Aymara?

Created by Fram (talk). Self nom at 11:17, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Mohammad Khalil Naik. Fram (talk) 11:24, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• Good to go. Saw hook fact in ref#3. - AnakngAraw (talk) 02:41, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Nice one. How about:

ALT1... that Antonio Ricardo published Doctrina Christiana in 1584 and became the first printer in South America

Plus picture, of course. Lightmouse (talk) 08:38, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Robert C. Snyder

• ... that the Louisiana Tech University English professor Robert C. Snyder played the leading role in the establishment of the public library in Lincoln Parish?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 01:21, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed List of accolades received by True Grit (2010 film)

Date and length verified. I don't think it's appropriate to quote Wikipedia in your hook. Parrot of Doom 06:40, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Correction made. Billy Hathorn (talk) 10:14, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

I love libraries but many other people find them dull. Biographies and libraries may have to work extra hard to interest a wide audience. Should this be a GA rather than a DYK? Lightmouse (talk) 10:57, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Mohammad Khalil Naik

• ... that in the 2002 Jammu & Kashmir assembly election the communist candidate Mohammad Khalil Naik won the Wachi seat with a margin of merely 80 votes?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 18:10, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

I reviewed Jeune Fille Endormie. --Soman (talk) 23:54, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reliable sources for hook, length is close but sufficient (and the text is not "padded" to make it longer, but pretty succinct, which I like), and the date of the article is also correct, so no problems with this one. Fram (talk) 11:24, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
• ALT 1: That in the 2002 elections to the Jammu and Kashmir Legislative Assembly, Communist Party of India (Marxist) candidate Mohammad Khalil Naik won the Wachi seat by just 80 votes? Neutrality^talk 04:43, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

I would be ok with ALT1. --Soman (talk) 14:17, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

List of accolades received by True Grit (2010 film)

• ... that Hailee Steinfeld, a star in the 2010 version of True Grit, is the 73rd performer nominated for an Academy Award in a screen debut?

Created by Crystal Clear x3 (talk). Self nom at 11:21, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, the hook is rather crappy =/ Crystal Clear x3 11:21, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

The hook is too long and unclear. Billy Hathorn (talk) 01:29, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

... that Hailee Steinfeld, who starred in the 2010 version of True Grit, is the 73rd performer nominated for an Academy Award in a screen debut? Billy Hathorn (talk) 01:29, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Billy Hathorn (talk) 12:57, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! That's much better Crystal Clear x3 01:52, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

what about who starred in rather than a star in? Calmer Waters 04:51, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

CFTR inhibitory factor

• ... that the CFTR inhibitory factor is a bacterially produced virulence factor capable of inducing cystic fibrosis (CF) like conditions in the lungs of a non-CF patient?

Created by Cdbahls (talk). Self nom at 17:05, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Sorry this is a little late, I'm new to wikipedia. This is my first article and DKY. I'd definitely appreciate any feedback or suggestions on my entry as well. Thanks! Cdbahls (talk) 17:05, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 22

Fee-for-service

• ... that in health care, a fee-for-service model encourages overutilization, which are treatments of inappropriately high volume or cost?

5x expanded by Jesanj (talk). Self nom at 22:19, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• That second comma does not belong there. Should it be replaced by "and" or "of"? -IceCreamAntisocial (talk) 00:19, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

• I put "which are" because the end of the sentence defines overutilization. I have a draft (User:Jesanj/Overutilization) that I plan on getting online so it can be a double DYK. Jesanj (talk) 01:43, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

The Dominica Museum

• ... that The Dominica Museum in Roseau contains an example of the pwi pwi, a miniature raft native to Dominica?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 11:23, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• checked WP:WIADYK and no issues. But: "pwi pwi" or "Pwi pwi"? Not sure about this...

Reviewed: Ang mga Anak Dalita. I used all the sources I could find on this topic, mostly travel guides and found only additional forms of sources that are actually available. Each seems to verifiy much that each says, like it dated to 1810 etc, so should be considered reliable. Much of the description is based on a video of the museum. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:29, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Union (Hungarian-German trade union council)

• ... that Union, a Hungarian-German trade union council, had substantial following amongst agricultural labourers in southwestern Slovakia after the First World War?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 20:34, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

I reviewed University of New Mexico Art Museum. --Soman (talk) 01:30, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• BUT! Soman, consider doing the refs slightly differently. You have eight footnotes, six of which go to the same book, and one of which (no. 7 in the current version) with a rather incomplete citation. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 20:07, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Charles Franklin Hildebrand

• ... that journalist Charles Franklin Hildebrand wrote 104 columns on the history of Jeff Davis Parish, Louisiana, published collectively under the title As I Remember?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 02:09, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Hugo Friend

Newness verified, hook ref is an offline source, accepting in good faith. Just kindly verify the length. Thanks. - AnakngAraw (talk) 04:28, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

It is on-line; 5,087 bytes. Billy Hathorn (talk) 17:18, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Cherry Hill Farmouse

• ... that American poet James Whitcomb Riley included in some of his poems the Cherry Hill Farmhouse (pictured) in Falls Church, Virginia?

Created by Divide et Impera (talk). Self nom at 23:41, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• Length, nominator, timing all good. Checked the hook against the article and source, all good. However, the rules require you to review one article for every one you nominate. Please review an aritcle, or if you already have, tell me which one.--Wehwalt (talk) 01:50, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

• Based on Wehwalt's approval of the date, length, refs, and hook, this is ready to go for DYK. The review rule does not apply until a user has received five DYK credits, so as this is only Divide et Impera's second DYK, a review is encouraged but not required. OCNative (talk) 04:14, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

• style guide breach: please don't link common country names, either in the hook or the article. Tony (talk) 08:43, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
• The delete vote icon is to be used when "Article is either completely ineligible, or else requires considerable work before becoming eligible". Is that what you are saying? I should add I've removed the pipe you queried.--Wehwalt (talk) 11:03, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Whoa, removed an incorrect comma from the hook. BTW, the syntax of that hook ("included in some of his poems") is far from pretty. Can we get a nicer hook? "... that the Cherry Hill Farmhouse (pictured) in Falls Church, Virginia, inhabits (Yes, that's the joke.) the work of American poet James Whitcomb Riley? Drmies (talk) 03:24, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Fanny Allen

• ... that Fanny Allen, the daughter of American Revolution patriot Ethan Allen, attributed her conversion to Catholicism to supernatural experiences?

• Reviewed: Eastcote House Gardens ([20])
• Comment: Note that the article went from 318 words as of this revision on June 21, 2011 to 1642 words at present (5.16 times expansion). Original creator was DLaub (talk · contribs) on 3 April 2006. — AlekJDS ^talk 23:07, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

5x expanded by Alekjds (talk). Self nom at 23:07, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• length, hook and referencing check out. Ironholds (talk) 12:10, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

(Aside: I thought a conversion to Catholicism was a supernatural experience.) The pipe in the hook is deceptive, and actually removes important information from the text. I presume the link is in the article; American Revolution better visible in the hook. But isn't the opening sentence of the article more hooky?

ALT1 ... that Fanny Allen, the daughter of American Revolution patriot Ethan Allen, was the first New England woman to become a Catholic nun." Tony (talk) 08:57, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Sure, that'll do just fine. — AlekJDS ^talk 06:16, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Phacelia argillacea

• ... that the American wildflower clay phacelia (pictured) is "one of Utah's most endangered species" and "one of the nation's rarest plants"?

• Reviewed: Nils Collett Vogt

Created by IceCreamAntisocial (talk). Self nom at 22:30, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• Size, date and hook all OK. Simon Burchell (talk) 10:31, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Excellent article. Hook good, but would you consider losing the quotation marks, which are a bit clunky? I don't think they're necessary here, since the statements are not very "ownable" by a particular source (even if you quote-mark them in the article, in attribution). Another possible hook could concern "One plant can produce up to 8000 seeds.", but I think your original is good anyway. Tony (talk) 09:02, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

I agree the quotation marks are clunky. I'd like to go without them if that is really appropriate. I just left them in because the quotes are word-for-word. Feel free to change it. Thanks. -IceCreamAntisocial (talk) 12:59, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Eastcote House Gardens

• ... that the coach house, dovecote and the Eastcote House Gardens (pictured) are all that remain of the 16th-century Eastcote House?

• Reviewed: Såner Station

Created by Harrison49 (talk). Self nom at 22:09, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• Date, hook, and size all check out. Citation for the hook accepted in good faith as an offline source. A neat and nicely-cited new article. — AlekJDS ^talk 23:00, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Operation Turkey Buzzard

• ... that in 1943, Horsa gliders were towed 3,200 miles (5,100 km) from England to Tunisia during Operation Turkey Buzzard?

ALT1

• ... that in 1943, Horsa gliders were towed 3,200 miles (5,100 km) from England to Tunisia during Operation Turkey Buzzard without knowing whether this would be possible?

Self nom Jim Sweeney (talk) 08:08, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

reviewed Baddam Yella Reddy 21 June list

Article length and organization are good. References are good, except one (Shannon) was not cited in article notes. Hook is burried in Mission section of the article, which is okay, but suggest moving this into lead paragraph. Hook's reference in unfamiliar to reviewer, but assume good faith on the article's creator. An interesting article about a relatively obscure military event from the Second World War.Marcd30319 (talk) 13:32, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Shannon is ref 9, the distance covered has been added into the lede thanks for the review. Jim Sweeney (talk) 17:37, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

- This article is good to go.Marcd30319 (talk) 20:23, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

ARTICLE: The map at the top of the article is a bit weird. I mean, it's just a map of Western Europe and North Africa. F5 Dashes (WP:DASH): see spacing rule for full dates (infobox). Great pics, but why not make them 240px? And please consider right-side only. HOOK: Why not add ", without knowing whether this would be possible"? Tony (talk) 12:21, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Sony Esteus

• ... that journalist Sony Esteus had his arm broken by the Port-au-Prince police while covering a story?

• Reviewed: Artie Schroeck ([21])

Created by Khazar (talk). Self nom at 04:45, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• Length, date, and hook verified. The citation for the hook is a reliable source and matches the hook's content. Cunard (talk) 06:30, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Hook and article good. Please fix the ref-tag madness: 2,2,3,4,4,4,4,4,4,4, sentence after sentence. This is not standard practice and will irritate many readers. You might consider adding "According to the 'American Watch Committee', .....", with one [4] at the end of the paragraph. It's all a continuous sequence of factual claims in a narrative. Tony (talk) 08:41, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

I've condensed the 4s per your request, though left a citation on the sentence the hook directly refers to, as I think DYK rules require. (this can be removed post-main page if necessary). There's only 2 of the 2s so I left both, as the reader might not connect those two claims. The single 3 I left in. Even though that fact could be sourced through America Watch, I think it's worth adding the ref to a second reliable source that backs up this story to potentially link a reader to more information. Cheers -- Khazar (talk) 04:50, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Backyard Monsters

• ... that the real-time strategy game Backyard Monsters has nearly 4.6 million monthly players?

• ALT1:... that players in the real-time strategy game Backyard Monsters focus on defending the "Town Hall" from enemies?
• ALT2:... that Gamezebo wrote that the real-time strategy game Backyard Monsters "boils an often-complicated genre down to its simplest, most fun basics"?

Created by Σ (talk). Self nom at 00:26, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• What makes Facebook a reliable source? --Eisfbnore ^talk 01:57, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• It's a Facebook game, and the references include secondary sources. --The Σ ^talk_contribs 03:23, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• Having reviewed the article, I agree with Eisfbnore (talk · contribs) that Facebook is not a reliable source. Owing to Wikipedia:Notability and Wikipedia:Verifiability concerns after a closer look at the references, I have nominated the page for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Backyard Monsters. Cunard (talk) 06:24, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• Per Additional rule D5, let us hold off on final judgement until completion of the AfD process. OCNative (talk) 06:28, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Herlinatiens

• ... that Herlinatiens' first novel about lesbian relationships is considered the "coming out" for Indonesian writings about gays and lesbians?

Created by Sinukarta (talk), Bgwhite (talk). Self nom at 05:47, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• Currently nominated for deletion here. —Bruce1ee^talk 09:06, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 23

Maurice Fargues

• ... that Maurice Fargues was the first diver to die while using an aqua-lung?

• ALT1:... that Maurice Fargues once saved the lives of the aqua-lung pioneers Jacques Cousteau and Frédéric Dumas?
• Reviewed: List of fastest production motorcycles ([22])

Created by Gildir (talk). Nominated by Obsidian Soul (talk) at 16:01, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• New enough, long enough, hooks (either one) accepted in good faith. Acdixon ^{(talk • contribs • count)} 20:23, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Henry Louis Larsen

• ... that USMC Lieutenant General Henry Louis Larsen was Governor of American Samoa and Governor of Guam after his father-in-law and brother-in-law were each Governor of Colorado?

Created by Scapler (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 11:46, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Mount Ida Plantation

• ... that Mount Ida Plantation (ruins pictured) in Talladega County, Alabama burned to the ground after being struck by lightning?

Created by Cougar6 (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 11:54, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Hook length, article length, and date ok. AGF for offline source. How about page #'s for refs 2 & 3? Sasata (talk) 15:43, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Full inline cites with page numbers now added. Altairisfar (talk) 20:09, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Slovak Social Democratic Party of the Kingdom of Hungary

• ... that the Slovak Social Democrats founded their own party in 1905, but merged back into the Hungarian Social Democratic Party after a few months due to economic problems?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 01:04, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

I reviewed Fort Young Hotel. --Soman (talk) 01:41, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed with passing score. - AnakngAraw (talk) 22:37, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

UVF Mid-Ulster Brigade

• ... that the illegal loyalist paramilitary group, the UVF Mid-Ulster Brigade, was founded in 1972 by Billy Hanna, a decorated war hero?

Created by Jeanne boleyn (talk). Self nom at 08:39, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed St Mary de Crypt Church--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:44, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• Good to go. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 10:09, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

St Mary de Crypt Church

• ... that St Mary de Crypt Church (pictured) was an ammunition factory during the First English Civil War?

Created by Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 03:24, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Length, and source for hook both check out. Looks good to go!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:42, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Hook is excellent. Article ... wouldn't want to be any shorter. Is there a way of preventing the word "church" occurring four times in the first sentence and seven times in the first three sentences? (Anglican? Building?) I'd have thought the semicircular seat would make a better pic. Tony (talk) 12:05, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Robert H. Johnson

• ... that during World War II, Wyoming State Senator Robert H. Johnson flew bombing missions to support the French Resistance to the Nazis?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:11, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed: Bruce T. Halle Library

• The hook was a bit inaccurate - he flew on behalf of the United States, but in support of the French Resistance - so I've amended it accordingly. Now good to go. Prioryman (talk) 07:53, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Hook good, but several links seem rather dilutionary (I've tampered). Article: please see WP:OVERLINK. Plus [[Wikipedia:Did_you_know/Additional_rules|F5 Dashes (WP:DASH)]], F6 WP:MOSNUM, including the "figures or words" guidelines and the date-autoformatting thing.]] Possibly add ", and" to the section title. Tony (talk) 12:13, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

I find the word future requires an extra bit of logical thought when used about a past event. How about:

Alt1... Wyoming State Senator Robert H. Johnson flew bombing missions during the Second World War in support of the French Resistance?

Lightmouse (talk) 14:24, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Hook rewritten Billy Hathorn (talk) 00:56, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I like that better. Can we increase the funnel effect by reducing the number of non-target links? Lightmouse (talk) 08:20, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Because this is a fast moving page, I can't see what you did. It'd be much better if this were done like FAC. Which of the hooks are you proposing? Lightmouse (talk) 08:41, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Revised hook:

• ... that during World War II, Wyoming State Senator Robert H. Johnson flew bombing missions to support the French Resistance to the Nazis? Billy Hathorn (talk) 16:23, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Better as "... the French Resistance against the Nazis", I think. "To" doesn't really work in that context. Prioryman (talk) 20:42, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

How about: "in support of the French Resistance against the Nazis?"? Manxruler (talk) 21:24, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Bruce T. Halle Library

• ... that the Bruce T. Halle Library (pictured) is the only library at Eastern Michigan University?

• ALT1:... that though located on the Eastern Michigan University campus, the Bruce T. Halle Library (pictured) houses one of the largest collections of children's literature in the United States?

Created by Pwojdacz (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 01:41, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• ALT OK; the original hook is too short and says little. Billy Hathorn (talk) 03:16, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Units check It says 270,000 square feet. This needs a metric value. Lightmouse (talk) 09:01, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• Done. I also put in the conversion for the 1.5 miles figure too. Thanks for pointing that out! OCNative (talk) 09:13, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks. I changed Size 1 Million + to 'Over 1 million books'. The term '1 million' should be lower case. Plus I initially thought 'size' refered to area so I added 'books' to make it explicit. Lightmouse (talk) 10:54, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• Please note the style guides: common country names shouldn't be linked unless there's a particular reason to do so. ALT1 much better. Article good, but suggest spelling out "ARC" in the subtitle. Got any inside pics (not that they're essential)? Tony (talk) 09:54, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• The original ALT1 did not have United States linked. It seems the link was added by this edit. The original ALT1 read, "... that despite being located on a university campus, the Bruce T. Halle Library houses one of the largest collections of children's literature in the United States?" I have spelled out ARC in the lead and header of the article. OCNative (talk) 13:07, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• Hook assertion cannot be verified to the source, which incidentally is self-published. --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 10:05, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• I see what happened here. The Detroit News was the cited source for the hook in the body of the article, but the library history was erroneously cited in the lead. I have fixed that and added a source from the Department of Children's Literature Studies at Eastern Michigan University. OCNative (talk) 13:07, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• The second hook is better - great article! Neutrality^talk 13:22, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
• Now fixed; but I cannot access the link (something about activating javascript. --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 15:10, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

  Added a photo. cmadler (talk) 16:57, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind my saying so, but ... the pic is a bit flat (that's why I asked in the article edit-summary whether there were more pics). It's just a brick building to me, and DYK image rule: "Suitable, attractive, and interesting at 100 x 100px.". Tony (talk) 11:17, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Anino ng Kahapon

• ... that Anino ng Kahapon is one of the few pro-American novels written during the time when the Philippines was still a territory of the United States?

Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 00:18, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• See my reviews all over this page.- AnakngAraw (talk) 00:19, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• No, it doesn't work to ask others to view 'all over this page'. You have made plenty of nominations, and it is impossible for other editors to keep track if your number of nominations and your number of reviews match. --Soman (talk) 01:06, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• So, here's one. I now reviewed another article named Dicksonia Plantation. - AnakngAraw (talk) 14:31, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Tequisquiapan

• ... that although wine grape and wine production has become important to the economy of Tequisquiapan in central Mexico, the local populace generally does not drink it?

5x expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 19:08, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

• REVIEWED Space industry Thelmadatter (talk) 19:14, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Expansion and date confirmed. Well referenced throughout. My rusty Spanish verifies the hook fact. I'll clean up some wikilinks shortly. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 17:41, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Can you point to the text where it says the local population generally don't drink it? I did find the text:

• However, the fair has had problems with the uncontrolled sale of alcoholic beverages and large number of young people simply getting drunk. This has led to incidents of fighting and other illegal behavior. There have also been cases of alcohol intoxication requiring medical attention.

which, unfortunately, is quite common in many parts of the world.

Lightmouse (talk) 14:18, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Frederick Settle Barff

• ... that Frederick Settle Barff invented a device, similar to a catalytic convertor, to remove SO₂ and CO₂ from the exhaust fumes of locomotives in the 1860's?

Created by Haruth (talk). Self nom at 16:41, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Maria Bashir ([23])

• • Looks ready to go. History2007 (talk) 07:17, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't find that hook remarkable. However, on looking at the article, I think he's a remarkable man and the article does a good job of showing it. I'm sure we can get something good for DYK. Lightmouse (talk) 14:12, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Nils Vogt (journalist)

• ... that Norwegian journalist Nils Vogt worked for 45 years at the newspaper Morgenbladet?

• Comment: The article was created today in my time zone.
• Note: I reviewed Jessie Miller below. --Eisfbnore ^talk 11:03, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Created by Eisfbnore (talk). Self nom at 10:58, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that Norwegian journalist Nils Vogt was the first chairman of the Norwegian Press Association? Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 11:28, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Date, lenght, both hooks are ok. I would prefer the second one.Alexikoua (talk) 12:29, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Can we find a hook that would be considered extraordinary by Wikipedia readers? Lightmouse (talk) 14:08, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

The Case of the Dean of St Asaph

• ... that The Case of the Dean of St Asaph resulted in the defence counsel being given the Freedom of the City of Gloucester, even though the defendant was found guilty? Ironholds (talk) 12:08, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Fanny Allen. Ironholds (talk) 12:11, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Length and date check out completely and I will assume good faith for the offline references.—Croisés Majestic ^{(sur nous mars)} 18:15, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

ARTICLE good. HOOK ... grammar a bit clumsy. ALT1: *... that as a result of The Case of the Dean of St Asaph, the defence counsel was given the Freedom of the City of Gloucester even though the defendant was found guilty? Tony (talk) 08:15, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Sure. Ironholds (talk) 13:06, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

This topic is very intriguing! a suggestion for an alt. hook: ALT2: "... that the defence counsel in The Case of the Dean of St Asaph was given the Freedom of the City of Gloucester, even though the defendant was found guilty?" Neutrality^talk 21:02, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

I like the unsigned ALT2 better than mine. Tony (talk) 11:14, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

That was me; I forgot to sign. Neutrality^talk 21:02, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Udmurt Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic

• ... that the Udmurt Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic was formed in 1934, but was not a full member of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic until 1936?

5x expanded by Σ (talk). Self nom at 03:31, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

• Expansion, references, hook and date ok. From what I can see Σ does not have to review article for DYK nomination. --Soman (talk) 04:30, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

A silly question, what was it a (full) member of between 1934 and 1936? Materialscientist (talk) 07:14, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Σ, I'm going to the article to try to extract something that is "interesting, catchy, or punchy". I have to say that this looks like business as usual for a republic. Tony (talk) 12:53, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

OK, got it from the article opening. The surprising thing about this is the number of times the name has been changed. How about this, which you may be able to improve with your knowledge of the topic?

ALT1 ... that the Udmurt Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, first formed in 1920, has since been renamed three times, most recently as the Udmurt Republic in 1991? Tony (talk) 13:03, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Materialscientist, it was considered part of the RSFSR but never did stuff with them until they had soviets and other important people do important stuff with the RSFSR which was in 1936. And Tony, you need to change that period to a question mark. But otherwise it's good. Thanks. --The Σ ^talk_contribs 02:54, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Frankly, I only understood "it was considered part of the RSFSR", but Tony's hook is much better anyway. Materialscientist (talk) 23:04, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• Oops, I see it's fixed. And nominator, do check once more that the sequence of facts in the article is beyond doubt. I'm sure you know this stuff well, though. Tony (talk) 11:11, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

It is confirmed by what I know and the Great Soviet Encyclopedia (online). --The Σ ^talk_contribs 18:04, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

All Hyderabad Trade Union Congress

• ... that in 1946 Makhdoom Mohiuddin, the president of the All Hyderabad Trade Union Congress, was arrested at the founding meeting of the organization?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 03:28, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

• Self-nominator Soman still needs to do a review of another user's DYK nom. OCNative (talk) 04:19, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

I reviewed Udmurt Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic. --Soman (talk) 04:31, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

• Rejigged the word order in the hook: ALT1 ... that Makhdoom Mohiuddin, the president of the All Hyderabad Trade Union Congress, was arrested at the founding meeting of the organization in 1946?

  Hook interest is great. Article: needs further copy-editing. I've fixed dates, dashes, and the section-title that wasn't a noun phrase. You may be interested in reading the Manual of Style on these issues; it's how I learned about them. Article will be ok when massaged, preferably by fresh eyes (easier to see issues, then). Do you have collaborators on WP? It's a great way to work, passing back and forth from each other. Tony (talk) 13:11, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Jessie Miller

• ... that, in 1927, Jessie Miller became the first woman to complete an England to Australia flight?

Created by Gcanyon (talk). Nominated by Strikerforce (talk) at 04:32, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

• Nominator reviewed South African National Blood Service Strikerforce^{Talk Review me!} 04:37, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

• The hook is not explicitly supported in neither the WP entry nor the Times article. Eisfbnore ^talk 11:01, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Theodore W. Brevard

• ... that Theodore W. Brevard, a military officer who served with the Confederate States Army, was captured by General George Custer's cavalry?

Created by Croisés Majestic (talk). Self nom at 18:13, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed #The Case of the Dean of St Asaph. —Croisés Majestic ^{(sur nous mars)} 18:57, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

• Length and creation date OK! Hook is most likely accurate and verifiable with source given. However, because it appears to be a 12 volume work, and the volume cited does not appear in the citation, it is difficult to verify. Author notified. --Mike Cline (talk) 19:48, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
• I hope I have corrected the issue. —Croisés Majestic ^{(sur nous mars)} 19:58, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• Citation adjusted accordingly. Thanks for the prompt fix. --Mike Cline (talk) 22:58, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Current nominations

Articles created/expanded on June 24

Jonathan Audy-Marchessault

• ... that in 2011 Jonathan Audy-Marchessault became the first player to lead the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League in playoff scoring despite not playing in the final playoff round?

• Reviewed: Alfred and Emily ([24])

5x expanded by Rlendog (talk). Self nom at 15:58, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Ismaila Gwarzo

• ... that Ismaila Gwarzo has been linked to theft of US$2.45 billion?

• Reviewed: John ya Otto Nankudhu ([25])

Created by Aymatth2 (talk). Self nom at 15:02, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• Length, hook and references confirmed. Date of creation was in fact previous day, but never mind that. Good to go. Poliocretes (talk) 16:12, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

How about:

Alt1 ... that Ismaila Gwarzo, a former Nigerian National Security Advisor was accused of theft of US$2.45 billion and repaid a few hundred million?

Lightmouse (talk) 14:06, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

O.k. by me - better. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:50, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Good for me. Lightmouse (talk) 08:23, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

John ya Otto Nankudhu

• ... that a pauper could receive a state burial in Namibia?

• Reviewed: Chaetopterus variopedatus ([26])
• Comment: There are two potential problems with this hook: First, it is somewhat sensationalist. The term "pauper" occurs verbatim in one of the sources, though. Second, it is of course time-sensitive; he's not going to remain in the mortuary forever. This hook would, if approved, need to be checked if new data is available as to how and when he was buried. I'm happy with any other good hook but couldn't think of anything remotely as catchy as this.

Created by Pgallert (talk). Self nom at 12:56, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• Date, length, sources fine. The hook is awkward though. I think it should contain the article name, and prefer not to link to other articles in a DYK hook. How about ALT1 below? Aymatth2 (talk) 14:59, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that John ya Otto Nankudhu, sentenced to death for terrorism in 1968, was entitled to a Namibian state burial when he died in 2011?

• Well, the hook was made to be awkward. This one might be too much, though. ALT1 is fine with me, although it is rather trivial--I guess any convicted terrorist is considered a hero in some country. --Pgallert (talk) 18:46, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

A hook could be deadly dull: "... that Smallville bus route #9 is a bus route in Smallville?" It could be totally obscure: "... that Oko Jumbo said Iguana was not Bonny Juju?". I don't like either extreme. A hook is an advertisement for a new article, saying "here is why you will find me interesting". It should have one bluelink, the title of the subject article, and the reason it is interesting in as few words as possible. The reader should never feel cheated when they follow the link in the hook. It should only be much later that they realize they have swallowed it. I follow these rules for every hook I make, or at least for most of them. For some of them, anyway.

I am o.k. with either tagline or any other suggestions, Aymatth2 (talk) 04:07, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

I couldn't agree more with Aymatth2 that one link in a DYK (single) hook is the ideal. To me, the original hook is great in the quirky tradition. But ...

ALT2... that a pauper could receive a state burial in Namibia? Tony (talk) 11:04, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• Either ALT is fine with me. The suggestion with only one blue link is somewhat new to me but could work with this article. Again, at promotion time the article needs to be checked for new developments in either case because "set to receive a state burial" in Namibia is not the same as "definitely to receive a state burial"; I will undertake to keep the article up-to-date but I don't want it to be reported at WT:Main Page unnecessarily. --Pgallert (talk) 07:53, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Chaetopterus variopedatus

The parchment tube in which C. variopedatus lives.

• ... that the polychaete worm Chaetopterus variopedatus, (pictured), can regenerate its whole body from a single segment?

• Reviewed: John Saunders (1949-), R v Chaytor

Created by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self nom at 11:00, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• I do not have much knowledge of Biology but the thing in the picture does not look like a worm. It rather seems to be the tube it is living in. I would appreciate if someone with more clue than I would suggest a different wording for what exactly is pictured here. Length, date, and picture license fine, hook ref is offline. --Pgallert (talk) 12:52, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

ALT1 ... that the polychaete worm Chaetopterus variopedatus, which lives in a tube (pictured), can regenerate its whole body from a single segment?

What about this alternative? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:06, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• That's fine. (tube pictured) or something like this would be an alternative. --Pgallert (talk) 18:40, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

The image is no longer available so:-

ALT2 ... that the polychaete worm Chaetopterus variopedatus can regenerate its whole body from a single segment? - Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:22, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Dicksonia Plantation

• ... that a windmill provided the water supply at the Dicksonia Plantation (pictured) in Alabama during the 19th century?

Created by Cougar6 (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 08:30, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Hook, length, creation date fine with me. Offline ref accepting in good faith. - AnakngAraw (talk) 14:28, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Article good. Hook is a let-down ... windmills providing water? Commonplace in the 19th century. Selection criterion 3: A hook fact is assumed to be "an extraordinary claim". Why not plunder the last section ("Destruction") for your hook? Tony (talk) 11:07, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

How about this:

• ALT1:... that the main house at Dicksonia Plantation (pictured) in Alabama was destroyed by fire twice during the 20th century?

Altairisfar (talk) 20:48, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• I actually had no idea that it was possible for windmills to provide water and hence assumed it to be "an extraordinary claim." However, I am fine with ALT1 if that is preferred. OCNative (talk) 11:18, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Bourke B. Hickenlooper

• ... that between 1932 and 1962, Iowa Republican Governor and U.S. Senator Bourke B. Hickenlooper won 17 of 19 elections in which he was a candidate?

• Reviewed: University of New Mexico Art Museum

2x expanded and sourced (BLP) by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 23:28, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• Length, date verified. Hook's offline ref accepted AGF. --Rosiestep (talk) 05:44, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Hook excellent; article good. MoS prefers the ... and .... ellipsis points, rather than the humungous ones. I've treated the overlinking in the article. Could (explain) what asafetida is on the spot in the article, briefly? Tony (talk) 12:38, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Asafetida explanation added. Billy Hathorn (talk) 03:57, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Jack Fellure

• ... that American perennial candidate Jack Fellure, whose platform is based on the Authorized 1611 King James Bible, received the 2012 presidential nomination of the Prohibition Party?

• Reviewed: Arizona State University Art Museum ([27])

Created by William S. Saturn (talk). Self nom at 22:33, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• Not sure that we should be capitalizing on his views on homosexuality—it might not be considered neutral. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 22:43, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

I replaced it with something else.--William S. Saturn (talk) 22:53, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

I like that one, and everything else seems to check out. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 02:12, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

I Hope Like Heck

• ... that the 50 poems in I Hope Like Heck were created from excerpts of emails written by Sarah Palin during her time as Governor of Alaska?

• Reviewed: Epidemiology of syphilis ([28])

Created by Fetchcomms (talk). Self nom at 22:19, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• Length, date and hook ref verified. Good to go. Quigley (talk) 19:49, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Yeah yeah, it's ok. Extraordinary to behold "Epidemiology of syphilis" and "Sarah Palin" in one breath. Tony (talk) 11:00, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Jewish ghettos in German-occupied Poland

• ... that among the Jewish ghettos in German-occupied Poland the most populous was the Warsaw Ghetto (pictured) with over 400,000 inhabitants crammed into an area of 1.3 square miles?

• Comment: See: Review requirement (5)

Created by Matalea (talk). Self nom at 20:08, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

All units checked and validated. Good to go. - AnakngAraw (talk) 23:44, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Great work on hook (truly shocking) and article. I hope this will be worked up for FLC. Three issues for now or later: (1) I didn't like the visual obstruction of the "Only 38 days ..." box at the top, and the corresponding ones below: Would it not be possible to divide each section into a separate table, with this info in the main text that leads into it? (2) the year–month– with the hanging dash was a bit upsetting until I worked out what it stands for. Is there a better way? Most people will have to work harder than I did to sort it out. (Why not "Dec 1939", for example?) (3) By "6–6,800", do you mean "6,000–6,800"? MOSNUM says you gotta type it out. To save horizontal space you could lose the commas if it suits you. Well done. Tony (talk) 10:56, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your excellent feedback. My main concern was to try and make the table-sort buttons work properly in all columns. For example, the dates of creation and liquidation of the ghettos begin with the year rather than the month and so on. The actual specific days when it happened are seldom listed at source, so the hanging dashes can be easily dropped. Keeping all settlements within one table allows for their proper listing in alphabetical order with a single click. -- Matalea (talk) 13:46, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• The hook should containt a conversion of square miles into an SI unit. — Kpalion^(talk) 19:55, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

  ALT1: ... that among the Jewish ghettos in German-occupied Poland the most populous was the Warsaw Ghetto (pictured) with over 400,000 inhabitants crammed into an area of 1.3 square miles (3.4 km²)?

University of New Mexico Art Museum

• ... that 94 pieces of Spanish colonial silver and 22 New Mexican santos are part of the University of New Mexico Art Museum's collection?

• Reviewed: The Case of the Dean of St Asaph

Created by Neutrality (talk). Self nom at 16:12, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

I recommend that this DYK hook be dropped and another one be written regarding the Georgia O'Keefe codosil. Billy Hathorn (talk) 01:09, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Length, date, refernces and hook fact ok. Not sure why this would be dropped? --Soman (talk) 01:18, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

I think Billy is referring to another interesting fact in the University of New Mexico Art Museum regarding Georgia O'Keefe. That's a good suggestion, but I've already used a O'Keefe fact in another DYK hook (Arizona State University Art Museum), and I wouldn't want to use another one when the DYKs appear closely after one another. Neutrality^talk 22:27, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Arizona State University Art Museum

• ... that the Arizona State University Art Museum holds Georgia O'Keeffe's first skull painting, Horse's Skull on Blue (1930)?

5x expanded by Neutrality (talk). Self nom at 13:25, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Bruce T. Halle Library above. Neutrality^talk 13:25, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• Everything checks out, but don't see the need for the quotes on "skull painting".--William S. Saturn (talk) 22:25, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• You are completely correct. I've taken out the quotation marks. Neutrality^talk 04:54, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• Units check It says 10,000 square feet and 49,700 square feet. These need metric values. Lightmouse (talk) 10:57, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
  • I went ahead and added the metric values. Neutrality^talk 18:28, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I added a couple more. It's a highly linked article so I took out a couple of the lesser value ones.

I'm a fan of museums but many of our readers aren't. I suspect 'skull painting' is more tempting. Can we work on the hook a bit more? Lightmouse (talk)

ALT 1: ... that Georgia O'Keeffe's first skull painting, Horse's Skull on Blue, in the collection of Arizona State University Art Museum, references New Mexico's blue skies and the idea of memento mori? Neutrality^talk 22:24, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

The trend in DYK is to improve the ratio between high and low value links in order to funnel readers. The target article should be the only link, sometimes supported by a second, and at a push a third. How about making it shorter:

ALT 2: ... that Georgia O'Keeffe's first skull painting, Horse's Skull on Blue, in the collection of Arizona State University Art Museum, refers to the idea of memento mori?

Lightmouse (talk) 08:45, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 25

Abdulla Kurd

• ... that Russian forces killed Abdulla Kurd, al-Qaeda's top operative in Chechnya, one day after U.S. forces killed al-Qaeda head Osama bin Laden?

Created by Mojorisin42 (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 13:00, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• hook, readable prose size, references looks good; no copyvios and very interesting. But what about linking "Chechnya"; it's not a very secular territory.--♫Greatorangepumpkin♫_{Share–a–Power}^{[citation needed]} 16:03, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Moran Dam

• ... that the Moran Dam, one of the largest proposed hydroelectric projects in North America, was defeated by environmentalists well before the time of anti-dam environmentalism?

expanded by Shannon1 (talk). Self nom at 04:06, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Comment: Expansion was started on 25 June 2011. Length/5x expansion needs to be verified. - AnakngAraw (talk) 04:17, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Cmon, the page is 4.53 times longer than pre-expansion... isn't that quite enough... Shann_ºn^Talk 05:51, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

expansion verified, referencing good. Minor comments: Please remove the stub classification yourself next time (I did it), and I would like to see something similar to the wording of the hook, which is true, in the article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:18, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Lake Cachí

• ... that the Lake Cachí dam project (pictured) is one of the earliest hydroelectric projects to take off in Costa Rica in the 1970s?

• Reviewed: Mini Hatch (2001 - 2006)

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 23:04, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• Added an img.--Nvvchar. 01:24, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

appr nice article!BarkingMoon (talk) 01:56, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Eduardo Avaroa Andean Fauna National Reserve

• ... that Árbol de Piedra ("stone tree") (pictured), a Bolivian rock formation carved by wind action, is an unusual natural feature in the Eduardo Avaroa Andean Fauna National Reserve?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 22:47, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• Added an img.--Nvvchar. 01:21, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

No worries. Maias (talk) 03:25, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

How about:

'ALT1... the Eduardo Avaroa Andean Fauna National Reserve contains a "stone tree" (pictured)?

Lightmouse (talk) 16:32, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Fine. Thanks.--Nvvchar. 23:13, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Fine by me with Alt1. Lightmouse (talk) 08:47, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Sir William Young, 1st Baronet, Sir William Young, 2nd Baronet

• ... that although the first Governor of Dominica Sir William Young, 1st Baronet left his son Sir William Young, 2nd Baronet his four Caribbean estates after his death in 1788, he passed on debts amounting to £110,000, equivalent to over £11 million today?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 21:31, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Mini Hatch (2001–2006)

• ... that as the full-sized clay mock-up of the original new Mini Hatch (pictured) was missing an exhaust pipe, chief designer, Frank Stephenson, had to make one out of an empty beer can?

• ALT1:... that the exhaust pipe of the original new Mini Hatch (pictured) was a result of a positive result from a presentation when before at the last minute, it had to be made from a beer can?

Created by Rangoon11 (talk). Nominated by Donnie Park (talk) at 16:32, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• • The actual hook needs a citation. as its currently without a reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr. Blofeld (talk • contribs) 10:56, 26 June 2011 UTC (UTC)
    • Since I nominated this article not created it, wouldn't the reference at the end of that paragraph be where the reference is, it is hard to know since I did not write this article, I think its worth informing the creator about this issue. Donnie Park (talk) 19:31, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Dominica State College

• ... that initial student admission in 2010 in the Dominica State College planned for 900 applicants, was less than 400, resulting in extension of enrollment period and removal of the admissions fee?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Rosiestep (talk), Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 15:45, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Newly written article, ref cited and verified, length validated. - AnakngAraw (talk) 04:08, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Grant Speed

• ... that before he began shaping sculptures of the American West, Grant Speed of Utah had been a ranch-hand, horse breaker, and rodeo performer?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 04:27, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

ARTICLE overlinked. Or it was. See MoS about "USA" and "ly-". Consider W for Western at the start; but it's unclear you mean "a sculptor in the genre of Westerns", or something like that (I'm unsure). Certainly it's no good in the hook (a western-themed sculptor? The theme was his, applied to his sculptures. Buzz me if you need assistance in these re-phrasings. Independent copy-edit would be good ... a quick one (e.g., "to devote full time to his art"). Hook interest ok. Tony (talk) 12:29, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Hook has been revised. Billy Hathorn (talk) 00:48, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Stave Falls Dam

Tzeltal people

• ... that the Tzeltal people (Tzeltal child pictured) are the largest indigenous group in the Mexican state of Chiapas?

Created by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 02:38, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• REVIEWED Robert Hull Fleming Museum Thelmadatter (talk) 02:45, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Length, date and hook okay. AGF for offline sources. --Epipelagic (talk) 03:16, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Not yet. But I think we could construct a tasty hook based on their connection with Maya people. Lightmouse (talk) 15:00, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Stave Falls Dam

• ... that the Stave Falls Dam (original power house pictured), completed in 1912 and formerly the largest source of hydroelectric power in British Columbia, is a Canadian National Historic Site?

Created by--NortyNort (Holla) 02:26, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Harlan Crow

Billy Hathorn (talk) 04:31, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Ruskin Dam

• ... that the Ruskin Dam (power house pictured) on the Stave River in British Columbia will be undergoing a US$800 million seismic, safety and efficiency upgrade?

Created by--NortyNort (Holla) 02:26, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Cape dune mole rat
• I think this dam's use as a filming location is more "hooky" but finding good references for all the TV shows and movies is difficult.--NortyNort (Holla) 02:26, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Agree with Norty. Could be good. Also, why not Canadian dollars? Tony (talk) 12:35, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

The English source went with U.S. dollars which I thought was okay for its use in the article. Are the references for the filming locations okay? I haven't worked in TV-related articles much and know it is probably had to find a good source for this kind of stuff.--NortyNort (Holla) 13:13, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

List of accolades received by the Spider-Man franchise

• ... that despite Spider-Man 2 being the most critically praised entry in the franchise, it is also the lowest grossing in the trilogy?

Created by Crystal Clear x3 (talk). Self nom at 22:48, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

I got wobbly locating all sources. But all units checked and confirmed. - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:14, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Units check It says 2,400 feet, 3,200 feet, eight feet, twenty feet, 100 pounds. These need metric values.

How about:

Alt1 ... Spider-Man 2 was regarded by critics as the best of the trilogy but made the least money?

Lightmouse (talk) 16:41, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

List of accolades received by the Austin Powers franchise

• ... that Madonna won a Grammy Award for the song Beautiful Stranger from the 1999 film Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me?

Created by Thecheesykid (talk). Self nom at 20:20, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

This is a list. Reviewed. Other than that, good to go. - AnakngAraw (talk) 22:31, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

The word 'won' is too eggy for me. It's not inviting enough by itself and is less inviting when surrounded by non-egg links. Lightmouse (talk) 15:05, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Do you have a suggestion? That Ole Cheesy Dude ^{(Talk to the hand!)} 16:15, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

As a reference, it's very well done. It's just what an online encyclopedia needs. Unfortunately, I can't find an extraordinary fact that would bring it to DYK. Lightmouse (talk) 16:45, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

I thought winning a Grammy award was pretty extraordinary... :/ That Ole Cheesy Dude ^{(Talk to the hand!)} 00:20, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

New York Agreement

• ... that the United States mediated the 1962 New York Agreement as part of a plan "to prevent Indonesia from falling under communist control and to win it over to the west"?

• ALT1:... that the completion of the 1962 New York Agreement fulfilled President Sukarno's vision of a "Republic of Indonesia from Sabang to Merauke" (pictured)?
• Reviewed: I Hope Like Heck ([29])

5x expanded by Quigley (talk). Self nom at 19:54, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

All aspects validated, including 5x expansion claim. Good to go! - AnakngAraw (talk) 23:50, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• OK, article is very good work, except F5 Dashes (WP:DASH). MoS "communist" generically is with a small c. "West" here is used in a wider sense (and probably was unnecessarily linked in the hook) than in the article, where the word is piped to a specific Group of countries. Is it easier not to raise this distinction by removing the link in the hook, as I've done? Is it not normally UN, rather then U.N. Please note Chicago Manual of Style's recent reversal of advice even about US (not U.S. any more). They're the peak style guide in the US. Article tips: if there's any opportunity to break up those large paragraphs, please take it. Also, are there utterly no relevant images in Commons? Hook is ok in terms of interest level. Tony (talk) 04:22, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

• I broke up a few paragraphs, changed U.S. and U.N. to US and UN, and replaced spaced en dashes with em dashes for consistency. I gather the type of dash used for constructions like Indonesia–Malaysia confrontation is controversial, so I used whatever the article title used in linking to them. I found a few relevant pictures on Commons, and in the process conceived of an alternate hook+picture (added above) that might be more interesting. Quigley (talk) 21:58, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

O moj Shqypni

• ... that O moj Shqypni has been described as one of the most influential and most important poems written in Albanian?

5x expanded by Vinie007 (talk), Kushtrim123 (talk), ZjarriRrethues (talk). Nominated by ZjarriRrethues (talk) at 18:17, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed 69 Squadron(Israel)

Comment: Expansion began yesterday and not a month ago like Shubinator's DYK tool indicates.--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 18:26, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Expansion status confirmed. All units checked. Shouldn't the poem be placed back in the article. - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:18, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• F5 Dashes (WP:DASH) ... year ranges, page ranges. (Just paste: importScript("User:GregU/dashes.js"); into your vector.js file or monobook.js file. Expect the button at the same tab as the move-page. Instructions for script acquisition in general are here.) Also, ref list: closing range should be minimum two digits (101–09, not 101–9, for example). Tony (talk)

69 Squadron (Israel)

• ... that the September 6, 2007, destruction of a Syrian nuclear site has been attributed to Israeli 69 Squadron F-15Is (pictured)?

• Reviewed: Ismaila Gwarzo

5x expanded by Poliocretes (talk). Self nom at 16:25, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• Good to go.--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 18:23, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

The article seems interesting enough but I can't see anything extraordinary about the hook. Not DYK but may be worth trying for GA. Lightmouse (talk) 13:17, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Do we have to be quaint? I thought the original would speak to people because the subject matter was in the news and the picture is great. But we can do quaint (and it's all referenced):

ALT1 : ... that in 1948 the Federal Bureau of Investigations impounded a B-17 Flying Fortress destined to join Israel's 69 Squadron?

ALT2 : ... that on its delivery flight to Israel, a 69 Squadron B-17 Flying Fortress bombed the Abdeen Palace in Cairo?

ALT3 : ... that in 1981 an Israeli 69 Squadron F-4 Phantom II numbered 222 collided in mid-air with an F-16 Fighting Falcon bearing the exact same number?

ALT4 : ... that Israeli 69 Squadron pilots have clashed with both Soviet and North Korean pilots?

I still like the original better, if only for the photo. Poliocretes (talk) 19:02, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK reviewers look for 'extraordinary claims' because:

• Selection criterion 3: A hook fact is assumed to be "an extraordinary claim".

The name of the squadron doesn't meet that criterion.

I think Alt1, Alt2, and Alt3 meet the criterion. I'd only ask to improve the ratio between high and low value links. In an ideal world, a DYK would only have one link (for the target) but a second and, at a push, a third might be necessary. I'd certainly not have non-target links to common countries or any article that's immediately linked in the target.

Lightmouse (talk) 21:26, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• I think ALT3 is excellent! Yoninah (talk) 22:07, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

I like ALT3 too. Lightmouse (talk) 22:45, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• So do I. And although WP is not censored, let's avoid a hot-button issue if there's a good alternative? Can you fix Rule F5: Dashes (WP:DASH) See thread above for link to easy-peasy dash script. Great pic, but it won't be done justice by the squint-sized thumbs we seem to insist on. Article: good work indeed. Tony (talk) 04:41, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Galiella rufa

• ... that the hairy rubber cup is no longer in Bulgaria?

• Reviewed: Mount Ida Plantation ([30])
• Comment: I'm going for quirkyness based on wordplay here. I could find a more "conventional" hook if desired.

Created by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 15:47, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

You have to be more specific in the hook, at first glance I thought you were referring to the country. Maybe something like mentioning Bulgaria as a genus. - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:23, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

The point of the hook was to deliberately avoid mentioning Bulgaria as genus. In theory, people would click through to see (i) what a "hairy rubber cup" was, and (ii) why it was not in "Bulgaria". Sasata (talk) 00:39, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

I would like to see your alternate hooks please as mentioned above. Thanks. - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:42, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that the hairy rubber cup fungus (pictured) kills nematodes?

ALT2: ... that the hairy rubber cup fungus (pictured), usually considered inedible by North American field guides, is commonly consumed in Malaysia?

I am for alts 1 or 2 even if cited from offline sources. Anyone who wants to use the original hook is free to do so. Thanks. - AnakngAraw (talk) 04:52, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Love ALT2. Image is pretty dark and hard to make out at that size (DYK image rule: "Suitable, attractive, and interesting at 100 x 100px."). Article: good work indeed. Tony (talk) 10:47, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Tony. I bumped up the brightness a tad. Sasata (talk) 15:13, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• The first hook would be a very good DYK on April Fools' Day! Is it possible to save it, and to promote one of those alts anytime in the next weeks?--♫Greatorangepumpkin♫_{Share–a–Power}^{[citation needed]} 16:13, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
  • April is a loooong way away... I'm sure I (or someone else) could make an even better hook for the occasion with the eminently expandable stub Bulgaria for next year. Ping me in March! Sasata (talk) 17:04, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Mayhew Foster

• ... that the United States Army pilot Mayhew Foster in 1945 transported Luftwaffe chief Hermann Göring from Austria to Germany, where Goring stood trial for war crimes at Nuremberg?

2x expanded and sourced (BLP) by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 15:18, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• Length, expansion, source, and recency all check out. Anaxial (talk) 21:25, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Units check. It says three hundred pounds. This needs metric units. Lightmouse (talk) 19:16, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Converted to 136.36 kg. Billy Hathorn (talk) 04:42, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Precision is part art, part science. It isn't a big deal but I've reduced the weight precision from 0.01 kilograms (0.022 lb). Now that's done, I'm fine with the units. Lightmouse (talk) 09:46, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed: Soldiers Chapel

Please don't link common terms like "American", "UK", and frankly, Germany and Austria. "English" (language) ... why linked? We seem to be easier about WWII, etc, in military-themed articles, although so often I see more focused link-targets (sections, daughter articles) that would be more appropriate. WP:OVERLINK. MoS prefers ... three plain periods over that spacey thing for ellipsis points. See MoSDASH about the need to space the dash in full dates. And please no hyphens for year ranges. Rule F5: Dashes. Please see WP:MOSDASH. Use button under edit-box, or upload the dash script – for breaks and year ranges. Just paste: importScript("User:GregU/dashes.js"); into your vector.js file or monobook.js file. Expect the button at the same tab as the move-page. Instructions for script acquisition in general are here. Also, Rule F6: WP:MOSNUM, including the "figures or words" guidelines.]] ... ninety-nine. "I had a .45 in a shoulder holster" ... could you put in a [square-bracket explanation] after the number? Otherwise, article good. Ah, and 136.36 kg, I'm certain MOSNUM wants some kind of equivalence in precision: 136 kg is better, isn't it? Tony (talk) 05:02, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Correction made on the links in the article. Billy Hathorn (talk) 16:32, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Soldiers Chapel

• ... that Chet Huntley, newscaster and founder of Big Sky Resort, is buried in the nearby cemetery of Soldiers Chapel?

Created by BarkingMoon (talk). Self nom at 14:40, 25 June 2011 (UTC) Reviewed: Ian Agol, BarkingMoon (talk) 14:40, 25 June 2011 (UTC); I'm mulled over adding to the hook that the chapel is a memorial to a Montana WWII infantry regiment. BarkingMoon (talk) 14:42, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Billy Hathorn (talk) 15:30, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

It refers to 4 feet, which should be converted. The hook seems a little mundane to me. On reading the article, I see the more interesting issue about forbidding certain people from burial there. Can we make something of that? Lightmouse (talk) 16:25, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

LM-convert added. ALT1 that the benefactor of Soldiers Chapel, near Big Sky Resort, wrote that people such as hillbilly Bible thumpers, conscientious objectors, and those who refuse to salute the flag should be excluded from the chapel?, Main or alt1 is okay with me. BarkingMoon (talk) 20:11, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Fiddlies in article: MoS says not USA, but US. Christian is a very very big-picture article; it shouldn't normally be linked. Same with WWII, unless you've got a more specific article or section to link to. Apart from that, good. But the HOOK: Selection criterion 3: A hook fact is assumed to be "an extraordinary claim". This doesn't seem to qualify. Can you comb through the article and find something better? Tony (talk) 04:46, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

I think both hooks qualify, esp alt1 BarkingMoon (talk) 10:12, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

If you replace the woolly term 'felt' with the factual term 'wrote', I'll go for ALT1. Lightmouse (talk) 10:33, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

So changed.BarkingMoon (talk) 23:07, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Jan Claudius de Cock

• ... that the Flemish artist Jan Claudius de Cock decorated the Breda Palace courtyard for King William III, stadtholder of the Netherlands?

Created by Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 05:39, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Bourke B. Hickenlooper

Interesting article. The hook seems a little ordinary for a DYK. Is there an extraordinary claim that can be made? If not, perhaps it'd be better to go for GA. Lightmouse (talk) 16:23, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Robert Hull Fleming Museum

• ... that the ceiling of the Wilbur Room at the Robert Hull Fleming Museum at the University of Vermont features the names of Ira Allen, Thomas Chittenden, Ethan Allen, and Stephen R. Bradley, four important early Vermonters?

Created by Neutrality (talk). Self nom at 04:52, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• ALT 1: ... that the Robert Hull Fleming Museum at the University of Vermont includes a complete set of the Description de l'Égypte, a book series based on the French campaign in Egypt under Napoleon?
• ALT 2: ... that the Robert Hull Fleming Museum at the University of Vermont includes a complete set of Hiroshige's Fifty-three Stations of the Tōkaidō? Neutrality^talk 04:52, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Mohammad Khalil Naik. Neutrality^talk 04:52, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Hooks check out, I prefer ALT 1 Thelmadatter (talk) 02:44, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Yup, I also prefer ALT1. ALT2 is just a bit too stuffed full of info. Can we focus the links a bit? All of them are presumably at the DYK article (I hope). Tony (talk) 04:15, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Ang mga Anak Dalita

• ... that in the 1911 Philippine novel Ang mga Anak Dalita, author Patricio Mariano explored the industrial and socio-economic upheaval in Manila during the period?

Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 01:16, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• See my reviews all over this page.- AnakngAraw (talk) 01:17, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Could use some more sources but other than that the hook checks out.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:27, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• Please fix: Rule F5: Dashes (WP:DASH). Use button under edit-box, or upload the dash script – for breaks and year ranges. Just paste: importScript("User:GregU/dashes.js"); into your vector.js file or monobook.js file. Expect the button at the same tab as the move-page. Instructions for script acquisition in general are here.

  I'm becoming concerned at the number of early-20th-century Filipino novels that are flowing into DYK right now. Can they not be spaced out a bit after this one? The hook is quite good. So I guess the book cover (as in ref. 2) is too copyright-problematic to include in the article? Tony (talk) 04:53, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Cape dune mole rat

• ... that the Cape dune mole rat, a furry relative of the naked mole rat, can excavate up to 500 kilograms (1,100 lb) of soil in a month?

• Reviewed: Mayhew Foster ([31])

5x expanded by Anaxial (talk). Self nom at 21:35, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• Expansion, hook good to go. I can't see the journal, assuming good faith.--NortyNort (Holla) 02:07, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

How about:

Alt1... that the Cape dune mole rat can excavate up to 500 kg (1,100 lb) of soil in a month? Lightmouse (talk) 16:20, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Lightmouse (talk) 16:20, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

My intention was to relate a fairly obscure animal to one that's less so; many people may be entirely unfamiliar with the not-naked mole rats. Of course, there may be a better way of phrasing that than "furry". Anaxial (talk) 16:43, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Oh. I missed that entirely. I've seen rats and don't worry about species or whether it has hair or not. I was attracted by the amount of soil it can dig. In fact, the word 'dig' is more plain English than 'excavate'. Lightmouse (talk) 16:53, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 26

Celebrity Autobiography: In Their Own Words (play)

• ... that Celebrity Autobiography: In Their Own Words is a theatrical work that involved readings of celebrity memoirs by performers including a few Saturday Night Live cast memebers?

• Reviewed: TBD

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 01:00, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Edward Scissorhands (dance)

• ... that unlike the 1990 film version starring Johnny Depp, the 2005 theatrical adaptation of Edward Scissorhands was set in the 1950s and set to music?

• Reviewed: TBD

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 00:56, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Rick St. Croix, Michael St. Croix

• ... that retired hockey goaltender Rick St. Croix and his sons Chris St. Croix and Michael St. Croix were all drafted in the 4th round of the NHL Entry Draft?

• Reviewed: Lymm Hall ([[32]])

5x expanded by Rlendog (talk), Marc87 (talk). Self nom at 17:45, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Jerbourg Point

• ... that during World War II, the Germans built a bomb- and gas-proof bunker on Jerbourg Point (pictured), the southeastern point of Guernsey in the English Channel?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 11:05, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Date, length, hook ref all verified. Tweaked hook and it's good to go. Yoninah (talk) 00:47, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

• • Sorry, Yoninah. There was an edit clash when I was posting the img in the article for which I just got permission from the author to upload from flickr. I have pictured it here now, if you don't mind reviewing it pl. Thanks.--Nvvchar. 01:03, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Lower Huxley Hall

• ... that the Grade II* listed Lower Huxley Hall in the English town of Huxley, Cheshire, is approached by a Grade II* listed bridge and archway, and stands on a moated site that is a Scheduled Monument?

• Reviewed: Déjame Entrar (Carlos Vives song)

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk) and Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 13:28, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• Nice article - good to go. Prioryman (talk) 17:40, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

It is very good work, thus far. But Rule D7: An article should not look like "work in progress", and must "deal adequately with a topic". Can't the article be filled out a little? Disappointed no pics there, not that it's essential for DYK. HOOK: Cheshire could be in the US, so I've added "UK". It's very highly linked, diverting visitors away from your DYK article, so I've rationed them. Revert if you don't like that. The hook parallelisms work quite well. Tony (talk) 05:07, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment. The article contained everything worthwhile I could find in my admittedly limited library, and that includes the standard work on Cheshire Country Houses. For me, it was not a work in progress; but it does offer a basis for others to expand — and this has already happened. There is now a photo in the article. I did not include it because it is taken from such a distance that the house is virtually hidden by trees; it would certainly not be suitable as a thumbnail for DYK. Anyway the article is now better than when I suggested it. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 10:43, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

I Blofeld the Bald uploaded a photo especially. Not great but better than nothing. English country houses are my speciality and am glad that Peter is working on them.

Hope you don't mind a joint collaboration on this? I've fleshed it out a little.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:33, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Ujarrás

• ... that Ujarrás is home to ruins of one of the oldest churches in Costa Rica, Iglesia de Nuestra Senora de la Limpia Concepcion (pictured), which was built in the 1580s and has been proposed as a World Heritage Site?

• Reviewed: Helen Derr

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 09:40, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• Added an img.--Nvvchar. 10:30, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

date, length, refs, pic license fine. Suggest a more concise ALT, also with 1560 as the source says (please check and adjust, article or hook), and without a ' in 1560s:

ALT1:... that one of the oldest churches in Costa Rica, Iglesia de Nuestra Senora de la Limpia Concepcion (pictured), built in the 1560s in Ujarrás, has been proposed as a World Heritage Site? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:54, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Meine Seel erhebt den Herren, BWV 10

• ... that Bach's chorale cantata Meine Seel erhebt den Herren, BWV 10, is not based on a chorale, but the Magnificat sung by Mary when she visited Elizabeth (pictured)?

5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 09:08, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• reviewed: #Moran Dam. - Cantata suggested for 2 July, the feast of Visitation, mentioned by a link. I did not link Mary and Elizabeth, Tony, and hope the hook is punchy enough, more or less "a chorale cantata without a chorale". Further comment: to avoid too many cantatas on consecutive days please get #Die Elenden sollen essen, BWV 75 to prep. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:28, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Good article and ready to go, but I suggest an alternative hook that spells out some of the dramatis personae more clearly: ALT1: ... that Bach's chorale cantata Meine Seel erhebt den Herren, BWV 10, is based not on a chorale but on the Virgin Mary's Magnificat, sung when she visited John the Baptist's mother Elizabeth? (pictured). Better? Prioryman (talk) 18:46, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks for the suggestion, but I can see readers turning away on "Virgin Mary", and Elizabeth was not yet mother, and it sounds as if Elizabeth was pictured, and I would like to tell it not only to Christians. If not too long:

ALT2: ... that Bach's chorale cantata Meine Seel erhebt den Herren, BWV 10, is based not on a chorale but on the Magnificat, sung by Mary, pregnant with Jesus, on her visit (pictured) to Elizabeth, pregnant with John? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:45, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Although Prioryman's is rather long, it avoids the cultural presumption that readers know who Mary is. Again, the hook is spoilt by diversionary linking to "Bach" and "chorale cantata", which are prominently linked when you are lucky enough to get them to click on your DYK article. There are more important, unusual links for the hook. But the real problem is Selection Criterion 3: A hook fact is assumed to be "an extraordinary claim". I don't even see why it's extraordinary, and I'm a Bach cantata freak. Needs to be clarified or the hook doesn't satsify this criterion. Tony (talk) 05:12, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, Tony, that I was unable to make you see it: The unsual claim - if we really need that - is that this cantata - to my knowledge as the only one of Bach's second cycle of chorale cantatas, a special type which not everybody knows, many think it's a setting of words and tune of a chorale, wrong - is NOT based on a Lutheran chorale, but the much older Gregorian chant (Tonus peregrinus) of the Magnificat. I do not presume that people know which Mary sang the Magnificat, but offered a link for those who don't. Both Magnificat and Visitation also link to her. May be it's a German thing, we say simply Maria, not Saint, not virgin, unless in a liturgy. ALT2 mentions Jesus, and I guess the ones who don't know who that is are not likely interested in the article. - I like to link to Bach cantata, if I have no room for a translation of the title (hear it's at least in Latin also), just to highlight the topic. - There is no action in the cantata, the people are not mentioned, so we can go to the other extreme going that direction in a hook:

ALT3:... that Bach's chorale cantata Meine Seel erhebt den Herren, BWV 10, is not based on a Lutheran chorale, but the Gregorian chant of the Magnificat sung by Mary visiting (pictured) Elizabeth? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:25, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Alfred and Emily

• ... that shortly before Doris Lessing's novel Alfred and Emily was published, the Nobel Prize in Literature winner announced it was her last book?

• Reviewed: Wardang Island ([33])

Created by Teatreez (talk). Nominated by Bruce1ee (talk) at 08:09, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• Date, length and hook all check. Rlendog (talk) 15:55, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I removed "that" and the hyphen from the hook. The article was badly overlinked (please see WP:OVERLINK. Deceptive time links like [[2008 in literature|2008]]: people more likely to click if they're not piped like that. See what I did at the bottom? Could we have the author's d.o.b. at the top? And can one say Nobel laureate in Literature? I'm not sure, but it would be neater. Tony (talk) 05:18, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

As requested, I've added Lessing's dob to the article. I guess we could use "Nobel laureate in Literature" in the hook. I don't feel too strongly either way. —Bruce1ee^talk 05:58, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

The Sweetest Dream

• ... that The Independent called Doris Lessing's The Sweetest Dream a "rare literary pleasure" akin to discovering a "long lost novel by George Eliot or Balzac"?

• Reviewed: 2011 Musselshell River flood and Musselshell River ([34])

Created by Teatreez (talk). Nominated by Bruce1ee (talk) at 08:06, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Hmm. "Book gets praised" seems common and unremarkable to me:

• Selection criterion 3: A hook fact is assumed to be "an extraordinary claim".

Can something unusual be found to catch the Wikipedia reader's attention? Lightmouse (talk) 16:26, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• How about this hook

ALT1: ... that Doris Lessing's book The Sweetest Dream was originally intended to be volume three of her autobiography, but she made it a novel to avoid offending people? —Bruce1ee^talk 06:48, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Very nice! Alt1. A little more time spent in review produces juicy claims like that. Lightmouse (talk) 08:52, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Wardang Island

• ... that Wardang Island was used for trials of myxomatosis and rabbit haemorrhagic disease?

• Reviewed: Eduardo Avaroa Andean Fauna National Reserve ([35])

Created by Maias (talk). Self nom at 03:41, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• Length, date and hook refs verified. —Bruce1ee^talk 09:24, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Seems inherently interesting to me. For those that don't know about the disease, it may be possible to create a hook about deliberate infection and/or disease escape. Lightmouse (talk) 16:22, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I think the fact that these two diseases were engineered and released to control a serious pest (introduced by the European invasion) should be in the hook. Article: ref notes don't specify page numbers or page ranges for specific claims. "successful" × 2. Very promising article. Tony (talk) 05:39, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

2011 Musselshell River flood and Musselshell River

• ... that severe flooding in May 2011 along the Musselshell River resulted in a state of emergency being declared in 51 Montana counties, cities, and Indian reservations?

Created/expanded by User:BarkingMoon (talk). Self nom at 02:02, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

flood article is new, river article 5x (793 to 4192). BarkingMoon (talk) 02:02, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed: Lake Cachi, BarkingMoon (talk) 02:02, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• Length/expansion, date and hook refs verified for both articles. —Bruce1ee^talk 09:36, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Units check. '2011 Musselshell River flood' has many units without metric equivalents.

Hook check. How about:

ALT1. ... that 2011 Musselshell River flood resulted in a state of emergency being declared in 51 Montana counties, cities, and Indian reservations?

Lightmouse (talk) 12:06, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

ALT2. ... that 2011 Musselshell River flood was one of several floods that resulted in a state of emergency being declared in 51 Montana counties, cities, and Indian reservations?

Comment: The declaration resulted from all the floods in Montana, not just the Musselshell flood.--Mike Cline (talk) 13:43, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Aha, good clarification. ALT2 is much better. The phrase 'major May 2011 floods' within it seems redundent to me and shorter is better in DYK. If you remove it, I'll be happier. Even if not, I'll still support it to go forward. Lightmouse (talk) 16:19, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

LM-did the converts except I don't know how to do the cubic ones. If you could help with that, I'd appreciate it. I like ALT2 also, which tweak of it doesn't matter to me. BarkingMoon (talk) 20:18, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Alt2 adjusted per Lightmouse suggestion. --Mike Cline (talk) 20:25, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Photos on the way. Someone just agreed to release two under CC 3.0.BarkingMoon (talk) 22:52, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I've done the remaining units in both the flood and river articles. A photo will be a help. Alt2 is now good for me. Lightmouse (talk) 09:03, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Helen Derr

• ... that the religion editor Helen Derr was the first female deacon of the First Presbyterian Church of Alexandria, Louisiana?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 00:37, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Greatham Church

Good to go.♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:32, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Following a trend in DYK, I think the target article should be the only link, sometimes supported by a second, and at a push a third. Five links seems like way too many to me, particularly for such routine articles. Lightmouse (talk) 16:16, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Greatham Church

• ... that writer Arthur Mee was once advised not to mistake Greatham Church (pictured) for a haystack?

• Reviewed: The Fly-fisher's Entomology (Difff)

Created by Hassocks5489 (talk). Self nom at 21:18, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• Billy Hathorn (talk) 00:43, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

The "curiosity" hook is just great. But DYK image rule: "Suitable, attractive, and interesting at 100 × 100px." ... could you brighten the shadowy bit? I've partially treated the serious overlinking in the article. Good article. English Heritage ... could it be piped to something more explicit, like the English Heritage ?Office? EH seems like it's their brand name. Tony (talk) 05:47, 28 June 2011 (UTC) PS the left-side image in the article: it sandwiches the text for many readers, depending on their window width and other settings. Can it be repositioned on the right, below the infobox? Tony (talk) 05:49, 28 June 2011 (UTC) PPS Lancet windows might be a better hook image? Tony (talk) 05:49, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

I've shuffled the pics around; not sure if the result is better. English Heritage is the official name of the department (technically, non-departmental body), so that is the best link – they are the ones responsible for granting listed status. I'll have a go at editing the picture when I get home tonight (there is another here from a different angle; possibly brighter). Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 13:02, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Chavruta

• ... that when yeshiva students learn in chavruta, they may wave their hands and even shout at each other?

• Reviewed: Tatiana von Metternich-Winneburg ([36])

5x expanded by Yoninah (talk). Self nom at 20:28, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• Alternatively, this alt may make more sense to readers who aren't familiar with the term. ("Chavruta" can refer to either a pair of students or to one student in the pair.) For this alt, the Ashkenazi pronunciation of "chavrusa" is more appropriate and will get more hits:
• ALT1: ... that when yeshiva students learn with their chavrusas (chavrusas at Beth Medrash Govoha pictured), they may wave their hands and shout at each other? Yoninah (talk) 21:48, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

date, length and hook all copacetic - ALT1 is ok - I'd take out the "even" PS: the image is a good one to add. Nice visual. Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:43, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• I added the image; it's a little hard to work into the hook, but I tried. Yoninah (talk) 09:37, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• As nice as the image is, it really doesn't encapsulate what a chavrusa is, which is two students sitting together over their Gemaras. Perhaps there is an image that we can upload from Flicker? though I don't know how to do that. Yoninah (talk) 12:50, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Ritz-Carlton Hotel (Atlantic City)

• ... that the Ritz-Carlton in Atlantic City was home to Nucky Johnson, the political boss portrayed in Boardwalk Empire?

Created by Djflem (talk). Self nom at 20:02, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• Date, length, hook ref all verified. The nominator has less than 5 DYKs, so no need for a review. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 21:07, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

I looooove the HBO series, but surely Nucky can be invested with more interest than that, even "one of the most notable residents of the .... was ... , who ". Nucky was a crim of the highest order. I can't wait to see what you come up with. (Haven't looked at the article yet.) Tony (talk) 05:52, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Costa Rican general election, 2002

• ... that the 2002 presidential election was the first in Costa Rican history to go to a second round?

Created by Number 57 (talk). Self nom at 19:58, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Downtown Ossining Historic District Number 57 19:58, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• Date, length OK. Offline hook ref AGF. But the whole article is based on one source. Do you have any more to add? Yoninah (talk) 20:30, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• I've added a couple of more online sources. Number 57 20:39, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• Great! Hook ref verified. Tweaked hook and it's good to go. Yoninah (talk) 20:56, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

I can see a better way of funneling readers to the one important hook:

ALT1... that the 2002 Costa Rican presidential election was the first to go to a second round?

Lightmouse (talk) 16:12, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks, Lightmouse. ALT1 is better. Yoninah (talk) 21:31, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1. I'm happy. Lightmouse (talk) 09:04, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

SS Kowloon No.1

• ... that in May 1951, SS Nancy Moller was intercepted by HMS Cossack off Hainan, China whilst carrying a cargo of rubber in contravention of a United Nations embargo?

• Reviewed: SS Ava (1855)

Created by Mjroots (talk). Self nom at 17:42, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

New article, length fine, with offline source. I'm just wondering if there is an online equivalent. Otherwise good to go, accepting offline source in good faith. - AnakngAraw (talk) 04:00, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Refs #17 and #18 also confirm, and are online. Mjroots (talk) 05:08, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I think it could be shorter and punchier with the target link standing out:

ALT1 ... that in May 1951, SS Nancy Moller was intercepted carrying a cargo of rubber in contravention of a United Nations embargo?

Lightmouse (talk) 11:55, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Comment: I think that the fact the Royal Navy carried out the interception is what gives the hook its punch, hence Cossack really ought to be mentioned. Mjroots (talk) 12:22, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

It may be that this DYK claim won't work.

ALT2 ... that in May 1951, SS Nancy Moller was intercepted by HMS Cossack carrying a cargo of rubber in contravention of a United Nations embargo?

The plain factual nature of the claim and the subject matter (cargos of rubber, ships most people haven't heard of) may not meet DYK criteria:

• Selection criterion 1: "Try to select articles that are ... 'interesting' to a wide audience"
• Selection criterion 3: A hook fact is assumed to be "an extraordinary claim"

Is there something that can be said that's more likely to be regarded as extraordinary by a wide number of people? Lightmouse (talk) 16:09, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Lightmouse, are you saying that cargo ships are not interersting? Ok, they don't get the glamour of the ocean liners, but some of them have far more interesting histories. Researching them is harder work, but worth the effort involved. Mjroots (talk) 10:05, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

I think its a very extraordinary claim, that a British merchant vessel was captured by a British warship for carrying contraband to Communist China during the Korean War. If the Korean War bit can be included, I think it would improve the hook. Manxruler (talk) 20:23, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Ah! I didn't know SS meant it was a British ship. Perhaps many readers won't either. The trend in DYK is to improve the ratio between high and low value links in order to funnel readers. The target article should be the only link, sometimes supported by a second, and at a push a third. Now I know it was Brit on Brit, it is extraordinary to me. With a bit more tinkering, this could be a nice one. Lightmouse (talk) 09:10, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

SS doe not mean it was a British ship, merely that it was powered by a steam engine. Ok, taking the above on board -

ALT3 ... that the British steamship Nancy Moller was intercepted in May 1951 by HMS Cossack off Hainan, China whilst carrying a cargo of rubber in contravention of an United Nations embargo imposed due to the Korean War. Mjroots (talk) 10:01, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Great! It was worth the extra debate. Lightmouse (talk) 10:29, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Well. What I would have done before breaking out the whole "this isn't an extraordinary claim"-stuff, which is getting pretty old, is to actually read the article. That would have cleared up the whole issue right away, with a simple alt hook instead of all this unnecessary business. The hook indeed benefited from adding the clarification about a British warship seizing a British merchant ship, but naval intercepts are pretty exciting in themselves. Blockades too.

The claim that the nominated article should be the only link in the hook is controversial, to say the least. In my opinion relevant links help people understand the hooks. And although not everyone may know that the SS ship prefix stands for "steamship", there are more than enough maritime interested people out there the justify the hook. No hook can please everybody, trying to get hooks that will please everyone is in my mind a recipe for fewer specialist articles, fewer articles like this one. Manxruler (talk) 18:14, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Paglipas ng Dilim

• ... that Precioso Palma's 1920 zarzuela Paglipas ng Dilim ("After the Darkness") exposed the negative effects of the intermingling of the languages and cultures from three countries?

Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 04:47, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• The other article I reviewed is Terry Fullerton.- AnakngAraw (talk) 04:48, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't understand it. Can somebody try to put it into plain English please? Lightmouse (talk) 10:38, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• Is your comment an insult to a native speaker of Philippine English, which is based on American English? - AnakngAraw (talk) 14:49, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

It's not intended as an insult. If you drew that conclusion, I'm sorry. Lightmouse (talk) 16:17, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• Okay fine, did copyediting for the whole article. - AnakngAraw (talk) 16:50, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm. I didn't mean the article. I can see why you were offended now! I just meant the hook. Lightmouse (talk) 16:54, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• Anakng, a few comments: "zarzuela", among a lot of non-English text ... it's not explained in the opening sentence of the DYK article, either. And I've always believed readers shouldn't have to divert to a link to get something basic about the meaning. I've found now that it's "a Spanish lyric-dramatic genre". I like the mention of the year (often missing from hooks), but ... which three countries? What is the language used in the hook? What country? Hooks can sometimes work very well with a "weird" or "curiosity" factor, where information is deliberately withheld. Here, it's gobbledy to me, I'm afraid (but has potential). Can you think about how to make the hook more effective, please? ARTICLE: unsure why common English words are linked, such as "play" and "playwright". Why is "Filipino man" piped to "bachelor", etc.? Also, Rule F5: Dashes (WP:DASH) – do you have the dash script? It's almost infallible and widely used. Tony (talk) 17:07, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

ALT 1: ... that Precioso Palma's 1920 zarzuela Paglipas ng Dilim (After the Darkness) was an attempt to expose the negative outcome of the mixing of Filipino and Western cultures, including languages?

ALT 2: ... that Precioso Palma's 1920 zarzuela Paglipas ng Dilim (After the Darkness) was an attempt to expose the negative outcome of the mixing of the cultures and languages of the Philippines, Spain, and the United States?

Suggesting Alts 1 & 2. - AnakngAraw (talk) 17:10, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Did further copyedits based on Tony's comments. - AnakngAraw (talk) 17:29, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

ALT 3: ... that Precioso Palma's 1920 zarzuela Paglipas ng Dilim (After the Darkness) exposed the negative outcome of the intermingling of Filipino and Western cultures, including languages?

ALT 4: ... that Precioso Palma's 1920 zarzuela Paglipas ng Dilim (After the Darkness) exposed the negative outcome of the intermingling of the cultures and languages of the Philippines, Spain, and the United States? - AnakngAraw (talk) 17:37, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

AnakngAraw, thanks for your further effort on this. How about:

• ALT 5: ... that the Philippine play Paglipas ng Dilim (After the Darkness) tackles the conflicts of mixing cultures from the Philippines, Spain, and the United States?

Lightmouse (talk) 21:38, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• I agree with ALT 5. - AnakngAraw (talk) 22:12, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• Good for me. Lightmouse (talk) 08:28, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Shigeo Satomura

• ... that Shigeo Satomura introduced the ultrasonic Doppler techniques to practical medical diagnostics in the 1950s?

• Reviewed: Gottfried Schloemer

5x expanded by Materialscientist (talk). Self nom at 06:34, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• good, No problems! ready for DYK .. roh. (talk) 08:22, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

An article worthy of the encyclopedia. But can we make a DYK claim that Wikipedia readers would find extraordinary? Lightmouse (talk) 16:49, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, its not that catchy, thus

• ALT1... that Shigeo Satomura introduced ultrasonic Doppler techniques to medical diagnostics in the 1950s that allowed non-invasive monitoring of blood flow in human body? or

• ALT2... that Shigeo Satomura pioneered non-invasive monitoring of blood flow in human body using ultrasonic Doppler techniques in the 1950s? See ref. 1 and correct those clumsy hooks if you see how to say it better. I would prefer ALT1 because it is safer factually (we can see vein pulsation without any device). Materialscientist (talk) 22:58, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

How about making it shorter and directing people at the link you want (the other links are in the article anyway):

ALT3... that Shigeo Satomura introduced ultrasonic Doppler techniques in the 1950s for non-invasive monitoring of blood flow?

Lightmouse (talk)

Well, Materialscientist's "pioneered" lifted it for me. Tony (talk) 07:44, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

OK. I'm happy with either ALT2 or ALT3. Lightmouse (talk) 09:13, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

The Fly-fisher's Entomology

• ... that Alfred Ronalds' The Fly-fisher's Entomology (1836) was the first work on fly fishing to illustrate named artificial flies and their counterpart natural insects?

• Reviewed: Theodore W. Brevard

Created by Mike Cline (talk). Self nom at 13:24, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• Creation date was actually 21st June, but still within the "deadline". Length, referencing and hook claim are fine; the relevant reference is an offline source (book). Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 21:12, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I am continually surprised by the misunderstanding of creation date for DYK purposes. Selection Criteria, section 1-New, bullet point 4 could not be any clearer--Articles that have been worked on exclusively in a user or user talk subpage and then moved (or in some cases pasted) to the article mainspace are considered new as of the date they reach the mainspace.. This article reached the mainspace on June 26th. --Mike Cline (talk) 21:55, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, my apologies—I should have checked the history more closely. Sorry about that! Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 22:05, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

King Creole

• ... that the 1958 King Creole, based on the novel A Stone for Danny Fisher,

was set to be starred by James Dean as a New York boxer, but ultimately after his death the role went to Elvis Presley as a New Orleans club singer? Created/expanded by GDuwen (talk). Self nom at 16:34, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Three to four day old article. That means it is still new. Ref cited to offline source. Accepting in good faith. Length way beyond the minimum. Good to go. - AnakngAraw (talk) 03:50, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Could you apply the style guides? Date format comma, spaced dash for full dates; "The New York Times gave a favorable review to the movie"—did they mail it? Please consider avoiding a left-side pic adjacent to the infobox. Narrow screens will squash the text badly. Why not a 240px pic, anyway? Promising article, and good work thus far. Tony (talk) 07:53, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

The Stars in the Bright Sky

• ... that The Herald said the character Manda from Alan Warner's 2010 novel The Stars in the Bright Sky was "the most vivid, aggravating lynchpin in recent Scottish fiction"?

Created by Deserter1 (talk). Self nom at 19:31, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

New article, hook properly cited, length within requirement. Passed. - AnakngAraw (talk) 03:44, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 27

Lymm Hall

• ... that the rose garden at Lymm Hall in Cheshire, England, was Edward Kemp's first recorded commission?

• Reviewed: Great Mosque of al-Nuri (Mosul)

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 15:41, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

• Date, length good, AGF on offline ref. Rlendog (talk) 17:31, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Norma Lyon

• ... that although Norma Lyon studied animal science at the present Iowa State University, she was best known for sculpting butter?

• Reviewed: Dr. John R. Drish House ([37])
• Comment: If anyone could find the name of the school in the mid-1940s and add it, I would be grateful. I would take a shot in the dark, but since I am unfamiliar with the school, I am wary of doing so.

Created by Jokestress (talk). Nominated by Ktr101 (talk) at 03:28, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

School was Iowa State College of Agricultural and Mechanic Arts until 1959, when it became Iowa State University of Science and Technology Jokestress (talk) 09:03, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I have modified the hook to say that as well as fixing it to sound more interesting. It does look to be misleading though but until I can find information on her job, that will have to do. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 20:17, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

• ... that although Norma Lyon studied animal science at Iowa State University, she ended up sculpting butter at state fairs after being influenced by artist in residence Christian Petersen?

• ... that dairy farmer and sculptress Norma Lyon, the "Butter Cow Lady", appeared on To Tell the Truth in 1963 and on Late Night with David Letterman 17 years later?

Created by Jokestress (talk). Nominated by Frank (talk) at 23:38, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
Reviewed Ephraim McLean Brank  Frank  |  talk  00:11, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Dr. John R. Drish House

• ... that the Dr. John R. Drish House (pictured) in Tuscaloosa, Alabama has reportedly been the site of ghost lights and fires?

Created by Altairisfar (talk). Self nom at 01:48, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

• It's good. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 03:29, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Leotia lubrica

• ... that jelly babies are considered inedible?

5x expanded by J Milburn (talk). Self nom at 23:23, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Gudea cylinders J Milburn (talk) 23:29, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

really like this one good to go. Jim Sweeney (talk) 10:17, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Gudea cylinders

• ... that the Gudea cylinders are the longest literary composition ever found in the Sumerian language?

Created by Paul Bedson (talk). Self nom at 23:55, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Ömer Bey Turahanoğlu
• Length, date, references, image etc. all check out. Very nice work. J Milburn (talk) 23:28, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Great Mosque of al-Nuri (Mosul)

A leaning cylindrical tower seen through a pointed archway

• ... that the leaning minaret of the Great Mosque of al-Nuri in Mosul, Iraq, reputedly gained its tilt after it bowed to the prophet Muhammad?

Created today by User:Aa2-2004, 5x expanded by Prioryman (talk). Self nom at 22:44, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Holden Thorp. Prioryman (talk) 22:49, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Date, length, hook OK. Offline ref AGF. Interesting article. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 15:33, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

David Wallis Reeves

• ... that John Philip Sousa considered David Wallis Reeves "The Father of Band Music in America"?

5x expanded by SarekOfVulcan (talk). Self nom at 19:56, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• Not quite 5x: (420B here, 1861 here). These sources may help:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=I6sgAAAAIBAJ&sjid=T2kFAAAAIBAJ&pg=3720,2634285&dq=david+wallis+reeves&hl=en

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/csmonitor_historic/access/314784372.html?dids=314784372:314784372&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:AI&date=Jun+21%2C+1926&author=&pub=Christian+Science+Monitor&desc=REEVES+FOUNTAIN+DEDICATED&pqatl=google  Frank  |  talk  20:32, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• NOTE: Hook itself is good; short and to the point; sources confirm.  Frank  |  talk  20:35, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

How about now? --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 22:34, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Looks good now.  Frank  |  talk  02:33, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

SS Ava (1855), Julia Selina Inglis, John Frederic Inglis, Alfred Inglis, James Little (physician)

• …when the SS Ava was wrecked off the coast of Ceylon in February 1858, her passengers included Lady Julia Inglis and her sons, John and Alfred, who were evacuees from the Siege of Lucknow, and the ship’s doctor, James Little, who was later to become Honorary Physician to King George V?

• Reviewed: Tonogayato Garden & Cecilia Santiago
• Comment: Articles originally created in user space and transferred into main space on 27 June 2011. At present I am struggling to find 5 DYK proposals to review

Created by Daemonic Kangaroo (talk). Self nom at 19:45, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• (SS Ava) Length OK, discounting the three blocks of quoted text and the "Other ships" section (should be a shipindex page). Moved to mainspace on date stated. Ref checks out. Will be happy to pass once issues raised with DK on his talk page have been addressed. Mjroots (talk) 10:24, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

• (SS Ava (1855)). DK has made the suggested changes, this particular article is ready, the others still need to be done. Mjroots (talk) 20:06, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Tonogayato Garden

• ... that Tonogayato Garden in Kokubunji, Tokyo is built on the terraced cliffs of Musashino, with a lawn on the hilltop overlooking a bamboo forest and pond at the bottom?

Created by Irina Gelbukh (talk). Nominated by Prioryman (talk) at 18:39, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Meine Seel erhebt den Herren, BWV 10. Prioryman (talk) 18:47, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• Length, creation date, picture and sources all OK. Could the creator check the map co-ordinates I've added to the article? Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 20:02, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• The coords are correct, thanks for adding them. Prioryman (talk) 21:24, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Ömer Bey Turahanoğlu

• ... that after the Ottoman general Ömer Bey Turahanoğlu wiped out one of Dracula's armies in 1462, he deposited 2,000 severed heads at the feet of Sultan Mehmed II?

Created by Cplakidas (talk). Nominated by Prioryman (talk) at 17:28, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Lower Huxley Hall. Prioryman (talk) 17:42, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
• Really good looking article. Anything with Dracula in the hook is going to do well. Length and date checked. Hook reference offline but accepted in good faith. Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 22:47, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Holden Thorp

• ... that University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Chancellor Holden Thorp won $500 at age 17 in a regional contest for the fastest time solving a Rubik's Cube puzzle?

5x expanded by Frank (talk). Self nom at 13:15, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed David Wallis Reeves  Frank  |  talk  20:34, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• Nice article, good to go. Prioryman (talk) 22:47, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Pholiota communis

• ... that young mushrooms of Pholiota communis (pictured) are sticky?

• Comment: nice pic to use

Created by Casliber (talk), Sasata (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 08:31, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• reviewed Chavruta Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:45, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• Length, creation date and source OK. Source says viscid not sticky but thankfully, viscid means sticky. --Mike Cline (talk) 13:56, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Déjame Entrar (Carlos Vives song)

• ... that "Déjame Entrar" by Colombian singer-songwriter Carlos Vives was awarded the Latin Grammy Award for Best Tropical Song?

Created by Jaespinoza (talk) 06:26, 27 June 2011 (UTC). Self nom at 06:25, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• All DYK criteria met. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 13:23, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Nehru Setu

• ... that the Nehru Setu, built in 1900, is the second longest railway bridge in India?

Created by Chandan Guha (talk). Self nom at 01:35, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

A freshly written article, length validated, ref cited, with different wordings though. Good to go. - AnakngAraw (talk) 03:55, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't think the second at anything counts per se as extraordinary.

• Selection criterion 3: A hook fact is assumed to be "an extraordinary claim".

Lightmouse (talk) 12:00, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Okay, here is an alternative hook - ... that the Nehru Setu, built in 1900, was for more than a century, the longest railway bridge in India, and has been pushed to second position, this year? - Chandan Guha (talk) 12:31, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Much better! Fine by me now. Lightmouse (talk) 16:00, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 28

The Cenotaph, Whitehall

• ... that The Cenotaph, Whitehall replaced a wood-and-plaster cenotaph erected in 1919 for the Allied Victory Parade?

Created by Thom2002 (talk). Self nom at 22:07, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

• Date and length okay, but hook is not properly cited (only a title provided and nothing else). Also, much of the article is not cited. – VisionHolder « talk » 01:04, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Ephraim McLean Brank

• ... that according to an account by an anonymous British officer, the marksmanship of Kentucky rifleman Ephraim McLean Brank (pictured) contributed more than anything else to the British defeat at the Battle of New Orleans?

• Reviewed: Maurice Fargues ([38])
• Comment: Article should still meet the length requirement, even without the lengthy quote.

Created by Acdixon (talk). Self nom at 20:28, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
Looks good (length is OK, even without the lengthy quote). Added URL to page where info appears.  Frank  |  talk  00:10, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Die Himmel erzählen die Ehre Gottes, BWV 76

• ... that Bach's second cantata as cantor in Leipzig, Die Himmel erzählen die Ehre Gottes, BWV 76, first performed in the Thomaskirche (pictured), is "in every way ... one of Bach's largest cantatas"?

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 15:36, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

• reviewed: #Ujarrás, cantata hopefully to appear between 3 July and 8 July, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:26, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Bjørn Bjørnsen

• ... that Norwegian journalist Bjørn Bjørnsen started his journalistic career when 15 years old?

5x expanded by Eisfbnore (talk). Self nom at 15:22, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

• I reviewed SS Noemijulia below. --Eisfbnore ^talk 15:37, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Cecilia Santiago

• ... that by making her debut in the 2011 FIFA Women's World Cup at the age of 16, Cecilia Santiago became the youngest-ever goalkeeper to appear in a World Cup?

Created by Number 57 (talk). Self nom at 14:00, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed 225th (Parachute) Field Ambulance Number 57 14:02, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

The articles cited both say that she was the "youngest keeper of either sex to play in a World Cup", not the youngest player. Can you re-check and add another reference to confirm the hook, or correct the hook? Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 18:44, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Oops, sorry about that. Somehow I misread all the sources (I blame only getting about three hours of sleep last night). Hook corrected. Number 57 19:29, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Length, creation date and source OK, Everything now checks out. Good to go! Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 19:49, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

SS Noemijulia

• ... that after British Corporal, Noemijulia was the second British ship bombed by Spanish Nationalists in the month of August 1937?

• Reviewed: TBA

Created by Mjroots (talk). Self nom at 11:21, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

• Date and length check out but the article says nothing about May 1937. --Eisfbnore ^talk 15:37, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

• That's because it was August 1937 - hook corrected. Mjroots (talk) 19:41, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

225th (Parachute) Field Ambulance

• ... that the 225th (Parachute) Field Ambulance a British airborne forces unit, became responsible for the medical welfare of German U-Boat crews?

Self nom Jim Sweeney (talk) 10:08, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Leotia lubrica listed 27 June

• Offline ref, but AGF and looks good. Number 57 14:00, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Walang Sugat

• ... that the Philippine play Walang Sugat ("Not Wounded") was a statement against imperialism by its author, the father of the Tagalog zarzuela?

Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 02:36, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

• The article I reviewed, other than my own nomination, is King Creole.- AnakngAraw (talk) 02:38, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
• All check out. ceradon 23:38, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Wedlock (band)

• ... that Paul Allgood and Chris Scendo of the band Wedlock have released new material online, and have signed a two record deal with their new label Exquisite Noise?

Created by Kthapelo (talk). Self nom at 21:05, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

• I reviewed Walang Sugat. ceradon 23:40, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

William L. Brandon

• ... that William L. Brandon, a Confederate officer, had to have his leg amputated after a ball went through it?

Created by Ceradon (talk). Self nom at 23:27, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 29

Rami Levi Shivuk Hashikma

• ... that you can buy chicken for 1 shekel a kilo (13 cents a pound) at Rami Levi supermarkets?

• Reviewed: Jerbourg Point ([39])

Created by Yoninah (talk). Self nom at 00:55, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Special occasion holding area

Please do not nominate new articles for a special time in this section. Instead, nominate them in the candidate entries section above, under the date the article was created or the expansion began, and indicate your request for a specially timed appearance on the main page.

Note: Articles nominated for a special occasion should be nominated (i) within five days of creation or expansion, as usual, and (ii) between five days and six weeks before the occasion, to give reviewers time to check the nomination. April Fools' Day is an exception to these requirements; see Wikipedia:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know.

July 1 (Canada Day)

Declaration of war by Canada

• ... that other than the Second World War, there has never been a declaration of war by Canada?

• Reviewed: Bardhyl Ajeti ([40])
• Comment: Could this hook be saved for an appearance on Canada Day (July 1)?

Created by OCNative (talk). Self nom at 11:49, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

• date length and hook verified Jim Sweeney (talk) 22:03, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Moving it to Canada Day's section. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:10, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

This is your ideal DYK. Punchy, short, arresting. Tony (talk) 16:58, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Tony! OCNative (talk) 00:22, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Hockey: Canada's Royal Winter Game

• ... that Hockey: Canada's Royal Winter Game, published in 1899, was the first book on ice hockey, but only four copies are now known to exist?

• Reviewed: Czerwono-Czarni

Created by Maxim (talk). Self nom at 21:03, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• , accepting offline refs and suggest adding of project tags to talk page. BarkingMoon (talk) 01:00, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

• Might I suggest this be moved to the Special Occasion Holding Area for July 1, Canada Day? OCNative (talk) 11:11, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

• I don't have any particular preference as to when it's run. Do as you think is best. Maxim_(talk) 19:39, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Yay, hockey! Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:09, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Wikisource now has the complete copy. Possibly a link to it embedded in the text of the hook, from the anchor "book", or isn't that allowed? The focus of interest barely passes, IMO. What might inject impact into the hook could come from knowing how little was written about any sport in the terms taken by the book. That would require 15 mins of searching on your part. I'd love something like "... hockey]] and one of the most detailed of its day on any sport?" But only if it's true.  :-) Tony (talk) 13:14, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• It's difficult to judge with regards to a comparison, because only four copies of the book are known to exist. Would something like "... was the first book on ice hockey, but only four copies are known to exist?" work? I think external links are frowned upon in DYK, but maybe Wikisource could be an exception? This would be best answered by someone with more DYK experience. Maxim_(talk) 16:58, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Yes, works for me. Consider "still known to exist". Tony (talk) 13:50, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• I've amended the hook per your suggestion. Thanks, Maxim_(talk) 22:50, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• For clarity's sake, here's the icon. OCNative (talk) 12:34, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

July 2

NCAA Season 87

• ... that the 87th season of the NCAA kicks off today at the Araneta Coliseum?

• Comment: Requested date: July 2

Created by Howard the Duck (talk). Self nom at 18:27, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

• Date, length, hook ref all verified. Please review another hook to get the go-ahead. Yoninah (talk) 22:49, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Vochol. –HTD 06:28, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• Date, length, hook ref all verified. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 09:10, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

July 10

Terry Fullerton

• ... that triple Formula One world champion Ayrton Senna cited Terry Fullerton, his teammate in their karting days, as the driver he felt most satisfied racing against throughout his career?

• Comment: The day of the 2011 British Grand Prix

Created by Donnie Park (talk). Self nom at 22:23, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

All aspects checked. But please cover all of the bare links. - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:32, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

I was going to fill them in but sice it has been done, I wish to thank Materialscientist for helping to cover all the bare link which I forgot to do yesterday. Donnie Park (talk) 16:32, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Ready to be DYK'd. - AnakngAraw (talk) 17:27, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

July 12

Leroy Petry

• ... that on July 12, Leroy Petry (pictured) will become only the second living soldier to receive the Medal of Honor for actions since the end of the Vietnam War?

Created by TomPointTwo (talk), RightCowLeftCoast (talk). Nominated by Jwillbur (talk) at 00:42, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

• Hook, reference, length, and date all check out. Note that I added (pictured) to hook for image. Thanks, Ruby2010 comment! 00:49, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

• Note: I listed the article creator (TomPointTwo) and the most prolific editor (RightCowLeftCoast) as the authors, but a number of others have added to the article as well. Also, can this item be held until the date of the presentation ceremony, July 12? — jwillbur 00:54, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Wow, impeccable timing. Items can be held for a maximum of six weeks, and this article was created exactly six weeks before July 12. If the nominator consents to my ALT hook (or proposes another ALT hook), I will be happy to move this to the Special Occasion Holding Area (the ALT obviously only works on July 12):
ALT1... that today, Leroy Petry (pictured) becomes only the second living soldier to receive the Medal of Honor for actions after the end of the Vietnam War? OCNative (talk) 05:37, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Your alt hook looks great, thank you. — jwillbur 06:32, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Based on Ruby2010's approval of the date, length, and references for this nomination, this is approved with ALT1 and moved to the Special Occasion Holding Area for July 12. OCNative (talk) 03:03, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps it should say 'American' or 'U.S.' somewhere in the hook. The Medal of Honor link should be changed also, as it points to a dab page. --Soman (talk) 01:38, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

I had typed Medal of Honour... anyway, it is still a bit ambigous. There are various other medals with similar names. --Soman (talk) 01:40, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

How about Congressional Medal of Honor or the U.S. Congressional Medal of Honor? While technical incorrect, that moniker has always been specificially associated with this particular American military decoration. Also, using the link Congressional Medal of Honor will re-direct the reader to the appropriate article. Marcd30319 (talk) 18:25, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

July 26

Tatiana von Metternich-Winneburg

• ... that Princess Tatiana von Metternich-Winneburg turned the East Wing of Schloss Johannisberg (pictured) into a concert hall for the Rheingau Musik Festival?

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 20:03, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• Date, length OK. Foreign-language hook ref AGF. Two things: Could we identify her somehow? Like: "... that German patron of the arts Tatiana von Metternich-Winneburg..." or "... that Princess Tatiana von Metternich-Winneburg..."? Also, could you review another hook? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 20:23, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• edit conflict: I reviewed #Peter Child[41], took me a moment, smile. "Princess" is fine, German patron of the arts seems a bit too narrow, as she was of Russian origin and a writer, artist and charity benefactor also. You could also say "the last member of the House of Metternich", but that seems a bit longish to me. She died 5 years ago on 26 July, that might be a good date to promote this. I wonder if I should add more details (Berlin years, 600 km treck ...) or leave them in the sources to be discovered by interest readers. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:35, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• OK, I added "Princess" to the hook. If you have the additional biographical information, I think it's good to add it, considering that many of your sources are in German. But the length as it stands now is fine for DYK. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 21:17, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• Additional details are in the Telegraph obituary, available in English (the German sources are minor in length and don't supply much more). I will read the Missie diary and look for more there. What do you think of 26 July? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:44, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• I think you can fit it in under 200 char, but is it interesting?
• ALT1: ... that Princess Tatiana von Metternich-Winneburg, who died five years ago today, turned the East Wing of Schloss Johannisberg (pictured) into a concert hall for the Rheingau Musik Festival? Yoninah (talk) 22:11, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• Well, the festival always has impressive flowers on her grave right next to the Basilika (should I mention the location in the article?) on the anniversary of her death. This is a bit like it, thanks. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:51, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• I'm not crazy about the alt. Can we stick with the original? Yoninah (talk) 21:29, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• Yes. Can we just run it that day? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:04, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• Sure, why not? Original hook good to go. Yoninah (talk) 22:09, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• Moved hook to July 26, fifth anniversary of the Princess' death. Yoninah (talk) 22:12, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

See also

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