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Ganges

How on earth is a reference undue? Suggest you rethink that one, this is getting silly --Snowded ^TALK 17:28, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Good question, See wp:UNDUE, An article should not give undue weight to any aspects of the subject but should strive to treat each aspect with a weight appropriate to its significance to the subject. For example, discussion of isolated events, criticisms, or news reports about a subject may be verifiable and neutral, but still be disproportionate to their overall significance to the article topic. How significant is faecal bacteria level at one place,to have it in the lead? Thanks for asking and not reverting right away.Yogesh Khandke (talk) 17:35, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

It is a REFERENCE in support of a statement, it is not text. You really should self revert you know, I'll leave it for a bit to give you a chance --Snowded ^TALK 17:38, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

I don't understand please explain.Yogesh Khandke (talk) 17:39, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

If you are refering to Green diary source,[1] it is the same source for the next sentence, so removed one occurence. The Ganges ranks among the top five most polluted rivers of the world with fecal coliform levels in the river near Varanasi more than hundred times the official Indian government limits.. Pollution threatens not only humans, but also more than 140 fish species, 90 amphibian species and the endangered Ganges river dolphin., your next edit was ''The [[World Bank]] estimates that the health costs of water pollution in India equal three per cent of India's [[GDP]].<ref name=bharati/> It has also been suggested that eighty per cent of all illnesses in India and one-third of deaths can be attributed to water-borne diseases.<ref>''[2] World bank estimates are irrelevant, for this article which is about a river, and not a general topic such as India, or health in India or disease.Yogesh Khandke (talk) 18:20, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

I won't be around to answer you on this, not soon anyways. Thanks again.Yogesh Khandke (talk) 20:12, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you

		The Modest Barnstar
		Thanks for your recent contributions! -Mike Restivo (talk) 20:19, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Comments/suggestions welcome on India discussion page.

Hi, Does this edit look good? References for Bharat ie India

1. Bharat i.e. India is mentioned explicitly as explanation.

2. realm of Bharat, India

3. Search with name "bhArata"

4. Search with bhArata - "{varSa} n. `" king BhñBharatas's realm "' i.e. India" (Incidentally also gives one amongst many explanation of bharata as Bharata of a Manu (who gave the name to the country Bha1rata) ib. ; of a son of Manu Bhautya Ma1rkP. ;

5. Bharatvarsha i.e. India

My suggestion: India (/ˈɪndiə/) also Bhārat̪ ([ˈbʱaːrət̪] , lit. land that comprises as Bhāratavarsha) (Hindi: भारत; see official names of India) officially the Republic of India (Hindi: भारत गणराज्य Bhāratiya Gaṇarājya), is a country in South Asia.

References from other wikipedia pages for conventions etc.:

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names)#India gives idea about pages in India which can be improved also when needed.

2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganges_River : The Ganges (English pronunciation: /ˈɡændʒiːz/ GAN-jeez;) or Ganga, (Sanskrit: गङ्गा Hindi: गंगा Urdu: گنگا Ganga IPA: [ˈɡəŋɡaː] ( listen); Bengali: গঙ্গা Gônga), is a.... - Notice the "or" word.

3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangetic_Plains : The Indo-Gangetic Plains also known as the Northern Plains and The North Indian River Plain is a large... - Notice the "also known as part" for different names based on Ganga and Indian words, for the same.

4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aravalli_Range : The Aravalli Range literally meaning 'line of peaks',[1] is a... - Notice the literal meaning explained along with references.

Some other examles:

5. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liancourt_Rocks#cite_note-0 : notice The Liancourt Rocks, also known as Dokdo or Tokto (독도/獨島, literally "solitary island") in Korean or Takeshima (たけしま/竹島?, literally "bamboo island") in Japanese,[1] are ... . - Notice the meaning given also along with words, the names are all English and references of sources for explanation).

6. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trentino-Alto_Adige/S%C3%BCdtirol : Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol[4] (German: Trentino-Südtirol;[5] Italian: Trentino-Alto Adige .... - Many English names, notice the sites for constitution of Italy, eurostat, and Italian documents referenced for clarity.

7. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voblast : - Voblast is a loaned word in English, which means something similar to ... in other words something similar to administrative division but in respective understanding not strictly bound by translation.

8. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A3o_Paulo_(state) - notice "ã" in São. I want to say that putting ā in Bhārat should be accepted, and not avoided.

9. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_Manual_of_Style_(regional) - it is possible to have a varied site for India related article in separate category in Manual style region wise, so as to have information adhering incorporating Devanagari script, the tendency to view as as lively and not as "things" and so on, or be incorporated in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names)#India

Thanks..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर | असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. 19:49, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

All the best

Hope you come out with flying colors in the personal issues keeping you off Wikipedia and in General too! ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर | असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. Humour Thisthat2011 20:27, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Need comments on this RFC - [| discussion]

Need your views and comments. One should also go through ['no consensus' discussion]. ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर | असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. Humour Thisthat2011 06:59, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Tibet on South Asia

Quigley seems to want to start a discussion on the inclusion of Tibet in South Asia. Please chime in if you can. You are being informed of this as you took part in similar discussions on Talk:South Asia in the past. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 08:24, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

An Invite to join the WikiProject Education in India

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Hi, Yogesh Khandke, you are graciously extended an invitation to join the Indian Education ! The WikiProject Indian Education is an evolving and expanding WikiProject. We are a group of editors who are dedicated to creating, revising, and expanding articles, lists, categories and Wikiprojects, to do with anything related to Indian Education System(Schools,Colleges and Universities).
As you have shown an interest in article related to Education in India we thought you might like to take an interest in this growing WikiProject.Thank you for your contributions.
We look forward to welcoming you to the project!

naveenpf (talk) 18:12, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

cleanup of the 4 way test suggestions

the part where you explain the 4 way test could be made a little easier to read by putting it in some sort of table or vertical list instead of one sentence.Thebestofall007 (talk) 06:40, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Your Wikibreak

I saw your message, good luck and hope to see you back at some point in the future. I've been off Wikipedia (and will continue to be on and off) too for not too different reasons. I still feel that an "on-Wikipedia" solution is still possible and I prefer that approach. However if certain editors-admins do not look at the bigger picture, I have a feeling that the real-world community will get involved and things should take care of themselves. The latest "administrative action" is to block and ban editors who don't want their castes to be labelled as Shudra. No sympathy towards editors who do not/cannot follow WP rules but I'm not sure the administrative action shows any maturity or an attempt to understand the underlying issue. What was the average age of the typical Wikipedia editor? Zuggernaut (talk) 17:13, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Good to see you back

Hi, Nice to see some reply on India page. It is strange to see hardly any mention of Hinduism and anything positive (including Gupta Dynasty times) on Hinduism on the page, but slowly I am understanding the western state of mind which I have come to know is more about 'civilizing heathens' etc. Was reading some stuff over the internet, which I am sure you would have some idea of, such as 1, etc. Indeed how disappointing and frustrating for Hindus in America when Hindus are insulted in classrooms even.

About India, if you have time, you could go through the discussion India=Bharata & RFC, where for one whole month I presented sources on 'Bharata' (on India page!) as 'English name' of the country! But then, it seems the page is special and has special needs for sources from heathens but casual 'modern english' sources are by default assumed as acceptable. Just my 2 cents, but what a sorry state of affairs on Wikipedia.

I also found some quite amusing links on the internet, full of covert propaganda, 1, 2 etc, and some links explaining the discourse of scorn on Hinduism such as 1, this is well written; some material on voi.org, bharatvani.org/, etc. (which is banned on Wikipedia because it is 'right wing', which means if some Hindu mentions that Muslims/Christians broke temples then it is the Hindu who is fascist not those who broke temples in the name of God), and so on. It is no surprise to me that the whole discourse is ignorant/deceiving of Hinduism though I must mention some things interesting I read somewhere like 'those who live by rules of the jungle, die by rules of the jungle'( from Raamaayana, Raama to Sugriva); 'No one can do aDharma without ultimately paying a price for it'( Krishna in Mahabhaarata), and so on.

The question here is why do all the tantrums which will ultimately be wasted. Just thinking aloud here. ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर | असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. Humour Thisthat2011 16:03, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Please read wp:GREATWRONGS. Also, a web-site is not a good source, peer reviewed secondary sources are good sources. You are right, or should I say the rule is of the ghatayantrachakra, what is full is emptied and what is empty is filled. rikt: bhavanti bharit: bharit: cha rikt:Yogesh Khandke (talk) 16:13, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

"Therefore, considering that work has to be performed with detachment, you perform it, considering yourself a non-agent. This will be declared in the words 'with detachment' and 'which ought to be done" - translation of my sign, as described on my page here. ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर | असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. Humour Thisthat2011 16:21, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks!Yogesh Khandke (talk) 02:44, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Param Vir Chakra

	Param Vir Chakra award for defending Ganga and India
	I would like to award you this medal for defending articles from the system. Zuggernaut (talk) 13:45, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

In vain?Yogesh Khandke (talk) 13:58, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Well it's a start. Future "generations" will try the move again since you've set the precedent and given it visibility. Plus you fractured your wrist :) Zuggernaut (talk) 14:07, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks nevertheless!Yogesh Khandke (talk) 14:09, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Soapboxing on talk:India

Hi,

Could you please get some diff.s you mention from archive/history please? That will throw some light on credibility of those calling me soapboxers, biased and ignorant! ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर | असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. Humour Thisthat2011 11:39, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

It is useless until there is a critical mass, Zuggernaut tried the formal route, it bommeranged on him, wonder how he got back, well you need to read contributions, there is enough evidence of wp:OR, wp:SYNTHESIS, wp:SOAPBOX, wp:ETIQUETTE. There has to be a critical mass first. Also you should be careful of wp:TAGTEAM.Yogesh Khandke (talk) 11:57, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Yogesh. we need a critical mass. For the longest time Brits followed the policy of "Divide & Rule" and ruled India and unfortunately see the same going on now on WP. That there is a deep WP:BIAS on WP is something most people accept. Can having editors from minority demographic groups help improve things - yes. We need to focus and pick the debates wisely and be realistic what we can hope to achieve. Otherwise the term "Hindu nationalist" will continuously be thrown around and people will keep getting away with it.--Wikireader41 (talk) 01:21, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Agree. Support.Yogesh Khandke (talk) 11:34, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Agree. I don't want to sound pessimistic but getting the critical mass is at least 4-5 years away as the demographics are only beginning to shift. That does not mean we should not try, but, in addition to editing articles, there should be an equal emphasis on contributing to templates, editing Wikipedia policies, guidelines and essays. You can also post at the various Village pumps (see this). Right now, I'm seeing some not-so-nice remarks directed towards ThisThat2011 about his English - such comments should not discourage anyone. There is no need to know perfect English - get a spell checker (install Wiki-Ed), make sure the grammar is reasonable and go full speed ahead. People will often also taunt and bait you so that you make a legal threat or launch a personal attack and then quickly have you banned for doing so. Best thing to do is to stay focused on the content. Another problem reaching the critical mass is because admins like SpacemanSpiff block hundreds and perhaps thousands of editors because they may be "Hindu nationalists". I've just recently created a new template based on the conventional Wikipedia template. It's called {{Welcome-India}} and I've started using it via Twinkle to welcome India editors. I intend to use it to welcome IPs who would otherwise get blocked. You can use it too - takes a minute or two to get the thing working. Zuggernaut (talk) 15:13, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Another problem I see building a critical mass is the same problem that has plagued India over the millenia. We have multiple Indian language wikipedias including one in Sanskrit !! while it looks good superficially in reality it divides the contributors and takes away the time they could spend on English wikipedia countering the POV pushers from other English speaking countries. I know of some Indian editors who speak write perfect English but spend most of their time on their local language WP. I would much rather see WP invest in translation technology so that anybody can translate the English article into the language of his choice to read it. But I am sure many people in India will not agree with me on that. "Divide & Rule" has been a strategy used by people who do not want India to do well since way back when. so to tweak the statement above by Yogesh we need a critical mass of editors interested in India who want to edit in English.--Wikireader41 (talk) 15:35, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

@Zuggernaut. somebody should ask Spaceman & RGPK how many "Christian racists" they have blocked or if they think that Racism does not exist among Christians ;). Good job on the template.--Wikireader41 (talk) 15:42, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes good job on template. I would suggest to have a caution section where one could be suspended for various reasons, and how to positively contribute i.e. writing in your own words, not indulging in debates without secondary sources & not get emotional, etc.

As far as current discussion in considered, I would like to suggest some characteristics that one should be wise enough to have no bitterness regardless of what happens; recognize that there are responsible people in India and in all other countries. Ignoring things like these can lead to arguments where grounds become slippery on this side in absence of these characteristics and lead to Wikibans etc. ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर | असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. Humour Thisthat2011 16:10, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

About sources from my side

Hi,

The only reason my sources (presented here and earlier on talk pages, are ignored on talk:Kurmi is because there are no reasons to ignore it. User:MathewVanitas has explicitly commented, without any sources, that these amount to 'swaying' authorities and so on.

Why would anyone ignore these and call it disruptive? ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर | असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. Humour Thisthat2011 11:24, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

I still don't understand.Yogesh Khandke (talk) 11:31, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Here is crux of this. The sources mentioned by me are explicit about (1)social and (2)legal status of Kurmis as Kshatriyas. When I presented the source, it was assumed that it was so because of 'swaying' of authorities by Kurmi movements, which is incorrect(as per me).

The social status was recognized during 'debate' etc. with notable Pandit's views and reasons were given for varna too. (year 1907)

The official status was recognized by a Governor and there are also reasons given for it by the one who recommended so and accepted. (year 1896)

Both these processes by no way means 'swaying' authorities and mention explicit recognition of Kshatriya Varna. It is difficult to know how these are ignored on the talk page, there are no reasons given other than 'swaying' authorities logic. ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर | असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. Humour Thisthat2011 11:56, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Also, there are no issues with editing on main page as can be inspected on history page (here), it is talk page that I have presented sources. ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर | असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. Humour Thisthat2011 12:03, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Please see talk:Kurmi.Yogesh Khandke (talk) 12:32, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

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