Talk:LGBT symbols

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Phoenix

Is the phoenix-penis connection real or just a silly joke? 惑乱 分からん 14:36, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't know, but it might have had some relevance to the choice of illustration to appear on this cover: Image:Lady Chatterleys Lover.jpg . AnonMoos 12:38, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

That section appears to have been removed...Twitterpated. (talk) 18:40, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Red Ribbon

Although this is now seen as just for AIDS we should mention as it took years to make that distinction. Also, check out the commons link. Benjiboi 15:18, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Isn't there a rainbow ribbon too? Also, acoording to the [Lambda] website the White ribbon is sometimes used to represent Gay Teen Suicide awareness. 90.204.216.197 (talk) 21:56, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I think the rainbow ribbon is just one of many diversions following the success of the red ribbon to represent AIDS awareness. I think it deserves a mention in that respect, because I can remember the automatic assumption that those wearing it are gay - not sure of finding a reliable source that says that though. -- role^player 12:07, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Black triangle

According to the original chart I found and added to the article, the black triangle was not used to mark lesbians, prostitutes or women who used birth control as the article states. Instead, the black triangle was used to mark Germans shy of work (6th row from left) and other nationalities shy of work (7th and last row from left). So, ummm, eh? -- ALLSTARecho 15:58, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

I seem to remember that it did cover lesbians so more research makes sense. There's also that quaint notion that women aren't sexual ergo couldn't have sex without men so that may also play into it. Benjiboi 21:04, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

I found what I was looking for and have changed the paragraph about the black triangle to reflect why it was used. -- ALLSTARecho 21:45, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

The Reich viewed women as baby making machines so the idea that lesbians would therefore count as "Germans shy of work" does make sense, in a sick kind of way. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 12:09, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

It may 'make sense', but the evidence for it is very tenuous indeed. The main black triangle article cites discussions of this issue that seriously question whether the badge was ever used to identify lesbians, so this article should be changed accordingly. It should not say as if it were fact that the badge identified lesbians, when that is disputed. Paul B (talk) 15:01, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

"Arbeitsschau" translation may be contributing to confusion. "Shy of work" is literally correct, but colloquially inadequate. Better translations may include "Anti-social" or even"Lacking a sense of duty"; where "duty" refers to basic social contribution as well as having overtones of civilian state-loyalty. cite: I'm a native speaker of German. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.177.213.142 (talk) 20:42, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Leather

I have added a section on leather culture, but remain unsure on whether the leather pride flag is a "LGBT symbol". Afte ral, plenty of straight people are into it as well. Thoughts? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 12:20, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I think it's a little ambiguous -- the original leather culture was pretty strictly gay male, and though it has been claimed by some that the leather pride flag should not be considered an exclusively homosexual symbol, part of the reason why a number of other symbols were invented (BDSM Emblem, BDSM rights flag, Ring of O, etc.) seems to be that the Leather Pride flag was considered to have particular connotations which were too specific for a broad general BDSM symbol... AnonMoos (talk) 12:36, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

If we can cite this history, then lets include it just as it's laid out here, giving both the gay-specific interpretation, and the view that it's not just that. Aleta (Sing) 16:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

You can see a little of this at http://emblemproject.sagcs.net/history1.htm -- AnonMoos (talk) 00:15, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

By the way, there's a gallery Commons:Sexual_identity_symbols on Commons (thougb I don't know whether it should be linked from this article). AnonMoos (talk) 12:48, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I went ahead and added it. Aleta (Sing) 16:22, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

The symbol for the leather community at Stonewall 25 was a leather high-heel. Benjiboi 22:22, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Double-Moon Bisexuality Symbol?

In the article on Bisexuality, another symbol referred to as the "double-moon" is mentioned.

Quote: " This bisexual symbol is a double moon that is formed when the sex-specific attributes of the astrological symbol of Mars & Venus (representing heterosexual union) are reduced to the two circles open on both ends, thus symbolizing that bisexuals are open to either-sex unions...".

I think that this symbol should be included in this article, no?Twitterpated. (talk) 21:48, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Done. Aleta (Sing) 19:51, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Aww, thanks babe. =D Twitterpated. (talk) 21:27, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Glad to do it! :) Aleta (Sing) 23:03, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Lambda

The text notes that the Greek letter lambda (lower case, λ) was chosen as a symbol. I'm just curious as to why. Does it stand for Lesbos? Lacedaemon? or something else entirely? - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 15:32, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

HRC

What about the HRC yellow equal sign on the blue square? Should that be added here? Nanobri (talk) 15:32, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

No. It's a corporate logo/symbol and not a historic movement symbol. - ✰ALLSTAR✰ ^echo 17:50, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Science fiction LGBT!

I've been making some symbols to represent LGBT aliens and robots, just for making various science fiction sexuality articles more handsome with free art. Not suggesting they get used here (yet ;-) ), but if editors want a look and have any suggestions, i'd be glad to hear. See Gender in SF for example. I'm currently making the combination symbols for Lesbots and Gayliens. Yobmod (talk) 17:39, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't imagine that they'll have a place in this article -- but have you seen http://www.othermag.org/blog.php?p=209&c=1 ? AnonMoos (talk) 18:24, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the link1 I've seen them before, but fair use is a bit dubious to use them in an article :-/. Homosexuality in science fictionYobmod (talk) 13:00, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Specifying small number of pixels for image display

Adding specific small numbers such as "100px" to image tags, as was done in recent edits, is considered poor Wikipedia coding style in most cases... AnonMoos (talk) 10:27, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Agreed, but generally that needs to be explained directly to the editor. -- Banjeboi 12:32, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Freedom Rings

Found a couple articles about David Spada, designer of the Freedom Rings. http://www.nytimes.com/1992/06/21/style/thing-freedom-rings.html He worked with Keith Haring and Grace Jones. http://www.haring.com/cgi-bin/art_search_lrg.cgi?id=00326&search=Grace%20Jones&start=0 A brief obit says that he died at age 34, May 13, 1996. http://articles.courant.com/keyword/godspell/featured/3 --Larrybob (talk) 08:53, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Article renaming Proposal

I propose the article be renamed from LGBT to LGBTQ due to new sections that can be added on Genderqueer symbolism such as the Genderqueer Pride Flag and the Genderqueer symbol of of an interconnected G & Q Iamiyouareyou (talk) 17:08, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

OK I changed the name and the sidebar. Iamiyouareyou (talk) 23:31, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Looks good. CTJF83 13:06, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Rubber pride flag

The Leather pride symbol is in this article because there was a well-organized subculture of gay male Leathermen in the 1960s and 1970s which ended up being influential in several directions. However, I don't know of any strong association of rubber-fetishism with LGBTQ as compared to heterosexuals -- and since the person who added it to the article (User:Agge.se) doesn't seem to know of such an association either, I've removed it from the article, since I don't think we want it to end up being a general list of vaguely BDSM-related symbols... AnonMoos (talk) 10:51, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Should I start a article named "List of Pride Flags and various symbols for sexual gropes" instead whit the purpose to list different sexuality related flags and emblems on one location? Agge.se (talk) 10:57, 30 March 2011 (UTC) P.S. Do anyone have a better idea for a name for the article?

There is already a gallery commons:Sexual identity symbols on Commons, but if the Rubber pride image is on Wikipedia under "fair use", then it couldn't be uploaded to Commons. A simple image gallery wouldn't be welcome on Wikipedia, but if there were real information about each individual flag and symbol, then "List of pride flags and sexual identity symbols" might be successfully accepted on Wikipedia... AnonMoos (talk) 11:08, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Nice I didn’t know about that gallery I could begin a "stub" that would list flags and other symbols in the beginning it wouldn’t have description an all flags but with help form the community it think that it cold be interesting in the end. If I am to write any longer part of the page I will need help with checking spelling and formatting. Agge.se (talk) 11:26, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Might want to ask around on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject LGBT studies and/or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sexology and sexuality first... AnonMoos (talk) 12:05, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Various images

I've noticed that a number of the symbols added here are unsourced, and generally created by the uploader. Some don't seem to be used at all in the real world; for others, real-world usage seems to postdate - and copy from - their presence on wikipedia.
If people want to create cool new symbols and flags and display them to the world, there are many exciting websites for that purpose, but wikipedia is not one of them. This is an encyclopædia article; it should document things which are already widely used in the real world, not things which an editor recently made up. bobrayner (talk) 16:32, 28 July 2011 (UTC)