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SS John Stagg

I've replied to your question on the AfD page as to why I think John Stagg is notable. Mjroots (talk) 14:04, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

The article has been kept. Maybe you could expand a little with the sources you mentioned in the AfD nomination. Mjroots (talk) 10:48, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

SM U-14 (Austria-Hungary)

Hi. I am reviewing your article,SM U-14 (Austria-Hungary), for GA and have left comments at Talk:SM U-14 (Austria-Hungary)/GA1. I may be adding more comments, although reading through the article, all seems in order, except for the lead. Please do not hesitate to contact me with questions or comments. Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 17:12, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Gordon E. Williams

You edited this, you may be interested in commenting on its deletion: Gordon E. Williams

TfD nomination of FS1037C-related talk templates

Template:FS1037C talk and Template:FS1037C MS188 talk have been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. --Eastlaw (talk) 01:40, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for SM U-14 (Austria-Hungary)

On January 18, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article SM U-14 (Austria-Hungary), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 00:00, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for SS Milazzo

On January 18, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article SS Milazzo, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 00:00, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

List of ship launches in 1946

Hi, you re-ordered the table and unbolded the ship names. The result is that this table is now completely different in apperarance to all the others. I'd have thought it better to have a consistent format across these lists. Mjroots (talk) 06:40, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Since it's a list of ships, I felt it important to, you know, actually list the ship somewhat early in the table. If the article were title "Chronological list of countries' shipyards that launched ships", the former order might make sense. As for the bold type, it is in contravention of WP:BOLD, and seems to have been added solely to emphasize the ship name as a result of the poorly thought out table design.

In my encounters with other "ships launched in XXXX" pages, they already seem to have a mish-mash of styles — some with colors, some with prose listings, etc. Perhaps this could be suggested as an example of how to format other years? — Bellhalla (talk) 07:07, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

OK, but I'm not going to reorder them all. What about the display of the country's flag by use of {{Flagicon}}? Table at the moment looks rather bland. IMO, UK ships should use the correct ensign rather than the Union Flag. Mjroots (talk) 07:37, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Does the flag materially add anything to these lists that the country name alone cannot convey? I tend to think that when they are all U.S. or UK ships (with a smattering from other countries) that the flags are being just decorative, which is exactly described in WP:ICONDECORATION.

Changing them all or not is completely up to you. I hope I my answer wasn't implying that it was your responsibility, because it surely isn't. On the contrary, we all have you to thank for taking the initiative in getting this list (and the 1947 list, as well). — Bellhalla (talk) 12:51, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

My opinion is that the flags do add to the lists, especially where a historic flag is shown which is different to the current flag, or that of a country which doesn't exist today. I know it's not my responsibility to change all the lists of ship launches, just as it't not your responsibility to create the remaining lists of windmills by county for the UK. I was merely commenting that I've got better things to do (Like finish off the Empire ships article for those whose suffix begins with A). Mjroots (talk) 14:22, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

No problems on the ship lists. It's all good :)

Speaking of the Empire ships, I inquired at the WP:Reliable sources/Noticeboard about the Mariners website that gets used in some of the Empire ships. You might be interested in the reply. The discussion is here. — Bellhalla (talk) 17:45, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I've commented re the Mariners website. I'd say that it is generally a RS, but info sometimes needs cross-referencing to ensure accuracy (shouldn't we be doing this with all sources as far as possible?). Mjroots (talk) 21:02, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I took the initiative and created 1947 when I found four ships when looking for 1946 launches. I've also found a few for 1948, but not enough to feel comfortable creating that page. Any help would be great! -MBK₀₀₄ 17:56, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I didn't mean to short-change you the credit for 1947. (I had seen your comment about creating it.) My point was that if Mjroots hadn't inquired about the 1946 list, 1947 would remain a redlink. :) — Bellhalla (talk) 17:59, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

No problem. Also, I'm sure someone would have gotten to it eventually. I'm thinking about trying to fill in all the redlinks in the footers at the bottom for the years. -MBK₀₀₄ 18:06, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm working on a general {{Shipevents}} template so that there aren't separate ones for each decade. (I'm still working on a better looking template at the moment.) Right now typing this:

• {{shipevents|1946}}

produces this:

Having a general one helps to avoid situations like this, with two consecutive templates. — Bellhalla (talk) 18:12, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

That would be a great help to me as well for the redlink fill-in. Also, have you seen this nav template: {{TLS-L}}? While not ideally suited for what we would want, it may help a bit. -MBK₀₀₄ 18:17, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I hadn't seen that before. A concern I would have would be that the ship event articles seem to go back to the 1860s or 1870s, which would make a comparable template a little bit longer. What would be ideal, but would require some additional categorization would be something like this:

The decade links could go to categories like "Ships events in the 1940s", for example.

I happened to take a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Timeline of spaceflight/2009Format/eg and like the idea of the templates suggested for the Launch section, and feel that a comparable template could be implemented for ship launches, for example. Dang. Just what I need, another tempting reorganization project… — Bellhalla (talk) 18:58, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

re: Reorganization attempt

Well, I like it, but not as much as I do when it is used for spaceflights: 2008 in spaceflight. One thing, for the Caronia, she flew the British Red Ensign (File:Civil Ensign of the United Kingdom.svg) as did most Cunard and P&O liners. More tomorrow... -MBK₀₀₄ 08:07, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

No you didn't miss them, I've been pretty busy in real-life over the past week. I've got some time later today when I'll take a closer look. -MBK₀₀₄ 20:52, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

No problemo. Take your time. — Bellhalla (talk) 21:19, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Empire Ships template

I've had a go at reorganising the template to split by suffix. Please see the template talk page as I need a little help to finish it off before it can be introduced. Mjroots (talk) 10:56, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Have you had a chance to look this over yet? Mjroots (talk) 20:53, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay. I've taken a look and am still pondering. Will put comments there soon. — Bellhalla (talk) 11:50, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Your request

"Bergudi kikötőjében ismeretlen okokból elsüllyedt a 8 méteres vízben. Kiemelték, és a benne maradt egy embert még életben találták. A Danubius Hajógyárban rendbe hozták, majd átment Polába további javításra, azután próbautakat tett."

She/It (note: the sub) sunk in the port of Bergud for unknown reasons, at a point where the water was 8 meters deep. When brought to the surface a man was found inside alive. It was repaired in the Danubius shipyard, and then underwent further repairs in Pola, before taking some test trips. Hobartimus (talk) 23:06, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you so much. Or should I say "Köszönöm szépen". :) — Bellhalla (talk) 23:18, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

No problem, ask again any time. Hobartimus (talk) 23:28, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

hu:Földközi-tenger means Mediterranean Sea. The "re" at the end of the Hu version simply means to the, onto the. So the whole sentence would be "A Cattarói-öbölből a földközitengerre indult bevetésre. "From the bay of Cattaro it started to sail towards the Mediterrean Sea to see action/to begin it's mission. " The Mediterrean Sea is where most such A-H ships would go first before they can get anywhere else even more precisely it would be the Adriatic Sea. Hobartimus (talk) 00:50, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Something new for you

		The Milhist A-Class medal with oakleaves
		For your contributions to SS Washingtonian, SS Minnesotan and SS Timothy Bloodworth, promoted to A-Class between September 2008 and January 2009, I am pleased to present you with the first-ever award of the Military history A-Class medal with Oakleaves. --ROGER DAVIES talk 15:25, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

A note...

Today, I went to review SM U-69 after seeing it on the GAN page (nominated January 9), only to discover that I had already passed it to GA status on January 4. Not sure what happened there, but I'm just going to go ahead and quietly remove it from the GAN page. Dana boomer (talk) 02:02, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

OK. That was strange. It looks like it was my mistake in re-nominating it. Thanks for catching that. —

My mistake was a typo: It was to have been SM U-67 and not SM U-69 tat was nominated. I'll correct and restore the listing in the queue. — Bellhalla (talk) 13:38, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

GA review

Please visit Talk:SM U-29 (Austria-Hungary). Greetings Wandalstouring (talk) 14:03, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

I've responded on the GA review page. — Bellhalla (talk) 05:28, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

You could write a short sentences where the captains of SM U-29 (Austria-Hungary) went after being replaced. That would provide a rounded picture because you're telling what they did before taking command. It passed GA. Wandalstouring (talk) 17:13, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

None had any U-boat commands after their charge of U-29 and further biographical info (other than date of death) is absent from Uboat.net in most cases. — Bellhalla (talk) 15:49, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

SM U-41 (Austria-Hungary)

I have recently reviewed this article. Could you please look at the review page? ErikTheBikeMan (talk) 23:43, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

I've responded on the GA review page. — Bellhalla (talk) 06:16, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for looking at those comments. I've left one more on the page. Also, if you could either post messages on my talk page or leave a talkback template there, it would be much appreciated. Thanks, ErikTheBikeMan (talk) 21:37, 27 January 2009 (UTC)\

Yes. I've passed it, though I have to go to swim practice right now, so if you could add it to the good articles page and change the template on the talk page, that would be great. If not, I'll just do that in a few hours. ErikTheBikeMan (talk) 22:01, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

SS Mauna Loa

I replied on my talk page, sorry for the delay in responding. --Seattle Skier (talk) 18:10, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

SS Dzhurma

Thank you for improving the article on the SS Dzhurma; nice job.Ekem (talk) 15:44, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

My pleasure. — Bellhalla (talk) 15:47, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Re:Trivial edits with AWB

I am sorry for those edits, I was looking, and didn't see much, it appears... It was at about 0130 for me though, so you can (hopefully) partially understand, and I am sorry for the inconvenience that it caused. TARTARUS ^talk 18:41, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Something for you (again!)

		The Military history A-Class medal with Oak Leaves
		By order of the coordinators of the Military history WikiProject, you are hereby awarded the A-Class medal with Oak Leaves for your contributions to U-1 class submarine (Austria-Hungary), U-3 class submarine (Austria-Hungary), and SM U-14 (Austria-Hungary), all promoted to A-Class in January 2009. Kirill 03:02, 1 February 2009 (UTC)