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Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on June 17

Jennifer Olayvar

...That Jennifer Olayvar joined the 8th Asia Arts Festival held in China? --TitanOne (talk) 01:48, 17 June 2009 (UTC) Self nom.[reply]

Stephanie Davis

...that after writing songs for Garth Brooks, Stephanie Davis joined Brooks' road band and recorded an album for Asylum Records?

Created by TenPoundHammer (talk). Self nom at 01:18, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 16

Quartermaster Award (Boy Scouts of America)

... that the Quartermaster Award is the highest rank in the Sea Scouting program of the Boy Scouts of America?

Created by Stnfll (talk). Nominated by Rlevse (talk) at 02:20, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rafael Michelini

... that Rafael Michelini, whose father Zelmar was assassinated, is a politician active in human rights issues?

If someone can tie the two points together better, go for it. Created by Wizardman 00:55, 17 June 2009 (UTC) [reply]

Kitefin shark

... that like the related cookiecutter shark, the kitefin shark (pictured) sometimes feeds by taking bites out of animals larger than itself?

5x expanded by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 00:23, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of Chicago Blackhawks head coaches

... that Hughie Lehman, the Blackhawks third head coach, was hired after yelling at the first Chicago Blackhawks owner Frederic McLaughlin?

5x expanded by SRE.K.A.L.24 (talk). Self nom at 22:52, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Eugene McCarthy presidential campaign, 1968

... that Senator Eugene McCarthy's 1968 presidential campaign won the most Democratic primary votes but was denied the nomination at the party's 1968 National Convention?

Created/expanded by William S. Saturn (talk). Self nom at 22:47, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How did we not have an article on this before? NW (Talk) 01:29, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Christian Rynning-Tønnesen

... that Christian Rynning-Tønnesen accepted a CEO job offer of Agder Energi in 2006, but changed his mind shortly after when offered the same position in Norske Skog?

5x expanded by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 22:12, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't It a Pity

... that George Harrison included two versions of the song "Isn't It a Pity" on his All Things Must Pass album?

5x expanded by Rlendog (talk). Self nom at 20:57, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Herminiimonas glaciei

... that in 2009, the new ultramicrobacterial species Herminiimonas glaciei was isolated from 120,000 year old glacial ice, 3,042 metres (1.89 mi) deep?

Created by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 19:56, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lisa Ben

... that pioneering lesbian journalist Edith Eyde only assumed the pseudonym Lisa Ben after editors of the lesbian magazine The Ladder rejected her first choice, "Ima Spinster"?

5x expanded by Otto4711 (talk). Self nom at 19:04, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If accepted, please hold for June 28 to go with FA of the day Stonewall riots.

James F. Calvert

... that James F. Calvert commanded the nuclear submarine USS Skate, the first ever to surface at the North Pole when it did so on August 11, 1958?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 18:33, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Libočany

... that Liebotschaner Beer produced by some US breweries was originally brewed in and named after the Czech village of Libočany (pictured)?

Created and self nom by --Aloysius (talk) 18:31, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of artists influenced or inspired by Michael Jackson

... that Beyoncé, Britney Spears, Chris Brown, Diddy, Janet Jackson, Justin Timberlake, Mariah Carey, Ne-Yo, R. Kelly and Usher, were all influenced or inspired by Michael Jackson (pictured)?

Created by Pyrrhus16 (talk). Self nom at 18:13, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

- article is at AFD and is unlikely to survive in current form. Otto4711 (talk) 22:31, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also it seems to border being POVish.--TitanOne (talk) 02:19, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Haimo (dapifer)

... that some historians argue that Haimo, an medieval royal official who died around 1100, was one of the first barons of the Exchequer?

Created by Ealdgyth (talk). Self nom at 16:55, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cat Island Light

... that the first Cat Island Light (pictured) was constructed directly on sand, with no foundation?

Created by Mangoe (talk). Self nom at 16:23, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Moturu Udayam

... that Indian women's activist Moturu Udayam was known as the first woman to ride a bicycle in the state of Andhra Pradesh?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 15:48, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kumana National Park

... that a number of elephants (pictured) roam in the Kumana National Park, estimated at 30–40?

Created by Chanakal (talk). Self nom at 15:26, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1:... that Pintail Snipe migrate to Kumana National Park flying 9,000 to 11,000 km from Siberia?

The reference also says 9,000 to 11,000 km, so maybe it's measuring a curved path. It can't be a straight line: according to this calculator, the distance from the park to the furthest tip of Siberia, which is Cape Dezhnev according to some original research on a globe, is 10,172 km. Art LaPella (talk) 23:03, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Johnny Gilroy

... that "The Great Gilroy" (pictured), the leading scorer in college football in 1916, was charged in 1940 with stealing 35 shoe stitching machines from a Massachusetts factory?

alt 1 ... that "The Great Gilroy" (pictured), the leading scorer in college football in 1916, once scored 47 points in a single game?

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 15:17, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lockheed Star Clipper

... that Lockheed's proposal for their Star Clipper spacecraft argued the case for the drop tanks that would eventually be used on the Space Shuttle?

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 13:57, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ernest May (historian)

... that Harvard historian Ernest May's 1997 book The Kennedy Tapes: Inside the White House During the Cuban Missile Crisis was the primary source for the 2000 film Thirteen Days starring Kevin Costner?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 13:45, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

J. Hemachandran

... that the Indian labour leader J. Hemachandran called for a ban on sales of Coca-Cola and Pepsi in the state of Tamil Nadu?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 12:06, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Joseph Di Noia

... that Joseph Augustine Di Noia became Secretary of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments on 16 June 2009?

Created by 193.63.81.140 (talk). Nominated by 龗 (talk) at 11:40, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Neutron monitor

... that a neutron monitor detects the number of high-energy charged particles impacting the Earth's atmosphere from outer space?

Created by Naksatro (talk). Nominated by 龗 (talk) at 11:27, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

V.J.P. Saldanha

... that the Indian novelist V.J.P. Saldanha's main theme of writings was based on the captivity of 60,000 Mangalorean Roman Catholics at Seringapatam imposed by the Muslim ruler Tipu Sultan from 1784 to 1799?

Created by Kensplanet (talk). Self nom at 10:45, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Allotropes of silicon carbide

Silicon carbide is used for telescope mirrors

.. that there are more than 250 different crystalline forms (polytypes) of silicon carbide^[1] and that some of them have lattice constant as long as 301.5 nm that is about one thousand of usual lattice spacings.^[2]

Created by Materialscientist (talk). Self nom at 07:38, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I9 says "No external links in the hook."
ALT1:.. that there are more than 250 different crystalline forms (polytypes) of silicon carbide, and that some of them have a 301.5 nm lattice constant, about 1000 times longer than usual lattice spacings? Art LaPella (talk) 23:03, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thats Ok with me.Materialscientist (talk) 00:37, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Eucalyptus crebra

... that the strong and dark red timber of the Australian hardwood tree the Narrow-leaved Ironbark was used in Elizabeth Farm, Australia's oldest surviving European dwelling?

5x expanded by Casliber (talk). Self nom at 05:38, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Debo Hacerlo (song)

... that the song "Debo Hacerlo" written by Juan Gabriel has been covered by Aleks Syntek, Pandora, Nydia Rojas and Ana Gabriel?

Created by Jaespinoza (talk) 04:01, 16 June 2009 (UTC). Self nom at 04:00, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Laurens Shull

... that University of Chicago football star Laurens "Spike" Shull died of wounds suffered rushing a machine gun nest at the Battle of Château-Thierry (pictured)?

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 03:51, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Flash Engineering

... that Prince Carl Philip of Sweden is a licensed race driver currently driving for Flash Engineering in the Porsche Carrera Cup Scandinavia?

Created by NoCal100 (talk). Self nom at 03:14, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of United States district and territorial courts

... that there are ninety-four federal district and territorial courts in the United States?

Created by MZMcBride (talk). Nominated by MBisanz (talk) at 01:50, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just one quibble, though; "ninety-four" should be "94". –Juliancolton | ^Talk 02:09, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why should be? Numbers under one hundred in well-edited text are quite as often rendered in words. --Wetman (talk) 06:19, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This Manual of Style section says "... numerals, or may be rendered in words". Art LaPella (talk) 23:03, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Class of Heroes

... that a critical bug in the PSP game Class of Heroes was found only days before manufacturing began?

Comment: First DYK nom.

5x expanded by Odie5533 (talk). Self nom at 03:03, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

article has not been expanded 5 folds. It's size however has increased by X 3.31, there's still plenty of time to work on it, please expand further. --TitanOne (talk) 05:39, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just a suggestion, if you place the plot of the game in the article, I'm sure you'll reach the X 5 requirement. --TitanOne (talk) 05:45, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Can you explain how the count is determined? When I counted [1] I got 272 characters, and the latest one has around 1520. How did you calculate the 3.31? --Odie5533 (talk) 07:29, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It seems you were counting the raw bytes (3637 / 1098 = 3.31) rather than actual prose (1520 / 272 = 5.58). In any case, I have added a gameplay section so the article should meet the required increase by either gauge. --Odie5533 (talk) 08:24, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Odie5533 is correct. We count prose as summarized at C1. 23:03, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

sorry about that, I guess the page size went screwy yesterday. Sources are verified. --TitanOne (talk) 02:17, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 15

São Gabriel (ship)

... that Vasco da Gama's flagship, the carrack São Gabriel, was built by the explorer Bartolomeu Dias?

Created by Ekem (talk). Self nom at 22:06, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Super Bowl of Poker, 1979 Super Bowl of Poker, 1981 Super Bowl of Poker, 1982 Super Bowl of Poker, 1983 Super Bowl of Poker, 1984 Super Bowl of Poker, 1987 Super Bowl of Poker

... that future members of the Poker Hall of Fame won events at the Super Bowl of Poker, the second most prestigious poker tournament, in 1979, '81, '82, '83, '84, '87, '88, '89, '90, and '91?

Created by I'm Spartacus! (talk). Self nom at 14:24, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

NOTE: Before anybody belabors the obvious, a few of those articles have yet to be written... and some of them I know don't have the 1500 character limit yet. But I should have them all finished and at the threshold hold by Thursday. I've decided to go ahead an bring this here now anyway to get some ideas on how best to package this eleven (possibly 14) article hook! I might also post a few ALTs here to see what people think of them.---I'm Spartacus! ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 14:24, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Abraham Bradley, Jr.

File:USPostRoadMap1796y.jpg

... that in 1796, Abraham Bradley, Jr. published the first comprehensive postal route maps (pictured) for the United States Post Office Department?

5x expanded by BusterD (talk). Self nom at 12:40, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Orly's Draw-A-Story

... that Broderbund's computer game Orly's Draw-A-Story won the inaugural Interactive Achievement Award for Computer Innovation in 1998?

Created by 03md (talk). Self nom at 11:13, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Scott Williamson

... that Major League Baseball pitcher Scott Williamson underwent two Tommy John surgeries?

5x expanded by Mackensen (talk). Self nom at 23:35, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

9,075/2,401=3.7 prose expansion must be at least a 5x expansion and the hook fact is relatively dull because undergoing Tommy John Surgery isn't really that uncommon.--Giants27 (t|c) 00:06, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My own calculation is more like 4-4.5 expansion, plus going from five footnotes to 38. I suppose I can puff up the prose if necessary, but the article went from a stub to a full treatment. Moreover, undergoing the surgery twice is uncommon. Mackensen (talk) 01:46, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah true, so I'll give you the hook but it's still just a 3.7 expansion and the footnotes mean nothing other than more sources a DYK can have 5 or it can have 40 that doesn't factor into the decision.--Giants27 (t|c) 02:02, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, let me work on some worthless embroidery to get it up to 5x ;). Mackensen (talk) 02:06, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've expanded the article further if some would like to take a look; I believe it is actually a 5x expansion now. Mackensen (talk) 23:54, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's now a 4.8 prose expansion but it's close enough.--Giants27 (t|c) 01:09, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lawless v Ireland

... that Lawless v Ireland (1957-61) was the first International court case decision involving in interpreting International human rights law, the first one filed against a country and was refered to the European Court of Human Rights?

Created by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk). Self nom at 19:38, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

1104 characters of prose. Please expand to at least 1500. Also, the hook is long at 231 characters. Shubinator (talk) 00:45, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1:... that Lawless v Ireland (1957–61), referred to the European Court of Human Rights, was the first international court case interpreting international human rights law and the first one filed against a country? Art LaPella (talk) 01:42, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Samuel Coleridge's early life, Easter Holidays, Dura Navis, Songs of the Pixies, Pain: Composed in Sickness, Monody on the Death of Chatterton, On Receiving an Account, Lines Written at Shurton Bars

... that topics of Samuel Coleridge's (pictured) early poems include: holidays, cannibals, pixies, pain, suicide, loss, bars, prison raid, women, God, an Otter, gambling, farming, school, asses, and Joan of Arc?

Comment: 208 characters for hook, or 197 without the "included" part. All pages are over 5k with far more than the minimum amount of characters.

Created by Ottava Rima (talk), Jake Wartenberg (talk). Self nom at 18:20, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Great work! NW (Talk) 01:25, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cyclone Nancy

... that Cyclone Nancy of the 2004–05 South Pacific cyclone season was one of four severe tropical cyclones to impact the Cook Islands during the span of a month?

Created by Cyclonebiskit (talk). Self nom at 15:24, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Very nice article. Size, creation and quality of sources is fine. However the information given in the hook isnt made clear in the article. In the lead you say several storms, but do not clarify the time period in which they struck. You only mention one of the four storms later in the article and you mention that there were fours storms but again no indication of the length of time in which these struck. If you could please clarify this somewhere along the line then it will hopefully alleviate any issues. Seddσn ^talk|^WikimediaUK 03:02, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm happy with the changes made. Hook verified. Seddσn ^talk|^WikimediaUK 03:23, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alan Berkman

... that Dr. Alan Berkman, charged as an accessory for treating a 1981 robbery perpetrator, had lawyers claiming he was the first US doctor charged since Dr. Samuel Mudd treated John Wilkes Booth in 1865?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 13:08, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Good to go. What a fascinating article! — Jake Wartenberg 15:54, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is indeed an interesting article, but arguably the hook's a bit inaccurate: Berkman obviously wasn't the first doctor charged with any crime since Dr. Mudd. May I suggest:

ALT 1: ... that after a 1981 robbery, lawyers for Dr. Alan Berkman claimed that he was the first US doctor charged for treating a fugitive since Dr. Samuel Mudd treated John Wilkes Booth in 1865?--Arxiloxos (talk) 20:40, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have no objection to the proposed alternate, which in many ways captures what I had struggled to fit into 200 characters without losing sight of who is the subject of the clauses in the sentence. Alansohn (talk) 20:49, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Feminist Improvising Group

... that the Feminist Improvising Group challenged the male-dominated musical improvisation scene in the late 1970s?

Created by Bruce1ee (talk). Self nom at 12:43, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

STSAT-2

... that Korea Aerospace Research Institute (KARI) plans to launch the STSAT-2 (Science and Technology Satellite-2) on July 30, 2009, from the newly constructed Naro Space Center?

Created by SriMesh (talk). Self nom at 04:02, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

alt... that Korea Aerospace Research Institute's (KARI) STSAT-2 (Science and Technology Satellite-2) will carry two payloads, a Satellite laser ranging (SLR) and a Lyman-alpha Imaging Solar Telescope (LIST)?SriMesh | talk 04:05, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Anaconda Road Massacre

... that the shooting death of striking miner Tom Manning in the 1920 Anaconda Road Massacre in Butte, Montana is still officially unsolved?

5x expanded by Geraldk (talk). Self nom at 02:11, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have often added those strange-looking commas after states, and someone removed one here. If the commas aren't a consensus, I wish someone would change the "In geographic names" section of the comma article. See also [2]. Art LaPella (talk) 01:42, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Arthur Okamura

... that San Francisco Renaissance artist Arthur Okamura provided the "alien" illustrations for the 1972 TV movie The People?

Created by Mercurywoodrose (talk). Self nom at 01:44, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No mention of aliens in the article. Gatoclass (talk) 09:55, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

sorry, that is not documented in article. I did document that he did the illustrations. a simpler, alternate tag would be "that San Francisco Renaissance artist Arthur Okamura illustrated Robert Creeley's poetic work, 1234567890?

Utah Utes football under Ron McBride

... that in 1992, the Utah Utes football team, coached by Ron McBride, ended a 28-year bowl game drought by appearing in the 1992 Copper Bowl?

5x expanded by DeFaultRyan (talk). Self nom at 19:59, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 14

Haili Church

...that Haili Church has survived earthquakes, tsunamis, lava flows, fires, and flash floods?

Created by W Nowicki (talk). Self nom at 00:10, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Egg and chips

... that egg and chips was John Lennon's favourite food?

Created by Dida88 (talk). Nominated by 龗 (talk) at 11:54, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Article is being considered for deletion. Cheers. I'^mperator 21:50, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Socrates Hotchkiss Tryon, Sr.

... that Socrates Hotchkiss Tryon's land claim was logged for firewood to be used in a foundry by the Oregon Iron Company, but is now the Tryon Creek State Natural Area?

Created by Finetooth (talk). Nominated by Aboutmovies (talk) at 09:02, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ricardo Rangel

... that photojournalist Ricardo Rangel co-founded Mozambique's first full color magazine, Tempo, as a voice of opposition to Portuguese colonial rule?

Created by Scanlan (talk). Self nom at 03:29, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Franco-American alliance

... that the Franco-American alliance (Battle of Yorktown pictured) was sealed in February 1778 by Benjamin Franklin, officializing French support in the American War of Independence?

Created by PHG (talk). Self nom at 14:50, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kfar Shaul Mental Health Center

... that after the killing in Deir Yassin of around 107 people in April 1948, the former Palestinian village's houses were turned into the Kfar Shaul Mental Health Center, an Israeli psychiatric hospital?

created by SlimVirgin (talk). Self nom at 17:32, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

1356 characters of prose. Please expand to at least 1500. Since this is a touchy subject, the article must adhere strictly to our rules to appear on DYK. The source for the number killed says the figure is disputed, so at the least the hook should read "approximately 107 people". It would also be best to avoid the word "massacre". Shubinator (talk) 01:00, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I now say "around 107" (though that figure isn't disputed by anyone), and I've replaced "massacre" with "killing." I'll add some more prose characters. SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 01:51, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's now 2,770 characters, according to my count (not counting references section etc). Hope that's okay. SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 02:06, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's a touchy subject, and judging by my previous experience at DYK (two articles, including Palestinian Land Law, which said remotely negative things about Palestinians were derailed because "the main page has higher standards for NPOV"), this should immediately fail with its current wording. The mental hospital has nothing to do with the Deir Yassin massacre (or whatever you want to call it). It was built on the grounds of the village, which is not really relevant in any way to "the killing in Deir Yassin of around 107 people in April 1948". The people who killed the "around 107" people (I believe the generally-accepted figure is 119—93 in the battle, and 26 in the quarry, but don't take my word on this), namely Irgun and Lehi, did not build the hospital, and as far as I can tell, never had anything to do with it. However, not wanting to derail a reasonable article simply on the basis of a bad hook, here is my suggestion:

... that the Kfar Shaul Mental Health Center in Jerusalem is associated with the Jerusalem Syndrome, in which the subject is gripped by religious delusions?

And if for some odd reason there is a consensus that Deir Yassin absolutely must be mentioned here, this one can be used, although IMO it's still not nearly the best hook:

... that the Kfar Shaul Mental Health Center in Israel was built on the site of the village Deir Yassin, whose residents were expelled by ~~Israeli forces~~ the Irgun in the 1948 Arab–Israeli War?

—Ynhockey ^(Talk) 16:36, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What is notable is that a psychiatric hospital was built on the site of a recent massacre. The massacre was in 1948, and the hospital was built on the village (using the villagers' homes and school) as a "psychiatric working village" in 1951. No one disputes this, so it isn't contentious.

Also, the villagers weren't expelled by Israeli forces. They were killed and expelled by paramilitary forces before Israel existed. These are all non-contentious facts of history. SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 17:41, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is there anything you don't like about the Jerusalem Syndrome hook? I have also modified the 2nd suggestion per your comment. —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 17:47, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

They were expelled or killed in what became known as the Deir Yassin massacre. That is what the village is famous for. That is primarily what the psychiatric hospital is known for outside Israel. Why would you only say "expelled," as a matter of interest? SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 17:55, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The village is famous for the massacre, but this article is not about the village - it is about a hospital. The hospital is mostly known for its research on Jerusalem Syndrome, so Yhockey's hook is much better, and less controversial. LuvGoldStar (talk) 19:08, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pace User:Slimvirgin the hospital is primarily known outside israel for being the place where tourists suffering form Jerusalem syndrome are treated. Jerusalem syndrome is a fascinating mental disorder with an extensive literature, both popular and scholarly. Of course, it already has an article of its own. This article includes a small section on Jerusalem syndrome as a fairly obvious ploy to make an article that will qualify for DKY. The objective of Slim Virgin is, obviously, to use Wikipedia as a propaganda tool. Although I have removed one sentence of the excessive propaganda ( it is already in the linked articles on the pre-1948 village and the massacre.) An honest article on the hospital would have information about the hospital. This article has so little, and so little attempt to set the hospital inot the context of the Israeli medical care system (but lots of links to Palestinian grievance articles, some now removed by other editors) that it is mere propaganda.Historicist (talk) 20:10, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Let's keep personal attacks out of this discussion. Shubinator (talk) 00:38, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

On the "primarily known" issue, Google disagrees: [3] [4] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Art LaPella (talk • contribs) 23:03, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you get rid of all the references to Wikipedia and its mirrors, the POV+pushing advocacy sites and the blogs/ social media sites which make up the bulk of your Google results above, by running the same search on Google scholar, it is actually the other way around, and clearly so: 7 cites for Jerusalem syndrome, none whatsoever for massacre. Hadashot Livkarim (talk) 01:38, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Swellshark

A swellshark

... that the swellshark (pictured) bends its body in a U-shape and sucks in water to double in size and avoid attacks from predators?

5x expanded by Giants27 (talk). Self nom at 00:18, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Privity in English law

... that it has been argued that privity in English law is simply an element of consideration? Ironholds (talk) 00:17, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jan and Anna Puchalski (plus) Grodno Ghetto

... that Jan and Anna Puchalski, Polish Righteous among the Nations, harbored six Jewish fugitives from the ghetto in Grodno (pictured), under their bedroom floor during the Holocaust?

Created by Poeticbent (talk). Self nom at 00:02, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that during the Holocaust, Jan and Anna Puchalski, Polish Righteous among the Nations, harbored six Jewish fugitives from the Grodno Ghetto (pictured) under their bedroom floor? --Poeticbent talk 00:29, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Camp Trousdale

... that similar to many other Civil War encampments, soldiers at Camp Trousdale in Tennessee suffered from a variety of diseases like measles?

5x expanded by Geraldk (talk). Self nom at 23:48, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Garfield School

... that the Garfield School in Brunswick, New York, (pictured) was the first building in that town to be added to the National Register of Historic Places?

Created by Wadester16 (talk). Self nom at 23:45, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DemiDec

... that DemiDec, a company that sells study material for the United States Academic Decathlon, also annually hosts the World Scholar's Cup?

Created by NuclearWarfare (talk). Self nom at 22:49, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Good to go. wadester 16 03:51, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dziwożona

... that Dziwożona, a wood demon in Slavic mythology, has such huge breasts that she uses them to wash her clothes?

Created by Malick78 (talk). Self nom at 22:21, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please add more inline citations, there's only one now. Shubinator (talk) 22:28, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That makes no sense... –Juliancolton | ^Talk 22:54, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Shubinator is thinking of D2. Juliancolton's point is that his Polish references apparently retell the entire legend, not specific sentences. Art LaPella (talk) 23:36, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I was also thinking of bigger guidelines, like notability. Especially since this is mythology, and I can't read the ref, it takes more than one reference to convince me the article isn't original research. Shubinator (talk) 23:45, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've added some inline citations, but the article should be more encyclopedic - currently it describes the mythical demon as a real, existing being, ex. "At the risk of becoming one of these demons after death were mostly midwives, old maids, unmarried mothers, pregnant women ...". --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 20:07, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed the tenses to make it less 'real', more 'it is said' style:) And other weird phrases have been cleared up... Hope it's okay now. Malick78 (talk) 22:41, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Liz Swaine

... that Liz Swaine, formerly with KTBS-TV in Shreveport, Louisiana, was once named "Best Journalist in the Nation" by the American Journalism Review?

... that Liz Swaine was a locally well known television news anchor that quit to become a mayoral executive assistant but later ran for mayor of the city of Shreveport, Louisiana, USA?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk) and User F203 (talk). Nominated by User F203 (talk) at 23:59, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why are there two separate nominations from two separate people? This hook is nommed by F203 and one further down was nommed by the other creator, Billy Hathorn. Hurricane Angel Saki (talk) 00:51, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. I (User F203) created the article in the sandbox and asked for Billy Hathorn's help in writing it. Not only did he help, but he wrote this huge article! In 1 day! Later, I nominated it for DYK not knowing that he did it, too. User F203 (talk) 14:57, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I was originally mulling over who should have their hook published, but in the end, I'm inclined towards the latter hook, as that hook is a little bit more solidly sourced than the former (while I don't doubt that LinkedIn may qualify as a reliable source, I think it's safer to stay with the more reliable source here). While someone may raise an alarm over "locally well known", the source used says that a poll showed 85% to 90% of Shreveport residents know her, which in my opinion qualifies as "locally well known". The length of the article checks out as well. Good work you two! (Also, I checked Billy's talk page, and as F203 has indicated, he had applied for help from Billy). Hurricane Angel Saki (talk) 22:45, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Norwegian Nobel Committee

... that the Nobel Peace Prize is awarded by the Norwegian Nobel Committee, known as the "Nobel Committee of the Norwegian Parliament" between 1901 and 1977?

5x expanded by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 21:13, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think the hook is a bit pointless. Might as well just stick to the basic info IMO, in which case I suggest the following alt:

... that the Nobel Peace Prize is awarded annually by the Norwegian Nobel Committee?

Anyhow, both hooks verified. Gatoclass (talk) 10:16, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rise to Power (Monstrosity album)

... that during the tour in promotion of the album Rise to Power, the death metal band Monstrosity headlined the Rock Al Parque festival in Bogotá, Colombia, and performed in front of 80,000 people?

Created by Cannibaloki (talk). Self nom at 18:37, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Desert Strike: Return to the Gulf

... that Desert Strike: Return to the Gulf was at the time publisher Electronic Arts' highest selling video game ever?

Expanded (former redirect) by Bridies. Self nom.

Looks like somebody has a large pile of old Amiga magazines lying around :) Anyhow, verified, with a slight tweak to the hook for clarity. Gatoclass (talk) 10:22, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Zana e malit

... that in Albanian folklore the zana, mountain fairies revered for their beauty and courage, are said to have watched approvingly over Albanian protests against the 1878 Treaty of San Stefano?

Created by Flokarti (talk), Gonzonoir (talk). Self nom at 13:02, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Randy Wicker

... that despite having organized the first LGBT rights demonstration in the US, activist Randy Wicker denounced the Stonewall riots, saying that "throwing rocks through windows doesn't open doors"?

Comment: If accepted, please hold for June 28. This could also be a double, by linking the first LGBT rights demonstration in the US to List of pre-Stonewall LGBT actions in the United States, which has already been passed for the same date and is in the holding area.

Created/expanded by Otto4711 (talk). Self nom at 11:53, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Offline sources accepted in good faith. I'll tick it so it can be placed into the special holding. Good work! Hurricane Angel Saki (talk) 22:50, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Józef Kalasanty Szaniawski

... that Polish philosopher Józef Kalasanty Szaniawski (1764–1843) began as an advocate for restoring Poland's independence by force of arms, and ended as a supporter of Russian Imperial rule in his country?

Created by Nihil novi (talk). Self nom at 11:14, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Geary Eppley

... that Geary Eppley (pictured), an administrator at the University of Maryland, confiscated thousands of copies of the student newspaper when it printed an exposé on dormitory living conditions?

Created by Strikehold (talk). Self nom at 07:43, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Chhatarpur Temple

... that the Chhatarpur Temple complex, spread over 60 acres (0.24 km²; 0.094 sq mi) near Mehrauli in Delhi, is the second largest Hindu temple complex in India?

Created by Mehul trivedi (talk). Nominated by Ekabhishek (talk) at 06:12, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No cite for the 60 acre claim, also not sure if I saw a mention of Mehrauli in the article either. Gatoclass (talk) 10:42, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How Am I Supposed to Kill You If You Have All the Guns?

... that the "electric shocks" and "digital distortion" of How Am I Supposed to Kill You If You Have All the Guns? were labelled as "disgusting" by the parents of one of its creators?

(self-nom, created by --can dle •wicke 02:49, 14 June 2009 (UTC) )[reply]

Little Red Schoolhouse (Brunswick, New York)

... that the Little Red Schoolhouse in Brunswick, New York (pictured), is believed to be one of the oldest remaining schoolhouses in Rensselaer County?

Created by Wadester16 (talk). Self nom at 01:59, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Edward Hanrahan

... that Edward Hanrahan, groomed to succeed Chicago mayor Richard J. Daley, saw his elected career end after a 1969 police raid that resulted in the death of Black Panther Party leader Fred Hampton?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 01:50, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

United Kingdom Election Results

... that the website United Kingdom Election Results is referenced in reports by the United Nations Development Programme and the Parliament of Australia?

Created by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 00:55, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 13

Jan Władysław Dawid

... Jan Władysław Dawid was a lecturer at the Flying University?

Comment: My first DYK nom. If there are any problems or more expansion/work will need to be undertaken on the article, please let me know ASAP. Also note that the hook I made is valid (reference provided refers to it by alternate name, but it is still the same institute. Also note: There is an image I found to add of him but it is currently being investigated what is the copyright status of the image (the image is in a Polish website, hence can't work my way around). Any help would be appreciated. See talk page of User:Piotrus to give your opinion. Kind regards.

Created by Calaka (talk). Self nom at 10:58, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Blood Ties (Homicide: Life on the Street)

... that the New York Yankees refused to allow its logo to appear in the Homicide: Life on the Street three-part episode "Blood Ties", which featured a subplot involving a murderous Yankees fan?

Created by Hunter Kahn (talk). Self nom at 05:31, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Veeder

... that Yale All-American Paul Veeder has been credited with throwing the "first forward pass in a major game" and as an early innovator of the onside kick?

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 01:37, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bluebirds Flying High

... that James Fox's song Bluebirds Flying High features backing vocals from Cardiff City F.C. players?

Created by 03md (talk). Self nom at 23:29, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

John R. Conway

... that Mayor John R. Conway was instrumental in returning New Orleans municipal government to civilian control?

5x expanded by Biosci01 (talk). Self nom at 00:08, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

1203 characters of prose. Please expand to at least 1500. Shubinator (talk) 13:56, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There was some information I missed that I have now added, and I think it meets criteria now.Biosci01 (talk) 15:19, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

John Ernsting

... that Air Vice-Marshal John "JE" Ernsting became a lecturer at King's College London and Imperial College, London after a successful military career of 35 years with the RAF Institute of Aviation Medicine?

Created by Gaia Octavia Agrippa (talk). Self nom at 20:55, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Robert Despenser

... that Robert Despenser, a royal steward under King William II of England, derived his surname from his office which was also known as dispenser?

Created by Ealdgyth (talk). Self nom at 18:31, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Don Kelly (baseball)

... that Detroit Tigers baseball player Don Kelly made his major debut for the Pittsburgh Pirates, then played his first game as a Tiger against the Pirates?

5x expanded by Mackensen (talk). Self nom at 17:03, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dos Caras, Jr.

... that Professional wrestler Dos Caras, Jr. only defended the CMLL World Heavyweight Championship four times in 533 days?

5x expanded by MPJ-DK (talk). Self nom at 14:51, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(Please note I had to remove most of the content for copyright violation before rewriting the article. I expanded the text more than 5 times, not counting info boxes etc. check the difference between edits)

Siegfried class coast defense ship

... that although the Siegfried-class coast defense ships were rendered obsolete by the 2nd Naval Law in 1908, they continued to serve in their intended roles until 1915?

Created by Parsecboy (talk). Self nom at 12:50, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of Gold Glove Award winners at second base

... that Plácido Polanco became the first Gold Glove winner at second base to post an errorless season in 2007?

Created by Killervogel5 (talk). Self nom at 12:09, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date and source verified. Hook accepted in good faith. ceranthor 13:36, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Conspiracy Encyclopedia

... that the reference Conspiracy Encyclopedia discusses 365 different conspiracy theories?

Created by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 04:24, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of drugs illegal in the United Kingdom

... that in the UK, cannabis was downgraded from a class B to class C in 2004, only to then be re-upgraded in 2009?

Created by Anxietycello (talk). Self nom at 02:40, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

603 characters of prose. Content in tables doesn't count. Please expand to at least 1500. Shubinator (talk) 15:30, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Now 3,460 characters. - Anxietycello (talk) 03:35, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 12

Frank Newsam

... that Sir Frank Newsam took charge of the British recovery efforts after the North Sea flood of 1953 and "secured achievements that would have surprised Canute"?

Created by Sam Blacketer (talk). Self nom at 10:06, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

- You may find the hook reference on the Google books snippet view here. Sam Blacketer (talk) 10:06, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

South African wine

File:Papio ursinus.jpg

... that one of the viticultural hazards that South African winemakers have to deal with are baboons (Cape species pictured) eating the grapes in the vineyard?

Comment: Primary ref is Oxford (FN #5) in Viticulture section, secondary online Wine Enthusiast ref (FN#6) also provided

5x expanded by Agne27 (talk). Self nom at 05:30, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Montgomery Place

... that the South Woods at Montgomery Place (main house, pictured) near Annandale-on-Hudson, New York, are the oldest oak forest in the Hudson Valley?

ALT1:... that produce from the orchards at Montgomery Place (pictured), a historic house museum near Annandale-on-Hudson, New York, is sold at local roadside stands? status=expanded
Comment: Expanded from this version starting on this date

Created/expanded by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 18:48, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Real Racing (video game)

... that Real Racing is the Australian developers Firemint's third game developed for the iPhone OS after Flight Control and Fast & Furious the game?

Comment: A new game so maybe relevant at this time

Created by Ismashed (talk). Self nom at 15:42, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the fair use image since they're not allowed on the Main Page. Shubinator (talk) 01:05, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fight Like Apes and the Mystery of the Golden Medallion

Mr. T

Mr. T plays Santa Claus with First Lady Nancy Reagan for Christmas at the White House, 1983

... that Fight Like Apes and the Mystery of the Golden Medallion was inspired by a 1980s cartoon which followed the attempts of Mr. T (pictured) to coach an Olympic gymnastics youth team?

(self-nom, 5x expanded by --can dle •wicke 00:14, 13 June 2009 (UTC) )[reply]

ISO 898

... that ISO 898 is the international standard that defines the physical and mechanical properties for most metric fasteners?

Created by Wizard191 (talk). Self nom at 01:15, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Washington State Route 106

... that Washington State Route 106 has been renumbered four times over a 49-year period from 1915 until 1964?

5x expanded by ComputerGuy (talk). Self nom at 00:03, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Technical requirements check out, but the hook is rather dull. Can't you find a more interesting fact that will appeal to more people? –Juliancolton | ^Talk 02:37, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- ALT: ... that Washington State Route 106 was once a segment of a major highway through the Kitsap Peninsula from 1915 until 1964? –CG 17:53, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Feudal aid

... that the custom of collecting a feudal aid from a vassal originated in the 11th century in France, in the County of Anjou?

Created by Ealdgyth (talk). Self nom at 21:35, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Off-line sources accepted in good faith. Good work as always. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 23:42, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Santi Vincenzo e Anastasio a Trevi

File:Trevi - SS. Vincenzo e Anastasio.JPG

... that the Baroque church of Santi Vincenzo e Anastasio a Trevi, which houses the hearts of 25 popes, was presented to the Bulgarian Orthodox Church by Pope John Paul II?

Created by TodorBozhinov (talk). Self nom at 20:30, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of the palaces /new/ and Charles Cameron (architect) /exp./

... that Charles Cameron, fired and deprived of his house by Paul I of Russia during the battle of the palaces, later lived in retirement in Paul's favorite palace? Expanded/created: User:NVO, cleaned up by User:LilHelpa; self-nom by NVO

Alt hooks

... that the Battle of the palaces culminated in 1796 with the destruction of the largest imperial palace of the Russian Empire?

... that Charles Cameron, fired and deprived of his house by Paul I of Russia in 1796, later lived in retirement in Paul's favorite palace?

... that in the beginning of his career Charles Cameron sued his own father who ended up in Fleet Prison? -- NVO (talk) 20:04, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Eryngium racemosum

... that the Californian plant Eryngium racemosum has become extirpated due to the non-occurrence of natural flooding?

Created by IceCreamAntisocial (talk). Nominated by Punkmorten (talk) at 19:57, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

More sources would be good, though. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 20:41, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hans Larsen Saakvitne

... that Norwegian Liberal MP Hans Larsen Saakvitne was among the "Pure Liberals" who turned against the Liberal Prime Minister in 1888?

Created by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 17:43, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Master Cat, or Puss in Boots

... that Charles Perrault's The Master Cat, or Puss in Boots existed in a handwritten and illustrated manuscript (pictured) a full two years before its publication in Histoires ou Contes du temps passé in 1697?

Comment: This nomination is an upgrade of a previous nomination that failed due to a lack of inline citations and the reviewer's inability to find the hook in the article. The article and hook have been upgraded to comply with DYK criteria. The hook is found in the "Question of authorship" section and the caption to the accompanying image. Inline citations have been entered throughout the article.

Created by Kathyrncelestewright (talk). Self nom at 17:32, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The hook is not interesting to me. Aside from it, the article has some issues with the title, inline sourcing for some passages and others. I think the article could be merged into Puss in Boots (fairy tale), or the latter has to be renamed like "Puss in Boots (character)". Also could you show me "the previous and failed nomination for DYK"? When did it occur and who was the reviewer back then? (the accusatory tone is bothering) If the article was previously nominated, how could this be "the new article? --Caspian blue 08:12, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I found the "duplicated nomination" for entries created/expanded from June 12, so moved this one on June 13 to here.--Caspian blue 08:22, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have a huge problem with the hook, although it could be more interesting; I found the source and can accept it AGF. (Also, by the way, I don't think she meant to be "accusatory" when pointing out that Mattisse didn't find the hook; it probably just came out wrong.) But the serious problem is the one Caspian pointed out about Puss in Boots (fairy tale). Clearly the articles have slightly different focuses; the latter is about the story in general, whereas this one is more about the specific book that Perrault published. The question is whether they need to be separate articles or not—and if they do not need to be, whether this work could be considered a 5x expansion of what already existed. Even if they are kept separate, I think some more work needs to be done getting the two articles well coordinated; Puss in Boots (disambiguation) doesn't mention Puss in Boots (fairy tale), which it certainly needs to, and The Master Cat, or Puss in Boots could use more discussion (beyond just the "authorship" section) on how Perrault's story fits into the whole set of Puss in Boots stories; furthermore, both articles have sections that appear to overlap, such as "adaptations". I think some of these issues need to be cleared up before this can pass. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 12:30, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you both for your insights and consideration! I've reworked the hook slightly and ask your opinion. Caspian, the issues you mention have been rectified in the "Master Cat" article (thank you for solving the snarl with the title!) and I do agree with you that the two articles need some consideration. There is not much to merge into The Master Cat, or Puss in Boots from Puss in Boots (fairy tale) as much of the latter article is unsourced and has an OR tang, especially in the analysis section. I suggest a "Variants" or a "Cat as Helper" section in "The Master Cat" article examining the topic from well respected folklorists and retaining only the "adaptations" that are supremely notable such as Tchaikovsky's ballet and the Faerie Tale production. Perrault's Puss in Boots has inspired legion upon legion of "adaptations" over the centuries and it is impractical in my opinion to list every single one of them no matter how insignificant they are in the greater scheme of things in "The Master Cat" article without giving the topic "adaptations" undue weight. Alternatively, ALL adaptations could be listed in a stand alone article called "Puss in Boots adaptations". What do you think of my proposal? Caspain, I'm so sorry you preceive me as using "accusatory tone" with Matisse. Nothing of the sort was intended. I was simply stating a 'right to the point' fact. Kathyrncelestewright (talk) 22:15, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That seems to me to be the best option: redirect Puss in Boots (fairy tale) to this new article, add a section or so summing up the general history of the fairy tale and how Perrault fits into that history, and then spin the list of adaptations out into a new article. I find the spinning-out solution to be an expedient hack when you have a large hunk of information that is relevant to an article but crappily written and not likely to ever be up to the same standard as the rest of your article (especially if you're planning on GAN or FAC); for example, I did pretty much the same thing with Chinese classifier and List of Chinese classifiers. It might feel a little bit like cheating, but whatever. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 22:26, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I really don't think the issue can be easily resolved within the discussion between just three of us because as Rjanag pointed out, the article and the other "fairy tale" article have duplication and others. However, the DYK entry can be featured anyhow on the main page since the title and content specify that the article focuses on "Perrault"'s version of the story.--Caspian blue 01:10, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mary Jane West-Eberhard

... that the theoretical biologist Mary Jane West-Eberhard learnt more about science at high school from her English course on critical reading and writing that her biology class?

Created by LittleHow (talk). Self nom at 11:47, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I assume that you meant "... than [from] her biology class". Still, the hook seems slightly stilted. Could it be simplified somehow? decltype (talk) 16:21, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Either way, length, date and current hook verified. I was unable to access the online source, but it's accepted in good faith. decltype (talk) 16:29, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My brain was not working: I should have typed than.--LittleHow (talk) 05:22, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ole Mørk Sandvik

... that Ole Mørk Sandvik was a founder and first president of the Norwegian Folk Music Research Association?

Created by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 10:01, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Harrys Gym

... that while their old band was named after a Jack Kerouac novel, Harrys Gym got their name from an abandoned fitness center?

Created by Decltype (talk). Self nom at 08:21, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (song)

... that Hugo Montenegro's hit cover version of the main theme to the 1966 film The Good, the Bad and the Ugly was recorded in one day?

Created by Zephyrnthesky (talk). Self nom at 05:51, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length and date verified, offline hook ref accepted in good faith. I don't think that recording a song in one day is that unusual, but it is a very notable song. --Bruce1ee^talk 07:04, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- It doesn't sound unusual to me at all. In 1963, the Beatles managed to record ten songs for the Please Please Me album on a single day. Even if the Montenegro recording was more complex in terms of requiring more musicians, it doesn't strike me as DYK-worthy that he recorded the song in one day. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 10:01, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Proposed ALT1: ... that despite the success of Ennio Morricone's soundtrack for The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, the main theme only became a hit single in the cover version by Hugo Montenegro? --Metropolitan90 (talk) 10:07, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - ALT1 is better, thanks. Verified. --Bruce1ee^talk 10:49, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      - ALT1 does sound better to me, I guess it probably isn't that distinctive for a song to be recorded in one day. The film was released in 1966, and Montenegro's single came out in 1968, shortly after the US release of the film. Not sure if the year of either should go in the hook, if it makes it I'll defer to consensus. Thanks. Zephyrnthesky (talk) 16:51, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How about simply stating that it is a song, not just a couple harmonica chords in the opening scene? Never realized there could be any words behind it. NVO (talk) 11:13, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- There aren't any lyrics per se, the source says that Montenegro does the sort of "hup-rup-hup" sounds himself. I just listened to it a moment ago and it sounds like there is a backing vocal sound, but I don't know who did that. It's opening notes are enough to convey the association with the film, so those get played more often. Zephyrnthesky (talk) 17:01, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

much better! ...

... that Hugo Montenegro's does the sort of "hup-rup-hup" sounds himself on his hit version of the The Good, the Bad and the Ugly? Victuallers (talk) 17:49, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That kind of slipped my mind when I was creating the article last night, but I've since added the sentence from the book that says that (and referenced it as well). The book describes it as the "rep, rup, rep, rup, rep" sound between the choruses. I think that could work too. Sorry to sound wishy-washy, but the whole DYK thing is pretty new to me, I've only been involved in one (and somebody else nominated it for me because I was confused as to how it was done). Like I said above, I'm deferential. Zephyrnthesky (talk) 18:51, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cards Pond

... that Cards Pond is among only three of Rhode Island's nine salt ponds that receives significant freshwater from streams or rivers? –Juliancolton | ^Talk 03:23, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rommie Loudd

... that Rommie Loudd was the first African American majority owner of a major league sports team?

Created by Hirolovesswords (talk). Nominated by Royalbroil (talk) at 01:29, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Found this gem at new page patrol. Royalbroil 01:29, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ref, date and length fine ... some help on the raw ref format would be good. I did one ... Victuallers (talk) 16:05, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done a pretty rough job with WP:REFLINKS, but it's better than nothing. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 20:32, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Older nominations

Articles created/expanded on June 11

Poker Hall of Fame

... that only one woman belongs to the Poker Hall of Fame?

5x expanded by I'm Spartacus! (talk). Self nom at 14:55, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Question I'm not sure if this article qualifies. It was at almost 5K (but largely a list) on the 11th and I've expanded it to almost 30K in size. If it does qualify, the question becomes do we use it now, or do we include it in the DYK I've added for June 15 for the Super Bowl of Poker which has the potential of being a 14 item DYK? 15 if we can include this.---I'm Spartacus! ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 14:55, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Liouville's formula

... that Liouville's formula can help to calculate an additional solution of a differential equation which may be hard to find otherwise?

5x expanded by Schmock (talk). Self nom at 22:34, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please add inline citations, especially for the hook fact. Also, more than one source would be good. Shubinator (talk) 01:07, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Banksia sphaerocarpa var. dolichostyla

... that the rare Ironcap Banksia from Western Australia has the longest pistils of any banksia?

5x expanded by Casliber (talk). Self nom at 21:25, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I know, a bit lame but I thought the pun on pistil/pistol was cute. Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:25, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Washington Valley Park

... that during the 2008 fall migration over 10,000 raptors passed the observation point at the Washington Valley Park, New Jersey?

Created by Ekem (talk). Self nom at 21:37, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of Olympic medalists in badminton

... that Gao Ling is the all-time leader for the most Olympic medals in badminton?

5x expanded by SRE.K.A.L.24 (talk). Self nom at 05:53, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Article has not been expanded 5 folds, please expand further. --TitanOne (talk) 01:22, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Uhh...what are you talking about? From this to this, I think the whole lead has been five-folded. From my previous nominations, I believe the tables don't count towards the bytes. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 03:30, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nancy Andrews (actress)

... that actress Nancy Andrews won a Theatre World Award for her Broadway debut performance in 1949?

Created by Cryptic C62 (talk). Self nom at 16:12, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Marion West Higgins

... that Marion West Higgins, the first female Speaker of the New Jersey General Assembly, was the daughter of Dr. James E. West, the first Chief Scout Executive of the Boy Scouts of America?

Created by Offenbach (talk). Self nom at 02:19, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gerta Keller

... that paleontologist Gerta Keller theorizes that dinosaurs did not became extinct until 300,000 years after the Chicxulub meteor, though she agrees that "I'm sure the day after, they had a headache"?

5x expanded by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 01:30, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The prose has only been expanded 3.5x. Can you expand it some more? --Bruce1ee^talk 05:33, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the catch. Additional material that I thought I had inserted has been added to the article, bring it over the 5x threshold. Alansohn (talk) 01:51, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Still not 5x expansion I'm afraid. DYKcheck gives 3031/622 = 4.8x prose expansion. --Bruce1ee^talk 05:43, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've added DYKcheck on my own and have confirmed that the material I've added puts me past the 5x mark. With DYKcheck, I can finally end my link to lettercount.com and my constant cutting and pasting to get the count and do the needed math. While we're here, how can I use DYKcheck for a specific article on T:TDYK itself? Alansohn (talk) 15:19, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Go to the specific article and click DYKcheck; is that what you were asking? Art LaPella (talk) 23:03, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bob Haymes

... that in 1952 Bob Haymes both starred as a song publisher in the television sitcom It's a Business and co-wrote the song "That's All"?

Created by Korny O'Near (talk). Self nom at 00:09, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

... that in the same year, 1952, Bob Haymes played a song publisher in the sitcom It's a Business and actually co-wrote the song "That's All"?

Created by Korny O'Near (talk). Self nom at 00:09, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest remove the word both (I though you had missed out somebody). Actually .. why not ... that Bob Haymes played a song publisher in the sitcom It's a Business and actually co-wrote the song "That's All"? Victuallers (talk) 16:12, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that makes sense - I added a modified version of your suggestion as a second option. Korny O'Near (talk) 16:45, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please add inline citations, especially for the hook fact. Shubinator (talk) 00:36, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article needs several maintenance items addressed before it can appear on the main page. Royalbroil 12:30, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I just added inline citations to the article, including for the facts stated in this entry; I hope that's enough. Korny O'Near (talk) 13:28, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Zacchini v. Scripps-Howard Broadcasting Co.

... that in Zacchini v. Scripps-Howard Broadcasting Co., the U.S. Supreme Court held that the First Amendment did not immunize a television station from liability for broadcasting Hugo Zacchini's human cannonball act without his consent?

Created by Eastlaw (talk). Self nom at 21:47, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

267 character hook. Art LaPella (talk) 23:09, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is that better? I don't think I can cut any more without risking being inaccurate. --Eastlaw ^talk ⁄ _contribs 23:52, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Now 233 characters. I believe hooks that long occasionally get approved, but not often. Art LaPella (talk) 00:24, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

alt... that in Zacchini v. Scripps-Howard Broadcasting Co., the U.S. Supreme Court held that the First Amendment did not immunize a television station for broadcasting a performer's entire act without his consent? (206 characters)

alt2... that in Zacchini v. Scripps-Howard Broadcasting Co., the U.S. Supreme Court held that the First Amendment did not immunize a television station for broadcasting a performer's act without his consent? (199 char but possible less accurate) —Mattisse (Talk) 01:40, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose either of these would do, but I really was hoping to mention the human cannonball thing--it just makes the hook more interesting. Still, these would be fine. --Eastlaw ^talk ⁄ _contribs 14:45, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

alt3 ... that in Zacchini v. Scripps-Howard Broadcasting Co., the U.S. Supreme Court held that the First Amendment did not immunize a television station for broadcasting Hugo Zacchini's human cannonball act without his consent? (218 char) —Mattisse (Talk) 15:12, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Franco-Persian alliance

... that a Franco-Persian alliance (pictured) was concluded by Napoleon in 1807 as a step to help him accomplish his objective of attacking British India?

Created by PHG (talk). Self nom at 20:18, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Capitulations of Santa Fe

... that Capitulations of Santa Fe (pictured) granted Christopher Columbus the titles of Admiral of the Ocean Sea, the Viceroy, the Governor-General and honorific Don?

Created by Brandmeister (talk). Self nom at 14:04, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Coral Gardens and their Magic

... that Bronisław Malinowski's 1935 ethnography, Coral Gardens and their Magic, describes magic spells used in Trobriand agriculture as a pragmatic component of human behaviour?

Created by Gonzonoir (talk). Self nom at 13:41, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

1985 Turkish embassy attack in Ottawa

... that the Canadian security guard Claude Brunelle, who was killed during the 1985 Turkish embassy attack in Ottawa, was awarded the Star of Courage?

Created by Chippolona (talk). Self nom at 09:57, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Check out the reference that I just added to the article. I think you will find a more interesting hook in there. Possibly a mention that by confronting them he stalled them and allowed the ambassador to escape? Jolly Ω Janner 19:38, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

... that during the 1985 Turkish embassy attack in Ottawa the action of the Canadian security guard Claude Brunelle, who was posthumously awarded the Star of Courage, delayed the assailants just long enough to allow the Ambassador to escape? Chippolona (talk) 04:55, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 10

Belgium–Mexico relations

... Charlotte of Belgium reigned as Empress of Mexico starting in 1864?

5x expanded by A Nobody (talk) and Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk). Self nom at 12:13, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dollis Valley Greenwalk

... that the Dollis Valley Greenwalk, a local long distance footpath linking the London Loop and the Capital Ring, is one of ten parks and open spaces in the London Borough of Barnet to win a £400,000 grant to improve its quality and safety?

Created by Grim23 (talk). Nominated by Simply south (talk) at 22:01, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alt... that the Dollis Valley Greenwalk, a local long distance footpath linking Barnet and the Hampstead Garden Suburb, is one of ten parks and open spaces in the London Borough of Barnet to receive a £400,000 grant to improve its quality and safety?

Is there any other fact that could be proposed? Note:Actually both Grim23 and i created the article, about half-and-half. Simply south (talk) 10:55, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

236-character hook. Awadewit (talk) 03:31, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Zach Bonner, Little Red Wagon Foundation

... that the Little Red Wagon Foundation will receive a donation of $25,000 from Elton John when Zach Bonner completes his 1,200-mile walk from Tampa, Florida, to Washington, D.C.?

Created by Cunard (talk). Self nom at 19:22, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Addendum: Zach Bonner was created by Luvoa22 (talk · contribs), and I expanded and sourced it. I created Little Red Wagon Foundation. Cunard (talk) 19:22, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The source says he "expects to receive" not he "will receive" a $25,000 donation - there is an important distinction and I'm not sure we want to have a hook about an "expectation". Awadewit (talk) 03:37, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(alt hook 1) ... that Elton John has promised to donate $25,000 to the Little Red Wagon Foundation when Zach Bonner completes his 1,200-mile-walk from Tampa, Florida, to Washington, D.C.?

(alt hook 2) ... that at the age of 8, Zach Bonner founded the Little Red Wagon Foundation to aid the 1.3 million homeless children in the United States? Cunard (talk) 16:07, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Indonesia–Papua New Guinea relations

... that Indonesia and Papua New Guinea share a 760-kilometre (470 mi) border that has raised tensions and ongoing diplomatic issues over many decades?

5x expanded by A Nobody (talk) and SatuSuro (talk). Self nom at 12:13, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Polish 1988 strikes

... that Polish 1988 strikes shook the Communist regime of Poland to such an extent, that it was forced to begin talking about recognising Solidarity? self-nom by Tymek (talk) 01:08, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wouldn't "1988 Polish strikes" be a more suitable name? Gatoclass (talk) 01:58, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I guess this sounds much better. Tymek (talk) 18:42, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Aine Lawlor

... that an unexpected Sunday broadcast on pork by Aine Lawlor was described as "a kind of a War of the Worlds moment", as death and nuclear warfare were anticipated?

(joint-nom, 5x expanded by Cargoking and --can dle •wicke 00:41, 11 June 2009 (UTC) )[reply]

Approved. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 01:33, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Is there any way that we can make the Easter egg link on "pork" more explicit? How about "Sunday broadcast on pork", "Sunday broadcast on the pork crisis" or something? Dahn (talk) 11:02, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sigh... it does take away from the hook though... :( --can dle •wicke 15:54, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The hook is so cryptic it is almost unintelligible. It needs to be reworked in my view. Gatoclass (talk) 12:58, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Suggested alt:

... that a Sunday broadcast by Irish regular weekday radio presenter Aine Lawlor was so unexpected that one commentator briefly anticipated an announcement of nuclear war? Gatoclass (talk) 13:38, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That hook is sourced to an opinion column written in a tongue-in-cheek style, not a news article. Aren't there any surprising facts about this person? - Dravecky (talk) 21:41, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't altogether happy with my suggested alt either but I was trying to maintain some connection to the original hook. But judging by your reaction I guess the hook still needs some more work... Gatoclass (talk) 01:03, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It is fact that neither she nor the show are heard on Sundays... and that this broadcast was described in this way - it might be exaggerated (then again it might not) but this still happened. --can dle •wicke 22:24, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cathal Mac Coille

... that Cathal Mac Coille ate breakfast with CNN broadcaster Larry King on Super Tuesday of 2008?

(joint-nom, new article created by Cargoking and expanded by --can dle •wicke 00:41, 11 June 2009 (UTC) )[reply]

Looks good. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 01:30, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, but yet again I see a problem with the hook here. It comes out of nowhere and it's voiced as if anybody would know who Cathal Mac Coille is - no mention of his nationality and what he does for a living, which would explain the context. Paradoxically, it does explain who Larry King is, even though I'm sure more people are bound to know that (I'm not saying we shouldn't explain that, but that we should explain both). What's more: how exactly is it automatically relevant that he had breakfast with another broadcaster? I'm sure people do that all the time, and, prima facie, this goes into a level of the trivial that we expect from tabloids. On one hand, it looks like he's supposed to be well-known; on the other, it goes into parochial info (the "I'll never wash my hand" kind). Btw, there is something more intriguing in that info, once you follow the details: I checked the source (the article doesn't go into this kind of detail); note how it mentions the incident as supposedly indicative of RTÉ's liberal bias (before you ask: I find that comment stupid, but interesting). A mention of that objection would, I guess, make for a more interesting hook, provided it's also mentioned in the article. Dahn (talk) 10:56, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sigh (again), will it hinder anyone to click? The chances are that anyone who takes the smallest bit of notice of the hook will want to find out more anyway and will have to click to do that... the rest is just speculation on your behalf ("I'm sure" yet no source for anything close to people queueing up to breakfast with Larry King on Super Tuesday?), the hook is fact. --can dle •wicke 15:59, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would also appreciate if you informed me on my talk page of problems you have with my nominations. Especially if they've been approved already. I was just passing by and found that you'd made an objection to them all after approval. --can dle •wicke 16:02, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So why is it interesting that an Irish broadcaster had breakfast with a colleague on the day of an American political primary, one of many in 2008? Is there something special about sharing a meal on Super Tuesday? Is it that he sat near Larry King while eating? I once went out for a steak dinner with the guy who played Boba Fett but I pray that something more interesting can be found to be said about me. And the hook is only tangentially about the subject—as written it appears to be more about Larry King. - Dravecky (talk) 06:01, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It is easy for Americans to dismiss Larry King as any old broadcaster but he is not accessible to Irish people every day. I'm not sure if "the guy who played Boba Fett" is on the same level as Larry King, correct me if I'm mistaken and King's article seriously needs some work to remove some of the lofty status it affords him. Super Tuesday is unnecessary so that bit may be removed. I really don't know what you guys like, dislike or value over there and thought that this was a big event and that Larry King was "one of the premier broadcast interviewers of modern times". I'm learning a lot recently... --can dle •wicke 15:25, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Larry King is a legendary interviewer, best known for his softball questions, iconic suspenders, oversized glasses, heart problems, and many divorces. He is not known for his breakfast skills, either eating or cooking. If Cathal Mac Coille had married King, designed his suspenders, or given him laser eye surgery, then the encounter would be interesting. I'm sure it was a thrill for Cathal Mac Coille to dine with Larry King but as a hook it's neither very interesting nor really about Cathal Mac Coille. - Dravecky (talk) 21:35, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I looked for an ALT hook, but couldn't find one. There doesn't seem to be that much that is "hooky" in this article. I suggest we let this one go. Awadewit (talk) 03:49, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Might there be anything hookworthy in this profile? --can dle •wicke 22:18, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

John Murray (broadcaster)

... that John Murray, presenter of Ireland's most popular radio show, once worked for the Irish government?

... that John Murray followed his wife, a journalist with The Irish Times, to China?

(joint-nom, new article created by Cargoking and expanded by --can dle •wicke 00:41, 11 June 2009 (UTC) )[reply]

Neither of these hooks is very clear. What did he do for the government? Is it so unusual for a broadcaster to have once held a government job? (It's hardly rare in the US.) What does it mean that he "followed his wife" to China? Did they defect, go on business, go on vacation, or what? It's not at all unusual for a husband to accompany his wife on a trip of almost any sort. - Dravecky (talk) 05:54, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

... that John Murray, presenter of Ireland's most popular radio show, once worked as a press secretary for the Irish government? Broadcasters and government leads me to think of George Lee; that was quite big. --can dle •wicke 15:15, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Vidyalankar Institute of Technology

... that Vidyalankar Institute of Technology won an international award for the innovative design of its building?

Created by Shravan.Iyer (talk). Self nom at 20:20, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There are a few issues here: 1) All but one of the citations are to the institute's own website; 2) The references are unformatted bare URLs; and 3) 9002/1897 = 4.75x prose expansion. Shubinator (talk) 00:43, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

References have been added from external sources and have been formatted. Shravan.Iyer (talk) 19:42, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Konrad Nielsen

... that Norwegian philologist Konrad Nielsen, known for work on the Sami languages, was a member of the Hungarian Academy of Sciences?

Created by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 10:34, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Metcalfe House, Delhi

... that in Christmas Eve party held in 1895 at the Metcalfe House, Delhi, unusual events of murder of an Englishman and a fire that ruined Metcalfe’s testimonials occurred; mystery shrouded both events?

Created by Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 09:54, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alt Hook:} ... that the second Metcalfe House, Delhi, named “Dilkhusha”, built by Sir Thomas Theophilus Metcalfe, 4th Baronet in Mehrauli as a pleasure retreat used to be rented as guest house to honeymooning couples?--Nvvchar (talk) 09:54, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

National Fresh Water Fishing Hall of Fame

... that the 143-foot (44 m) long muskie sculpture (pictured) at the National Fresh Water Fishing Hall of Fame in the United States is the world's largest muskie?

Created by Royalbroil (talk). Self nom at 04:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Technical requirements check out, but the hook is a tad misleading. Is it a real muskie? –Juliancolton | ^Talk 05:13, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT ... that the 143-foot (44 m) long muskie sculpture (pictured) at the National Fresh Water Fishing Hall of Fame in the United States is the world's largest? — Jake Wartenberg 12:03, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That would work, but I was thinking more along the lines of: ... (ALT2) that the National Fresh Water Fishing Hall of Fame is home to the world's largest muskie sculpture (pictured)? –Juliancolton | ^Talk 16:49, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Need to disam muskie to muskellunge. – ukexpat (talk) 19:22, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent comments, everyone. It's a sculpture, as you have indicated. I prefer ALT2 because its clear and concise. Thanks for the help! Royalbroil 04:08, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Again (Yui song)

... that Japanese pop rock singer Yui's "Again" has the highest opening week sales for a female act in 2009?

5x expanded by Moon-sunrise (talk). Self nom at 03:19, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good, thought it just passes the length requirement. AGF on the Japanese hook ref. — Jake Wartenberg 12:09, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I get only 1476 characters, using this. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:17, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Prosesizebytes.js has it at 1495; I think that's close enough for government work. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 18:23, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh really. The rule states: "In practice, articles longer than 1,500 characters may still be rejected as too short." And this article is even shorter than that, which is insufficient particularly considering that it is an expansion from this version, not a new creation. But I suppose we are not that choosy anymore... --BorgQueen (talk) 05:42, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I know, I just use 1500 as a guideline and I usually just accept or reject based on gut instincts. I have rejected lots of articles that were longer than 1500; it's not so often that I accept one that's shorter, but in this case I thought it "looked" long enough. If you disagree, though, I'm fine with putting it on hold until it's expanded. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 13:09, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article looks long enough because of the infobox and lists. But then again, we are having a shortage of candidates so if another reviewer thinks it is long enough, I have no problem with it. --BorgQueen (talk) 09:13, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 9

Rosella Namok

... that Indigenous Australian artist Rosella Namok gave birth to her second son on the way to submit a painting for the Wynne Prize?

Created by Hamiltonstone (talk). Self nom at 13:35, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

August Lange, Carl Johan Frederik Jakhelln

... that August Lange, Carl Jakhelln and Olav Larssen co-wrote a book about their experiences from the Sachsenhausen concentration camp during World War II?

Created by Oceanh (talk), Punkmorten (talk), . Self nom at 23:28, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gustav Aarestrup

... that Storebrand executive Gustav Aarestrup marked himself as an opponent of the Festning Tunnel and Fjellinjen?

Created by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 14:07, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Instead of "marked himself" I suggest "was known", "made himself known", or just "was". Art LaPella (talk) 01:42, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lucas Welfare Cost of Fluctuations

... that Nobel Prize Economist Robert Lucas estimated that the welfare costs of the business cycle in terms of social welfare are negligible?

Comment: There are very few economics/science/math related DYKs as most of them are on People and Places. This is an attempt to redress that to some extent. I realize that the article is somewhat technical but with some concepts that's unavoidable.

Created/expanded by Radeksz (talk). Self nom at 08:04, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The hook does not include a link to the referenced article. Cany you fix that? Cbl62 (talk) 18:54, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ooops, sorry about that.radek (talk) 22:27, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Annales laureshamenses

... that the Annales laureshamenses justify the imperial coronation of Charlemagne because at the time (800), during the reign of Empress Irene, the title Emperor was unused?

Created by Srnec (talk). Self nom at 04:39, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tom Shevlin

... that four-time All-American football end and millionaire lumberman Tom Shevlin (pictured) died of pneumonia after contracting a cold while training the Yale football team?

5x expanded by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 01:30, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Baron Vaea

... that former Prime Minister of Tonga Baron Vaea piloted PBY Catalina flying boats for the Royal New Zealand Air Force during World War II?

5x expanded by Scanlan (talk). Self nom at 14:37, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lovebugs (band)

... that three albums by the Swiss band Lovebugs has been on the top of the Swiss charter list?

5x expanded by Highest Heights (talk). Self nom at 10:13, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't get what this hook is trying to say. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 14:12, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I rewrited it. Highest Heights (talk) 14:50, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please add inline citations, especially for the hook fact. In general the article needs to be cleaned up. Shubinator (talk) 15:27, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Added a reference. Highest Heights (talk) 10:37, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You need more than one reference. The DYK rules say the article in general should use inline, cited sources. Shubinator (talk) 14:04, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, i am pretty unsure how to do when adding sources. I translated the german article and added some more info. But the german wiki does not have any references. And if the references for all text is hitparade.ch (a swiss musicsite that i have come across as a possible source) and de.wp, schould i put the same sources after every sentence again and again and again? Could someone please help me? Highest Heights (talk) 22:43, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If there's only one reliable source for the article, you need to find more. Wikis (including Wikipedia in any language) are not considered reliable sources. Shubinator (talk) 22:49, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think hitparade.ch would be a reliable source. Highest Heights (talk) 23:02, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And the same reference could be used to at least 80 % of the text. Highest Heights (talk) 23:15, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Debo Hacerlo

... that Debo Hacerlo (1988) was the last album released by Mexican singer-songwriter Juan Gabriel until 1994, due to a dispute with BMG over copyrights of his songs?

Created by Jaespinoza (talk) 02:35, 13 June 2009 (UTC). Self nom at 02:33, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Realph Norland

... that Realph Norland, father of Verdens Gang and Aftenposten chief editor Andreas Norland, was himself a newspaper editor for Tønsbergs Blad?

Created by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 14:08, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tomb of Hafez

... that a shrine in Shiraz over the tomb (pictured) of the famed Persian poet Hafez was pulled down in 1899 by protesters, because it was being built by a Zoroastrian?

Comment: This is a former redirect, turned into an article on June 9. If you prefer another picture, there are several available, both in the article and at Commons:Category:Tomb of Hafez

Created by Maedin (talk). Self nom at 22:18, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

William F. Hyland

... that William F. Hyland, while serving as Attorney General of New Jersey, performed as a clarinetist with Benny Goodman and later became executor of his estate?

Created by Offenbach (talk). Self nom at 02:25, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

La Dauphine

... that a reconstruction of Verrazzano's flagship La Dauphine is planned to sail to New York Harbor for the 500th anniversary of Verrazzano's arrival?

Created by Ekem (talk). Self nom at 19:32, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

External cardinal

... that the cardinals were not allowed to serve simultaneously as residential bishops until the pontificate of Alexander III (1159–1181)?

Created by CarlosPn (talk). Self nom at 11:53, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kohno Michisei

... that the work of Kohno Michisei (pictured) was influenced by the paintings of Albrecht Dürer, which he knew almost exclusively from books and magazines?

--> Created by AlbertHerring (talk). Self nom at 02:25, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A little thin, I know, but that's what I could do with the English-language sources; as it stands, it just squeaks by the required number of characters. Anyone fancy having a look at Japanese-language sources and padding it out a bit? I would, but I don't speak Japanese. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 02:26, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

United States House Permanent Select Committee on Aging

... that 77-year-old U.S. Representative Claude Pepper used his chairing of the United States House Permanent Select Committee on Aging to highlight the falsehoods of age stereotyping?

Created by Wasted Time R (talk). Self nom at 00:32, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fun Little Movies

... that Fun Little Movies, reported to have created the first commercial to play on a wireless handheld device in the United States, is the first U.S. company to produce comedy films to play on mobile phones worldwide?

5x expanded by MichaelQSchmidt (talk). Self nom at 23:57, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mill Colonnade

... that the Mill Colonnade (pictured) was originally reviled by critics before eventually becoming a symbol for Karlovy Vary?

Created by Bobak (talk). Self nom at 23:37, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Chrysler SERV

... that Chrysler entered a single-stage to orbit spacecraft known as SERV to fill the requirements of the Space Transportation System?

5x expanded by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 23:00, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Entered in what? A contest? This hook is confusing. Also, as a side note, there is a red ref error about halfway down the article. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 23:05, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Camber thrust

... that camber thrust contributes to the ability of bicycles and motorcycles to negotiate a turn with the same radius as automobiles but with a smaller steering angle?

Created by AndrewDressel (talk) Self nom at 20:31, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Age, le3ngth, hook ref all check out. hamiltonstone (talk) 02:00, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pathophysiology of hypertension

... that through extensive studying of the pathophysiology of hypertension, it was discovered that hypertension can be caused by genetic inheritance?

Created by Madhero88 (talk). Self nom at 16:12, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Could you consider "it was discovered that" instead? "They discovered" simply makes no sense here. Circeus (talk) 18:47, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No problem I already changed it :-) MaenK.A._Talk 23:04, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 8

Hockley Valley Provincial Nature Reserve

... that the Hockley Valley Provincial Nature Reserve in the Canadian province of Ontario supports a population of the nationally endangered Butternut?

Created by Óðinn (talk). Self nom at 22:48, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ritland crater

... that the Ritland crater is believed to be a meteoric impact crater?

Created by Oceanh (talk). Self nom at 16:07, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pedro Espada, Jr., 2009 New York State Senate Leadership Crisis

... that in a June 2009 "parliamentary coup", Democrats Hiram Monserrate and Pedro Espada, Jr. agreed to vote with Republicans, giving the minority Republicans control of the New York State Senate?

5x expanded by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 01:52, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cunt (video game)

... that players in the Flash game Cunt take control of a penis that shoots semen at an enemy vagina?

Comment: I am not making this up.

Created by Someone another (talk). Nominated by MuZemike (talk) at 00:57, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date and verified, very funny hook.--Giants27 (t|c|r|s) 01:12, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Funny, yes, but I'm not sure if it's appropriate for the main page. Tamer things have been kept off in the past. I'm not personally taking a position, but i'm going to leave a note at WT:DYK all the same, just to see what others think. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 01:38, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Remember Wikipedia isn't censored.--Giants27 (t|c|r|s) 01:58, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't need a reminder of that. This discussion has been rehashed hundreds of times and my message at WT:DYK#Appropriate for the main page? already pre-empted your "Wikipedia isn't censored" comment. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 02:00, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm with Rjanag here. Wikipedia isn't censored, fine, but we need to have common sense. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 12:23, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to suggest (if necessary) that this be placed "on hold" until the debate has played out. Bigger digger (talk) 15:05, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No need to hold it, it's clear from the discussion that consensus is against this; only 3 editors have supported it. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 00:16, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No need to hold it, it's clear from the discussion that there is no policy reason to prevent this from going ahead. Chzz ► 12:04, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely not, Chzz. There may not be a specific policy, but there is ~~massive consensus against~~ clearly no consensus for promoting it, and you are violating that by putting {{DYKtick}} here. Wikipedia works by consensus, not by blindly following policies. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 12:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The policies have been agreed through consensus - in this case, specifically, the WP:NOTCENSORED policy. If you think that a policy needs to change, or that additional constraints on the use of language are required, then we should discuss that in the appropriate places. I always abide by the consensus, and I don't believe that I have violated anything - on this page, it says, "Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it", etc. If you feel that I have acted inappropriately, then I would welcome elucidation. Chzz ► 18:36, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What does concern me is that you edited my previous comment on this page, with this edit. Chzz ► 18:47, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't edit your comment, I removed an incorrect verification tag. None of the substance of your comment was changed. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 19:07, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(ec) I actually do that a lot myself, as it avoids confusion when putting queues together.--Giants27 (t|c|r|s) 19:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The tag was certainly a part of the substance of my comment, and the assertion that it was incorrect is your opinion; I similarly consider that your 'delete' tag is incorrect - so should I remove that? Chzz ► 20:56, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fine, remove it, I don't care. It is inappropriate of you to put up a {{DYKtick}} tag when there are clearly so many people objecting to it, and you've been here long enough to know that. I'm tired of listening to this WikiLawyering and I'm done commenting here; there's not much for me to say anyway, I can just sit back and watch consensus do its thing. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 21:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Two wrongs do not make a right; therefore I will not remove it. I apologise for saying, 'should I remove that?' - it was inappropriate. I resent the accusation of Wikilawyering; I am a firm believer in the process of consensus and common sense overruling policy. Chzz ► 03:25, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I saw this mentioned elsewhere. Are any of the sources in the article reliable? They all look like blogs to me. Gimmetrow 11:54, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Damian Sims, Fred Reid (Canadian football)

... that it took Damian Sims' uncle, Korey Banks, presenting a tape to the BC Lions for a team to sign him a year after his college career ended?

5x expanded by Giants27 (talk). Self nom at 23:54, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alt1 ... that Damian Sims and Fred Reid spent a year out of football before being recommended to their current teams? Note, I've added Fred Reid (Canadian football) to this nom since I just expanded it, if this should be in the June 13th section feel free to move it.--Giants27 (t|c) 15:20, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mary Lawson (actress)

... that actress Mary Lawson married F. W. L. C. Beaumont, son of the Dame of Sark, and they died together in 1941 during the Liverpool Blitz?

Created by David Straub (talk). Self nom at 18:46, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tăng Tuyết Minh

... that Vietnamese leader Ho Chi Minh was secretly married to a Chinese woman named Tang Tuyet Minh?

Created by Kauffner (talk). Self nom at 12:28, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The marriage was hardly a secret. They were married in public with many witnesses. DHN (talk) 20:48, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion for an alternative: ... that Ho Chi Minh's marriage to Tang Tuyet Minh has never been acknowledged by the government of Vietnam? Ironholds (talk) 17:32, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Another suggestion: ... the fact that Ho Chi Minh was married to a Chinese woman named Tang Tuyet Minh is virtually unknown in Vietnam? DHN (talk) 00:34, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I can't seem to find that fact in the article :S. "virtually unknown in Vietnam" is a rather difficult thing to cite, I would have thought. Ironholds (talk) 03:17, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How about: ... that Vietnamese leader Ho Chi Minh was married to a Chinese woman named Tang Tuyet Minh? That doesn't really explain why she is significant, but it's brief and factual. Kauffner (talk) 10:18, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What's wrong with Ironholds' first suggestion, that her marriage to Ho was never acknowledged by the government? It's not cited in the article yet, but I'm sure that claim is in several of your sources, so it would be easy to cite (both in the introduction, and by adding a sentence in the final paragraph). rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 13:14, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 7

Fluxus 1

... that Fluxus 1, an artists' book produced by the Lithuanian-American artist George Maciunas, were assembled over a period of 13 years?

Created by Franciselliott (talk). Nominated by M.K (talk) at 08:33, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Elmendorph Inn

... that the Elmendorph Inn (pictured) is the oldest building in the village of Red Hook, New York?

Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 04:42, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

John W. Wescott

... that John W. Wescott initially opposed Woodrow Wilson's candidacy for Governor of New Jersey but later gave the nominating speech for Wilson at both the 1912 and 1916 Democratic National Conventions?

Created by Offenbach (talk). Self nom at 02:36, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Valley Entertainment

... that record label Valley Entertainment has claimed being blacklisted by the George W. Bush administration for releasing Lullabies from the Axis of Evil in the USA?

I have often removed a presumably accidental space before the question mark according to I8, but " ?" must have been deliberate. On my monitor, that combination removes the top of the "l" in "Evil", making it look like a dotless "i". Art LaPella (talk) 02:43, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Update: adding my comment somehow fixed the "l", but who knows what will happen on the Main Page? Art LaPella (talk) 02:46, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Y On my monitor < Lullabies from the Axis of Evil? > has the '?' displayed across the 'il', so I had it fixed with a spacer. I guess the spacer itself was displaying over the 'l' on your monitor, so I have added "in the USA". Thanks. — Ekans ^talk @ 20:01, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1:... that Valley Entertainment acquired in 2001 the prestigious back catalogue of ambient music from Hearts of Space?

Created by Ekans (talk). Self nom at 20:18, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Novus Magnificat

... that Constance Demby's 1986 album Novus Magnificat helped build the reputation of Stephen Hill's Hearts of Space Records?

ALT1:... that Constance Demby's 1986 album Novus Magnificat was called "possibly new-age music's ultimate masterpiece" by music historian Piero Scaruffi?

Created by Ekans (talk). Self nom at 16:44, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Heinz Award

... that the late Senator John Heinz had the Heinz Award, an award worth $250,000, named in his honor?

ALT1:... that the Heinz Award, an award worth $250,000, was named in honor of the late Senator John Heinz?

Created by Sophus Bie (talk). Self nom at 07:52, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like more than half of the article's prose is on the award's nomination and selection criteria. Even more unique awards like the Google Lunar X Prize just have a paragraph on how contestants are selected. Shubinator (talk) 22:40, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That is true; it's because about 75% of the information from the primary source was about the selection criteria. I suppose I could take out about a paragraph of it and still meet the character requirement. Would that fix it? Sophus Bie ^(talk) 22:47, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, consolidation would help. You could also look for more interesting facts like "among the largest individual achievement prizes". Shubinator (talk) 00:25, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've trimmed it down a little, now. Sophus Bie ^(talk) 02:39, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also, that would make a good ALT3:... that the Heinz Award, an award worth $250,000, is one of the largest individual achievement prizes in the world? Sophus Bie ^(talk) 02:55, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2:... that the Heinz Award, named in honor of the late Senator John Heinz, is worth $250,000? (This emphasizes the high dollar value of the award as the impressive aspect, rather than the origin of the name.) --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:12, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This one's good too. Sophus Bie ^(talk) 22:47, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT3:... that the Heinz Award, named in honor of the late Senator John Heinz, recognizes outstanding individuals for their contributions in one of five areas? (to explain the prize, de-emphasize the cash) - Dravecky (talk) 18:25, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Village Diner

... that the Village Diner (pictured) in Red Hook was the first diner in New York to be listed on the National Register of Historic Places?

ALT1:... that the Village Diner (pictured) in Red Hook, New York, was originally called the "Halfway Diner" because it was midway between New York and Albany on US 9?

Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 01:37, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The original hook is sourced to a historical plaque which is neither pictured nor quoted. That's more than I can AGF, in this case. The alt hook is not cited at all. What appears to be a citation is instead an unreferenced geography note. - Dravecky (talk) 18:21, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mary Wilson (broadcaster)

... that "one of Ireland's leading journalists", Mary Wilson, described Carl Bernstein's biography of Hillary Rodham Clinton (pictured) as "a complete picture of the woman who would be president"? (joint-nom, new article created by Cargoking and expanded by --can dle •wicke 01:25, 8 June 2009 (UTC) )[reply]

Most of the "personal life" section is single-sourced to a gossip column apparently interviewing the subject about pop culture likes and dislikes. It's almost pure trivia and, for one of Ireland's leading journalists, fairly insulting to include a sentence starting "Wilson has read several books". Also, the hook is not about her, just a quote about the subject of a book by a third person that she happened to be reading at that moment. Even if the trivia is not removed from the article (which it quite likely should be) surely there's something interesting about one of Ireland's leading journalists that is actually about her that can be said here. - Dravecky (talk) 05:20, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Irish Independent is not a gossip column... --can dle •wicke 16:57, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The banner across the top of the webpage says "NEWS & GOSSIP" in big, pink letters. - Dravecky (talk) 21:26, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's because it is a section within the entertainment section of a 104 year-old newspaper. Most sources I've ever used have entertainment sections like these, including The Irish Times, BBC, any of the British newspapers and I'm sure anything from the United States as well. I've often used these sources for articles and for DYK because there wouldn't be very much left if I didn't... I've just had an actress approved above on the basis of something from the entertainment section of the Sunday Tribune, an article I started with a source from the entertainment section of RTÉ... --can dle •wicke 22:35, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

... that "one of Ireland's leading journalists", Mary Wilson, received three out of five stars for her meal on The Restaurant, which included her preferred dessert of profiteroles (pictured)? --can dle •wicke 17:29, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pauline Rita

... that Pauline Rita played three roles in Gilbert and Sullivan operas in London, and starred in other operettas for Richard D'Oyly Carte, but left his company in 1878 never to return?

5x expanded by Tim riley (talk), Ssilvers (talk). Self nom at 19:16, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lenght and date ok. I see one of the article's claims are questioned in embedded cmts. Can this be resolved pls. Hook verified, though its a little underwhelming. Otherwise, the article is v good. Ceoil (talk) 21:23, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Many claims are backed by articles which have not been titled. Can you provide. Ceoil (talk) 21:26, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, I'm afraid those newspapers and journals did not title reviews in those days. Sometimes there would be a heading like "Theatres" or "At the Savoy", but Tim always puts complete information there when it's available, so there was no title. Feel free to alter the hook if you like a different aspect of the article. -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:51, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Church of St. Polyeuctus

... that the 6th-century Church of St. Polyeuctus in Constantinople (remains pictured) was deliberately planned to imitate the Temple of Solomon?

ALT1:... that the 6th-century Church of St. Polyeuctus (remains pictured) was the largest church in Constantinople before the reconstruction of the Hagia Sophia by Justinian I?
ALT2:... that the Pilastri Acritani columns (pictured), placed at the south portal of St Mark's Basilica in Venice, were looted from the 6th-century Church of St. Polyeuctus in Constantinople?

5x expanded by Cplakidas (talk). Self nom at 17:46, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

John Strange (English politician)

... that Sir John Strange trained at the same set of chambers as Lord Hardwicke, who later made him Master of the Rolls? Ironholds (talk) 13:22, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good. AGF on the hook reference. — Jake Wartenberg 02:10, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Honewort

... that Honewort, growing in the Avon Gorge near Bristol, was one of the first rare plants to be documented in Britain, by William Turner in 1562?

Created by SP-KP (talk). Self nom at 09:05, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Velocette MAC (WD)

... that the British Velocette MAC (WD) 350cc single was Velocette’s first military motorcycle for World War Two?

Created by Thruxton (talk). Self nom at 08:31, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Some sentences are uncomfortably close to the source. For example,

Article: By 1941 a more specialised version, the 350cc MAF (which stood for 'Armed Forces') was developed by Phil Irving and supplied with a strengthened frame, front fork improvements, revised cam profiles and a lower bottom gear.

Source: By 1941 a more specialised machine, the 350cc MAF (Armed Forces) was supplied with a stronger frame, front fork refinements, revised cam profiles and a lower bottom gear. Shubinator (talk) 22:45, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Blavet

... that in the Battle of Blavet in 1625 a French Huguenot fleet under Soubise (pictured) captured a Royal fleet belonging to Louis XIII, thus triggering the Second Huguenot rebellion?

Created by PHG (talk). Self nom at 07:27, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Could you mention the second Huguenot rebellion in the article? Awadewit (talk) 02:06, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Coronation Park, Delhi

... that by quirk of circumstances, the statue opposite to the obelisk is that of King George V (pictured), Emperor of India who presided here, in the Delhi Durbar held at Coronation Park, Delhi in 1911?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 05:22, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

1) This hook is quite a jumble, I could barely understand what it was trying to say. 2) What's so "quirky" about the fact that the king statue is opposite the obelisk? Maybe there's some historical irony there or something, but it's certainly not something I am aware of, and the hook doesn't provide any clues. 3) I presume "King George V" should be piped to George V of the United Kingdom? King George V is a disambiguation page. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 05:41, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Statue of King George V was earlier located under a canopy infront of India Gate during British rule and after India's independence it was removed, like many other statues of Britsh Monarchs and officials to this desolate park where the three Durbars had been held in the past. The quirky part is that the statue is located opposite to the Obelsik, which was erected at the very spot where King George V had held his Durbar in 1911. I would appreciate if you could reword the hook.Thank you.--Nvvchar (talk) 07:03, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, that just isn't really making me excited about Coronation Park. This is a big article, surely there's something else in there that would make a good hook? rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 20:58, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK. I am suggesting the following three Alternate Hooks (but in the count, the characters of 'that' , 'Pictured' and also part of dismabguation word has been excluded). I hope all hooks are within limit of 200ch.--Nvvchar (talk) 05:48, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alt 1}---that the Durbar held by King George V (pictured) at the Coronation Park, Delhi was a premeditated decision to give importance to Delhi which had glorious past history.

Alt 2} ---that in the Durbar held in 1911 at Coronation Park, Delhi, King George V (pictured) declared that Capital of India would be shifted from Calcutta to Delhi

Alt 3 }--- that in the Durbar held in 1911 by King George V (pictured) at Coronation Park, Delhi, expenses sanctioned on celebrations and army parade amounted to 900000 pounds

May I suggest this hook: "... that the Coronation Park, Delhi, which was the venue for the coronation of three British Emperors of India; has now, become a resting place for the statues of British monarchs?" --Deepak D'Souza 13:50, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that all hooks have issues with punctuation, format and even grammar. The first alt, I'm guessing, should read: "... that the Durbar held by Emperor of India George V (pictured) at the Coronation Park was a premeditated decision to give importance to Delhi's past history?" (I tuned it a bit, squeezed in more necessary links, and fixed the subjective and peacocky assertion of "glorious history"). The second: "... that in the Durbar held in 1911 at Coronation Park, Delhi, Emperor of India George V (pictured) declared that the British Raj's capital would be shifted from Calcutta to Delhi?" (that's were the links should lead). The third: "... that in the Durbar held in 1911 by Emperor of India George V (pictured) at Coronation Park, Delhi, expenses sanctioned on celebrations and army parade amounted to 900,000 pounds?" And lastly: "... that Coronation Park, Delhi, which was the venue for the coronation of three British Emperors of India, has now become a resting place for the statues of British monarchs?" (corrected the messy punctuation). Though it would be simpler and better-looking to just say: "... that Delhi's Coronation Park, where three British Emperors of India were crowned, has become a resting place for the statues of British monarchs?" Dahn (talk) 20:48, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the suggestions. While the tweaked and bolded alternative hooks suggested by User:Dahn are fine with me, the last preferred suggested has an issue since only British Monarch (King George V) held the Durbar in 1911 while the previous two Durbars were presided by then Governor Generals of India. I hope User:Rjanag likes any one of the three suggested now.--Nvvchar (talk) 08:49, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(out) References and expansion check out, but I am only verifying this conditionally for now: the article is still sorely in need of a copyedit, mainly to correct improper capitalization and awkward English. Please find an editor willing to do a full copyedit. I know normally we do not need to require DYKs to be "mini-GAs", but if the problems are serious enough I do like to require a full copyedit before promoting. Also, I should mention that the article is pretty disorganized and confusing (it took me 10 minutes of searching just to find explicit mention of what the Durbar was for and that it celebrated the shifting of the capital...also, there seem to be multiple Durbars that took place throughout history, and you don't distinguish well between them, so it's difficult to always know which one you're talking about); the History section seems to jump around the timeline, and in particular the first paragraph of it is more analysis than history. That is not a problem for DYK, but in the future I strongly recomment that you work on cleaning up the organization of the article and making it flow more coherently.
Because so many similar hooks have been proposed, and all have needed to be copyedited, I am going to choose right now which hook to use, and what form it should be in:

FINAL: ... that Delhi's Coronation Park was the site of the 1911 Durbar that marked the shifting of the capital of India from Calcutta to Delhi?

Finally, I believe Ekabhishek also deserves some credit for the work he did on the article just before your main expansion, and have added him to the credits. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 13:58, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

~~That final suggestion links "Delhi" twice (WP:OVERLINK). Might I suggest delinking the second, or dropping it altogether (i.e.: "from Calcutta -full stop")?~~ Fixed. Dahn (talk) 15:19, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oops; I thought I had delinked the second, guess I missed it. I decided not to drop it because, when dropped, it's not quite clear where the capital was shifted to (you can assume Delhi, but you can't be sure). I couldn't think of any better rewording that avoids saying Delhi twice. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 15:21, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. And I should add that I fully agree with your comments on the article. Dahn (talk) 15:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Copy editing in line with the reviewers comments above has been completed with excellent editing inputs by Sadads. Sadadas may also please be added to the credits. Thanks.--Nvvchar (talk) 14:01, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 6

Five wits

... that in Medieval times it was commonly believed that there were five "outward" wits (i.e. the five senses) as well as five "inward" wits?

5x expanded by Uncle G (talk). Nominated by ThaddeusB (talk) at 19:20, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Saved from AfD and massively expanded by Uncle G. --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:20, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The hook says medieval and the article says "during the times of Shakespeare" - which is it? Awadewit (talk) 01:57, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Undulus asperatus

... that Undulus asperatus is the first new proposed cloud type in over 50 years?

Created by Wikidemon (talk). Nominated by Runningonbrains (talk) at 20:27, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

1373 characters of prose. Please expand to at least 1500. Shubinator (talk) 01:01, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

now at 1558 characters, source checks out. Wizardman 01:21, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Papal selection before 1059

... that Fabian was selected as pope because a dove landed on him?

Created by Savidan (talk). Self nom at 15:43, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Offline source accepted in good faith.--Giants27 (t|c) 14:05, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Er, I think the hook needs rewording. The article itself says this is according to legend. Also, the article relies entirely on a single source. Shubinator (talk) 14:34, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Here's an alt: ... that according to legend Fabian was selected as pope because a dove landed on him? While I'm not sure how I missed the single source thing, but I agree that needs fixing.--Giants27 (t|c) 14:44, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kája Saudek

... that the painter and illustrator Kája Saudek is one of the most important exponents of Czech comics?

Created by Vejvančický (talk). Self nom at 08:28, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that during World War II the Czech comics illustrator Kája Saudek was imprisoned in a German concentration camp? --Vejvančický (talk) 16:22, 15 June 2009 (UTC) (I'm not absolutely sure with syntax...) --Vejvančický (talk) 16:22, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The alt hook has a more hooky feel. All checks out otherwise - hook ref AGF. hamiltonstone (talk) 01:39, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Herman "Wimpy" Jones

... that during the 1950s, Louisiana State Senator Herman "Wimpy" Jones advocated voting by eighteen-year-olds long before ratification of the 26th Amendment? status=new

Created/expanded by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:20, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

~~Looks good. AGF on the offline ref. — Jake Wartenberg 01:49, 17 June 2009 (UTC)~~[reply]

On second thought, this is almost entirely sourced to an article from a paper written during the time while the guy was alive, half a century ago. This falls a bit close to OR. Could we see another reliable reference or two? — Jake Wartenberg 01:56, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

E.D. Gleason

... that E.D. Gleason, a member of the Louisiana House of Representatives during the 1950s proposed a one-cent state sales tax earmarked for public school teacher salaries?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 14:47, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Age, length OK, hook ref AGF. hamiltonstone (talk) 01:19, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Makinti Napanangka

... that when Kintore Indigenous Australian artist Makinti Napanangka won the National Aboriginal & Torres Strait Islander Art Award in 2008, she was too frail to attend the ceremony?

Created by Hamiltonstone (talk). Self nom at 12:39, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The source says due to her "age and family circumstances" - it doesn't say anything about frailty. Awadewit (talk) 01:49, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough; another source mentioned her age, and I interpreted it as frailty.
ALT1: ...that when Kintore Indigenous Australian artist Makinti Napanangka won the National Aboriginal & Torres Strait Islander Art Award in 2008, her age and family circumstances prevented her from attend the ceremony?

...but personally, i think this may sound a bit boring. Will have further thoughts.hamiltonstone (talk) 02:12, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

St. Paul's (Zion's) Evangelical Lutheran Church

... that St. Paul's (Zion's) Evangelical Lutheran Church (pictured) in Red Hook, New York, converted to Lutheranism from the German Reformed Church when they could not find a new pastor?

Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 05:55, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Can we see more than one reference? — Jake Wartenberg 01:41, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rachael English

... that Rachael English was involved in an on-air disagreement over the spelling and meaning of the word "homogeneity" when she presented Five Seven Live? (joint-nom, new article created by Cargoking and expanded by --can dle •wicke 00:40, 7 June 2009 (UTC) )[reply]

First, the article says the word in question was "homogeneous". Second, the articles does not state that she was involved in "an on-air disagreement" of any sort, merely that during the time that she was hosting the show that an author questioned the accuracy of a newspaper over the spelling of "homogeneous" versus "homogenous". So the hook is wrong on several points and cannot possibly pass as written. Indeed, that whole section about the spelling incident might belong in the show's article but not her biography, as it is written and referenced. - Dravecky (talk) 05:11, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

... that, as host of Five Seven Live, Rachael English encountered an author who questioned the accuracy of The Irish Times? --can dle •wicke 18:15, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Again, that whole section of text might belong in the show's article but not in her biography. It feels wedged in just to provide this hook. Also, it's still not about her. "Talk show host had guest on talk show" is not surprising and if this is the most interesting or most controversial guest she ever had on the air, wow. I find that no better than 1 in 4 of the radio articles I create, even the B-class or better ones, are worthy of DYK nomination. If there's nothing to say about her then perhaps this article doesn't need to go on DYK. - Dravecky (talk) 21:22, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2: ... that Rachael English, presenter of the Irish radio news programme Five Seven Live, was joined on the show by her father, who provided Cheltenham horse racing tips for her listeners?--Arxiloxos (talk) 21:29, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I like it! Thanks! :) --can dle •wicke 22:10, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, history, and source verified for ALT2. However, I agree with Dravecky that this article is rather unbalanced and that some of these incidents may not belong in this article at all. Awadewit (talk) 01:43, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of festivals in Nepal

... that during the Tihar festival in Nepal, cows are celebrated due to the Hindu belief that they are surrogate mothers to the human race by providing milk?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 15:07, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

passes, but I worry that the hook doesn't really reflect the article itself. Can anyone more experienced than myself comment on whether this is normally appropriate? Ironholds (talk) 22:12, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Odd question. The article is about a diversity of festivals celebrated in Nepal. Each festival is different so I don't know what you mean about not reflecting the article. It is a fact from a festival which is covered in the article. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 16:02, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's covered, but it isn't the subject. It would be like me writing a hook on Privity in English law for the article on English contract law - yes, it's covered in the article, but it isn't the subject. Ironholds (talk) 00:10, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 5

Global Forum for Health Research

... that the Global Forum for Health Research identified the 10/90 gap: just 10% of medical research spending is on 90% of existing health problems?

Comment: Been distracted by real life, just logging this one before the bell. I plan to whip 10/90 gap into shape as well so would be grateful if this could hang around for a couple of days. Ta! I'll also have a think about the wording of the hook - there's an interesting fact to properly tease out...

Created by Bigger digger (talk). Self nom at 22:05, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is the converse also true? To me, "90% of medical research spending is applicable to diseases that constitute only 10% of existing health problems" is a bit more striking than saying it the other way around (which I had to think for a moment to wrap my head around). rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 22:09, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, it's essentially saying that the developed world sees 90% of health research funding whilst the rest of the world is left with 10%. Too tired to do anymore thinking about this today, but will try again tomorrow. Feel free to improve 10/90 gap, I stuck a load of sources in the talk... ;-) Bigger digger (talk) 22:14, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This is a good start! Bigger digger (talk) 22:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Age, length, hook ref OK. I can see why reversing the way it is expressed might be more 'hooky', but the hook reflects the way it was expressed in the source. I'll leave it to toerhs to work out whether it warrants a tweak or not, but it could go ahead as is. hamiltonstone (talk) 01:27, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 4

Bacon, egg and cheese sandwich

... that the Egg McMuffin, Sourdough Bacon, Egg & Swiss, and Croissan’wich with Bacon, Egg & Cheese are variants of the Bacon, egg and cheese sandwich offered by McDonalds, Arby’s, and Burger King respectively?

Created by Jack Merridew (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 09:57, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Currently at AfD but seems to have been rescued and has since been getting some keeps. --can dle •wicke 18:17, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The hook is somewhat awkwardly written and needs to be cleaned up. I would suggest just dropping the restaurant names and going with

ALT1: ... that the Egg McMuffin; Sourdough Bacon, Egg & Swiss; and Croissan’wich with Bacon, Egg & Cheese are all variants of the Bacon, egg and cheese sandwich? rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 19:28, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also, you've got a {{globalize}} tag. Shubinator (talk) 00:24, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Er, yeah, although I think the tag has merit I suspect a recipe with bacon is not going to feature in many parts of the world. I'll see what I can do. Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:05, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

AfD closed as keep. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 08:59, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This article seems to be an assemblage of trivia, not really a coherent article of any kind. Awadewit (talk) 03:12, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 3

Mack Supronowicz

... that a New York newspaper called University of Michigan forward Mack "Soup" Supronowicz "the greatest cage prospect in college history"?
- ... that in 1947, University of Michigan basketballer Mack "Soup" Supronowicz was hailed as "the greatest cage prospect in college history"? Stevage 03:15, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 23:37, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Googling shows that "basketballer" is mostly Australian English, and "Michigan basketball player" out-Googles "Michigan basketballer" by 2590 to 8. Art LaPella (talk) 00:58, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also, superlatives heaped upon a prospect are not unusual. How did he not bear that out? Daniel Case (talk) 16:38, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, he did turn out to be a terrific player (MVP of the Big Ten Conference in 1948) and has been inducted into the Univ. Mich. Hall of Honor. Pro basketball wasn't as desirable a career path in the 1940s as it later became, and college players from the 1940s typically aren't household names. That's why "Soup" Supronowicz deserves a little love by being featured on DYK. Cbl62 (talk) 00:26, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps we could list his achievements in the hook instead? I have no idea what "cage prospect" means. Awadewit (talk) 01:46, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Either way is fine, but a "cage prospect" means a basketball player with great potential. Cbl62 (talk) 06:19, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1... that Mack "Soup" Supronowicz was MVP of the Big Ten in 1948 and inducted into the University of Michigan's Hall of Honor? Awadewit (talk) 03:05, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2... that "Soup" Supronowicz, once hailed as "the greatest cage prospect in college history", was MVP of the Big Ten in 1948? Cbl62 (talk) 15:37, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I can't find the MVP of the Big Ten in 1948 fact in the article. Awadewit (talk) 01:21, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Meaning of Life (TV series)

1... that Sinéad O'Connor spent "a lovely morning" with Gay Byrne in January 2009?

2... that Neil Jordan had a stormy encounter with his dead father on an aeroplane? (new article, self-nom) --can dle •wicke 14:30, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

- Why such cryptic hooks? Stevage 03:18, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

These are both rather oblique. Otto4711 (talk) 19:31, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mean the hooks themselves or is it just a matter of including the TV series. DYK is supposed to attract the reader's attention and leave them hungry for more... --can dle •wicke 02:49, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DYK hooks should ideally feature the name of the article's subject. How about this:
Alt hook ... that the television show The Meaning of Life has featured such prominent Irish citizens as Colin Farrell, Maeve Binchy, and Neil Jordan? -RunningOnBrains^{(talk page)} 07:14, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Of course that just makes it rather boring and non-DYKish... that Neil Jordan spoke of his stormy encounter with his dead father on an aeroplane on The Meaning of Life? --can dle •wicke 10:22, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I like yours a lot better :-D -RunningOnBrains^{(talk page)} 17:51, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If we start linking generic stuff such as death and fixed-wing aircraft, we might as well link every word. "that Neil Jordan spoke of his stormy encounter with his dead father on an aeroplane on The Meaning of Life?"... But anyway, in this case I think the hook could be improved by somehow avoiding the "on... on..." structure and at least specifying who Neil Jordan is - profession and perhaps nationality. This hook reads like it was written for savvy Dubliners, and I'm a rather bland Bucharester. Dahn (talk) 02:19, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not a "savvy Dubliner" but again I apologise for my ignorance. Having previously thought Desperate Housewives was a well-known TV show internationally, I have to admit I thought the same of Jordan. But it isn't too much to add "director" (although those who are curious can click to find out who he is anyway) and the links can be decided/removed by those who post it if they find them to be too much. --can dle •wicke 15:51, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm concerned that the episode descriptions are such close paraphrases of those presented in the source. I would suggest Candlewicke look for additional sources to both flesh out these descriptions and revise these sections, so that the writing is not so close to the source. Perhaps in so doing, we can find a better hook as well. Awadewit (talk) 01:30, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Special occasion holding area

Note: Articles nominated for a special occasion should be nominated within five days of creation or expansion as usual (with the exception of April Fools'). Also, articles should be nominated at least five days before the occasion to give reviewers time to check the nomination.

Articles created/expanded for the anniversary of the Stonewall riots (June 28)

List of pre-Stonewall LGBT actions in the United States

... that although the Stonewall riots in 1969 are generally recognized as the beginning of the modern gay liberation movement, there were over a dozen pre-Stonewall LGBT rights actions in the US?

Created by Otto4711 (talk). Self nom at 19:48, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If this is accepted, I would like it held until June 28. The featured article for that day is going to be Stonewall riots and I'd like to have this article appear on the same day. Otto4711 (talk) 19:48, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'll accept the offline sources in good faith. The number of pre-Stonewall LGBT actions as described in the hook checks out (I could count 14), and the length looks good. I'll keep this tick up so someone can verify my check. I also think it should be held for June 28 as a double-feature. Hurricane Angel Saki (talk) 23:04, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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