Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brett Jon Salisbury

Brett Jon Salisbury

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. —Sailsbystars (talk) 01:23, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

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Article about possibly barely notable college athlete that is pure puffery and spam about his current business. While citations are provided, they do not resolve as useful references Esprqii (talk) 16:49, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Articles are absolute and are not puffery. The Consumer Digest Report proves it. Also the guy was Ex Communicated from LDS church. How is this puffery? The references are from every college attended. He was also the starting quarterback the university of oregon which qualifies him as a starting quarterback. The person also has a book that is published for heath and wellness. Do not remove. KEEP. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.160.209.194 (talk) 17:21, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Comment: The Wayne State links are broken. The consumer digest report website looks like a promo website for the book. The only link that works shows he was the 72nd best high school athlete from North San Diego County. Looks like he played, or maybe even started, a game or two for the Ducks in 1991 before Danny O'Neil took over and Salisbury transferred. All the business about his NFL Europe career and modeling career are completely uncited. This article has been created and deleted before. --Esprqii (talk) 17:34, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Comment: see also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brett Salisbury. --Esprqii (talk) 16:52, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Comment: The Wayne State links are no longer broken. The consumer digest report has been around since 1971. Don Clayton is a Editor in Chief and is a Berekely graduate with no agenda. Salisbury was an excommunicated BYU mormon who started 5 games for the Oregon Ducks. He was hurt and transferred at the end of the year to Wayne state college where holds 10 Divison II NCAA records. He played in the same league as Kevin Craft plays in now. If you google brett salisbury the pics of him in GQ are solidified. When Esprqii explains that Salisbury only started 1 or 2 games is not true as proven with the new links below. It also states that salisbury EFAF is an affiliate of NFL europe. Article doesn't state he played in NFL europe. The facts that salisbury started 5 games for the oregon ducks and he is an author of the transform diet which finished 6th last year with publishing company indeed qualifies him as notable. The reason as I check salisbury was deleted was the fact that nobody proved he was a football player in college and his book was still not published at the time. Both of which now are proven. I have been a season ducks fan for over 30 years. Salisbury was hyped up to be the next NFL great. He didn't make as we had all hoped at oregon but he did start the last five games after a ruptured hernia. but he did start five games. Thank you again all links below work are based on facts. OregonDucksFan57 (talk) 18:26, 24 September 2010 (UTC)OregonDucksFan57

Reply: You say that the Consumer Digest Report has been around since 1971, but there is no evidence of that. Certainly in that time, the website has not hired an editor, and suspiciously, of the "top 10 diet books of 2011" the first 9 receive brief reviews and #1 gets a glowing endorsement, and the fewest typos. Not only that but book #2 tells you that you should really read book #1. I can't find anything to establish that Consumer Digest Report is what you say it is. Moreover, Salisbury started just one game for the Ducks and didn't do such a hot job. He did play in five games though. He may well be notable enough for Wikipedia as a football player, but the article as written seems as if it were written to promote his book, much like the Consumer Digest Report website. --Esprqii (talk) 18:34, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Comment: Whois shows that consumerdigestreport.com is registered to hitfarm.com and provides no contact info. hitfarm.com looks like a spam or seo domain provider. Sailsbystars (talk) 00:18, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

I only can say what I read. Under Better Business Bureau the consumer digest report has been around since 1971. It may have been a publication like all others as a newspaper. I read the consumer digest report. Number one should get a glowing review should it not? However this isnt the concern either. Salisbury Did for a fact start against UCLA, Cal Berkely, Oregon State, New Mexico State and came in off the bench against USC to do a good job. Book finished number 6 and number 1 diet book as stated. Again, the fact that he has a published book and is a notable figure as a quarterback in college you have to keep. I would ask you to help in this cause. I don't find anywhere that promotes the book, only an opinion of what other people believe. I like that we both can help make wikipedia stronger. I think we have solved this and I would ask you to remove from delete as you admitted and see that he is notable based on your own admission that he is a start collegiate player at all levels. Thanks again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by OregonDucksFan57 (talk • contribs) 18:43, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Once again I see an error Esprqil. I am just stating the facts. The article you refer to salisbury's only start was an article written before the UCLA game. This is the second game where salisbury starts against Tommy Madox at UCLA. He still had 3 games after this article where he starts. You must read the entire artice to keep all facts straight. Again Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by OregonDucksFan57 (talk • contribs) 18:47, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for removing from speedy deletion Esprqil. I believe that is fair and truly just. A lot of time has been spent on this guy as I have now seen from the past. I hope you now can make a case that he is notable. I will try myself now to re write from an unbiased source. I look and read the article and it is very unbiased. I again appreciate you bringing this to light and will make us all a better source finder. —Preceding unsigned comment added by OregonDucksFan57 (talk • contribs) 18:52, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

OK, it looks like he started three games in 1991: Cal, UCLA, and Oregon State, and then left for Division II. Oh, and it wasn't me who removed it from speedy deletion. I think this is the right process and we need to let others weigh in. While I have written many articles about college football players, I have never tried to pump them up like this article, which looks more like someone trying to sell his book. Really, stuff like having a .408 batting average in high school and being the 72nd best high school athlete in San Diego doesn't establish notability, nor, sadly, does the Helsinki Giants career. Minor league NFL teams don't cut it to establish notability. That's not to say they couldn't be in the article, but so far, the best claim to fame is the Oregon and Wayne State career. I'd refocus the article on that. Convert the external links in the article to actual citations so we know what is being cited. Tone down the high school batting average (uncited) and the modeling career (uncited). Why not mention that he is the brother of Sean Salisbury? Find another citation for why the book is so great. It seems much more like someone trying to push his own book than a neutral, encyclopedic article.

Let's see what others say. --Esprqii (talk) 19:16, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Makes complete sense. Thank you. On just a side note. The Internatally acclaimed Radio Talk show host Sallie Felton is a great source that proves all these sources. Look into Sean Salisbury, his brother. Where are the sources that cite his batting average, etc? I found all the sources on google under news with a filter that takes off time restraints. Over 7000 of those, including his batting average and entire college career. What's even more interesting is that Kevin Craft was coached by Brett as a youngster which Craft now plays in the same league as Salisbury did years ago. I guess as we dig further there is a paper trail that leads to notable. Again, Thank you for the advice, I will do my best to research and add. Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.160.209.194 (talk) 20:03, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

• Delete Per WP:ATHLETE. Only sources about athletic career cited in article are trivial mentions of stats. External links section is out of control and borders on advertising. Sailsbystars (talk) 00:13, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
  • Keep The sources are not trivial. They needed to be stated indepth due to Esprqli wanting to see the results. If you look at the external links now, half the sources are about modeling career and transform diet book. The article written states salisbury was excommunicated and his play at oregon was "less than par" I find it hard to believe this is advertising. It infact humiliates Salisbury and how why he wrote the health and wellness book. His division II stats are still untouched in Division II play. OregonDucksFan57 (talk) 00:33, 25 September 2010 (UTC)OregonDucksFan57 — OregonDucksFan57 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Reply Please read WP:Athlete and WP:RS. Per WP:Athlete for college athletes, the minimum standard here is "Gained national media attention as an individual, not just as a player for a notable team." A single 300 word article in a local paper doesn't count. Sailsbystars (talk) 00:47, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Instead of the ambush? why not correct the wikipedia notable person and make it clean? Now that we know who Salisbury is, take the external links and use the sources to clean it up? The wikipedia experts can easily help re write this if needs be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.160.209.194 (talk) 00:43, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Comment None of the sources meet reliable sourcing guidelines that also establish notability. Since the subject is not notable, no need to bother to clean up. Sailsbystars (talk) 00:50, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Comment I am laughing outloud. How is the person not notable? That is funny. Started as a division I quarterback, is a published author who's book was number 6 last year, and was a top male model with over 50 radio shows last year alone. I suppose his brother Sean is not notable either? LOL 65.160.209.194 (talk) 00:56, 25 September 2010 (UTC)The Hot Spot

Question, How is Kevin Craft any more notable? Seriously? I think you pick and choose your battles. a little help Esprqii? You even now admit that Salisbury is notable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.160.209.194 (talk) 00:59, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

• Keep and somebody please re-write this thing! I hate to break it to the naysayers, but this subject is obviously notable for the widespread coverage achieved from the book. That said, in my opinion his participation and coverage from being an NCAA athlete would probably be enough to meet the general notability guideline. There is the manner of the style of the article--it's poorly written and is more of an advertisment than anything else. If that is not promptly changed, then we'll need to delete it or blank it or something until it can be re-tooled to be an effective and appropriate article. But the article itself needs to stay--the content just needs re-worked.--Paul McDonald (talk) 03:58, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

• Questions: How does this article meet wikipedia's college athlete criteria? According to that page the lowest standard for a college athlete is "Gained national media attention as an individual, not just as a player for a notable team" and I'm just not seeing that sort of coverage here. As for the General Notability regarding the book, the only coverage has been on radio shows which are themselves non-notable (which is kinda how I see the definition of a reliable source, the source for notability itself should be notable) and a website that my technical analysis shows to be advertisement, not a reliable 3rd party source (consumerdigestreport.com). I'm not trying to be critical, I'm relatively new to AfD (and wikipedia) and trying to learn. Sailsbystars (talk) 14:54, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Content was reworked. I believe it flows better and now sounds unbiased. 65.160.209.194 (talk) 04:20, 25 September 2010 (UTC)Wife of Oregon Ducks Fan 57 (My husband is now 58 but has trouble seeing) Directed to Salisbystars: 1. Her STARTED 5 games in the pac-10, played a tremendous game against University of Southern California On ESPN. Was being touted after game as a possible heisman candidate. He played against UCLA on ABC nationally televised game that he almost pulled out at end of game. Again, touted highly. He plays very mediocore as did Kevin Craft who you still have up and no problems with his performance? Craft maybe the worse Junior College all american quarterback to start at UCLA. Salisbury was the national passing champion, 1st team all american at 2 different colleges. He was nominated for the Harlon Hill and took runner up. Harlan hill is division II verison of the heisman trophy. Still holds 10 NCAA records including 377 yards per game. Now the book. The book finished last year number 6 on the bestseller list. Again last year, the book FINISHED 6TH ON THE BEST SELLER LIST! forget consumer digest report, the guy has a published book that was a best seller and is project to go number one this year with the revision. Why are you after this guy so bad? The modeling career...He is a top male model in the World. Modelwatch.com listed him as the top 50 models in the 90's. He has played in two movies as an actor. He is one of only 6 authors to ever come out with a line of powder, bars etc in the World after writing a book. From football to being an author for health a wellness he is more than notable. By the way, his brother happens to be Sean Salisbury. So what are you talking about Sailsbystars? Seriously? What is your grudge? Let it go. Again do me a favor and answer me this question. Why is Kevin Craft who had no college career hardly at UCLA even on wikipedia? why? answer me that. Salisbury is considered the top 5 nutritonist according to the October issue of Fitness magazine. Come on Sailsbystars...You need a better angle. You are new and it shows. Top model, author and starting college football player who was an all american a palomar college then at wayne state and almost won harlon hill, the played in same league as craft EFAF. This is a no brainer. Why fight it? As for the Consumer Digest report, is a subsidary of Consumer Digest. They have been around since the 1950's. Do your homework. Go look at all the college players on wikipedia, it's not even an argument. Let it go. Thanks 65.160.209.194 (talk) 19:15, 25 September 2010 (UTC)College Football analyst