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== RM [[Milan Jurcina]] ==
Hi Dolovis:&nbsp; First, congratulations&thinsp;/&thinsp;thanks re: the [[Marek Zidlicky]] RM.&nbsp; I take it success in these requests is rare of late; always nice to see the right outcome happen.<br />I recently came across the RM for Milan Jurcina; but I just wanted to give you a quick heads up before I posted there.&nbsp; In doing a quick check and gathering some facts before posting, I noticed that, as with Zidlicky, all English (and several foreign) press dropped the diacritics; however, in checking the book references, I found that, of the 18 publications with Jurcina, a single English reference listed him as Milan Jurčina in relation to the 2006 Turin Olypics.&nbsp; Since I do, as I trust you and most of the others seeking to drop incorrect diacritics, want Wikipedia to be ''correct'', the question then becomes what's correct?&nbsp; And I believe that (generally) English country resident&thinsp;/&thinsp;citizens have the diacritics (properly) dropped by default in our culture.&nbsp; That said, were it apparent that Zidlicky wanted his name spelled with, and typically spelled his name with diacritics, I'd consider it to be more a question of treating him with simple respect to spell his name according to his wishes (not to be confused with the apparent desire of some to use them even when they aren't appropriate [such as [[Zidlicky]] & [[Jaromir Jagr|Jágr]], as well as [[Tomáš Vokoun]] whom I'll be searching for info on, and likely RM'g, shortly]).&nbsp; And while I do agree that the title of Jurcina's article should be the most common English spelling (without diacritics), I also think that, given that his name is listed as Milan Jurčina in this single reference, that spelling of his name should be clearly mentioned in the body of his article.&nbsp; But given what I understand to be the historical outcome of these RMs, I'm sure my mention of any source with diacritics will just make it that much tougher; so I just wanted to make sure you understood that I have no desire to sandbag this RM or the cleaning up of all these ''mistitled'' articles.&nbsp; Anyways, I'll post on [[Talk:Milan Jurčina|Jurcina's talk page]] a little later, but I wanted you to have a heads-up first.&nbsp; Cheers til I see you out there again.&nbsp;— <span class="vcard"><span class="fn nickname">[[User:Who R you?|<span style="white-space:nowrap;">Who R you?</span>]]</span>&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Who R you?|Talk]]</small></span> 22:14, 28 October 2011 (UTC)<br /> {{resize|(P.S. I posted a big-assed note on my otherwise relatively blank User page to notify of these diacritic related issues, since I wouldn't want to WP:CANVASS again; I've updated it right now with Jurcina's link and, should I find or nominate any others, I'll add them there; should you decide to do the same on your page, great, once I spot it I'll start watching your user page; or alternatively, feel free to update that section of my userpage should you come across any that I don't seem to know about.)}}

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Hi there! This is my talk page, and I do hope that you will leave me a pleasant message to help make my day a bit brighter. I am open to hearing your constructive comments concerning my editing, but like all humans on this planet, I am more likely to take your comments to heart if they are written in a civil and polite tone. If you have come here to harass or bait me, please don't. If I do not want to respond to your message I won't. Don't take it personally. This is my talk page, so I will choose which discussions will continue, and which discussions will not. If you have been asked to stay off my talk page, then I ask that you respect my right to do so, and to refrain from posting your comments here. On a similar note, please don't censor my talk page. Just because you don't support what someone is saying is no reason to remove it. However, if it is clear and obvious vandalism, then please feel free to do it. That's not censorship, that's a neighbour looking out for its community, and I thank you for taking it on. A non-abusive heads-up on the antics of the contributor would still be appreciated, and even then, it may be better to just leave me to clean up my own page. You take care now, y'hear? Dolovis (talk) 04:37, 3 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Won't lie, I see no value in redirects such as this. I have started a discussion at RfD on it here Resolute 00:33, 15 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion declined: Wikipedia:DGUIDE

Hello Dolovis. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Wikipedia:DGUIDE, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: R2 only applies to redirects from mainspace. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 23:24, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

RMs on article names

Keep up with the RMs, Dolovis. Even if you do end up getting barred or blocked by the pro-diacritics crowd, atleast you didn't cave in to their 'mother country pride' PoV. GoodDay (talk) 15:19, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Why on Earth would I be barred or blocked when I am following following established wiki-policy and protocol? I have been told numerous times that RM is the proper way to open a discussion for an article move. It appears to me that there is a double standard. I wish other editors would also use RM for controversial moves. Dolovis (talk) 15:24, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, you shouldn't be barred or blocked. But the pro-dios crowd have had a majority control for quite a few years & will fight tooth & nail to keep that control. GoodDay (talk) 15:40, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It is in no way a majority; just a very vocal and militant minority, several of whom abuse and misrepresent wiki-policy, to further their POV goal. Dolovis (talk) 15:50, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
They are a stubborn group. GoodDay (talk) 16:03, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, Dolovis. You have new messages at WhiteWriter's talk page.
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WhiteWriter speaks 21:20, 25 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Dolovis:  First, congratulations / thanks re: the Marek Zidlicky RM.  I take it success in these requests is rare of late; always nice to see the right outcome happen.
I recently came across the RM for Milan Jurcina; but I just wanted to give you a quick heads up before I posted there.  In doing a quick check and gathering some facts before posting, I noticed that, as with Zidlicky, all English (and several foreign) press dropped the diacritics; however, in checking the book references, I found that, of the 18 publications with Jurcina, a single English reference listed him as Milan Jurčina in relation to the 2006 Turin Olypics.  Since I do, as I trust you and most of the others seeking to drop incorrect diacritics, want Wikipedia to be correct, the question then becomes what's correct?  And I believe that (generally) English country resident / citizens have the diacritics (properly) dropped by default in our culture.  That said, were it apparent that Zidlicky wanted his name spelled with, and typically spelled his name with diacritics, I'd consider it to be more a question of treating him with simple respect to spell his name according to his wishes (not to be confused with the apparent desire of some to use them even when they aren't appropriate [such as Zidlicky & Jágr, as well as Tomáš Vokoun whom I'll be searching for info on, and likely RM'g, shortly]).  And while I do agree that the title of Jurcina's article should be the most common English spelling (without diacritics), I also think that, given that his name is listed as Milan Jurčina in this single reference, that spelling of his name should be clearly mentioned in the body of his article.  But given what I understand to be the historical outcome of these RMs, I'm sure my mention of any source with diacritics will just make it that much tougher; so I just wanted to make sure you understood that I have no desire to sandbag this RM or the cleaning up of all these mistitled articles.  Anyways, I'll post on Jurcina's talk page a little later, but I wanted you to have a heads-up first.  Cheers til I see you out there again. — Who R you? Talk 22:14, 28 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
(P.S. I posted a big-assed note on my otherwise relatively blank User page to notify of these diacritic related issues, since I wouldn't want to WP:CANVASS again; I've updated it right now with Jurcina's link and, should I find or nominate any others, I'll add them there; should you decide to do the same on your page, great, once I spot it I'll start watching your user page; or alternatively, feel free to update that section of my userpage should you come across any that I don't seem to know about.)